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Is repentance necessary for forgiveness and salvation?

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Leslie-- NOBODY is "born into" Salvation for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Everybody who receives it, receives by Grace through faith. We must spread the Gospel everywhere, because we do not know who will be like the "good ground" in the parable and receive the seed, or who will be like the soil by the way, where no seed can take root..and reject the Gospel. This is something God, alone, knows.

Some people, who have a strong bias against Calvinism, do not seem to know that Baptists and Presbyterians and Reformed churches send missionaries all over the globe and witness in their communities as well.
---Donna66 on 12/10/10


Leslie: You and Ginger make more sense on this fundamental Christian teaching than anyone else here. Lee would have us believe that people who refuse to stop sinning (transgressing the Ten Commandments) and who have no remorse for past sins (repentance) will be escorted into heaven with full honors because they are "under a new covenant" - albeit not the one mentioned in the Bible.

MarkV claims that those of us who weren't "chosen" long before our births have no chance at salvation, regardless of our love for God - we're just fuel for God's fire.
---jerry6593 on 12/11/10


If we could repent of sin(turn from sin), we wouldnt need the Cross. We need to turn to Christ to set us free. Some just dont get it AND NEVER WILL. Thats why some still call themselves sinners. They live in unbelief in HIM.
---duane on 12/11/10


Leslie, the Bible does call everyone to confess and repent in order to be saved. But only those who have faith in Christ works, and who have a repented heart will make that confession and be saved. Without faith and a contrite heart, they will never confess or repent. Kathr said she never had them. That is the problem with Kathr. She never had faith or a contrite heart. Just think about it. A lost person coming to Christ without faith, just not possible. Just read this,
"No one can" come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father" This statement is Universal negative proposition. It states a universal inability. The word "can" does not describe permission, but power or ability.
---Mark_V. on 12/11/10


Kathr4453 //Lewis Sperry Chafer is widely recognized as one of the founders of modern Dispensationalism and was vehemently opposed to covenant theology, or Calvinism.

I already have realized that, however, as an analyst I really do not subscribe to all Chafer has to say. As to Dispensationism, it is rapidly falling by the way side not being held as a valid belief.

While taking several Moody Bible Scofield courses, I studied dispensationism and have long rejected it as just another theological belief.

This is where such books as The History of Theological Thoughts by Jonathan Hill come in handy as it depicts many of the theological thoughts that have come and gone.
---leej on 12/11/10




Leslie //Yes, salvation is a FREE gift from God, NOT man, however, in order to get salvation we have to do some things.

While I can agree with you up to a point, I do not see any scripture that specifically states repentance is a prerequisite to salvation. Romans 10:9, John 3:16, etc.does not even speak of it.

1 John 1:9 speaks of confessing sin but that is more in the sanctification stage, not in the initial regeneration.

And yes, the preachers at their altar call will call upon one to repent of sins (they use the guilt trip to the extreme)but there are far too many testimonies of people simply finding Christ in their lives without any initial repentance.
---leej on 12/11/10


leej - Yes, salvation is a FREE gift from God, NOT man, however, in order to get salvation we have to do some things. The Bible REQUIRES people to CONFESS & BELIEVE Jesus as Lord and that He rose from the dead (Rom. 10:9-10), and also to CONFESS & REPENT of our sins (Luke 13:3, 1 John 1:9). If we do NOT do these things, we are NOT saved. Salvation just is not handed to us on a silver plater without our faith in ACTION - if this were the case, ALL people would already be saved and going to Heaven. In reality we should know that not all people are saved and going to Heaven.
---Leslie on 12/10/10


leej - To add to my last comment - Why do you think Jesus told us to go into ALL the world and preach the Gospel? You see, if Jesus' death and resurrection was all it took to be saved, then the Gospel would be pointless. This is because ALL people would already be saved from just us being born into salvation (like a Prince to a King) and there would be no need for the Gospel to be preached. We are NOT born into salvation according to the Bible, but it comes by Faith in Action.
---Leslie on 12/10/10


LeeJ, so do you like Lewis Chafer?

Lewis Sperry Chafer is widely recognized as one of the founders of modern Dispensationalism and was vehemently opposed to covenant theology, or Calvinism.

Strictly speaking, he was a premillennial, pretribulational dispensationalist.
---kathr4453 on 12/10/10


Laura //I think I heard you say repentance is our sanctification, and not our initial response for salvation. Is this correct?

No, repentence is really what happens in Sanctification (process by which God works within the believer), that He reveals the sin in our lives that we need to turn away from.

While John the Baptist called people to repentance, those baptized in water were not born of His Spirit and through they may have turned from their sin, were not being sanctified by Gods Spirit.

Conscience even in the unbeliever, may cause one to change his behavior but that kind of repentance is not to God and may not lead to salvation.

In any case, repentance of sin is not a prerequisite to salvation.
---leej on 12/10/10




God is very clear: The do nothings, get nothings from the Lord: Doers are saved, NonDoers are condemned. Only Doers Are Saved, And Hearers Only Are Condemned. The figless tree is condemned. God commands man to be saved, thus it must be possible for man to do something in order to be saved. So what is that that man must do to be saved? God's Word tells us in both Testaments what we must do, namely, Repent (Please Read- Ezekiel 18:30-32). "Repent you all therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out." Acts 3:19. Therefore, there is no salvation without man's participation by first repenting.
---Eloy on 12/10/10


"The elect of God are chosen by Him to be His children, in order that they might be made to believe, not because He foresaw that they would believe"--Mark_V. on 12/9/10

To this I disagree.
---micha9344 on 12/9/10

I have to disagree also. Scripture again puts the argument to bed.
Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Isaiah 65:22
They shall not build, and another inhabit, they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

Obamanation protected.
---Trav on 12/10/10


//That is what freewill and the gift of freedom of choice is all about: each soul has the free choice to do good and be blessed, or else to do evil and be condemned.

Only those whom God would reveal Himself to will experience rebirth and salvation.

2 Cor. 4:3-4 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

The natural man is blind and only God can open the eyes of the blind.

Sorry to disagree with you but salvation is from the Lord, not from man.
---leej on 12/10/10


Forgiveness is the restoration of relationship between God, humanity, and the world in Jesus Christ. Gods coming into the world as a babe creates the condition for forgiveness, repentance does not create that condition. Repenting does not make God forgive me. God forgives, therefore we repent.A sinners prayer should be thanksgiving for forgiveness through Jesus Christ.
We are truely saved by grace, through faith.
---duane on 12/9/10


"The elect of God are chosen by Him to be His children, in order that they might be made to believe, not because He foresaw that they would believe"--Mark_V. on 12/9/10
To this I disagree.
1Pet 1:2a Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ...
The call is to all but God knows who will and those are His elect.
Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people [unto him] with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Rev 22:17b ..And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
---micha9344 on 12/9/10


... then salvation is in our hands, not God's.
---leej on 12/9/10

Not true. Repentance isnt the 1st step to salvation, Conviction of sins by the Holy Spirit is.
God made the first move, leej.
He sent his son to die for our sins.
I would say God made THE 1st move in reconciling his creation back to him.
If Jesus hadnt died and rose again, we wouldnt have access to the Spirit of God nor the conviction of it to tell us we have truly sinned.
If you notice through out the Bible, God always makes the 1st move. He came to Abram, Noah, Moses, etc.
They could've said "No" but didnt. And God knowing they would say "yes" doesn't mean God made them say "yes". It was still their choice.
---ginger on 12/9/10


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leej, your are absolutely right, for God tells the sinner to repent and be saved, or else be condemned: the choice is 100% each individual's choice to make. That is what freewill and the gift of freedom of choice is all about: each soul has the free choice to do good and be blessed, or else to do evil and be condemned.
---Eloy on 12/9/10


///Paul often says that we are saved "through" faith (that is, as the instrumental cause), but never once does he say that we are saved "on account of" faith (that is, as the meritorious cause). And to the same effect we may say that the redeemed shall be rewarded in proportion to their good works, but not "on account of them." ---Mark_V. on 12/9/10///

Mark
I have found that the dividing line between most doctrinal beliefs is whether the Saving Grace of God is "meritorious" or "Unmeritorious".

If we receive the saving Grace of God without merit,
Why was Abraham's Faith Credited as Ritheousness?
---David on 12/10/10


//What is so hard to understand Grace? We are saved by Grace, through faith, not on account of faith. ---Mark_V. on 12/8/10
//

Verses where Jesus is telling people that their faith has saved them or made them whole:

Matt 9:22
Matt 15:28
Mark 5:34
Mark 10:52
Luke 7:50
Luke 17:19
Luke 18:42

Its not to say that the power of faith is all thats needed. Its the OBJECT of that faith that makes the difference.

People HAVE faith already. They just need it redirected towards Jesus Christ instead of themselves.
---JackB on 12/10/10


I do believe that both John the baptist and Jesus preached repentance.
I think Jesus said that repentance should be preached.
It would seem that it is necessary.
---Frank on 12/10/10


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So Lee, are you contending that there will be unrepentant ones in heaven? Seems like there were already a bunch of them kicked out of there - Satan and his angels to be specific.
---jerry6593 on 12/10/10


leej, I think I heard you say repentance is our sanctification, and not our initial response for salvation. Is this correct.

What you may not understand is there is no power in repentance for your sanctification.

Those whom John the Baptist called to repentance, came in repentance followed by baptism.

They weren't baptized first and then repented.
---Laura on 12/9/10


David, you say,
"Mark
If this is so, Why does Paul go into such detail about Abraham's Faith being credited as Righteousness?"

Paul often says that we are saved "through" faith (that is, as the instrumental cause), but never once does he say that we are saved "on account of" faith (that is, as the meritorious cause). And to the same effect we may say that the redeemed shall be rewarded in proportion to their good works, but not "on account of them." And in accordance with this, "The elect of God are chosen by Him to be His children, in order that they might be made to believe, not because He foresaw that they would believe"
---Mark_V. on 12/9/10


LeeJ, The prosperity of America is the foundational understanding of our Puritan Calvinist fathers.

Why do you object to the truth of that fact.

Maybe there are those who don't like it, but you must be ignorant of many things if you call someone senile who is more up to date on current events.

Personally I find your comments offensive. We are losing our blessings and prosperity because of the evil we have allowed.
---Anonymous on 12/9/10


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Eloy -//Of course, God commands repentance and he never honors an evil soul, but instead he has created a lake of fire and brimstone for the unrepentant.

Your opinion please.

If one repents then can one be saved?

If that is the case, then salvation is in our hands, not God's.
---leej on 12/9/10


leej - I take it you are from a "grace" church and believe that repentance is not for today, and done away with - is this correct? If so, you are AGAINST the Bible and God. Jesus and the Apostles ALL taught on repentance to salvation, and taught us to teach this as well. The MAIN teaching being "Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand". I suggest you read your Bible rather than go with what your Pastor teaches, because he/she is WRONG.
---Leslie on 12/9/10


Luke 3:6-8
7Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Repentance is turning to Christ. We are to warn even today of Gods wrath to come, calling all to repentance, so they too can flee Gods wrath to come.
---kathr4453 on 12/9/10


Of course, God commands repentance and he never honors an evil soul, but instead he has created a lake of fire and brimstone for the unrepentant.
---Eloy on 12/8/10


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What is so hard to understand Grace? We are saved by Grace, through faith, not on account of faith. ---Mark_V. on 12/8/10

Mark
If this is so, Why does Paul go into such detail about Abraham's Faith being credited as Righteousness?
It was due to this accreditation which caused God to call Abram, Abraham and this accreditation was 99 years in the Making.

God set a condition of Faith, by walking in the ways of the Lord, for Abram to become Abraham, a Father of Many nations.
---David on 12/9/10


Katrh ... I had read all your posts, and found nothing to support what Mark had said. I wanted to give you the opportunity to rebut his accusation.
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/9/10


//Here again are the filthy remarks of Kathr.

Some times we have to deal with those who are sick spiritually on this forum. This is obvious from their cantankousness and contentious remarks.

They continue to toss verbal rocks at those who have beliefs that they themselves have yet to understand. They have little understanding of the Scripture or the sovereignty of its Author.

It is interesting that she is attempting to identify American patriotism with Calvinism or the prosperity gospel.

Delusional? Probably becoming elderly and on the border of senility!

Is there anything worst than dealing with a contentious old woman? Proverbs 27:15
---leej on 12/8/10


On the contrary..forgiveness is nessessary for repentance.
We must have the Cross before repentance is given.
HE died for sin before you were even thought of.
---duane on 12/8/10


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Here again are the filthy remarks of Kathr.
"So leej and all your false doctrine.

I BELIEVE GOD..

So here's smelling ya again. Your doctine STINKS!!!

It's a LIE."

With no presentation from the word of God to proof Lee is wrong, only the word of her mouth. She says, I believe God" but even the devil believes, it does not make him saved.
---Mark_V. on 12/8/10


1.Romans 2:4
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

2 Peter 3:9
9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


Doesn't sound to me that repentance comes after you are Born Again.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/10


Leslie //Yes, Repentance is NECESSARY for forgiveness and salvation. If you do NOT repent, you are NOT truly saved, and your sins are still there for God to see, NOT covered in the blood. Luke 13:3, 1 John 1:9

So you would say "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him and repents of sin should not perish but have eternal life." John 3,16 italics mine.

Repentence is more so a part of sanctification than of regeneration for it is the indwelling Holy Spirit that convicts of sin and brings the believer in conformance to the holiness of God.

1 John 1:9 speaks to the Christian not necessarily to the unbeliever.

Salvation is strictly a gift. Eph. 2:8-10
---leej on 12/8/10


2 Corinthians 7:10
10For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.


Here three witnesses. Repentance leads TOOOOOOOOO salvation.

So leej and all your false doctrine.

I BELIEVE GOD..

So here's smelling ya again. Your doctine STINKS!!!

It's a LIE.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/10


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Yes, Repentance is NECESSARY for forgiveness and salvation. If you do NOT repent, you are NOT truly saved, and your sins are still there for God to see, NOT covered in the blood. Luke 13:3, 1 John 1:9
---Leslie on 12/8/10


No matter how you try to cut it Kathryn, God in His sovereignty will do what He please with His creation.

From Romans 9 -

So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

Kathryn will say to me then, Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will? But who are you, O woman, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, Why have you made me like this?

So much for the bull of equality in God's eyes!
---leej on 12/8/10


The doctrine of freewill clearly brings no glory to God but only to the man.//
Christan,
I would say that it brings great glory to God.
To come down from his thrown, change his glory(heavenly) to our glory(earthly) and lay down his life for us.
Its most certainly to God's glory that a sinner is changed from the inside out. Its a wonderful site to see God work on someone who was so messed up and all in the pig sty and make them shine like Gold. To do this, God asks us to submit he never makes us submit. Thats not love-agape.
Man only says yes and yields to God. Do you even understand what submit means? It means to willing give up your will. The Bible is full of people submitting to God.
---ginger on 12/8/10


//markV leej stated this on the Calvin blog. I see NO repentance at all whatsoever leej stated he had.

Kathryn really needs to read the posts again. Repentance while NOT a pre-requisite for salvation, does occur after the believer is indwelt by the Holy Spirit who bades the believer to repent of sin. In brief, repentance is more so a part of sanctification than it is of regeneration.

Of course, faith itself originates with God and by grace are we saved thru faith, NOT OF OURSELVES for it is nothing less than a GIFT from God. Eph.2:8-10.

So if you are indwelt by God's Spirit, you belong to Him and you can be thankful that He has before the foundation of the earth chosen you unto eternal salvation.(1:4)
---leej on 12/8/10


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//Our country was based on the saying ALL people are created equal.

One of failures of communism was to create a classless society in which all people were equal but that is impractical due to inherent differences in people.

As to Calvinism ( & the plain meaning of Scripture) God does not treat all people as equal.

For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say, Bec I am not the hand, I am not of the body, is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Bec I am not the eye, I am not of the body, is it therefore not of the body? ...But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

Don't you just hate the fact that God is sovereign over His creation?
---leej on 12/8/10


//To be born of Spirit of Christ you have to repent and believe he is your saviour.

Do you mean that repentance is a prerequisite to salvation? Or is salvation really an act of our sovereign God?

Calvinism maintains that salvation is a sovereign act of God, that those whom He has chosen even before the foundation of the world will be the ones who inherit eternal life.

---leej on 12/1/10
markV leej stated this on the Calvin blog. I see NO repentance at all whatsoever leej stated he had.

And here you are both Calvinists. Maybe you need to pull the oak tree out of your brothers eye before you start playing God in other people's lives.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/10


Kathr ... Do you really believe that we can be saved without repentance and without faith, as Mark claims you believe?
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/8/10

alan, if you actually read my posts you know markv is lying. But I will say I am very disappointed in you for believing markv's lies and repeating them as though you hold markv's lies with substance. You yourself know he twists things. If you were paying attention, you would be defending what I never ever stated to begin with.
MarkV is stating this over and over out of anger and slander because I oppose Calvinism's way of being born again first to repent.

MarkV is exactly like a crooked politician...

Repentance leads to salvation.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/10


//Everyone has already been forgiven. If they have been forgiven, why are millions going to hell//
Very simple,they don't believe and accept the finished work of the Cross.

Rom. 5:6 ..." in due time Christ died for the ungodly."

Romans 5:8 while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Col.2:13 "When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins"
Where were you when He died on the Cross?
Christ died for everyone, but everyone doesn't accept it.
---michael_e on 12/8/10


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Kathr ... Do you really believe that we can be saved without repentance and without faith, as Mark claims you believe?
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/8/10


The availability of a gift does not guarantee the beneficiary's reception of it. If I do not know what is in the will, I can be a beneficiary and never know what is given to me. If I don't know what is given, I don't enjoy the benefits because I don't receive them. If I don't enjoy the benefits, it is not the benefactor's fault. It is not a "signal" or "source" problem. It is a reception problem.
---Linda on 12/8/10


Some of the baggage that needs shaken off is the thought that your begging and pleading actually accomplished more than what Jesus did on the cross.
---Linda on 12/8/10


Calvinistas are such bullies. I have never said I came to Christ without repentance. I said I came to Christ BY FAITH.

You say my faith was nil and void because I wasn't born again first, making my repentance a lie by your standard.

So tired, so tired so tired of the bullying from you MarkV, but then again, it comes naturally to Calvin bullies. If they can't burn you at the stake they will with their lies.


What do you call a protestant who murder Christians ?
Ans: EVIL!
---kathr4453 on 12/8/10


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Ephesians 1:17-23 is sufficient for those who didn't understand and receive the revelation of the work Jesus accomplished when He said what He said and did what He did. Carnal reasoning is exempt, for it cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God for they are spiritually discerned.
---Linda on 12/8/10


What is so hard to understand Grace? We are saved by Grace, through faith, not on account of faith.
"For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law, indeed it cannot. Those who are in the flesh, cannot please God" Romans 8:7,8.
And what many of you are saying is that while lost, in the flesh, there is something good in you, that the Bible is wrong, and that you can please God, by accepting His gift. Just nonsense again. Opposite of the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/8/10


The Orthodox Church teaches that repentance is a lifestyle, not just a once-for-all event.

It's a constant course correction as we tread the strait and narrow way that leads to heaven.

BTW--"strait" is NOT an archaic spelling for "straight". Though the words are related, they have distinct meanings.
---Cluny on 12/8/10


//check the Scripture like the Behreans did//

The Jews in Berea checked the scriptures. We do not know if all Bereans checked the Scripture. So, like a Jew in Berea, check it out.

I know this seems like a thin hair to split, but if an arrow is shot 1 degree off, the target maybe hit at 10 ft but will not be at 100 ft.
---aka on 12/8/10


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-- Jerry :

Brother, Salvation is through the Faith that brings about the changes within us of repentance which is necessary to RECEIVE Forgiveness !!!
---Shawn.M.T. on 12/8/10


Many of you speak and give no Scripture, only what you believe is true without Scripture. Because there is no Scripture to support your views.
Just take what Linda and Ginger said, Both agree that:
"Jesus already cried out, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do!" And that because of that request, God forgave everyone. If He forgave everyone, that means no one needs forgiveness. Everyone has already been forgiven. If they have been forgiven, why are millions going to hell? The same theology of Kathr, Coming to Christ with no repentance and no faith. Why? They have already been forgiven by the Father because He answered the request of Christ. Just nonsense.
---Mark_V. on 12/8/10


chriatan, after doing much historical research on Calvinism/Puritans/America i see something very interesting.

Our country was based on the saying ALL people are created equal.

Now I do see that ALL PEOPLE were not treated equal or considered equal.

So my question here is this. ALL PEOPLE according to Calvin's definition is not all people but the Elect, correct. SO, is that the same idea that was also privately understood among the Puritans in the Beginning, and through out many many years.

Many Chinese came and built our railroads, however were not allowed to become citizens. And of coarse our Native Americans were not considered equal, or those from Africa.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/10


Homer,
God repented. Does that mean God turned from sin? Repent means what it means. To turn around or change of intent on anything.
---calhoon on 12/8/10


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Ginger, If the jesus whom you claim is your god and he died for the sins of everyone in the world, why do people still go to hell? //

Because they don't choose Jesus. They choose themselves.
Every man is given faith at their creation. God provided grace through Christ. God asks man to put faith in him instead of himself. Trust the creator, worship the creator. Instead men choose to worship the created..themsleves. Haven't you read the Bible in its context without your doctrine? Try it. You will be surprised at what you find.
---ginger on 12/8/10


kathr, Calvin is a teacher of the Word just like Arminius or Wesley claim to be. The difference is they contradict one another. One totally belief in the Sovereign Will of God and the other the sovereign will of man's freewill.

Only God knows where you get your history notes on Calvin accusing him of being "...the First prosperity teacher. He in fact is the God-father of the Prosperity movement." Without facts and evidence, it is a sin to bear false witness of someone.

You continue to ramble on with what you say without Scriptural backing just like your other cohorts. A true Christian will always check the Scripture like the Behreans did, therefore you cannot fool God's elect for they are guided by His Spirit.
---christan on 12/8/10


Jim, way off base? How?

You have a jesus who died for everyone's sins, still have people going to hell? The doctrine of freewill clearly brings no glory to God but only to the man.

Whereas, I believe when Scripture declares, "...and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:21 - that all of His people will be saved. The distinction here is "His people". And who are they?

"And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of ALL WHICH HE HATH GIVEN ME I SHOULD LOOSE NOTHING, but should raise it up again at the last day." John 6:39

Your christ lost some whereas mine will "loose nothing". All glory to God.
---christan on 12/8/10


christian...you are way off base....it is like Ginger said. Christ did die for our sins and it is thru this faith in Jesus that we are saved by Gods amazing grace.
Please read 1Cor.15:2-4.
By this gospel you are saved.
---JIM on 12/8/10


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Ginger, If the jesus whom you claim is your god and he died for the sins of everyone in the world, why do people still go to hell? There should then be no one in hell since your jesus died for everyone, right? And since he is god, he should be powerful enough to save the sinner regardless of what the sinner does. Otherwise you cannot call him god.

Do you see how ridiculous and evil the doctrine of free-will sounds? They bow and worship a god of their own imagination that cannot save a sinner even after his son died for their sins.

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful, but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." Romans 1:21
---christan on 12/8/10


Mima
I was taught that the word repent means to turn from sin. Is this teaching wrong?
---Homer on 12/8/10


Linda, I am with mima, THAT was beautifully stated. AND we all need to remember that included the Jews who also were there who put Him there.

But isn't it interesting that those who hate the Jews and blame them for Christ's death believing God will never forgive them, alsobelieve God will never forgive you either, unless you are of the elite chosen secret society.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/10


I agree with and am in admiration of this answer by Linda.

"The gate truly is narrow. The man walking through it will have to shake off the baggage of his own righteousness first. The righteousness of Christ is not an addition to yours. It is the replacement for a man totally naked of any of his own."
---Linda on 12/7/10
---mima on 12/7/10


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Repentance is from God. When we turn to Christ(repent) We will receive repentance(a change of mind and heart) from God.
We(flesh) cant repent(turn) from sinning, so we repent(turn to Christ) to have sin taken away. Upon turning to Christ we will be given repentance (a change of heart and mind) from God.
---duane on 12/7/10


Christan, God's gift is GRACE.
I am with everybody else on this.
Jesus died for all of man's sins.
So, repentance is a part of salvation.
How do we expect to be forgiven if we don't admit our guilt?
I also believe that repenting is understanding and believing Christ did die for our sins. So repentance is part of our faith in God. Admitting we are wrong and knowing he has forgiven us.
---ginger on 12/7/10


Jesus already cried out, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do!"

Did God dishonor His Son's request or forget that He made it?

If Jesus already made the request, you can guarantee God answered with a yes. Our part is to receive His answer by faith just as we would receive a gift from a generous benefactor. A simple thank you will suffice. It is with thanksgiving we enter His gates.
---Linda on 12/7/10


The gate truly is narrow. The man walking through it will have to shake off the baggage of his own righteousness first. The righteousness of Christ is not an addition to yours. It is the replacement for a man totally naked of any of his own.
---Linda on 12/7/10


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If we confess our sins He is FAITHFUL and JUST to forgive us (1 John 1:8)

"JUST" meaning God is righteous by his OWN standard in forgiving us.

//Does this mean that God is obligated to forgive and give them salvation?//--Christan

If a JWs(<--why?), Jew or Muslim .....

//... changes his mind about who the Lord Jesus Christ is and what he has accomplished for us.//

Obligated by His promise and His own sense of justice. YES! Jesus Christ has already paid for the sins of mankind and cried out for mercy on us as He was doing so. By the grace of God he tasted death for every man (Hebrews 2:9).

I believe this is why scripture tells us to come BOLDLY to the throne of grace. (Hebrews 4:16)
---JackB on 12/6/10


if we have no power in our salvation, then i would say that we can change our mind in all our own power, but if we do not submit and allow our mind to be renewed by the spirit, "repentance" is in vain.
---aka on 12/6/10


"The goodness of God leads [man] to repentance, for godly sorrow works repentance to salvation, and there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents. Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord.
To open [your] eyes, in order to turn [you] from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that [you] may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by [the] faith [of Jesus]."
---joseph on 12/7/10


Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him..."

christian why have you re-written scripture? I do not see ( FROM GOD) not here or anywhere else Faith is spoken.

Please stop re-writing God's word.

You alll need to watch these people who add or take away from the Word of God...

I believe God's wrath is not just for those who mess with REV, but ALL of Scripture.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/10


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Great post Mima only one thing I'd add, he changes his mind about himself as well.
---Pharisee on 12/6/10


I agree with you mima.
---JIM on 12/6/10


Even the Jews, Muslims, JWs and many will claim they repent. Does this mean that God is obligated to forgive and give them salvation?

True repentance toward God comes with the most important gift of all from God and that is the gift of Faith. Repentance without Faith from God is worthless.

Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him..."

First, God saves the sinner and then applies His special gift call Faith, and by Faith the sinner repents (and his repentance pleases God because of Faith), which then leads the sinner to Christ which the Spirit will give him knowledge, conviction and trust in Jesus Christ for salvation.
---christan on 12/6/10


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