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Christmas Tree Burning Bush

I just finished decorating my Christmas tree and it reminds me of God's burning bush in Scripture. Surely the Christmas tree, for Christians, represents God's redemptive power for all believers in Him. What say you?

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David, Here are the holy scriptures which you have wrongly said that I am not able to provide, clearly stating the Holy Day of Christmas, which is only a pagan day to the NonChristians: Genesis 49:10+ Isaiah 7:14+ 8:10,14+ 9:6,7+ 12:4,5+ 28:16+ 53:2+ 66:7,10+ Jeremiah 23:5,6+ Micah 5:2+ Heggai 2:15,18,19+ Matthew 1:18- 3:17+ Luke 1- 2:39+ John 1:10-14+ Romans 1:3,4+ 13:7+ I Timothy 1:17+ 3:16+ Revelation 12:5.
---Eloy on 12/21/10


The pagans have been silenced by clear scriptural teachings denouncing the decorating of trees as seen in God's word at Jeremiah 10:1-4. The pagan has no further excuses to push.

"May false lips become speechless,
That are speaking against the righteous one, unrestrainedly in haughtiness and contempt"- Psalms 31:18.

These pagans masquerading as 'Christian' profane the name of Jesus Christ and AlmightyGod. They do not have any scriptures from God's word to back their pagan December 25 orgy, only their 'unrestrained haughtiness and contempt'.

True Christians will not be partaking of the December 25 pagan Mithra-mas festival.
---David8318 on 12/20/10


In sharp contrast to Paul,and the Apostles, who would argue facts for facts.

It's always the case that those who either belong to a CULT or are HERETICS. Would predictably just blog out a line from scripture that are supposed to make them feel "holier than thou" and relieve their consience concerning their Ignorance and Blasphemy of the Truth.

These Heretics posting would like to believe they are Prophets and above explaination to the "Unenlighten"

But everyone knows(including these Heretics) that they are WRONG!

And in this case they would be....

DEAD WRONG!!!

GOD WILL NOT BE MOCK!!! HE WILL SEND HERETICS AND BLASPHEMORS TO THE DARKEST PART OF HELL ITSELF!!!
---John on 12/20/10


Eloy- you are unable to use God's word to show where Christians are instructed to celebrate Jesus' birth on your pagan holy-day December 25. You can't because true Christians do not use a pagan calendar in their worship.

Your futile use of Haggai 2:18 has been exposed as grossly misleading and completely misunderstood by you. Ezra the eyewitness reports the foundation of Jehovah's temple was laid in the '2nd month'- Ezr.3:8,10. Haggai was writing 17 years later making his declaration on the '24th day of the 9th month' to the Jews to get on with temple reconstruction (Hag.2:18).

Eloy- you are out of your depth and out of scriptures. December 25 is Mithra-mas and nothing to do with Jesus Christ.
---David8318 on 12/20/10


We do not have a Christmas tree or any kind of tree for that matter for many reasons.
First we rent an apartment,so in case something happened we do not have renters insurance, so no tree.
two:we do not need to spend money on a tree for a few weeks of adoring when we can use the money for basic needs for our family.
three: Christ was born somewhere in September so our family doesn't celebrate the yearly christmas.We do however remember our families that our heavenly father provided for us, & happy when and if they can travel to see us.
---Candice on 12/20/10




Leslie ... that's all a bit over the top.

I have never heard of a Christmas tree being carved

& do you realise that pagans ate chickens, beef, lambs, pigs, corn, potatoes, carrots, & drank water much longer ago than 2000 years.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/20/10


Eloy:

Even if Jesus was born on December 25, the Roman Empire (including Palestine) used the Julian calendar (Julius Caesar introduced it in 46BC).

We currently use the Gregorian calendar (introduced by Pope Gregory XIII in 1592), an updated version of the Julian calendar that corrects for drift of about 1 day ever 130 years.

From 1900-2100, the calendars differ by 13 days, so Julian Dec. 25 falls on our Jan. 7.

This is complicated further because Julian leap years were at first erroneously observed every 3 years, so Augustus fixed this by skipping 3 leap days by A.D. 8. If Jesus was born on Dec. 25 in 4-5AD, that would be equivalent to Jan. 9-10 on our calendar.
---StrongAxe on 12/20/10


Squabble, squabble, squabble, says the NonChristian. NonChristian not celebrating Christ is your loss, but we Christians celebrating Christ is our gain. Christian, you continue to rightly celebrate Christ on Christmas. And you NonChristian, you will continue to do wahtever you NOnChristians do on Christ's birthday, for we Christians will continue to worship Christ the Savior as commanded inspite of all of your dissings to the contrary.
---Eloy on 12/20/10


Squabble, squabble, squabble, says the NonChristian. NonChristian not celebrating Christ is your loss, but we Christians celebrating Christ is our gain. Christian, you continue to rightly celebrate Christ on Christmas. And you NonChristian, you will continue to do whatever you NonChristians do on Christ's birthday, for we Christians will continue to worship Christ the Savior as commanded inspite of all of your dissings to the contrary.
---Eloy on 12/20/10


alan8566 of uk and cluny - You both ARE decieved and are decieving others. In Jer. 10:3-5 - cut a tree out of the forest (how do some get Christmas trees?), craftsman shapes with a chisel (Christmas trees are shaped into that shape), adorn it with silver and gold (is this how we decorate a Christmas tree), fasten it with hammer and nails so it won't totter (is this the x base of the tree to keep it proped up?), talking about idols that do not speak (can a tree speak?) - if this is not describing a Christmas tree, what is it describing?
---Leslie on 12/20/10




My sentiments exactly, Leon.
---Cluny on 12/20/10


Okay Cluny: Here we are at the TIME OF THE YEAR wherein we celebrate Christmas. You guys ~ oh boy!!!

:)

---Leon on 12/20/10


"Answer not a fool according to his silliness, that you also be like him: Answer a fool according to his foolishness, that he be wise in his own conceit [imagination, mind]." (Pv. 26:4-5)
---Leon on 12/19/10


\\ Here we are at Christmas "time" seeking to recognize & celebrate the birth of our Savior,\\

Christmas does not START until 25 December.

It's still Advent.
---Cluny on 12/19/10


Leon believes a Christmas tree represents 'God's redemptive power'. This is pure pagan propaganda! Again a pagan's attempt to pervert God's word and mislead people into the seriously dangerous pagan cult worship that is growing rapidly.

It is well known that a tree to the pagan is an ancient phallic symbol the decorating by pagan heathens of which predates Chritianity (although I'm sure Leon will deny all knowledge).

Jehovah God warns his people:

"Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen... For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest... They deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not"- Jer.10:1-4 (KJV).
---David8318 on 12/19/10


I hear you Cluny! I feel sorry for the pharisaical yo-yos on this blog who talk real loud & say absolutely nothing of contextual consequence. Here we are at Christmas "time" seeking to recognize & celebrate the birth of our Savior, & all they want to do is make Jesus' birth a bone of contention. Well, that dog won't hunt so let them bark their...heads off!

Like I originally said, my Christmas tree "reminds me" of God's burning bush & that's my focus, & it has nothing to do with idolatry as some twisted bloggers presuppose :)
---Leon on 12/19/10


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Well, Cluny then you agree the Orthodox Church is in Heresy concerning the Birth of Christ.

Now that you have been enlighten to that fact. I assume you are now going to make a decision on who you will be following....
them or HIM!!!

Your choice....
HIS JUDGEMENT!!!
---John on 12/19/10


Aaaaa Eloy! Just when "exactly" (month, day, year) was Christ born?
---Leon on 12/19/10


BTW Cluny you never did give me any answers at all. So I don't know what you are even refering to.

I never got any answer!
---John on 12/19/10


\\ We could, for instance, start next year celebrating His birth Jan. 2nd & the following year Feb. 3rd..\\

Actually, on the Old Calendar (don't ask), Nativity is on 7 January. The Armenian Apostolic Church observes the solemnity of the Incarnation on 6 January or 19 January.

And for Pre-Reformation Christians, the Nativity season doesn't really end until 2 February with the Presentation of Christ (aka Meeting).

John, I've answered your questions as best as I can. My conscience is clear.
---Cluny on 12/19/10


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Leon, more lies, scripture tells us exactly when Christ was born, and I have posted this time and again, but people have eyes which do not see, and minds that refuse light, and hearts which are stony.
---Eloy on 12/19/10


Leon- that's the whole point. Christians don't use any date from the pagan calendar to honour or remember Jesus. Christians are not bound by 'dates and seasons'. You however are. Christians do not celebrate Jesus' birth because Jesus never instructed his followers to do so. Even if the Bible did have the exact date, Christians would not celebrate his birth unless instructed to.

But associating December 25 with Jesus' birth is a red herring and a facade- a ploy to give December 25 credence. You can't move your date to any other time of the year because December 25 is your holiest of dates on your pagan calendar.

Underneath the thin 'Christian' veneer you have on is a fully fledged, fully paid up member of the pagan brigade.
---David8318 on 12/19/10


John:

"Have you stopped beating your wife?" is the classical example of a yes/no question that cannot be answered properly.

If you say "yes", you are guilty of having beaten your wife in the past. If you say "no", you are guilty of beating her now. If you have no wife, you can neither answer "yes" nor "no". The question itself contains an implication that it does not give you room to refute (i.e. that you do, indeed, have a wife).

Many other people ask similar yes/no questions that similarly cannot be answered with a simple yes or no.

As for your 5 questions, the answers to these questions must necessarily come from extra-biblical sources, just as church traditions do.
---StrongAxe on 12/19/10


"Christ"mass is PAGAN, plain and simple. It is IDOLATRY. To celebrate and practice this old pagan custom is a sin. It is breaking the First Commandment.
---June_Taylor on 12/19/10


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Sounds like you are stalling Cluny. Hoping to run up the posts to 75, so you can hide and avoid what you cannot answer. If you are so right, then why fear being wrong.
Lest you are engaged in Heresy and know it full well!

Know then that G-d will NOT be mock, nor will he play games with you.

It seems the emperor has no clothes.

Enough stall tactics and please answer!

---John on 12/18/10


Hey guys: Obviously, it's not meant for us to know "exactly" when Jesus was born. At best, all we can say with absolute certainty is HE WAS BORN IN TIME!

Would you naysayers be happy if Christians chose to celebrate Jesus' birth on different months & days each year? We could, for instance, start next year celebrating His birth Jan. 2nd & the following year Feb. 3rd...March 4th...Apr. 5th, etc. No doubt, we'll still call the celebration CHRIST-MAS to remember when God (Emmanuel) came in the flesh to be with us.

The day & month Jesus was born is irrelevant. Naysayers are barking up the wrong TREE! What's vitally important is that Jesus was born so "we all" can be BORN AGAIN! :)
---Leon on 12/19/10


\\NOW ANSWER "ALL" MY QUESTIONS ON BOTH POSTS!!!
---John on 12/18/10\\

Only if you can prove what you believe on all five questions on the basis of Biblical data alone, which is the rule you set up for me.
---Cluny on 12/18/10


John, I'll answer your questions when you answer mine with a simple yes or no.

Have you not yet stopped beating your wife?

Fair is fair.
---Cluny on 12/18/10

No Cluny, they're not the same questions.

They are very straight forward questions which you are afraid to answer, because you must decide between Glorifying and honoring your Patriarch/Church Heresies, or Gloryfying and Honoring Jesus The Christ and admit your Pagan Church is Heretical. So we are ALL waiting for your Biblical proof concerning these questions I asked.

Lets play your game as well...

Your answer is....

I not even married, so therefore I have NO wife to beat.

NOW ANSWER "ALL" MY QUESTIONS ON BOTH POSTS!!!
---John on 12/18/10


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John, I'll answer your questions when you answer mine with a simple yes or no.

Have you not yet stopped beating your wife?

Fair is fair.
---Cluny on 12/18/10


So Cluny you have attempted to Squirmed and Dodged Questions 2 & 3

So (as you always insist on others) Please List your sources for your answers on 1, 4, and 5.

In the case of your answer on #5. Please give us the scriptural reference to this answer.

If you can't, then it is fair to say you are defending the Doctrines of Pagan Tradition as if it were Doctrines of Scripture(i.e G-d).

Now what is that called???
oh yes....

HERESY!!!
---John on 12/18/10


alan8566_of_uk - "the question is irrelevant"

Your inability to see relevance does not make something irrelevant. I would argue there are numerous historicly & theologically relevant connections between Xmas trees ( & other Xmas decorations) and the worship of false gods.
---AG on 12/18/10


Cluny, I'm interested in your complex explanation of YAHUSHUA (JESUS) being born in "late December". You may be able to explain it as a condensed version in maybe two sections of 125 words or less each. There is more conclusion that YAHUSHUA was born in mid-September. That was the time of the Messianic Feast of Tabernacles "Sukkot". For, YAHUSHUA came to His own in a temporary "Tabernacle" or "Dwelling", meaning His Flesh-and-Blood Body. God with us.
---Gordon on 12/18/10


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Some of your questions, John, cannot be answered with a simple "yes" or "no", because they are of the "Have you not stopped beating your wife yet?" variety.

I answered them as best I knew.

I'm sorry if you don't like the answers you got.
---Cluny on 12/18/10


Leon, good analogy.
---Eloy on 12/18/10


John, question 4 is clearly a YES. Additionally, theologian Dr.Stanley Hudson writes that it was common for Roman coins to depict the popular Roman deities. But Hudson reported that after Constantine's conversion, coins depicting Sol, the sun god ('Sol Invictus') were minted profusely. Why?

Dr.Hudson suggests Constantine may actually have confused Sol with Jesus. Syncretism (combination of different forms of belief) is not unusual even today. Constantine may have worshiped Sol under the name of Jesus.
Such syncretism would explain why December 25, 'the birthday of the unconquered sun,' was chosen by Emperor Constantine as the day to commemorate the birth of Jesus. - 'Bible Review', by Dr Stanley Hudson.
---David8318 on 12/18/10


\\) Was Jesus born on Dec 25th.?\\

Actually, there is some evidence that He was born in late December, but it's too comples to discuss here.

\\2) Was Dec 25th. A Holy day for Pagans to worship the sun gods et al?
3) Did the Pagans burn the Yule log all night as an effigy/ burnt offering to the sun gods?\\

Since I was raised in a Christian home, I don't know as much about paganism as you do.

\\4) Did The Pagan Emperor Constantine add Jesus to the list of gods of light, Proclaiming it to be His birthday?\\

No.

\\5) Did the apostles celebrate Christ-Mass?\\

They DID celebrate Mass (or Divine Liturgy) in honor of Christ.
---Cluny on 12/17/10


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NOW NOW CLUNY. Where's your Christmas spirit. Its Christ-mass time! Not Easter. We can discuss Ister(Sorry Easter) in the spring.

But here I'll make it easy for you.

Just Answer: YES or NO

1) Was Jesus born on Dec 25th.?

2) Was Dec 25th. A Holy day for Pagans to worship the sun gods et al?

3) Did the Pagans burn the Yule log all night as an effigy/ burnt offering to the sun gods?

4) Did The Pagan Emperor Constantine add Jesus to the list of gods of light, Proclaiming it to be His birthday?


5) Did the apostles celebrate Christ-Mass?


Please answer!
---John on 12/17/10


"Would any Christian here consider decorating there homes with images of false gods just for their artistical beauty, not for religous reasons?"

I doubt it. But it is an question irrelevant to the present discussion.

The Christams tree is not an image of a false god. In fact it has nothing whatsoever to do with false gods.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/17/10


\\Cluny nice diversion, I'm still waiting for how you explain Christ-mass.\\

Deal with my points about Pascha, then I will discuss the Nativity (which I've done dozens of times).

When we get to that point, are you ready to give evidence for your claim that Constantine forbade the observance of Jewish holy days?
---Cluny on 12/17/10


Cluny nice diversion, I'm still waiting for how you explain Christ-mass.

Biblically that is?




Peter, I had thought it was on October, but I later read some thesis and articles on how it more towards September probably during the High Holy Days. With Sukkot being the most likely day. Also, Yom Kippur was a candidate.

I will look those up and post them.

But you're right, it is hard to get an exact date. We can only know it was during the Fall Harvest and break it down from there.

The Hebrews were not into celebrating birthdays. Which is why you do not have a single passage on the apostles celebrating Jesus birthday. Only his death and resurrection.
---John on 12/17/10


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\\Leslie ... "I gave the Biblical scriptures that say that Christmas trees are Pagan Idol worship, now it is up to you to look them up and see for yourself"\\

Leslie, there is as much in that passage condemning Christmas trees as there is in Isaiah 55:12 supporting them.

BTW, that verse says that the fir tree will be for the Lord "an everlasting name and sign that will not be cut off."
---Cluny on 12/17/10


Would any Christian here consider decorating there homes with images of false gods just for their artistical beauty, not for religous reasons?
---AG on 12/17/10


Well . . . the Family tree of life has Jesus at the top and connected to all His lights all down the tree, sending His power of love down to us. We are connected in the Holy Spirit. But around us are the tinsley ones who hang around and glitter, but without love it profits them nothing. They may reflect and imitate our light, but have none. We are "in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation" (Philippians 2:15) with these people glittering and showing while we are glowing.
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/17/10


Christians judge righteous judgment, when you blaspheme The Holy One of Israel, you are self-condemned, nothing silly here. If you continue to mock, and I prophesy that you will surely taste the fire.
---Eloy on 12/17/10


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John: You quote the month of September for Christ's birth, which I've heard once before.... however, from calculations of others (not my own) the date would seem to be later, possible October or November

Could you provide some explanation - the other people have explained how the calculations were done, and they seem reasonable. Also, the information we have form the Bible certainly does not give any exact date

Thanks
---peter on 12/17/10


\\We'll get to Easter. The worship of Ister. The goddess of the rising sun, where pagans climb a mountain and have a sunrise service.(Sounds Familar???) \\

Not at all. There's NOTHING like this in the Orthodox, Roman Catholic, or any of the pre-Reformation Eastern Churches.

This is STRICTLY a Protestant practice, so take it up with them.

And as I've repeatedly said, most European languages call the Feast of the Resurrection PASCHA (from the Hebrew PESACH) or a phonetic variant, such as Pascua or Pasquale.

"Easter" is STRICTLY a Germanic name, and has NO etymological derivation from Istar or anything similar.
---Cluny on 12/17/10


Thank you to all the followers of Jesus Christ who, by the Holy Spirit's leading on this blog, demonstrate a spirit of love, joy, peace, gentleness, goodness, long-suffering, faith, meekness & temperance. MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

Whoa to all the religious naysayers who say it is better for us to have stayed in Egypt (bondage) than to have wound up here in this wilderness. Your frowardness & unbelief cause you to perish.
---Leon on 12/17/10


How is it so many can quote so many things to deffend their position on any one thing. Yet forget all Christ said about people taking the simple truths of his desire for man and making there own rules and regulations claiming them to be of God? Anything that gives glory to God and is out of love is a fragerance he gladly recieves. Christians arguing over such things do more harm than their blind eyes see. They Will Be Held Acountable For Those That Fall Away do to Such Petty Arguing. Glory given to God in love and in just honor of him is all good. .
Me having a tree decorated with Christian figureens and yes even lights. Singing words of praise and worship and reading the Christmas story is good Ifffff done for him and not me.
---Michael on 12/17/10


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Leslie ... "I gave the Biblical scriptures that say that Christmas trees are Pagan Idol worship, now it is up to you to look them up and see for yourself"

I looked it up again to see if there is anything I missed last time. Nothing about Christmas trees!

John ..."please enlighten us on why you worship the Holiest Pagan Day of the sun gods"

I have never worshipped any day, and I am sure Cluny has not. We worship God ... whenever we want.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/17/10


Yes yes you will burn in hell forever if you believe in Jesus and decorate a tree because it looks pretty. Gimme a break!

Some of you people amaze me. You destroy the very liberty that Jesus Christ gave you by judging one another with silly things.
---JackB on 12/16/10


Then Cluny please enlighten us on why you worship the Holiest Pagan Day of the sun gods. Why you ultilize the Pagan Icons and why you believe(In spite of knowing better) that Jesus was born on Dec 25th. When by all standards he was born in September.

Further (since I gave you a thesis on this on the other Xmas blog)why do you obey The Decrees of the Pagan Emperor Constantine over G-ds Holy Days. A man who killed his son and wife and other family members (like Nero). Yet he is your idol who you follow.

We'll get to Easter. The worship of Ister. The goddess of the rising sun, where pagans climb a mountain and have a sunrise service.(Sounds Familar???)

But first enlighten us on Christ-MASS!
---John on 12/16/10


E._SCROOGE, Merry CHRISTmas!!! Try as you may you your antiChrist flesh will never succeed in quenching the prevalent reality of CHRISTmas around the world, for every dissing word from your lips only manifests your stony heart and your deadened existence without Christ, and if you continue on your road of destruction then you are destined for the lake of fire and brimstone for your vain foolishness.
---Eloy on 12/16/10


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\\JamesL, you quote Colossians 2:16,17 to justify your love for christmas. It was out of context for you to use Paul's teaching, for he was referring to eating and drinking.\\
---christan on 12/16/10

First, I don't have a love for Christmas. I have a 4 year old son who I have taught from birth that Santa Claus is fake, that gifts and trees are not the substance of Christmas, etc. We do eat dinner with my siblings, at which I have the honor of the family prayer,

I was merely pointing out that a tree is a matter of each one's conscience (Rom 14:5)

I'm guessing you forgot to read the part about festivals, new moon celebrations, and Sabbaths. You don't eat a Saturday or moon (unless it's a moon pie), but nice try kid
---James_L on 12/16/10


\\It never ceases to amaze me that someone like yourself, who has all the historical and theological knowledge concerning this very obvious and blatant heresy of Christmas\\

What amazes me, John, is that you know so FEW of the facts about this issue (or much of anything else--for example, your misuse of the word "heresy"), yet you act like you know everything there is to know about it.
---Cluny on 12/16/10


\\alan8566 of uk and others - I gave the Biblical scriptures that say that Christmas trees are Pagan Idol worship, now it is up to you to look them up and see for yourself\\

No, you didn't.

There was NOTHING like a decorated tree in Canaanite paganism at the time this was written.

Nor is there any evidence that there was one.
---Cluny on 12/16/10


alan8566 of uk and others - I gave the Biblical scriptures that say that Christmas trees are Pagan Idol worship, now it is up to you to look them up and see for yourself. I suggest starting with Jer. 10:3-5 (it talks about Christmas tress for worship of idols of the gods of Baal). I challenge you to look them up - or just continue to be decieved.
---Leslie on 12/16/10


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JamesL, you quote Colossians 2:16,17 to justify your love for christmas. It was out of context for you to use Paul's teaching, for he was referring to eating and drinking. It does not refer to false worshiping for in the same chapter in verse 8, Paul warns -

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

And rest assured that the christmas tree and christmas has nothing to do with "...shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ." And liberty in Christ Jesus does not mean go do as you like, which is what you are suggesting. And through the Bible, He has given us instructions.
---christan on 12/16/10


Leon,
It's nice that a Xmas tree reminds you of the burning bush. The more important question what does it remind God of.
I believe God has given us instructions and patterns as to how he desires to be worshiped. I don't believe He has left us to our own imaginations otherwise we might each do what is right in our own eyes.
---AG on 12/16/10


[18]What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in this I rejoice.

Christmas means whatever one wants it to mean. Yes, things change over time and will continue to change in the future.

Pagans prayed, so Christians shouldn't pray?
---Rod4Him on 12/16/10


Jesus reminds me of the Burning Bush.
Xmas trees remind me of pagan yule logs.
---AG on 12/16/10


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Putting up a Xmas tree because it reminds you of the Burning Bush is like displaying a statute of Hercules because it reminds you of the Son of God or like putting pentagrams on the wall because it reminds you of the Xmas star or like wearing a zombie costume because it reminds you of the resurrection.
There are similaries between sheep and goats, but they not the same.
---AG on 12/16/10


Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come, the reality, however, is found in Christ. (Col 2:16-17)

It is the weak brother or sister who condemns the use of a Christmas tree. We have liberty in Christ, let no man be your judge. It is the strong brother or sister who understands our liberty in Christ.

But the strong should not mock the weak for being bound, and the weak should not condemn the strong for excercising liberty. (see romans 14)
---James_L on 12/16/10


Cluny,

It never ceases to amaze me that someone like yourself, who has all the historical and theological knowledge concerning this very obvious and blatant heresy of Christmas.

Would suddenly become ignorant of all the facts, reality, and defend your
church (traditions of men) heresy no matter what the facts are. Do you not see the elephant in the room?

Yes,defend it even against The Throne of G-d Himself.
---John on 12/16/10


Leon, I say to you that you have been totally deceived into believing that Christmas celebration is Christianity. You claim that the tree "represents God's redemptive power" and yet majority of people who celebrate this festivity hates Jesus Christ when you preach the Gospel unto them. So how can this be about the Christ of the bible?

Jesus warned, "For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before." Matthew 24:5,24,25
---christan on 12/16/10


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What else can I be, when I live in such a world of fools as this Merry Christmas! Out upon merry Christmas. What's Christmas time to you but a time for paying bills without money, a time for finding yourself a year older, but not an hour richer, a time for balancing your books and having every item in 'em through a round dozen of months presented dead against you? If I could work my will, every idiot who goes about with 'Merry Christmas' on his lips, should be boiled with his own pudding, and buried with a stake of holly through his heart. He should!"
---E._SCROOGE on 12/16/10


Leon, Never thought about it that way before. The burning bush was God's way of Revealing Himself to Moses.
Christ coming to earth was God revealing Himself to us.

Anything that symbolizes to us, the birth of the Savior,should be appeciated this time of year. Rejoice!
---Donna66 on 12/16/10


Leon,I looked up the burning bush Exodus3:2-4 and I see why you made the connection. God in the burning bush and we could also refer to Christ being the light of the World and the tree all lit and bright to remind us of that. I think it is wonderful when you can see a connection to God. It never matters to me as a Christian about what others think about a tree being pagan or any naysayers attempts to tear down the joy of Christmas which begins in Christ and goes on into our family. Love is in operation as we give,Christ received gifts,and come toether to celebrate and God is love,loving families and others is Godly. May the Love of God be the heart of Christmas for Christians. God Bless Merry Christmas
---Darlene_1 on 12/16/10


Christmas bashers need to repent from their falsehood. The evergreen tree represents green life in the dead of winter. The Christmas tree is merely a decoration during the Christmas season, as well as adornment of colorful lights and tinsel and bells and wreaths and bows and ribbons, etc., and the Christmas tree is not used as any idol to replace Jesus Christ our God. For Christians do not bow down and worship the tree neither do we consult the tree for any advice because we are not idolaters. The Christian Christmas tree has zero to do with idolatry, and all to do with decorating for Christmas time.
---Eloy on 12/16/10


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People who have their hearts on God will see God in everything.

People who have their hearts on paganism will see paganism in everything.
---Cluny on 12/16/10


FYI-The word (eyts, Strg's #6086)-a parent root(two letter root).The verb (Ah.Ts.M, Strg's #6105) means strong and mighty,(as is a tree)-origin from verb- is the noun (etsem, Strg's #6106), meaning bones, the "strong tree" of the body. Also-verb (Y.Ah.Ts, Strg's #3289) Counsel-to give support to another as the tree trunk supports the branches and leaves.

"Tree of Life"-Christ (Aleph to Tav)
Gen 2:9,Rev 2:7,22:2-14

I agree we need to be aware of pagan holidays and not lose sight of the purpose.
Whether it is the birth date or conception date etc... I say we rejoice-daily.

Thank-you for the greeting Leon.
Blessings back at you--
---char on 12/16/10


MERRY CHRISTMAS LESLIE!!! :)

---Leon on 12/16/10


Leslie ... Please tell us where the Bible say "Christmas trees are Pagan idol worship"

Please indeed tell us where in teh ible Christmas trees are mentioned at all
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/16/10


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Blogger9211: Thx for your safety concerns. :) My tree however is artificial. Let me emphasis, the tree "reminds me of" but doesn't really "look like" it's on fire. However, during this Christmas season, I'm keenly aware our God is a consuming fire & as He manifested Himself in the bush that was not consumed, He can reveal Himself thru a Christmas tree ~ at least to me! :) My overall point is, as He brought deliverance to the children of Israel out of Pharoah's Egypt, God thru His Son Jesus Christ has brought salvation to all who seek & follow Him. Again, thx for your concern & MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
---Leon on 12/16/10


Leon - You are WRONG. According to the Bible, Christmas Trees are Pagan Idol worship for the gods of Baal. Every time you put one up, you are making covenant with the gods of Baal. In blood covenant, the final act is done by planting a tree. (Jer. 10:3-5, Deut. 12:2, 1 Kings 14:23, 2 Kings 16:4 & 17:10-17, 2 Chron. 28:2-4, Is. 57:5, Jer. 3:6,13, Ezek. 6:13).
---Leslie on 12/16/10


One of the things a Christmas tree suggests is the new Tree of Life in the New Paradise that the stable where Christ was born has opened to us.

But if it suggests the burning bush to you, that's fine.
---Cluny on 12/15/10


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