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HappyLDS //This is certainly a general statement and no offering of any reference.

LDS historian Todd Compton wrote that 'one misconception concerning Jospeh's polyandry is that it was a practice represented in only 1 or 2 marriages, however, fully 1/3 of Jospeh's plural wives, 11 of them, were polyandrous. If we superimpose a chronological perspective, we see that Joseph's 1st 12 wives, 9 were polyandrous'.

Sorry but there are other LDS historians that make similar claims to Joseph's sexual problems.

You need to spend more time reading about the history of the Mormon church and its founder.
---leej on 12/27/10


\\ I do believe that there are three separate personages, all three Gods:\\

You know, HappyLDS, the Bible says you can believe a lie and be damed.

And the Bible says there is ONE God.
---Cluny on 12/27/10


Happy wrote, "I do believe that there are three separate personages, all three Gods:
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Ghost"
Ah.. yes you probably do but there is the problem.
You believe that they became God by their own effort.
You deny the very fullness of the Godhead.
Jesus was always God. When He took on flesh He was God. When He created everything that is He was God. He is God now.
There has never been a time that He was not God.
And.... there never will be a time that you are a god.
I don't write to convince you because you are gone, a hopeless case. I write for those who need to see your error.
Hey say something else goofy to Cluny. It's funny.
---Elder on 12/27/10


LDS I've told you the truth, the words of his apostles, and the words of Christ evidence this as well.

You can reject the truth for your Mormon teachings if you like but you can't have both and you can't be a Christian if you believe Mormon teachings about Jesus. fact is, the day will come when you'll answer for what you teach and you can no longer say no one has told you.
---Pharisee on 12/27/10


I go by what Jesus taught - that he is the SON OF GOD. I do believe that there are three separate personages, all three Gods:

God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Ghost

Three Gods, one purpose - to bring about the salvation of man. Makes a lot more sense to me. I do not believe for a second that Jesus prayed to himself, that he asked himself to take the cup from himself, that he forsake himself...none of that makes any sense.
---HappyLDS on 12/27/10




Many of the early Mormon martyrs were victims because of their involvement with other peoples wives.
---leej on 12/26/10

This is certainly a general statement and no offering of any reference.
---HappyLDS on 12/27/10


\\Which is it - singular or plural?---HappyLDS on 12/25/10\\

Yes.

You think that your funny ideas make sense.

Why should not my beliefs, based on the teaching of the Apostles, make sense?
---Cluny on 12/26/10


Which is it - singular or plural?---HappyLDS on 12/25/10

Both. I know you cannot begin to imagine that, but the Lord's disciples asked him to show them the Father, and Jesus replied "he that has seen me has seen the Father." You can attempt to explain that anyway you like and you will, but the fact is that they are one as the Lord said.

There is no place where God ends and Jesus begins, they are the same being in different parts, My arm is not entirely me, but it's not ever been not a part of me. Isaiah 9:6 calls him "eternal Father, mighty God"...Jesus demanded the same honor ascribed to God in John 5:23 and said you don't honor God if you don't honor him even as they honor God. Your Mormon ideas dishonor God.
---Pharisee on 12/26/10


//We are instructed to obey the law of the land - polygamy is against the law of the land.
---HappyLDS on 12/25/10
And we may add that we are to obey the moral laws as well - those established by God - which is something that Jospeh Smith did not do.

Many of the early Mormon martyrs were victims because of their involvement with other peoples wives.
---leej on 12/26/10


"Though the First Presidency endorsed the publication of the Journal, there was no endorsement as to the accuracy or reliability of the contents. There were occasions when the accuracy was questionable. The accounts were not always cleared by the speakers because of problems of time and distance. This was especially true during the persecution of the 1880s, which finally forced the cessation of the publication."-mormonfortress
It is good to know history.
---micha9344 on 12/26/10




You don't think it's talking about preexistent souls and mother goddesses the members of your polytheistic fertility cult believe in, do you?
---Cluny on 12/24/10

I believe that Jesus created the earth under direction of God the Father (two separate personages)...thus words such as US and OUR. At the risk of sounding as rude as you do - are you aware that your explanation makes absolutely no sense? First you say the Son and the Spirit who were together with the Father AND then you go back to the three in one theory. Which is it - singular or plural?
---HappyLDS on 12/25/10


Elder - please reread my post. Satan told Eve that she wouldn't die - that was the lie and that is what I said. Satan also told a truth - that she would know good and evil - AS a god. No arguement there.

As far as my seeing Cluny as correct - no, I don't. Cluny makes a statement, offers no explanation and expects me to believe him because he says it's so. I don't. I think it is he who once claimed there was a churchwide recall of the Journal of Discourses - of course this was a lie but he counts on people too lazy to check into the truth.
---HappyLDS on 12/25/10


Happy do you think the father of lies tells any truth. God said Satan is a liar and the truth is not in him.
Gen 3:3 is not what God said. He said not to eat because you will die. He never told them not to touch it.
Satan said "as" gods v5 not you will become gods. V22 is the same "as". According to you if we go sin against Holy God we become a god.
The word as is not the same as become.
The lie was not they would die because they surely did. You will die also. Remember death came by sin.....
Before the sin Adam and Eve were innocent. After the sin their eyes were opened and they knew sin. They didn't become gods. You won't either.
And, I am glad you see that Cluny is correct.
---Elder on 12/25/10


What is most damagining to Joseph Smith comes from Mormon historians themselves. The guy had wives that were still married to their husbands as well as one that was underage.
--leej on 12/25/10

There is a difference (thought the two are interchangeable) between being married and being sealed. Too long to explain and it would unlikely change any of the hearts here anyway. One more thing - polygamy had it's place in ancient history. I think it had it's place in Joseph Smiths time as well. We are instructed to obey the law of the land - polygamy is against the law of the land.
---HappyLDS on 12/25/10


You need to read your own Doctrine and Covenants. It's in there.
---Cluny on 12/24/10

D & C 91 - During the time that Joseph Smith was translating the OT. He came to the Apocrypha and inquired whether or not he should translate it. I can't write the entire thing though it's only six verses. You can look it up yourself. It certainly doesn't sound like a rejection to me. Of course it wouldn't be the first time we disagree on interpretation though would it?!? And of course - yours is always right. LOL
---HappyLDS on 12/25/10


Elder //Your founder was a con-man, involved in another cult, scammed people with his "miracle" wheat seeds,

It was Charles Taze Russell of the Jehovah's Witnesses that did the 'miracle seed' scam.

What is most damagining to Joseph Smith comes from Mormon historians themselves. The guy had wives that were still married to their husbands as well as one that was underage.

An elder or deacon according to scipture must be the husband of no more than one wife.
---leej on 12/25/10


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HAPPY LSD,
How is it your church saids Independence Missouri is the New Jerusalem.

It's rather a Gross place. So which is the best Highway To Heaven. Interstate 40?

Or should I fly, so I would be Decending from heaven.
---John on 12/25/10


\\By the way - who do you suppose is "us?"
---HappyLDS on 12/24/10\\

The Son and the Spirit who were together with the Father.

And the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are ONE God--and there's only ONE God. Period.

You don't think it's talking about preexistent souls and mother goddesses the members of your polytheistic fertility cult believe in, do you?
---Cluny on 12/24/10


\\Among the precious promises and covenants the LDS church rejects are the Apocrypha and teachings of the fathers.
---Cluny on 12/24/10

You might research this a little more Cluny.\\

You need to read your own Doctrine and Covenants. It's in there.
---Cluny on 12/24/10


Elder - Reread Genesis 3:3-5. Satan told Eve that she would become like gods - knowing good and evil and that she wouldn't die. The lie was that she wouldn't die. Go to Genesis 3:22 - God says that man has become as one of us - knowing good and evil. By the way - who do you suppose is "us?"
---HappyLDS on 12/24/10


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Among the precious promises and covenants the LDS church rejects are the Apocrypha and teachings of the fathers.
---Cluny on 12/24/10

You might research this a little more Cluny.

Elder - miracle wheat seeds? I have to admit I've never heard that one! Wow.
---HappyLDS on 12/24/10


I am currently reading the Book of Mormons. It does not reflect Mormon doctrine in some instances.

Jacob 2:27 Wherefore, my brethren hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord, For there shall not any man among you have save it be ONE wife, and concubines he shall have NONE.

And both Joe Smith, & Brigham Young had several wives - some of whom were not yet legally separated from their first husbands and that according to Mormon historians.
---leej on 12/24/10


Happy, you write the tripe that you do waiting to become a god and then accuse Cluny and me of showing no humility.
Tell us the last time you wrote anything that shows any humility from you.
You believe a lie, you share the lie and now you want to misdirect the issue.
Your founder was a con-man, involved in another cult, scammed people with his "miracle" wheat seeds, married underage girls and you accuse us of no humility.
Hey, smoke and mirrors ain't gonna work.
You have believed the oldest lie ever.
Satan also told Eve she would become as God. She believed the lie and you do too.
Sad when there is so much truth around you.
---Elder on 12/24/10


\\my faith continues to strengthen. Thank you.\\

In other words, your faith continues to strength you in your ignorance.

Faith will do you no good in what you believe is false.

In fact, the Bible says you can believe a lie and be damned.

Did you know that the Book of Mormon predicts the rise of the LDS church?

THIS is the one described as "great and abominable above all the Churches."

Among the precious promises and covenants the LDS church rejects are the Apocrypha and teachings of the fathers.
---Cluny on 12/24/10


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Would a spirit leave heaven to become a human so they might go back to heaven? Strange huh?
---Elder on 12/24/10

If you took the time to read and understand what I do - you would be able to understand the answers to the questions I posed. I understand why I came to earth, what the purpose of this life is AND what will happen in the next life. You and Cluny will continue to bask in your perceived knowledge and pat yourselves on the back. Your lack of humility will hold you back from discovering the complete truth. I'm happy with the knowledge I have and will continue to gain - my faith continues to strengthen. Thank you.
---HappyLDS on 12/24/10


\\We existed as spirits (NON HUMANS) prior to our earthly existence. \\

No, we didn't.

\\I believe this to be true.\\

Then you believe a lie.

\\ I know that I made a CHOICE to come here \\

No, you didn't because you didn't exist before you were conceived.

\\because I wasn't in the third of the hosts of heaven who rebelled and were cast out\\

You weren't anywhere else, for that matter.
---Cluny on 12/24/10


Happy said, "Cluny - Jeremiah is told that before he was formed in his mothers womb, God knew him. Job was asked where he was when the foundations of the earth were laid."
If Job had answered that question he would have said, No where Lord. I hadnt been born yet. The question was rhetorical. You know a question asked for effect or to make a statement rather than to obtain an answer.
God told Jeremiah He formed him in the belly.
Read Jer 1:8, I Kings 8:19, Heb 7:5-10.
You cannot prove by the Word of God that you were ever a "spirit child!"
Misguided faith, no matter how sincere or strong, is still error.
Would a spirit leave heaven to become a human so they might go back to heaven? Strange huh?
---Elder on 12/24/10


\\Job was asked (by God)where he was when the foundations of the earth were laid...he must have been somewhere or why ask the question?\\

No, Job CLEARLY wasn't anywhere because he didn't exist, and God was reminding him of that.

** I don't have proof, I have faith.**

That means nothing.

Faith in TRUTH is what saves.

Faith in falsehoods will lead you to destruction.
---Cluny on 12/24/10


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Elder - the short version is this: We existed as spirits (NON HUMANS) prior to our earthly existence. I believe this to be true. I know that I made a CHOICE to come here because I wasn't in the third of the hosts of heaven who rebelled and were cast out...they will never have the opportunity to have a physical body. Since I have a body I made the right choice. We do not have memory of our previous existence because it would not serve us since we are here to have experiences, to learn lessons and to prove ourselves. You believe we just happened - like some weird experiment...that's your choice.
---HappyLDS on 12/23/10


Cluny - Jeremiah is told that before he was formed in his mothers womb, God knew him. Job was asked (by God)where he was when the foundations of the earth were laid...he must have been somewhere or why ask the question? Is this proof? Probably not BUT these scriptures show the possibility. I don't have proof, I have faith.
---HappyLDS on 12/23/10


//"The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century'?//

I would say the above statement is true, at the Council of Chalcedon. Especially, "assimilated into Christian life..."
---Rod4Him on 12/23/10


Happy on 12/21 you said,"I am grateful for my knowledge that I existed before, that I made the choice to come here and prove myself worthy to return to the Father of my spirit."
On 12/23 you said, "I didn't say I remember choosing to be born,." Sure sounds like you did or did you come here in some other form?
On 12/23 you said, "I definitely have not always been human - probably why I need "saved"." How do you know this? What else would you have been?
Could it simply be that you need to be saved because you are a lost sinner?
---Elder on 12/23/10


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"I don't think "remotely" is an accurate portrail of history."
Rod4Him

I'm happy to answer your questions (for what it's worth to you) but first I just wanted to be clear...are you saying that the New Catholic Encyclopedia is in error here? Or just with it's use of the word 'remotely'.

Do you agree with their conclusion that:

"The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century'? And that "Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing...approaching such a mentality or perspective."?
---scott on 12/23/10


Happy if you existed before you were born does that make you eternal? If so why would you need to be "Saved?"
Since you look at Jesus as your brother what about Satan? Doesn't your belief claim that he is the brother of Jesus? Why do you not admit that teaching also confirms the he is your brother also?
---Elder on 12/22/10

Elder- Since I believe that God is the Father of my Spirit (biblical) - I would assume that I have not always existed. I definitely have not always been human - probably why I need "saved".

As for your questions regarding Lucifer - I didn't realize I needed to "admit" anything...assumed it's a given.
---HappyLDS on 12/23/10


\\ I said that I know (in my heart) that this doctrine is true.\\

That's no proof.

Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

\\ Scriptures tell us that Jeremiah and Job existed somewhere prior to their earthly existence...\\

The Bible says no such thing.

\\I believe we all did.\\

No, we didn't.
---Cluny on 12/23/10


Also, something that is interesting to me, since you remember choosing to be born as a spirit child what else do you remember about your prior time as a spirit?
---Elder on 12/22/10

I didn't say I remember choosing to be born, I said that I know (in my heart) that this doctrine is true. Scriptures tell us that Jeremiah and Job existed somewhere prior to their earthly existence...I believe we all did.
---HappyLDS on 12/23/10


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HappyLDS//The Council at Nicea determined what went into the Bible - it had to fit what they believed.//

Since you are in error in that belief, is it possible that you have other mistaken beliefs?
---Rod4Him on 12/23/10


//Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective."(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.//

I don't think "remotely" is an accurate portrail of history.

Anyhow...Scott, how do you define who Jesus is? When do you say Christ was "begotten.?" How do you describe Jesus' divinity and humanity?
---Rod4Him on 12/23/10


\\Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective."(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.\\

Other things the Apostolic Fathers never considered:

Hymnals

Church buildings

Revivals

Invitation hymns

Altar calls

Prayers said before unbelievers

Not celebrating the Eucharist on Sunday

Computers

Automobiles

etc, etc, et al
---Cluny on 12/22/10


The New Catholic Encyclopedia:

"The formulation one God in three Persons was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective."(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.
---scott on 12/22/10


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"the Holy Spirit was not included as an equal component until the Council of Constantinople, (381), the second ecumenical council of the church, promulgating what became known as the Nicene Creed.' (Scott)

And the reason why this was so is because in the late 4th century, certain heretics (Pneumumatomachians) were denying the divinity of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Synod of Constantiople (381AD) dealt with both the Apollinarists and Pneumatomachians, and the dogmatic statement of the Synod was simply a reflection of what was alreadly taught in Scriptures the writings of the earlier Fathers, especially those of Saint Basil the Great, Saint Gregory of Nazianzus, Saint Athanasius, among others.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 12/22/10


"The doctrine of the Trinity was NOT under discussion at Nicea 1, but whether Arius's teaching that the Son was of a different essense (ousia) from the Father." Cluny

True enough.

The third 'person' of the trinity doctrine, the Holy Spirit, was not included as an equal component until the Council of Constantinople, (381), the second ecumenical council of the church, promulgating what became known as the Nicene Creed.

283 years after the gospel of John was completed.
---scott on 12/22/10


\\For example, the trinitarian doctrine was voted on was it not?\\

No, it was not.

Someone once said that most people have very little actual knowledge of Church history, but definite ideas about it, and you have simply proven this axiom.

The doctrine of the Trinity was NOT under discussion at Nicea 1, but whether Arius's teaching that the Son was of a different essense (ousia) from the Father.
---Cluny on 12/22/10


Happy if you existed before you were born does that make you eternal? If so why would you need to be "Saved?"
Since you look at Jesus as your brother what about Satan? Doesn't your belief claim that he is the brother of Jesus? Why do you not admit that teaching also confirms the he is your brother also?
Also, something that is interesting to me, since you remember choosing to be born as a spirit child what else do you remember about your prior time as a spirit?
---Elder on 12/22/10


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Happy LSD-

Your ideas about the Bible (that the scriptures were changed) are false. The fact that you could hold the view that the Christian Bible is corrupted proves that you have not studied it as extensively as you NEED to. The fact is there were additions to the text over time but manuscripts discovered in the 17th century dating back to the 2nd century show a 93% match in overall comparison to the text that was handed down.

Jesus is NOT separate from God, they are one, and if you do not ascribe the same honor to Jesus that you do to God you actually dishonor God, Jesus said that -John 5:23

You are Hellbound if you subvert the pre-eminent deity of Christ which Mormon teachings do.
---Pharisee on 12/21/10


The creeds are basically a summary of what Scripture teaches. They have nothing to do with how the Bible is interpreted.
---leej on 12/21/10

This is where we disagree. They have everything to do with how the scriptures are interpreted. For example, the trinitarian doctrine was voted on was it not? Obviously there are different interpretations of scriptures...this explains why there are so many variations in doctrine.
---HappyLDS on 12/21/10


\\Athanasius who believed Jesus reflected the totality of the Godhead\\

Bad choice of words. And I'm not accusing you of more than that.

Even a blade of grass reflects the totality of God's creative power.

My kitties reflect God's love to the best of their ability.

Jesus IS fully God and fully man. Not the same thing all.

But you are right. The classical creeds are summaries of faith for BELIEVERS, not non-believers. In fact, anciently, people weren't even taught the Creed until they were baptized.
---Cluny on 12/22/10


//I thought that they also decided on the order of the books and actually kept some out. Maybe I'm wrong.//

I thought that for a long time, but as I researched this topic, I don't see where the First Council dealt with the "canon" at all. Maybe I'm wrong. That's why I asked for resouces.

Happy and I have gone around before. My problem, as is demonstrated by the present conversation, is that Mormons use terminology, knowing that the words they use have different meanings to most other people, which proves their religion is deceptive.
---Rod4Him on 12/22/10


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HappyLDS//you are right, the bishops that attended the council actually voted on how to interpret the Bible didn't they?

No, the challenge was between two basic schools of thought - those of Arius who believed Jesus was a created being (among other things), and Athanasius who believed Jesus reflected the totality of the Godhead - something Mormons do not accept.

The creeds are basically a summary of what Scripture teaches. They have nothing to do with how the Bible is interpreted.
---leej on 12/21/10


John - since you don't name which prophet said this, I assume that you are talking about the claim made by Oliver Huntington - who said that someone else said that Joseph Smith said inhabitants of the moon dressed like quakers. Of course he recalled this fifty years after it occurred....bottomline is who knows. I do know that Brigham Young believed the moon was inhabitated. Was this ever included in the Doctrine and Covenants? I seriously doubt it but tell me when and I'll look it up...apparently your source was able to find it, right? A prophet is only a prophet when he declares he is speaking for the Lord. If that claim isn't made - he is only thinking and speaking like a man. Pretty simple stuff.
---HappyLDS on 12/21/10


However, you will notice that she DOES admit that contrary to Christian teaching, Mormons call it "virgin birth" by courtesy only. (To put it sweetly.)
---Cluny on 12/21/10

How is believing that Jesus was conceived by the power of the Holy Ghost contradictory to Christian belief? We believe that Jesus is God's son (just as he claims). We believe that Mary was a virgin prior to conception and after. Instead of telling me what one of our leaders said (I know your playbook)...how about using our scriptures (showing doctrinal proof) and saving me the hassle of having to repeat my previous post?
---HappyLDS on 12/21/10


HAPPY LSD,

Joseph Smith (your prophet) claimed in The Doctrine and Covenants that there were Quakers living on the Moon and that he had visited them. As technology advanced (oops!)the Mormom Church quickly remove this section from your (as you claim) Holy Scripture and placed it in his personal writings.
---John on 12/21/10


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//The Council at Nicea determined what went into the Bible - it had to fit what they believed.//

The issue is more complex than HappyLDS has put it here.

However, you will notice that she DOES admit that contrary to Christian teaching, Mormons call it "virgin birth" by courtesy only. (To put it sweetly.)
---Cluny on 12/21/10


Elder -

I'd be lying if I didn't say that I found your answers to my questions interesting. Am I wrong to assume that you think we just happened - I'm asking because you didn't answer my question regarding where we came from. I would never be satisfied with such general views. I am grateful for my knowledge that I existed before, that I made the choice to come here and prove myself worthy to return to the Father of my spirit. I am grateful for the knowledge that my elder brother, Jesus Christ offered to live as an example and to die as a sacrifice so that I can be saved from death and be forgiven for my sins should I only repent. I am grateful for the knowledge I have that my family can be together forever.
---HappyLDS on 12/21/10


\\Elder you may have noticed that part 2 of my answer didn't get posted.\\

How could we see it didn't get posted if it didn't get posted?
---Cluny on 12/21/10

Bless your heart Cluny - I guess you didn't notice that I had numbered my first post with a 1 and also wrote cont. (continued) at the bottom. My point to Elder was that I wasn't avoiding his question - my answer simply wasn't posted.
---HappyLDS on 12/21/10


leej - you are right, the bishops that attended the council actually voted on how to interpret the Bible didn't they? I thought that they also decided on the order of the books and actually kept some out. Maybe I'm wrong.

Alan - yes, I'm a daughter - have not ever been a son! LOL

Rod - can't provide links on this blog but you can google it and research it yourself.
---HappyLDS on 12/21/10


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he Council at Nicea determined what went into the Bible - it had to fit what they believed.

The creed that was produced reflected what the Bible taught, not what went into the Bible.

The Nicea council was in the 4th century. The Mormon church holds the view that the church became apostate upon the death of the last Apostle and that God sent Joseph Smith to restore the church to its original teachings. Howbeit, much of Mormon doctrine is not found within the teachings of the early church (for instance the Aaronic & Mechizedek priesthood being of the church).

Mormons reject the Christology of the Nicea council.
---leej on 12/21/10


happy LDS ... Are you really a daughter ... I had always thought you were male, because you seemed to take over seemlessly from SLCguy, and were also MikeM.

???
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/21/10


Happylds, you said that I made fun and had sinister motives. I am sorry your understanding is so shallow.
We are not all sons and daughters as you say. Without Christ ye are of your father the devil.
If Jesus is an exalted man He would have needed to be saved. He is not the brother of Satan either. He is the Creator of everything.
You asked,
Where did we come from?
We were never spirit children in heaven waiting for a body if that is what you want to know. Nah you don't.
What is our purpose here?
Our purpose is to gloryfy God in our bodies and life.
Not to have babies so spirit children can inhabit them.
What happens after this life? Everlasting life or death. Depends on what you do with God's Sacrifice.
---Elder on 12/21/10


\\Elder you may have noticed that part 2 of my answer didn't get posted.\\

How could we see it didn't get posted if it didn't get posted?

**that all of us are sons or daughters of God, including Jesus Christ (the ONLY begotten IN THE FLESH)**

I have known for a long time that's what "Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God" means to Mormons, but it's not what the phrase means to Christians.
---Cluny on 12/21/10


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//The Council at Nicea determined what went into the Bible - it had to fit what they believed.//

HappyLDS, please site your source for that information.
---Rod4Him on 12/21/10


Elder you may have noticed that part 2 of my answer didn't get posted. Yes, I believe that I am a daughter of God - that all of us are sons or daughters of God, including Jesus Christ (the ONLY begotten IN THE FLESH) and Lucifer (cast out of heaven for rebellion).Does this exalt Satan - it does not. Does this belief change the fact that I believe Jesus Christ offered himself as a sacrifice for my sins and died for me? It does not. Does this belief mean that I don't trust that Jesus Christ saved me from the bonds of death? Again, it does not. It really is the original good versus evil - not at all sinister unless you somehow need it to be and it appears that you do.
---HappyLDS on 12/21/10


As for your question as to what I believe about the nature of God. Yes, I believe that He is an exalted man. Again, my belief is different from yours - but my belief makes sense to me. That God understands our nature and what we are capable of - because He has experienced it. Again, there is nothing sinister about this. God is our God - there is nothing before or after Him, He will always be our God. As for the Bible and it's numerous translations and interpretations - it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that parts of it have been changed according to the translator and his interpretation. The Council at Nicea determined what went into the Bible - it had to fit what they believed.
---HappyLDS on 12/21/10


Yes, Joseph Smith was a mason. Am I surprised by the possiblility that the symbols used by Joseph Smith in the Temple may have been used by the masons? No. Does it bother me? No. What you can't seem to grasp is that the Temple is really a place of higher learning and that much of what we learn is taught using SYMBOLS. The apron is a logical symbol, as are the garments you enjoy making fun of. All of what is done in our temples can be found in the scriptures. It is sacred and it is wonderful. Our hope is that all can experience it.
---HappyLDS on 12/21/10


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Elder - please answer these questions for me.

Where did we come from?
What is our purpose here?
What happens after this life?

Pretty basic questions. I know what I believe the answers are but would really like to here what is taught by other Christian faiths...I don't think I ever have.
---HappyLDS on 12/21/10


I've almost fallen out of my chair laughing at this blog. please continue
---Pharisee on 12/20/10


\\Eloy - I wasn't aware that any Mormons have claimed that the Pearl of Great Price, The Doctrine and Covenants or even The Book of Mormon are "the bible". Do we believe they are scripture - yes we do and I don't run from that belief.\\

But you DO say the Bible is the Word of God "as far as it is translated correctly."

There is no such qualification given to BoM, PGP, or D & C.
---Cluny on 12/21/10


No "HappyLDS" that is not what I wanted to hear because you avoided the questions in grand style.
Let me make it easier for you.
Do you believe that Jesus is the brother of Satan? Now this is a yes or no choice. Unless you refuse to answer that also.
Do you believe that "as God is we shall be and as we are God once was?" Another yes or no question.
Was Joesph Smith a Mason? yes or no. The apron and special underware belief is part of their belief also.
Whew, I know it is going to be hard for you to answer your beliefs but at least try.
Ignoring these questions is an answer.
---Elder on 12/21/10


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1.
Elder - my Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament. He created the earth under the direction of our Father. My Jesus is the only being that is part mortal (on his mothers side - the virgin, Mary)so that He could give his life for us, and part immortal (on his Fathers side, God the Eternal Father) so that he could take his life back. Oh - but that isn't what you wanted to hear is it?

cont.
---HappyLDS on 12/20/10


Eloy - I wasn't aware that any Mormons have claimed that the Pearl of Great Price, The Doctrine and Covenants or even The Book of Mormon are "the bible". Do we believe they are scripture - yes we do and I don't run from that belief. Mormons DO NOT worship Joseph Smith, we DO NOT believe he (Joseph Smith) is Jesus Christ. We revere Joseph Smith as we do any prophet - such as Moses or Noah, he is not who we worship. Mormons DO NOT believe that Michael the Archangel is Jesus Christ and last, we DO NOT believe that Adam is Jesus Christ. We worship Jesus Christ, the Son of God. You can say otherwise as much as you'd like - but again, you are wrong.
---HappyLDS on 12/20/10


HappyLDS, Yes, I am 100% right. Many religions of the world, including mormonism, have Christ incorporated in their religion, and so they are deluded into thinking that they themself are Christian: but they do not worship Christ as their only one God Almighty. Most if not all religions replace Christ Jesus with someone or something else. The true Christian worships and obeys Christ only. "The pearl of great price" and "The Doctrines and Covenants" are Not the Holy Bible, and Joseph Smith is Not Jesus Christ, nor is Michael the archangel Jesus Christ, and neither is Adam Jesus Christ.
---Eloy on 12/20/10


"Speaking again as a Mormon - I am a follower of Jesus Christ, I am not an idolator."
HappyLDS
Please tell me who is your Jesus and where did he come from? Do you believe he has any brothers and who might one of them be?
---Elder on 12/20/10


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Speaking again as a Mormon - I am a follower of Jesus Christ, I am not an idolator. Statements such as the one made by Eloy are simply wrong.
---HappyLDS on 12/19/10


Both are nonChristian garments worn by idolaters.
---Eloy on 12/19/10


I have no clue what the Catholic scapular is so I cannot comment on it. As a Mormon I can tell you that the "apron" is symbolic and is not magic!
---HappyLDS on 12/18/10


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