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Should One Learn To Fish

Is it better for the recipient to receive a fish or learn how to fish?

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 ---paul on 12/12/10
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I have brochure from that organization that advocates giving animals etc to poor African nations, where they ride around in Jeeps with machine guns it total anarchy! They demanded their independence from Britain,France Holland etc...and it's been downhill from then on!
They need political stability first, then help!
---1st_cliff on 12/16/10

We need to dust our feet off after 2,000 years of throwing fish at these country's.
They will not progress except to hate and kill the fishermen. As you pointed out and the news every day can testify too. GOD gives us every sign....we think we are smarter than GOD....again showing how much we don't understand.
---Trav on 1/21/11

I think both ways are beneficial. A person need to receive a fish fist,sometimes. Then shown how to fish. This way he/she may not ever need to receive a fish,again.
---Robyn on 1/21/11

What's to learn.... Ya just lite the dynamite and throw it....
---Elder on 1/18/11

2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
---micha9344 on 1/16/11

It is always better to receive a fish rather than catch a fish:
Especialy if it is Red Snapper season well, and fried in hot oil, then sauteed in a pan with cherry tomatoes, onion, green oinion, garlic, and oregana, served with spanish rice and green peas.

If you catch a fish, then you have to scale and gut it, that can be stinky

---francis on 1/14/11

Never heard of anarchists confiscating chickens! The programs that provide people with livestock provide supervision long after the gift is given.
Yes, when it comes to relief funds, or anything of much monetary value, those in power are quick to take them for their own use. That is one reason gifts of livestock have proven so effective. I don't believe chasing chickens would be worth the effort to those in power!

There is no need for us to become involved in the politics of these African countries in order to help poor people attain a measure of self-reliance.
---Donna66 on 12/18/10

Donna 66, Two good questions, is it our business to interfere with another's government? Maybe ,like 1776 some strong moralists will get the people behind them and establish a working authority!
,till then all we can do is "encourage" since it is they who said "give us our independence"
Meanwhile the anarchists scoop up the chickens and the people are back to square one!
---1st_cliff on 12/18/10

Bruce5656..//Teach him to budget, help him for life
Few people have this skill anymore, and it must be taught. Lottery winners who have never made much money, often spend millions, and spend themselves right on to the welfare rolls.
---Donna66 on 12/17/10

1st Cliff-- And who will provide them political security? Will they ever have a stable government?
Political security is not required for them to raise a few chickens.
---Donna66 on 12/17/10

Paul-- I agree entirely. Government assistance can quickly become habit forming. And no matter what you give people, they fell "entitled" to more.
The French feel "entitled" to job security for everyone. The Greeks feel "entitled" to retire at 60. The Brits feel "entitled" to a free college education. And these countries are going broke because of these demands by their ungrateful citizens. No doubt, promising people all these things bought power for whatever political party promised them. But in the end, there is civil unrest and everybody pays a steep price!

Furthermore this state of learned helplessness stifles initiative, ingenuity and perserverence in a population.
---Donna66 on 12/17/10

Donna66, We learned this in Boy Scouts, personally I hate fish!

I have brochure from that organization that advocates giving animals etc to poor African nations, where they ride around in Jeeps with machine guns it total anarchy! They demanded their independence from Britain,France Holland etc...and it's been downhill from then on!
They need political stability first, then help!
---1st_cliff on 12/16/10

I feel giving a fish (assistance) long term does promote laziness.

But teaching someone to fish (gainful trade) embodies success.

I am all for assisting with an end in mind, Francis ,I think it was, is a perfect example of this. Going on assistance to better his future is commendable and honorable.

I dont mind my tax dollars going to aid in someones future, but when someones future is to drain the system on the backs of my children, that is where my problem arises.

Give a man a fish to strengthen him to learn to fish is what I say, allow an abuser to get hungry and he will see a need to fish.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/16/10

Blogger9211 was responding to my comment that the principle of the adage has a universal application. To limit it to "fishing" or "agriculture" is to miss the point altogether.

For example, I helped my nephew to learn to manage his money. He was on social assistance and he would have all his money gone in a matter of a day or two with nothing left for the rest of the month. In that case you might say: Give a man a handout, help him for a day. Teach him to budget, help him for life.
---Bruce5656 on 12/16/10

giving a fish teaches laziness. and laziness is a sin bec. it is selfish. like the woman in front of me, she is lazy. she does not contribute in the dept. she just want to get paid.
when you learn how to fish it is biblical bec. we are told to work.
---mike on 12/16/10

Alan of UK-- OK I understand your reaction to Blogger9211.
But he's trying to apply the concept of farming to modern society in which farming is big business. It simply isn't practical to take a homeless person off the streets of Chicago and try to turn him into a farmer..(a lawn care provider, maybe, would be a more appropriate form of agriculture.)
---Donna66 on 12/16/10

Donna ... why call me cynical?

I belong to one of the orgs that you describen andhave given cows and goats so that they can look after tem and prosper, and feed others.

But this is the equivalent of teaching them to make fishing rods ... because they are taught to own and care for the livestock

Much better than giving food parcels.

My last comment was because Blogger appeared to deride giving such simple things, because I beleive they are the most effective
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/16/10

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Alan of UK-- Don't be so cynical. Perhaps you don't know about programs that give livestock (water buffalo, goats, chickens, ducks, milk cows) to poor rural families in poor countries. Along with it, training is given on how to maintain, breed and sell these animals' offspring or products like eggs and milk.
It has saved whole extended families and even villages from starvation.
Individuals from properous countries can purchase one or more animals to be given to needy people in other countries. This year I purchased a couple of goats. I could tell you more about this organization if you are interested.

You might also google "kiva" for an easy way to help the disadvantaged in other countries start a business of their own.
---Donna66 on 12/16/10

Bruce ... Bloghger obviously has no concept of that!

He is the modern equivalent of Marie Antoinette, who said of the peasants "They have no bread? Let them eat cake!"
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/16/10


Two words:

Subsistence agriculture
---Bruce5656 on 12/15/10

"Give one a fish, you feed that one for the day: but teach one to fish, and you feed that one for a lifetime."
---Eloy_December_15_2010_A.D. on 12/15/10

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if in need, both.

even if someones learns, he/she needs to know how to share and teach others whatever the 'fish' may be.

this is the practical application of the gospel and sharing it with others.

if you do not eat, you starve physically. if you do not share, you starve spiritually.
---aka on 12/15/10

Bruce5656, do you have any conception of the acreage and capitalization required to a successful wheat farmer much less the advanced education. A through knowledge of agronomy, and what hybrid seeds to use. Most wheat farmers can not afford their own combines and depen on ther services of custom harvestors who move from farm to farm harvesting wheat. It is a very high risk occupation as you crop is subject to drought, hail, muddy fields in the spring when you can't plant and on top of that the futures market for your commodity so even of you can harvest that is going to determine if you can make any profit to pay of your capitalization expenses.

What I have said about old adages is right on target they have very limited applicability
---Blogger9211 on 12/15/10

1st Cliff---How many fish have YOU caught with a bent pin, a worm and a piece of string?
---Donna66 on 12/15/10

Awesome, thanks for being Christ like, thats what its all about my friend. God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/15/10

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Actually Paul,it was not you, but I.

I have placed a stumbling block on your blog and for that I apologize.
---John on 12/15/10

But feeding 5000 with just 2 fish. NOW that's something!

What I find more interesting and important than feeding of 5000!
Is at the end of the feeding, when he said to his disciples!
Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost!
I see this line as so important!

Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten.
And this one twelve baskets filled! What happen to them?

Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said!
This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
---TheSeg on 12/15/10

Im aware fly fishing is on the surface, I suppose my comment was a slurr on your saying you fly fish then state that you usually dont fish in shallow water, I just found that comical.
I do apolagize for i typicaly refrain from smears, I much rather perfer open dialog in a informative manner.
I find comments such as you posted a bit bankrupt and uninformative, nothing personal. I felt it was a lagitimate question if you didnt you would have been better served to simply find deeper water. God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/14/10

Actually Paul, Fly Fishing is mostly on the surface of the water.

But feeding 5000 with just 2 fish. NOW that's something!
---John on 12/14/10

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Its a deeper subject then one may think, and you fly fish in deep water only?
God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/14/10

I usually enjoy Fly Fishing. Caught a bunch of Rainbow Trout and some Cutthroat as well.

Now with Winter I reckon I will be doing some Ice Fishing.

Also need to get some new Flies for next summer.

I usually don't fish in shallow water and since this is a shallow question I'm not sure I will waste time answerng it.
---John on 12/13/10

In my opinion your all correct, if we can teach people to produce for themselves, and equip them to do so, they will prosper.

Geography plays little significance in the equation, supply and demand is the fuel of economy.

But one must be in demand and not demanding the government to take care of them long term.

So it is better to learn a trade then to trade hard work for a hand out.
God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/13/10

I would feed a starving person first so he would have strength to learn how to fish. If he lives by the water I would then give him rod and reel and teach him to fish. If he was in the country side where no water contains fish,I would teach him to hunt with a gun and supply the gun. You don't handle such situations with a blanket policy,unless a rescue mission,but address each person's needs with compassion to the best of your ability.
---Darlene_1 on 12/13/10

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"That is the problem with old adages they are only operable in certain conditions."

Actualy the adage is universal in its principle. I don't think the person who coined the phrase intended it to apply only to fishing.

The adage means teaching someone to do something for them self and thus be independant is better than having them rely on a handout. For a person who has no opportunity to fish it might be the difference between giving wheat and teaching how to grow wheat etc.
---Bruce5656 on 12/13/10

blogger9211 and Cluny---
Obviously, this old maxim has meaning beyond "fish". There is hardly any place on earth where some kind of food is not available. In some places a person may need to learn to farm, or to hunt. You can give a person some game or some grain,but they will continue to dependent until they learn the skills needed to obtain these on their own.
---Donna66 on 12/13/10

Amen (so be it, that's right, true that, right on) Candice! Thx for your correlated BIG PICTURE Christian analysis of Paul's question.
---Leon on 12/13/10

2 Timothy 3:14-15 (N.I.V.)
But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you have learned it, and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures which is able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
---Allan_McDougall on 12/13/10

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A bent pin,a worm and a piece of string, wow hard or what?
---1stcliff on 12/13/10

both. first we recieve it(gospel, salvation) THEN we learn how to help others to fish(learning ourselves to be disciples and to teach others)
---candice on 12/12/10

If the recipient doesn't live near water, or have the right equipment, what does teaching him how to fish accomplish?
---Cluny on 12/12/10

If you you do not live near a body of water populated by fish, and there is economic demand for fish learning to fish is of no economic value to you.

The skill you chose to learn must have a economic demand and the resources to practice it in practical proximity.

That is the problem with old adages they are only operable in certain conditions.
---Blogger9211 on 12/12/10

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In the middle of a desert, it is not much use learning how to fish!

And even in a place where there are many fish to be caught, it is no good learning how to fish if there is no implement with which to fish.

So then the question becomes: Is it better to be given a fishing rod or net, or to be taught how to make them?
---alan8566_of_UK on 12/12/10

Give a man a fish - feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish - feed him for life.
---Bruce5656 on 12/12/10

Paul: I think you're asking whether it's better for a person to be "given" a fish to eat as opposed to being taught how to catch fish for himself. You're obviously referring to a Chinese Proverb, i.e., "Give a man a fish & you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish & you feed him for a lifetime." That's pretty basic math. A non-fisherman, given a fish, eats it & has no more unless someone gives him another. But, a man who learns how to fish is capable of catching & eating fish daily. You tell me, which is better?
---Leon on 12/12/10

Best is for someone to learn how to fish, as the saying goes. You may have to give them a fish or two until they learn.(This should be the guiding principle of our welfare system)

Sadly, our society has become one where people think more about their "entitlement" than about overcoming difficulties when times are hard. We have been conditioning children to this way of thinking since about the 60's. It concerns me that the American work ethic has been lost. Because of this, I believe we are only a few steps behind Europe and the financial disasters there. And I see no sign of things turning around. Anybody have a solution for this?
---Donna66 on 12/12/10

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I would say, unless you know what a well seasoned fish taste like.
You wouldnt know how to explain it to someone.
Many people have eaten fish. But not very one has tasted a well seasoned fish!
Not even the best fishermen in the world can tell you, by looking at it!
If its well season! All he can tell you is that there is some seasoning in it.
But, only the one who know what he is putting into it.
Can tell you if indeed it is a well seasoned fish!

And if anyone eats of this fish, he will want more!
And indeed will learn how to catch it and when to season it!
Even, if he doesnt have all the ingredients.
---TheSeg on 12/12/10

You know the answer, but what's your Point?
---Pharisee on 12/13/10

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