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What are your thoughts on the Wikileaks files? Where do you think this will take us the U.S. Government? How will it impact our friends and enemies?

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AlwaysOn:

The same thing happened after the resurrection. The Apostles proclaimed that Jesus had risen from the dead. If it weren't true, the Pharisees had a ridiculously easy way to refute them - just produce the body. But instead, they tried every trick in the book to try to suppress the message.

If someone makes an accusation, and the accused says "You're wrong, and here's why", the accusation is probably false. But if the accused says "SHUT UP!", the accusation is probably true.

It is reminiscent of the case in Boston where a man brought a video tape to the police showing police brutality. Did they fix the brutality? No. They arrested him for videotaping the police!
---StrongAxe on 12/15/10


\\Wikileak is now revealing the Pope's interference in sexual abuse cases which will further harm the Roman Church.\\

Consider the source, leej.
---Cluny on 12/15/10


Do real Christians recommend murder and assassination (that is, lying in wait to kill), Jim? I don't think so.

Those who take up sniping shall die by sniping. Didn't Jesus Himself say something like that?
---Cluny on 12/6/10

Luke 22:36
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Some buy the sword and protect the fearful/confused while they run or hide/cower.

The shepherd David...had a pocket rope rifle with blessed bullets.

The traitor infidel bin laden, came against us.... justice seeks him and will find him in this life or next.
---Trav on 12/15/10


StrongAxle //Revealing someone's evil doesn't harm him.

In the case of Wikileaks revealing that the Roman pope tried to strife the investigation into sexual abuse by priests simply increasing their lack of credibility.

It is sad, but the Roman Church is not the only denomination that has problems with what most view as basic morality, but an elderly SDA woman once told me that it is all a sign of the times. I think she was correct.
---leej on 12/15/10


Also, Cluny, the reactions to the leaks, thus far, lead me to believe they're authentic. No denials, yet a whole lot of suggestions on how to silence him. Doesn't sound like they've been fabricated.
---AlwaysOn on 12/15/10




I am thankful that WikiLeaks exposed U.S. contractor, DynCorp, for supplying prepubescent boys to dress up like women and dance for men in Afghanistan before being sold to these same men for God only knows what. I've read reports that many of these boys are raped and some even killed. (Always On).

The aforementioned is truly horrific though Assange's motives are anything but holy. He doesn't like the U.S. and will do anything to destroy its foreign policy.
It must be more than just truth, it must be beneficial to all concerned.

---larry on 12/15/10


You people are hypocrits.

You convict wikileaks of distributing e-mails while there is a plethora of information found all over the internet about how to build weapons of mass destruction, how to concoct a poison to kill your enemy, how to assassinate anyone, how to give an abortion, etc. Just the other day Fox News wrote a piece about how a person can fool a TSA scanner thus giving our enemies new information.

There are a few good things that came out of these cables. For one, the cables vindicated George Bush telling that there was indeed weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (remember all the protestors and posters saying "Bush Lied?) and, two, it vindicated Israel of any wrong doings that the world was blaming them.
---Steveng on 12/15/10


Cluny:

The difference between truth and error is easily established once both are brought to light, as they are open to scrutiny, for third parties to corroborate or refute. Forged document are Anyone who is well versed in telling lies knows well how difficult it is to tell a lie that can withstand careful scrutiny.


leej:

Revealing someone's evil doesn't harm him. He harmed himself when he did evil in the first place. The harm was just temporarily delayed until the truth comes to light. Under old testament law, if anyone did anything to harm another, they had to pay back twice the damages in restitution. Yet witnesses paid no restitution when testifying about a crime, regardless of the punishment due to the guilty party.
---StrongAxe on 12/15/10


The activity of the Wikileaks iles leaks gives off a hope of what democracy could be. Democracy could be a wonderful form of government were it not for a politicians lying constantly, always interested in enriching themselves, and generally going contrary to what the populace want them to do.
---mima on 12/15/10


Bill_willa6989--- //Adjustments can be made?// By whom? Now that secret reports from troops in the field covering local intelligence have been leaked, how will we get needed information?
What if the adjustment requires more troops to protect our service men in Afganistan or Iraq? easy, right? Will we be able to save brave Afghani helpers to our side, now that the Taliban know who they are? And how many Afganis will volunteer to help us NOW. In fact, how many governments will share important confidential information with America, NOW.
---Donna66 on 12/14/10




I am thankful that WikiLeaks exposed U.S. contractor, DynCorp, for supplying prepubescent boys to dress up like women and dance for men in Afghanistan before being sold to these same men for God only knows what. I've read reports that many of these boys are raped and some even killed.

The interior minister in Afghanistan begged for this information not to be released as it would be life endangering to some of the men involved. Why couldn't he think of how endangering this activity was to the lives of these precious little boys first?

Thank God that WikiLeaks had the guts to expose this! This is actually the second time such a claim has been leveled against DynCorp.
---AlwaysOn on 12/14/10


Wikileak is now revealing the Pope's interference in sexual abuse cases which will further harm the Roman Church.

Hopefully, he will also reveal what is happening behind the doors of many church hierarchies in the plot to destroy the basic beliefs of the church.
---leej on 12/14/10


Something occurred to me about this.

Which is easier to do: hack into diplomatic and other government computers and servers?

Or simply manufacture false documents? After all, we know how easy it is to do so with computers these days.

Think about it.
---Cluny on 12/14/10


I think this could be the beginning of a cyber-war the likes of which we have only imagined.
The attempts at "retribution" from Wikileak supporters shut down the sites for VISA and Mastercard. They threaten a "poison pill" which they say will infect all government records before anybody figures out how to stop it (if they ever do).

I have no sympathy for anybody who puts his own "right to know" ahead of other peoples' lives. The Afghanis who have helped us combat the Taliban, will likely be killed because of these leaks...not to mention more of our own troops.
---Donna66 on 12/9/10


Hi, Donna . . . Yes, "leaking" can perhaps help to cause and provide information for terrorism and espionage. But now "everyone" knows what information the terrorists and spies have, since the leaks were rather public. So, adjustments can be made.

However, I notice how often when there is a failed terrorist attack, there is information released telling why the attack failed. I would think terrorists should not be publicly provided info that can give them feedback about why their attacks fail. So, "leaking" has been going on, already, "maybe".
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/9/10


Perhaps, Donna66. However, no matter what any of us believes about Messiah's teachings, He never condoned murder, nor did He ever look forward to it happening to another human being. Instead, He taught us to turn the other cheek, to love our enemies, to pray for, bless and do good to those who curse us.

Like the quadriplegic gentleman we discussed last week, we don't know what God has planned for another's life. Imagine if a sniper got to Saul before he took a right turn on Damascus Road.

Not long ago people were saying the same thing about Dr. George Tiller and look how that turned out.

No worries, I'm content with being among the minority here who feel that such talk is inappropriate...especially on a Christian site.
---AlwaysOn on 12/7/10


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JIM--Hindsight is 20/20. We've been trying to take out Osama Bin Laden for how long now? I think we will use a sniper if we ever find him...otherwise we'd have to Mirandize him, take him to court and he'd probably get "probation". The world has no particular "admiration" for our legal system, and despite the idealism of some, it probably never will. To those under Sharia law, I'm sure it's laughable.
---Donna66 on 12/7/10


\\If we could have executed Gen. Yamatto on 12-06-1941, do you think we should have before he launched the attack at Pearl Harbor to save thousands of lives? If we could have sent a sniper to take him out do you think it would have been worth it?\\

There is no excuse for murder, period, Jim.

And had Yamamoto not led the attack, it would have been another, so shooting him would have accomplished nothing.

Those who take up sniping shall die by sniping.
---Cluny on 12/7/10


Always on-- I don't believe "Christ-like" means that everybody has to agree on what Christ wanted or what He taught. I believe it means speaking to each other in a Christ-like manner.
When atheist used to post, he didn't believe in Christ at all, but when he spoke respectfully to others here, his comments were welcomed.
---Donna66 on 12/7/10


Fortunately, in America, we prefer due process over randomly assassinating people who publish information about governments. I admit he's playing a dangerous game and I question his motives, but labeling him a terrorist is a stretch. Also, not a single death has been attributed to Wikileaks so far.

He's in custody and will likely be extradited to Sweden and possibly to the US. The America that I want is one where justice follows a reliable pattern, not one that blows folk away as a means of silencing them. Doing so is unpatriotic and, most importantly, it's not Christ like. Further, please realize that killing him will only trigger more leaks. Google Wikileaks insurance to understand why murdering him might harm our country.
---AlwaysOn on 12/7/10


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Today is Pearl Harbor Day. 12-07-1941 the 69th anniversary. If we could have executed Gen. Yamatto on 12-06-1941, do you think we should have before he launched the attack at Pearl Harbor to save thousands of lives? If we could have sent a sniper to take him out do you think it would have been worth it? Today, we have to "reason" with terrorists, we can't make them feel "bad" we have to use proper "terms" for the bad guys. Is this the America that we want? Do we want people to do nothing when America is a target time and time again?
Jim
---Jim on 12/7/10


---Donna66 at this time we are the big dog in the pen. And our leaders need to act like it. Did you ever see a little dog whipping a big dog when both were in the same pen. NO!!! Should our enemies know exactly what we think and will do? Indeed they should and we need to have the stomach to act. Our present problem goes back to Carter when our embassy was attacked in Iran. Definite action at that time might have prevented many troubles that have followed. Many American boys have died in mud and blood the world over and we should treat the heathen like a heathen!!
---mima on 12/7/10


Bill--We're not talking about "dirty dealers" in government. That is the norm.

What we are talking about is leaking to ALL the world what nations are willing to sacrifice for what they want, and when they plan to stand firm, perhaps even what use they plan for their military.

We are talking about publishing for all the world to see, every location where the US conducts top-secret activities. Is this not an invitation to terrorism or espionage?
---Donna66 on 12/7/10


I think other countries have always known there are dirty dealers in the American government. But if this is made public, of course ones will make a show of being angry . . . angry really because someone got caught, "maybe".

I understand that people do what it is their character to do. If people have been doing and saying dirty things in secret and now this has been exposed, I'd say they will just make more effort to hide their dirty dealing and dirty talking. The outward showing will be redeveloped to try to cover up what their character will have them continue doing.

And the overall character of this world has produced the people who are ruling it. If you hack away the tip of the iceberg, more iceberg will float up.
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/7/10


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Always on, unlike you, I'm not surprised at these comment.

The rules of blogging seem to be guidelines that are arbitrary enforced.
---NurseRobert on 12/7/10


Mima---NO, we are NOT entitled to know everything.
If we are told something, so are our enemies. Those who plot against us also read the NYT. Are THEY entitled to "know everything"?!
---Donna66 on 12/7/10


Had to double check that the rules of blogging haven't changed. Yep, they're still intact:

"Blogger Instructions:

- Christ-like replies only"


I'm having a hard time imagining Messiah not being bothered by a sniper having a "crack at" murdering a human being, much less Him actually liking the idea of it happening in the near future.

I just can't see Him offering (or publishing) such replies, but then that's probably just me.

I've been left scratching my head at a few comments of late that have consisted of name calling and encouraging people to do things completely opposite of what scripture teaches, but hearing Christians look forward to murder leaves me gobsmacked.
---AlwaysOn on 12/7/10


In the early part of the 20th century, a British Author (C.S.Lewis) wrote that 'if we allow concientous objectors' (those who refuse to fight in war) to run the country, then we (the country) will be taken over by a country that forces its citizens to fight' (he wrote it differently, I think, I did not go to the speech to find it)

We are in a similar case: if we allow people to steal diplomatic cables and leak them, the US will be weaker, and the world will be run by countries who just kill people like him - and will kill people like him in the US, which they will then run
---peter on 12/7/10


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Jim -- To be perfectly frank, it would not bother me either if someone shot him down. I know he will be judged by the Lord, but I'd like to see it happen sooner rather than later. (Fortunately it's not up to me)
---Donna66 on 12/6/10


\\I'm a bit astonished that nobody in government seems to be very concerned. \\

There MAY be more to how the government is reacting to this than has been released to the media.

It's really odd that the NYT refused to post the hacked e-mails showing climate change/global warming was based on poor science, but did post the Wikileaks document dump--as if that were really necessary.
---Cluny on 12/6/10


\\But the American soldier(s) who is accusued of passing the information on to Assange could be!\\

Which, of course, is an entirely different question.

** True, he is not a citizen, so why can't a sniper have a "crack" at him?**

Do real Christians recommend murder and assassination (that is, lying in wait to kill), Jim? I don't think so.

Those who take up sniping shall die by sniping. Didn't Jesus Himself say something like that?
---Cluny on 12/6/10


Hey, I was trying to reply to Cluny and it never posted. True, he is not a citizen, so why can't a sniper have a "crack" at him? This would not bother me. No trial, no more leaks... a quick funeral.
Jim
---Jim on 12/6/10


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True, Assange cannot be charged with treason. But the American soldier(s) who is accusued of passing the information on to Assange could be!

I'm a bit astonished that nobody in government seems to be very concerned. These leaks probably will cripple our attempts to thwart terrorism for years to come.
For who will trust the US to conduct or participate in any covert activities, when it could all end up on the pages of the New York Times?
---Donna66 on 12/6/10


One thing people need to remember.

Mr. Assange can NOT be charged with treason, as some are demanding, because he is NOT a citizen of the USA.
---Cluny on 12/6/10


The leaks will be used as an excuse to tighten down the screws ever tighter.
Now I ask you plainly since they are asking us to spill our blood and spend our money should we not have some knowledge of what's taking place. The war in Iraq is a perfect example of lies from the highest positions.
---mima on 12/6/10


However it plays out in geo-politics it needed to happen to expose what's happening.

The people of this nation are being duped into believing that they are being represented in Washington, and in some ways they are, but many of the major political figures are on board with a globalist agenda that seeks to destroy our sovereignty. While Americans are distracted with the next fad, their sports team or family guy our legislative branch is bombarded with bad bills.

We talk a lot about the price of freedom, but few are willing to do what's necessary to keep it, that's to pay attention and hold our elected officials accountable. Sign petitions against bad bills like s501. Too much toxic legislation will drive us into a state of tyranny.
---Pharisee on 12/6/10


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