Jerry//Lee: Your religion is one of how much sin you can commit and still make it to heaven.
Unlike Adventism that holds one can be enabled to become righteous by observing the law with the help of the indwelling Holy Spirit to merit heaven, Christians believe there is a righteousness apart from the law that is credited to their account.
Romans 3:21-22 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets, Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Poor dumb blind Adventists do not realize that their effort to become righteous thru the law is futile.
---leej on 1/6/11|
From a purely secular standpoint, the day we go back to work is viewed as the first day of the week. And that would make Sunday, the 7th day.
However, for the Jewish calendar, Saturday is traditionally regarded as the 7th day, the Jewish Sabbath.
MarkV, we should not waste time in disputing what is fairly obvious. Howbeit, the Puritans in the Westminster confessions, believed that God has set aside 1 day out of 7 for worship making Sunday, the Lord's Day, the Christian Sabbath.
But I believe Calvin was correct in his interpretation of Scripture that the Jewish Sabbath was abrogated and not replaced by another Sabbath.
Romans 14:5-6 we may or may not esteem one day over others.
---leej on 1/6/11|
MarkV, In GENESIS it says that GOD created all in six days and on the seventh day He RESTED from His act of creating. He sanctified (made Holy, set it apart from the other days as a Holy Day) the following Seventh Day. He sanctified it THEN. And every successive week after that was patterned after the Creation Week. We are made in GOD's Image, so, we are, likewise, to do all of our work sometime during the first six days of the week, and then, REST from our labours on the Seventh Day. Now, go take a look at a calendar, AMERICAN calendar, and see which day is the seventh day. THAT is the day we are to regard as the Sabbath. From sundown Friday 'til sundown Saturday. For, GOD created the first 24-hour day with the Evening coming first.
---Gordon on 1/6/11|
Jerry - //Perhaps you missed it, but I quoted Mat 5:17-19. You teach men to break the Ten Commandments and that "the Law" has been eliminated for Christians.
If that is argument then you have to believe the church is yet under the Old Covenant laws. And you have to believe that the Jerusalem council Acts 15 was in err.
What I teach is that whoever loves his neighbor fulfills the law (Romans 13:9-10).
Sorry Hagarite, but the righteous live by faith, not by observing the law since the all the law does is reveal what sin is and our need for a Savior.
---leej on 1/6/11|
Mark, you do seem to get yourself in some mighty sticky discussions on these blogs don't you... & lots of the time they're not even what the question is all about... How does this keep happening to you? :-} Of course I've been in a few like that myself:-/ Maybe you & I just naturally draw the conflicting spirit out of people. Or maybe we have a flair for conversation, even if it is off the original subject a bit. But I digress, again... continue what you were saying, we're still reading:-}
---Reba on 1/6/11|
Gordon, you are telling me what I already know they did in the Old Testament, but you are not showing me any Scripture where God rested on Saturday. Or that He started creation on Sunday. Or that He ever said, "Make Saturday the Seventh day of the Sabbath." He did say work six days and the seventh is for the Sabbath. If the people wanted to work Wed. through Monday, then Tuesday would be the Seventh Day of the Sabbath. Also there were other Sabbaths that the Jews observed and they were not on Saturday. Their rules and laws we are not under. As Micha said, our rest is in Christ. Third, no one in the Old Testament was saved by keeping the whole Law. Only Christ kept the Law without sinning.
---Mark_V. on 1/6/11|
Lee: "Exactly what words of His do I fail to observe? New Testament book, chapter & verse please!"
Perhaps you missed it, but I quoted Mat 5:17-19. You teach men to break the Ten Commandments and that "the Law" has been eliminated for Christians.
On the authority of Jesus Himself, you are called "least" in the kingdom of heaven. What an honor!
---jerry6593 on 1/6/11|
MarkV, I just mentioned this in my last comment, but you must have missed it, so I'll state it here again: THE DAYS ARE AS THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN. THE DAYS HAVE NOT BEEN SWITCHED AROUND,....ONLY THE NAMES HAVE CHANGED. It's really very easy to understand. When Scripture (KJV) mentions the "first day of the week", that is the same day which we, nowaday, call "Sunday". Saturday would then be the Seventh Day, GOD's Sabbath Day.
---Gordon on 1/5/11|
MarkV, The Commands I'm speaking of are what are commonly called the "Ten Commandments". And, yes, we can keep those Commands. The HOLY SPIRIT enables us to do so. We just have to want to. If you sin a sin that you know is wrong, then, you did it because you wanted to. But, GOD promises us a way of escape from the temptation to sin. We just have to want to not sin badly enough. So, yes, WE CAN keep the Commands of GOD. To live in Love and Truth. Which is what the Ten Commands stand for. Loving GOD (including honouring His Sabbath), and then, loving our neighbour as ourselves. So, it's not true to say we can't keep His "Commands", when we have His HOLY SPIRIT to enable us to do so.
---Gordon on 1/5/11|
Jerry //Lee: If Jesus were your guide, you would observe His words.
Exactly what words of His do I fail to observe? New Testament book, chapter & verse please!
In quoting Mt. 5:17 you are really saying that the church is still under the laws of the Old Covenant and that the Jerusalem council Acts 15 erred when they did not require Gentiles to become circumcised and observe the laws of Moses (Sabbath observance & dietary laws are among them).
Yes we can see you detest the teachers the Lord has given to the early church since virtually none of them agree with unique Adventists beliefs.
---leej on 1/5/11|
Jerry - but if you pitch adherence to the law you are under a curse.
Gal. 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse, for it is written, Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them. Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for The righteous shall live by faith. But the law is not of faith, rather The one who does them shall live by them.
So what you are advocating in observing the Jewish Sabbath, the Levitical dietary laws, is that one should come under a curse.
Shameless child of Hagar, when will you ever come to Christ and into the truth?
---leej on 1/5/11|
In answer to the original question not the Sabbath one YES and YES.I have seen souls come to Jesus through miracle testimonies.
---shirley on 1/5/11|
Sabbath (rest) is not something you do, it is a place you are at (enter in): A constant state of knowing it is not by our works that we are saved but by the finished work of the only One who could, so we have our sabbath (rest) in Him and have ceased (rested) from our trying to be good enough and let Christ produce fruit of good works through us for His glory. We all need to quit trying, just rest, and let the Spirit guide us.
---micha9344 on 1/5/11|
Gordon, I have no problem with the Sabbath. I have a problem when everyone mentions the Seventh Day God rested, was a Saturday. God didn't say He rested on Saturday. He only says He rested on the Seventh Day. And no where does He tell the people that the Sabbath was on a Saturday. I looked and looked and could not find God saying that. Once Saturday became the Seventh Day, it became Law. People were killed for not doing Saturday. But we are not under the Law, our rest is in Christ Jesus. We still do the Sabbath but we can do it everyday, there is no more condemnation to those in Christ. Those not in Christ are still under the Law and must keep everyone of them, and they cannot, the reason they are condemn.
---Mark_V. on 1/5/11|
Lee: Your religion is one of how much sin you can commit and still make it to heaven. If you loved God, you would at least try to obey Him, rather than being an envoy for His enemy.
Your guide is not Jesus but shameless pagan Early Church Fathers.
Mat 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Sabbath worship is in the first set of the two. Now that you're educated, perhaps you'll stop the silly Sabbath = "love thy neighbor" ruse.
---jerry6593 on 1/5/11|
Lee: If Jesus were your guide, you would observe His words.
Mat 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
I wonder what the heavenly beings are saying about YOU right now.
---jerry6593 on 1/5/11|
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Gordon //The Scriptures do not even say that YAHUSHUA (Christ) arose from the Tomb on Sunday.
Howbeit, virtually all the early church writers testify to the fact that Jesus was resurrected on Sunday. I believe they were close enough to the source, that we can believe their testimony.
---leej on 1/4/11|
MarkV, Regarding the 7th Day Sabbath. Read these Verses: GENESIS 2:2-3. This is when GOD first made the 7th Day HOLY and He set it apart from the other days of the week. It was HIS Day of Rest, after His six days of creating. Read EXODUS 20:10-11. Here GOD reinstates, on Two Stone Tablets, His Holy Sabbath Day which He also made for mankind. In ACTS 13:14-44 we read several times the Church gathered on the Sabbath...AFTER...the Resurrection of YAHUSHUA. A DISTINCTION is made here between the "first day of the week"(Sunday)and the "Sabbath" (last day of the week). There has been no "switching around" of the week days at sometime in the past. The days have always been as they are now. Only the names have changed.
---Gordon on 1/4/11|
Leej, The Scriptures do not even say that YAHUSHUA (Christ) arose from the Tomb on Sunday. What they say is "On the first day of the week, when the Lord (YAHUSHUA) was risen...". That is simply another way of saying "On Sunday morning, when YAHUSHUA was in His risen state..." When He was ALREADY RISEN, He went about, in that risen state or condition, and did such-and-such. Because YAHUSHUA declared that He, like Jonah in the great fish, would be in the Heart of the Earth for THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS. The common teaching of the Sunday Church that YAHUSHUA was "crucified on Friday and arose again on the following Sunday morning" does not add up to a full Three Days and Three Nights.
---Gordon on 1/4/11|
//MarkV - The Jewish calendar was established after the Hebrews left Egypt.
Exodus 12:2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the 1st month of the year to you.
And thus the 7th day Sabbath was established for the very time.
Mt 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Since Christ arose on Sunday morning, the 2 women came to the tomb.
Howbeit, Jerry has yet to point to a single scripture that commands Christians to observe the Jewish Sabbath, he totally ignores Romans 14:5f
And that is the problem with being a follower of Ellen White instead of Jesus.
---leej on 1/3/11|
Jerry - I am not comfortable being in disobedience to my Lord in anything.
But what you ask of us is to observe laws not applicable to the Christian walk.
As the risk of repeating this and having what Christians should believe fall on the closed eyes. What happens if I do only what the Lord ask of me?
Romans 13:9-10 The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal,not covet, and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Of course, this is not the 'gospel' according to the children of Hagar from Mt. Sinai with Ellen White as the mouthpiece.
---leej on 1/3/11|
Jerry //Many more useless words,
To you are found in Romans 13:9-10
The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, not covet,and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. For love of neighbor FULFILLS the LAW.
And what does the Jewish Sabbath have to do with love of neighbor?
If Jerry answers 'nothing', he has the right answer.
When Christians ask where is there a command to observe the Jewish Sabbath, Adventists have no answer.
And when you point them to Romans 14 about what day one must observe, or what one may or may not eat, they have again have no answer.
Their guide is not Jesus but shameless Ellen White.
---leej on 1/3/11|
Gordon //You quote "...the just shall live by Faith..." Just what kind of life are the Faithful ones supposed to live?
Maybe not the best answer but what comes to mine is -
Ga 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
//What should it look like day-to-day?
The Christians being filled with God's Spirit will exhibit the fruit of the Spirit in his life.
Gal. 5:22f But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control, ..
appreciate yours & others view on this.
---leej on 1/3/11|
Leej, My point about the Blood of the Covenants is that, as the Scriptures declare, "...without the shedding of Blood, there is no remission (of sin)." If you do not have the Blood to atone for sin, be it the temporary animal blood or the Permanant Blood of GOD's Son, than everything else of the Covenant(s) mean nothing. The Ten Commandments are a PART of the two Covenants, and are called "covenants" in the Scripture, but they are not the heart and centrality of the Covenants. The Blood is. For, only by the shedding of Blood can Forgiveness be obtained. And, if one does not have Forgiveness, they will never enter Heaven. Only Hell is left.
---Gordon on 1/3/11|
Leej, You quote that "...the just shall live by Faith..." Just what kind of life are the Faithful ones supposed to live? What should it look like day-to-day?
---Gordon on 1/3/11|
Jerry, more talk but no answers to my questions. Why is that? Show me in Scripture where God said Saturday was the Sabbath. Just one passage.
---Mark_V. on 1/3/11|
Lee: Many more useless words, but you still haven't faced the result of your decision to disobey. Let's try it another way.
1. Are you comfortable worshipping other gods?
2. Are you comfortable worshiping idols?
3. Are you comfortable taking the Lord's name in vain?
4. We know you are comfortable forgetting the Sabbath day.
5. Are you comfortable dishonoring your parents?
6. Are you comfortable committing murder?
7. Are you comfortable committing adultery?
8. Are you comfortable stealing?
9. You seem comfortable lying.
10. Are you envious of your neighbors property/wife?
Get the picture now?
---jerry6593 on 1/3/11|
Gordon //The "Ten Commandments" were not the old covenant.
Ex 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights, he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
De 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments, and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
All else in the Old Covenant (i.e. the Mosaic or Sinaitic covenant) were peripheral to the Ten Commandments.
---leej on 1/2/11|
//Jerry More obfuscation - no answer!
What is MORE IMPORTANT? That which God wrote with His finger, or that which came from His mouth?
In pitiching obedience to the Old Covenant laws you are effectively asking Christian to come under a curse.
Galatians 3:10 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
And Jerry, no one can fully obey all the law given on Mt. Sinai, nor are we asked to.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
---leej on 1/2/11|
//Lee: More obfuscation - no answer! Again I ask, what other Commandments that God has written WITH HIS OWN FINGER are you comfortable in breaking?
I think you will find that like many Christians that love the Lord and attempt to obey Him, that I obey all the commandments that are applicable to the Christian life.
But such things as the command to be circumcised - the entry rite into Judaism -I do not obey as it was not commanded of His church. But if you become circumcised, you are obligated to obey all the laws that are strictly Jewish, including the Jewish Sabbath and the dietary laws.
---leej on 1/2/11|
Leej, The "Ten Commandments" were not the old covenant. The source of the old and New Covenants are the two Blood Sources. The temporary animal blood (O.T.) and the Eternal Blood of YAHUSHUA (JESUS-N.T.). The Ten Commandments serve more as "Wedding Vows" between GOD and his true followers. But, you are right, the 4th Commandment of "Remembering the (7th Day) Sabbath..." does not deal with loving one's neighbour as one's self. It's a Commandment that deals with LOVING GOD. Honouring HIS Holy Sabbath Day. Sabbath was made for man, but, it's for man to reciprocate it back to the GOD Who created it, in honour of HIM. All true followers of GOD are SPIRITUAL JEWS. Read the N.T. Epistles!
---Gordon on 1/2/11|
Lee: More obfuscation - no answer! Again I ask, what other Commandments that God has written WITH HIS OWN FINGER are you comfortable in breaking?
---jerry6593 on 1/2/11|
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As to tremendous or personal miracles, we are told not to throw our pearls before swine but we may use such experiences to relate how Christ has involved himself in our lives as His Spirit may direct us.
Jerry - as to the 10 commandmets (viewed as ministry of death & condemnation written on stone, 2 Cor. 3:7,9), my stand is reflected in Romans 13:9-10 that love of neighbor is the fulfillment of the law.
The Sabbath commandment has nothing nothing to do with love of neighbor.
The 10 commandments is the Old Covenant according to Ex. 34:28, Deut. 4:13 and Hebrews 8 tells us that covenant passed away with the destruction of the temple.
Howbeit, if you want to play religion and act like your Jewish, then do so.
---leej on 1/1/11|
Jerry6593, Excellent points, Brother! Well Versed! And the line of Distinction will be drawn further when the Anti-Christ comes and the satanic "7 Laws of Noah" become mandatory. Obeying and disobeying the true (7th Day) Sabbath will cost some lives in more ways than one.
---Gordon on 1/1/11|
Lee: "There are over 600 commands or commandments in the Bible." Are you really that dense or did you miss the part about "written with God's own finger"? God only wrote TEN Commandments with His own finger. Again I ask, what other Commandments that God has written WITH HIS OWN FINGER are you comfortable in breaking? And no, the irrelevant bashing of a long-dead woman is not an answer to my question.
---jerry6593 on 1/1/11|
Mima, I think it depends on how you tell about the miracle. If God gets all the glory & credit I feel it can be a great encouragement to others in their walk with the LORD. However, if there was a source/person(like a church) involved & you point that fact out, they get the attention & glory instead of God. Testimonies are ALWAYS a good thing to share if God is the only one who gets the praise for the blessing.
---Reba on 12/31/10|
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//Just curious, what other Commandments that God has written with His own finger are you comfortable in breaking?
There are over 600 commands or commandments in the Bible. Why are you limiting yourself to the Old Testament commands (commandments) given only to the Jewish nation?
Adventists love the law but have chosen to ignore grace & truth.
Joh 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
---leej on 12/31/10|
//You anti-Law guys sure are a weak bunch of biblical/history scholars!
Get real! Olde Ellen White did not even know that the Eastern Orthodox Church, and other Apostolic churches even existed. If she did, she may have realized that they did not not not not observe the Jewish Sabbath and that from the early first century.
You Adventists must be forbidden to read church history as you can find nothing nothing nothing in early church history that will support your errant viewpoints.
Even the Scripture testified against Adventism -Slave children of Hagar!
---leej on 12/31/10|
Barnes Notes on Rev. 1:10, the Lord's Day-
if the Jewish Sabbath were intended to be designated, the word Sabbath would have been used. The term was used generally by the early Christians to denote the first day of the week. It occurs twice in the Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians, (about A.D. 101,) who calls the Lords day "the queen and prince of all days." Chrysostom (on Psalms 119) says, "It was called the Lords day because the Lord rose from the dead on that day."
---leej on 12/31/10|
Leej: The term 'the Lord's day' (in GReek the word is the same as Sunday in English) also appears in Revelation (1:10) - certainly written in the first century AD
---peter3594 on 12/31/10|
Strange how this blog has morphed into a "bash the Sabbath" blog - and, for the record, I didn't start it. You anti-Law guys sure are a weak bunch of biblical/history scholars! The Sabbath was instituted at creation, retaught to the newly-freed Hebrew slaves in the lesson of the manna, written in stone with God's finger at Mt. Sinai, and kept by Jesus and ALL His disciples, and will be kept in the New Earth. The ONLY issue for you should be: Has the weekly sequence changed since the time of Christ? You could check with any bona fide astronomical observatory, or you can remain willingly ignorant.
Just curious, what other Commandments that God has written with His own finger are you comfortable in breaking?
---jerry6593 on 12/31/10|
moses, I believe you need to study yourself to find the Truth. God never mentioned Saturday but the Seventh Day, and that was to Israel who was under the Law, but we are not under the Law, but under Grace. Everyday is the Lords Day. For He lives within us. Maybe you are of Israel and under the Law, then you must do Saturday as those people did and are still doing.
Until they get saved, they are under the condemnation of the Law.
---Mark_V. on 12/31/10|
moses //now the holy roman church changed that alng time ago stude this and you will see it and they did this to show they had power over his word,
stude and you will find the truth
The truth was not not provided by Ellen White who, if you have read the various posts, was totally unaware of the existence of the Eastern Orthodox Churches, the Coptic Church (Egypt), the Nestorian churches, and other Apostolic churches which were never under the control of Rome. And they did not not observe the Jewish Sabbath.
Romans 14:5f tells us one need not observe the OT Sabbath and it also tells us we may eat whatever we consider food.
---leej on 12/31/10|
well the saturday sabbath was YHWH day put in by him as a day of worship, and his greatest command was to remember the sabbath.
now the holy roman church changed that alng time ago stude this and you will see it and they did this to show they had power over his word,
stude and you will find the truth
---moses on 12/30/10|
\\It is likely that you are unholy seven days a week, but that doesn't change the fact that God only made one day holy - the seventh-day Sabbath.\\
Only God knows when I'm being unholy, and I really doubt if He tells you.
And of which day is Christ NOT the Lord?
---Cluny on 12/30/10|
The first undisputed reference to Lord's Day is in the apocryphal Gospel of Peter, probably written about the middle of the second century or perhaps the first half of that century. The Gospel of Peter 35 and 50 use kyriake as the name for the first day of the week, the day of Jesus' resurrection. That the author referred to Lord's Day in an apocryphal gospel purportedly written by St. Peter indicates that the term kyriake was very widespread and had been in use for some time.
Adventists clearly cannot maintain that the Lord's was is Saturday, it fails the test of history.
---leej on 12/30/10|
What Jerry does not understand is that the jewish calendar begin with Moses.
Exodus 12:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying,
This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
So we may conclude that the 7th day week was unknown at the time, and the Sabbath was arbitrary chosen to be the 7th day.
In any case, even Jerry has to admit that there is no command in the Bible for Christians to observe any day. Romans 14 is very explicit on that issue.
---leej on 12/30/10|
Jerry, you said,
"Besides, you never provided any Scripture where God said that Sunday was the Lord's Day."
Did you ever hear me say the Lord's day was on Sunday? Israel picked Saturday, and Christians picked Sunday. God never picked Saturday. You said,
"The Bible does indeed call "the seventh day" the Sabbath instituted by God Himself."
I agree but never said the seventh day was a Saturday. God gave the commands for Israel, and Israel choose Saturday as the Sabbath. And since we are not Israel the Christian church choose Sunday. But under grace everyday is the Lord's Day. For you only Saturday's is the Lord's Day.
---Mark_V. on 12/30/10|
Cluny: "Please let us know on which day of the week we can be UNHOLY." It is likely that you are unholy seven days a week, but that doesn't change the fact that God only made one day holy - the seventh-day Sabbath.
For the record:
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
---jerry6593 on 12/30/10|
\\Besides, you never provided any Scripture where God said that Sunday was the Lord's Day.
---jerry6593 on 12/29/10\\
And you've not proven where it isn't.
Please let us know on which day of the week we can be UNHOLY.
---Cluny on 12/29/10|
MarkV: "Jerry, I can open the Bible and know that your Saturday Sabbath was brought on by man and not God"
The Bible does indeed call "the seventh day" the Sabbath instituted by God Himself. If you really cared to find out what day of the week that is called today, you would open a dictionary, etc. to find out: Or, you might try deciding what day falls between Crucifixion Friday and Resurrection Sunday. But you won't, because you are willingly ignorant of the facts and want to stay that way.
Besides, you never provided any Scripture where God said that Sunday was the Lord's Day.
---jerry6593 on 12/29/10|
\\You appear to be the only person on earth who is incapable of opening a dictionary, encyclopedia or internet browser and discovering that Saturday is indeed the Seventh Day Sabbath!\\
But Gentiles have never been bound to the Saturday Sabbath observance.
In any case, the commandment was not about worship--because services were held twice daily in the Tabernacle, Temples, and still are in traditional synagogues--but about REST FROM LABOR, an enforced rest that extended even to one's slaves and farm animals.
And since Christ has come, what day do we get to keep in an unholy and profane manner?
---Cluny on 12/29/10|
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Jerry, I can open the Bible and know that your Saturday Sabbath was brought on by man and not God. That is very clear, and since you never provided any Scripture where God said Saturday was going to be the Sabbath, the only book necessary to find out this truths is Holy Scripture. Because the fact is that God never mentions anywhere on what day He begin creation, and what day He rested, only that it was the seventh day. So I believe that been a pen-pal to you will not give me that information.
---Mark_V. on 12/28/10|
Share it with others, for your testimony may bring others to the Lord or increaase their faith in the Lord.
---Eloy on 12/28/10|
MarkV: As always, I was on topic, but you bring up the issue of the Sabbath and SDAs. You appear to be the only person on earth who is incapable of opening a dictionary, encyclopedia or internet browser and discovering that Saturday is indeed the Seventh Day Sabbath! I discuss the errors in your belief system from a biblical perspective - not by name-calling of your denomination as you and Lee do. I even use my CN PenPal name (as instructed) so you can contact me directly if you like: But you and Lee don't.
---jerry6593 on 12/28/10|
Jerry, I really do not care how I appear to others on line, since many are not even of the body of Christ. Those who are know that I speak for no denomination like you an others. That is not my purpose for been on line. It is to debate Scripture with those who love the Word of God and want to express what they know about the Truth. I put it down and they can do what they want. I do not have to be able to read minds to know your purpose mainly is for the Saturday Sabbath, and want for everyone to be under the law. That is your main agenda. You do answer other questions but you do most of your talking for SDA's and condemn those who do not want to be under the Law. How do I know? I have read your response to Leej and so many others.
---Mark_V. on 12/27/10|
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"Jerry my answer was good. You just wanted to cause trouble. You saw my answer and couldn't help yourself, it is your nature. Jerry, when people speak, they lie many times."
I copied your words exactly, yet you infer that I am "distorting" your view. Meanwhile, you again claim to know my thinking and my "nature". Do you have any idea how phoney you appear to others?
---jerry6593 on 12/26/10|
Jerry my answer was good. You just wanted to cause trouble. You saw my answer and couldn't help yourself, it is your nature.
Jerry, when people speak, they lie many times. When God speaks He never lies. When you speak you also lie many times. You think you are telling the truth but you are not. People tend to add things they think will help others but in the process they are not telling all the Truth when they give their testimonies. I heard that Jesus was at someone's house have a good talk with someone on line, and Jesus was in a hurry so had to leave because He was not done building mansions in heaven" Now you might think that is ok, and you might believe it, but I don't think many here will. Distorting the story is very common.
---Mark_V. on 12/21/10|
MarkV: "the only bad thing is that many who give testimonies add things that did not happen in order to encourage others."
What a distorted view of of people! I'd hate to live with such a cynical mind. Anyone who calls himself a Christian should be able to relate many TRUE incidents of God's miraculous intervention in their lives.
---jerry6593 on 12/18/10|
David makes a good point.Hearing of miracles that happen to ordinary people does not make a believer out of a non-believer, but it can make a non-believer want to know more.
I just wish more people would testify about God's intervention in their lives that doesn't involve physical or financial miracles.
He sometimes performs miracles between parties in inter-personal
relationships. I've known Him to suddenly change my mind about something that I previously proclaimed I'd never change. Those of us who have been Christians for many years may even forget what a MIRACLE the new birth is. I like to hear from new Christians how Christ has changed their lives.
---Donna66 on 12/17/10|
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I have seen many miracles. One was when I got saved. What a miracle. My brother got a piece of streak stuck in his throat. Had surgery and they found a tumor in his stomach. That God for steak. My sister went in for a simple procedure and went into cardiac arrest. She had to have a valve replacement. Thank God for small procedures that saved her life. I had thyroid removed and was sick for months. My pastor annointed me with oil and 2 days later I found my answer. Armour thyroid. Saved my life. Synthroid did not work for me. It made me sicker and sicker. God performs miracles everyday if we would look for them. Sometimes people just think it is coincidence but with God there is no such.
---shira3877 on 12/17/10|
I believe testimonies are good for believers who are struggling in life with certain problems, the only bad thing is that many who give testimonies add things that did not happen in order to encourage others. They have a good purpose behind what they say, but adding things that did not happen is deceiving others. Testimonies are not good for anyone lost for they don't save anyone. Only the Truth of the Gospel saves. Any other story is not gospel because it comes from man, sinful at that, only God's Word is from God. Many boast when giving a story. He does not need anyone to make stories in order to save anyone. He brings them to life, and He saves them by Grace through faith.
---Mark_V. on 12/17/10|
If you tell people of the greatest miracle that can ever happen (salvation) how many believe or understand what you are talking about.
---michael_e on 12/17/10|
Even the most ardent of Non-believers, at one time or another, has the hope that there is something more than what they see in this world.
And, I was one of them.
We were all Non-believers at one time or another, and I know those who shared these Stories of Miracles with me, did not make me believe in God, but they did cause me to hope that there was a God, and it was this Hope that caused me to seek the Truth.
---David on 12/17/10|
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Like I said before, it is wise to ask the Holy Spirit FIRST before sharing. Let's say God healed you of cancer, and you go to a church that does not believe that healing is for today - they will tell you that you are wrong and to sit down and shut up. Now let's say you go to a church that believes in healing for today - you give your testimony, and they apploud you and say "Praise the Lord". Two different responses, therefore, ask the Holy Spirit BEFORE you share.
---Leslie on 12/15/10|
With faith from God, what miracles are you hoping to see or boast? Paul reminds us, "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe." 1 Corinthians 14:22
A Christian live by faith, and this is faith as Paul declares - "While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal." 2 Corinthians 4:18
---christan on 12/15/10|
Christ told the people he healed to to tell other of the event. And modern people should do so as well.
This was only a secondary feature of Christ and Christ did not want to be know as just another miracle man because that is not why he was here. The important reason his death on the cross and his subsequent resurrection and the promise of eternal life after the resurrection of the dead. Christ purpose was to pay the price so that God' chosen elect could be adopted into the family of God. any thing else he accomplished was secondary to that.
---Blogger9211 on 12/15/10|
After reading Jerry's answer I was pondering what to do. Then while looking through other posts(the one about being slain in spirit) I suddenly received a more complete understanding of what happens when a person is slain in the spirit. This knowledge is so devastating to some that I question whether or not I should post it.
---mima on 12/14/10|
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Of course! This is the true essence of Christian witnessing - your first-person account of God's benevolence toward you. This kind of testimony carries more weight for the salvation of souls than a hundred sermons.
Mar 5:19 Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee.
---jerry6593 on 12/14/10|
How can you ever go wrong bragging on God? God Bless, Paul
---paul on 12/13/10|
OH how to keep silent? Will not the rocks cry out? This is what it's all about in my opinion, sure, it'll grow your faith and personally edify you but there's a world of people out there who won't believe anything until they have been given evidence. Even then most of them were just talking a good game and will harden their hearts. The one you find who's different is all the justification needed in your action. I think it should be made known.
---Pharisee on 12/13/10|
Some will listen and receive what you tell them and others will think you are deluded. It all depends on the persons religious foundation,what they have been taught to believe in about such things. Remember we are warned not to cast our pearls before the swine,miracles are Spiritual pearls of great and precious price. A treasure to those who are blessed by God's move upon their body or life. You must know who you are telling and what their leanings toward miracles happen to be. Saying a prayer,before you share,for God's leading will keep you on the right track. Move only as God shows you.
---Darlene_1 on 12/13/10|
Tell it. God wraps His power in your testimony to duplicate it in someone else's life.
---Linda on 12/13/10|
Discretion should be used. Jesus told us not to cast our pearls before swine, or give what is holy to the dogs.
Remember there were some people Jesus healed who were instructed to be silent about it.
---Cluny on 12/13/10|
Boast of the greatness of God,Boast of HIS,works, mercy,glory and grace
---kevin5443 on 12/13/10|