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Can Gentiles Go To Heaven

"Revelation 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: Does this mean that only those from those 12 tribes can enter Heaven, and not Gentiles?

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The wild branch is NOT lost Israel. They are some of the original branches spoken of that will be grafted back in.
---m on 1/3/11

Mmmmm, you have a misunderstanding of one word...gen-tilis.
Eze 37:19Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
Heb8:8, explicitly states who the New Covenant is too. As do all the OT prophets. Gentiles is not a third party in the terminology? hmmm.
Do you not believe in GOD enough to trust his own statements?
---Trav on 1/5/11


Ezekiel 16:60
Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.//
Yes, and the original covenent was with the original branch- Israel(11 tribes) & Judah (the 12th tribe).
The wild branch is NOT lost Israel. They are some of the original branches spoken of that will be grafted back in.
The wild branch is the gentiles whether you like it or not.
The new Covenant is through the SEED- Jesus - unto ALL mankind. Not just the original branches - Israel and Judah but to include the wild branch- Gentiles!
Brother do even notice the scripture you placed condemns your wrong thinking?
Renew your mind with the washing of the water of the word!
---m on 1/3/11


First of all let us start at the beginning. Gen. 1:1 God created the heavens and the earth. Moving ahead just a bit we will find, "so God created mankind in his own image, male and female, He created them." Wow! He didn't create Jew and Gentile. That should tell you there is only separation in our hearts.
---Darrell on 1/3/11

Darrell....once you get past Genesis you'll find....

Deuteronomy 10:15
Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
Ezekiel 16:60
Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
---Trav on 1/3/11


Well, Trav, that ain't Christ teaching you, brother because Christ is not prejudice, racist, nor sexist.

I am seeing a serious evil spirit teaching you this false mess and you need to rebuke it.
Again, there are 3 parts not 2. And Jesus says he came to his own- Israel and they rejected him.
1-Judah
2-Israel (some branches broken off)
= original branch

3-Gentiles
= Wild branch grafted in
Simple as 1,2,3.

Never seen anyone so blinded by pride in my life.
Make us men look bad and ignorant, brother. No wonder why women are teaching and preaching now. Men like you don't get it. You want to make your own doctrine to encompass your prejudices.
---m on 1/3/11


Trav ... If they are the same they must have a split personality, for their theologies differ dramatically.
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/3/11




First of all let us start at the beginning. Gen. 1:1 God created the heavens and the earth. Moving ahead just a bit we will find, "so God created mankind in his own image, male and female, He created them." Wow! He didn't create Jew and Gentile. That should tell you there is only separation in our hearts.
---Darrell on 1/3/11


Trav,
Let me break that Hebrews scripture down for you brother.
There are 3 parts NOT 2.

Original branch has 2 parts.
1 = Judah, 2= the other 11 tribes of Israel's 12.

Have you got that so far?

Wild branch grafting in- gentiles.

Check with your teacher. The doctrine you are trying to peddle is....FALSE.
---m on 1/2/11

My teacher (Christ) says you're adding a third part.

Heb 8:8 list two participants. As do all the Prophets in the O.T.
Unlike yourself and your teacher the Disciples would not go against the Prophets or Christ who fulfilled as marks.
P.S., the reason for 10 is.....1/2 Benjamin broke off with Judah. Or it would have been 11 like you're thinking.....m.
---Trav on 1/3/11


Trav ... You must be stark raving bonkers if you think that Rhonda and Kathr are the same person.

And why do you avoid answering the question?
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/2/11

They are borrowing common denominators. All caps yelling to make a point. Using the word Sweetie. Attempting to teach something they do not understand.
Apostle morphing or something perhaps.
---Trav on 1/3/11


trav,

it all relates. a few verses cannot stand alone. there is a reason why the sheep are lost.
---aka on 12/22/10

Yes there is. They were divorced for their adultery.
Cast out.....but, marriage is until death of the husband.

Ezekiel 34:12
As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered, so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
---Trav on 1/3/11


To whom did the Messiah YAHUSHUA send the Apostle Paul to evangelize? Was it not to the Gentiles??
---Gordon on 1/1/11

Ezekiel 34:6Jeremiah 31:10
Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in isles afar off, say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.
Matt 15:24.
Jeremiah 23:2
Therefore thus saith LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people, Ye have scattered my flock, driven them away, have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
---Trav on 1/3/11




Alan, why use stark raving bonkers at Trav? Does someone have to be stark raving bonkers to believe Rhonda is Kath? Kath has been known to use other names to build her case. Can you explain? Or did it come because he hasn't answered your question and you just threw that in there?
---Bob on 1/3/11


Trav ... You must be stark raving bonkers if you think that Rhonda and Kathr are the same person.

And why do you avoid answering the question?
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/2/11


Trav,
Let me break that Hebrews scripture down for you brother.
There are 3 parts NOT 2.

Original branch has 2 parts.
1 = Judah, 2= the other 11 tribes of Israel's 12.

3rd part is the wild branch NOT part of the original branch Which is 2 parts- Israel and Judah.

Original branches broken off-Israel.

Have you got that so far?

3rd part which was NOT part of the original branch is currently being grafted into the original branch (Israel-Judah). They are the gentiles NOT part of Israel's 12.

Wild branch grafting in- gentiles.

Check with your teacher. The doctrine you are trying to peddle is....FALSE.
Worse than the women you condemn..trying to speak knowledge when you don't have it.
---m on 1/2/11


//can enter Heaven, and not Gentiles?//
The Apostle to the Gentiles says yes if you "follow me as I follow Christ"
Phil. 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven, from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Eph. 2:6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Col.1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel,
---michael_e on 1/2/11


Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
---jerry6593 on 1/2/11


Trav you choose scripture that is irrelevant to the TOPIC what must I now TEACH you BASIC doctrine???

thanks for your participation
---Rhonda on 12/29/10


Basic doctrine would start in your case with women who obey scripture. So you'll have a hard time teaching anybody anything....being disallowed. You should first be silent as far as doctrine is concerned and learn....not from me but, from the prophets in the OT appointed by GOD. 2nd apply what was to be fulfilled and was by Christ/Anointed Matt 10:6/15:25 Heb 8:8.
Build precept upon precept and allow the Christ a Man knew what he was doing.
---Trav on 1/1/11


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To whom did the Messiah YAHUSHUA send the Apostle Paul to evangelize? Was it not to the Gentiles??
---Gordon on 1/1/11


Acts 13:46-47 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. For so hath the Lord commanded us, [saying], I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
---micha9344 on 1/1/11


//Can Gentiles Go To Heaven?

If you follow the Apostle to the Gentiles
Rom.11:13 3For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify my office

1Tim.1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
---michael_e on 12/31/10


Rhonda, I have not answered any questions or answers you have put down for a long time. And I answered you kindly, never condemned you for anything. While I do not believe a lot of the stuff you put out, I have always been respectful to you. I do not condemn anyone, God does. You are starting to sound like Kathr by making things up. I know you are not her, but by slandering someone who has done nothing to you, you act just like her. I wish you a wonderful New Year in the hope that you learn more about God and that God keeps you safe.
---Mark_V. on 12/31/10


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Trav you choose scripture that is irrelevant to the TOPIC what must I now TEACH you BASIC doctrine???

carry on dear your smugness is well noted much like cluny eloy and markv who all choose to condemn ANYBODY who does not BOW DOWN to their opinions about Gods Holy Word

thanks for your participation
---Rhonda on 12/29/10


....as a WOMEN I am sharing if YOU CHOOSE to dismiss it so be it SIMPLY IGNORE my posts sweetie
---Rhonda on 12/24/10

Now Rhonda....kathr sharing/teacher does the all sweetie caps thingy... split peronality of kathr,or a sista??
If ya share it...we gonna compare it.
You didn't comment on the scripture posted??
Heb 8:8. Who does this say it is too? Heb 8:10 (got those laws?) May be a mark. (Even mad or provoked...take a look at the two sheep,one lost one known). What if you're one of them? Bet no 1's ever asked ya.
Matt 15:24?
---Trav on 12/27/10


Universalist/one worlders wish they were. They are only lost to you. GOD knows where they are at. I know them by their signs/marks.
****

oh OKAY trav whatever YOU SAY I guess you are ONE with Eloy preaching YOUR version of Gods Word and condemning those who do not follow YOU

I prefer to FOLLOW Holy Word of God as a WOMEN I am sharing if YOU CHOOSE to dismiss it so be it SIMPLY IGNORE my posts sweetie
---Rhonda on 12/24/10


Israel is still israel, they are not the wild branch. that is the gentiles. Israel is the original branch. Again, look at all scripture.
---m on 12/23/10

Hmmmm. Come on M. Lets look at ALL scripture. Let start with the 1/2 you missed. 11 part of Israel are not Judah. Hmmmm...m.
The divorce and seperation from GOD...made them the "Wild" branch of the same tree.
Need more witnesses? Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31
Hmmm. Fulfilled u say. These city's mentioned been covered yet below?
Matthew 10:23
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
---Trav on 12/24/10


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ALL of mankind TODAY are ONE of these 12 tribes ...just because the identity of these tribes has been lost to the world does not mean somehow there were people created outside of Gods creation
---Rhonda on 12/22/10

Universalist/one worlders wish they were. They are only lost to you. GOD knows where they are at. I know them by their signs/marks.
Your spur of the moment doctrine sounds nice you you but is not found as gospel in scripture.
Strange that women on this blog would want to break, inhibit, interfere GOD's marriage to a chosen bride. Why would you add something to scripture that is not there. Are you fearless or a 1/2 believer?
Heb 8:8. Who does this say it is too? What about Heb 8:10?
Matt 15:24?
---Trav on 12/24/10


The question is out of context to with the passage chosen, as the text is not talking about about who gets in. It is the description of the New Jerusalem.

The answer to the question is found in Rev 7:1-11, specifically verse 9,

"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands."
---Websmythe on 12/24/10


Has anyone thought about what Jesus said about the propets?
Didn't he say HE is the fulfillment of everything the prophets said?
I believe he did.
So, why are people trying to peddle the mess that what the prophets said was not fulfilled or that Christ is still looking for the lost sheep of Israel?
Why are some not looking at the fact that Jesus came to his own..THE LOST SHEEP and they rejected him?
Come on, when a man is giving scripture he should utilize all of scripture not just the bits and pieces that please him.
Israel is still israel, they are not the wild branch. that is the gentiles. Israel is the original branch. Again, look at all scripture.
The story of the prophets hve been fulfilled already! by Christ!
---m on 12/23/10


Luke 12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
---micha9344 on 12/23/10


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a majority of mankind today is Gentile who are NOT believers in the Biblical Christ - most are believers in the commercial churchanity "christ"

Gentiles are GRAFTED into the promise of Abraham they are not something other than a Gentile.

Either one is from tribe Israel of which one is a Jew and believes in Christ, or they are simply a Gentile who believes in Christ

ALL of mankind TODAY are ONE of these 12 tribes ...just because the identity of these tribes has been lost to the world does not mean somehow there were people created outside of Gods creation
---Rhonda on 12/22/10


trav,
it all relates. a few verses cannot stand alone. there is a reason why the sheep are lost.
---aka on 12/22/10

Well it is easy found. Sheep. Sheep lost. Divorced Sheep.
1.Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
2.Jeremiah 50:6
My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains:
3. Jeremiah 3:8
And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
---Trav on 12/22/10


trav,

it all relates. a few verses cannot stand alone. there is a reason why the sheep are lost.
---aka on 12/22/10


trav, every word of the Word must have witness, otherwise none of it is true.
if one throws out one verse of the Bible, then all must be thrown out.
1Ki 10:14
(good to see you 'round again.)
---aka on 12/21/10

If you are referring to the Rev beast question...I have not looked for a witness on this. I look for sheep,lost sheep,misled sheep,deceived sheep by the false unauthorized, unpasturized pastors of today.
All I can do it point to Prophets of GOD confirming statements.

This Beast will be a witness unto himself on arrival.
You look for the scriptural witness of and point for us. This is a concern of yours. If you care about us, point.
---Trav on 12/22/10


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trav, every word of the Word must have witness, otherwise none of it is true.

if one throws out one verse of the Bible, then all must be thrown out.

1Ki 10:14

(good to see you 'round again.)
---aka on 12/21/10

Not everyone feels as warmly as yourself...ha. My, how scripture does provoke on a Christian site.
br>Did not get the point on your scripture above....but, did see a neat thing in the preceding verses. Queen of Eygpt outside the forest honoring the head of the wife of GOD made the for-ever statement below:

9Blessed be the LORD thy God, which delighted in thee, to set thee on the throne of Israel: because the LORD loved Israel for ever, therefore made he thee king, to do judgment and justice.
---Trav on 12/22/10


Trav ... Please be clear. What do you think Bible means. ---alan8566_of_uk on 12/21/10

It is not clear or all would see. All were not meant to see as Christ pointed out.
I see most Christians on this site for example...exclude the unexcludable in scripture. Astounding to me when scripture is pointed to in the hundreds and thousands witnessing. Most Christians will go against the Prophets! Most Christians here believe Judah equals all of Israel. When scripture testifys otherwise? 2 reasons for this and witness for it.
Hosea 2:6 Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths.
Another linking precept is found in Isa.
---Trav on 12/22/10


trav, every word of the Word must have witness, otherwise none of it is true.

if one throws out one verse of the Bible, then all must be thrown out.

1Ki 10:14

(good to see you 'round again.)
---aka on 12/21/10


Trav ... Please be clear. What do you think the Bible means. You ppear to say that only Jews and gentiles can get to heaven.

And you dsfine Gentiles as sons of Israel.

Since there are those races not descended from Israel, are you saying that some races will be excluded?
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/21/10


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Trav, Rev 21:12 only describes a portion of the whole.
---kathr4453 on 12/21/10

Scriptural prophets trump ur opinions.
Matthew 25:32
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Revelation 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
---Trav on 12/21/10


Trav, i believe your false doctrine fails to see earlier in Revelation there are NATIONS, tongues, tribes etc, of all kindreds of the world/earth...

You are totally blind to that.

Why would I be jealous. As a born afgain Jew, I'm thrilled that jew, gentile, black, asians, native americans, representing ALL kindreds of the /earth/world will be in heaven.What's to be jealous about that?

Trav, Rev 21:12 only describes a portion of the whole.

If I were describing something, and all you heard iis black hair..and went on a tangent finding black hair people, but failed to listen to the rest..that the rest of the description wasn't a person but a horse, now how silly is that?
---kathr4453 on 12/21/10


I believe this is a picture of ALL GOD'S REDEEMED from Genesis through Revelation, Jew, Gentile, The Church, those saved through the great trib...etc.
---kathr4453 on 12/20/10

Here again your reasoning is your blindness.
Redeemed: to buy back that which was previously yours. From Genesis to Revelations....Israel.
Your jealousy affects your good judgement.
---Trav on 12/21/10


trav, provide OT witness for the number used in Rev 13:18.
---aka on 12/20/10

Joseph, aka_joseph, aka.joseph. Israel is OTcovenant witnessed.
If this is New Covenant forward prophecy (it is)....there is no Old Covenant witness.
Is not something I research....haven't been concerned with this beast....realizing that "Christ's" followers will know this beast/man.

There is a warning in Revelations for those that add to or take away. Some here, fearless take interpretive liberty's....not Trav.
---Trav on 12/21/10


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trav, provide OT witness for the number used in Rev 13:18.
---aka on 12/20/10


Alan, when I read Rev 21, I read the whole chapter. It s really amazing. It starts, Let me show you the BRIDE, the Lambs wife, then proceeds to the end of the chapter. Here describes the New Heaven and earth.

We also see at the end, the NATIONS will come as well.

I believe this is a picture of ALL GOD'S REDEEMED from Genesis through Revelation, Jew, Gentile, The Church, those saved through the great trib...etc.
---kathr4453 on 12/20/10


aka ... yes it does seem as if trav does not want to answer my question
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/19/10


Scripture answers/ed all questions you've posted....is there another part you prefer me to post multiple witnesses on?
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 25:32
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Ezekiel 34:12
As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered, so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
---Trav on 12/20/10


aka ... yes it does seem as if trav does not want to answer my question
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/19/10


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Mar 4:13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

Alan, it is not important what any person means if they want to be elusive. even our Savior knew his disciples limitations and explained what they could not understand.

we are to build each other up. the peolpe that are not able to hear are people who don't want to hear and not those who can't figure it out yet.

Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables, that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Luk 8:11 Now the parable is this:
---aka on 12/19/10


alan: One cannot get through reading the New Testament without understanding that the gentiles are saved through faith in Jesus Christ. That salvation is just as real as anyone who is first descendant of one of the 12 tribes. According to scripture a believing gentile is "grafted in" so are included in the "spiritual Israel".
---jody on 12/19/10


The twelves tribes of Israel is just a name ... like the Toronto Maple Leafs or the Detroit Tigers. Each individual within the team has his own individual name. When you enter in thru the narrow gate you enter into the tribes. Whether you stay on the narrow path is up to you.

The Kingdom was originally Israel but they refused to obey God. Now it is open to whosover will enter in and keep the commandments of God and obey Him.
---barb on 12/19/10


Thanks everyone ... but you don't explain what Trav said.

We must wait on him,..---alan8566_of_uk on 12/18/10

A scriptural mindset revealed even on this site. If you won't hear prophets or one raised from the dead...why would you hear Trav? My mission is Christ mission... Lost Sheep. Jhn 15:24 He that loveth me not...keepeth not my....
John 17:9 ....I pray not for the world, but

Luke 22:30
That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Revelation 21:12
And had a wall great and high, had twelve gates, at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
---Trav on 12/19/10


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Kathr ... It was on the "how to witness to a Muslim" blog, and Trav appeared to say that heaven could only be entered by the 12 tribes of Israel, including 11 lost

He seemed to say that those 11 lost tribes were the Gentiles.

That definition would exclude any races (to use a word which is so often abused) which were not from the lost tribes ...people such as nordics and orientals etc etc

But I seem to recall sometime ago that a blogger (maybe trav?) was saying Caucasians were racially from Israel & therefore OK, whereas orientals and blacks were not, and so were excluded.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/18/10


Alan what exactly did trav say? I remember years ago runnng into someone who believed teh 12 tribes were actually residents of different countries. EXample: Sweden =Dan, Germany =Ruben etc.

It's really a strange theory doctrine. I knew right away it was not truth.
---kathr4453 on 12/18/10


Thanks everyone ... but you don't explain what Trav said.

We must wait on him, I suppose
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/18/10


Alan, the rest of the verses say AND the 12 Apostles...making up the foundation holding up the walls.
---kathr4453 on 12/18/10


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All nations of people throughout the whole world, Jew and Gentile have all come from one single blood, Adam, and Christ was a Jew, and therefore those born-again Christians born from Christ are also Jews. Those who embrace Christ will sit at his table with him, and those who reject and blaspheme Christ will not be found at out table but are without.
---Eloy on 12/18/10


Anyone who accepts Jesus as Savior goes to heaven.There are some Jews here in the US who have accepted Jesus as their Messiah and they call themselves completed Jews.
---shirley on 12/18/10


//Gentile/ethnos/Nations referred to Divorced Israel//

gentiles are now part of ethnos?
---aka on 12/18/10


"Does this mean that only those from those 12 tribes can enter Heaven, and not Gentiles?" No.
Only those who refuse to willing acknowledge and submit to the Lordship of The Christ will be refused entrance.
---Josef on 12/18/10


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Simply put Jews are not gentiles and gentiles are not Jews. If they were they would be called Jews.

As recorded in Romans 11:13 Paul says he is an apostle to the gentiles. If he was an apostle to Jews he would have said he was an apostle to Jews!

Acts 17 records how Paul preached to the Athenians and you will see they had no idea what he was talking about so (vs. 24) he began giving them a foundation, leading to the gospel. They had no idea because being Gentiles they had no Jewish tradition and didn't know Jewish history. They had a large number of god's and Paul had to tell them about the only Creator God.

They were Gentiles, not related to those who inhabited the promised land.

Obviously Gentiles can be saved.
---Warwick on 12/18/10


Warwick ... I was hoping that trav would explain what he was saying in the blog about witnessing to Muslims.

He seemed there to say that entry to heaven would be limited to the 12 tribes.

He has below said that gentiles are the lost tribes of Israel.

That would appear to differe from your understanding (and mine) of Gentile, which I had always thought was ALL non-Jews.

Since I am not a member of one of the lost ribes of Israel, that would exclude me from heaven
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/18/10


trav ... Thank you for not answering my question. But since you know the answer, can you give more clues as to what you are saying.

That then would mean that those lost (divorced) tribes will enter heaven.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/17/10

It is what you want me to say...but, I'm not GOD. GOD can do anything he wants to. I only know what scripture says and man has mistranslated. You want me to do your work. Do your own asking and work. I've just pointed....but, witness/see that some scripture is just not popular.
Matt 10:6/15:24, Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31 Rev 21. Just a few of thousands.
---Trav on 12/18/10


Alan, Racism was the norm back in the day, Israelites were forbidden to marry non Israelites. This of course is not true today,
If you take Revelation as "literal' you will come up with all kinds of pit falls!
---1st_cliff on 12/16/10



It should be...to a christian. Rather than believe scripture make up your own Bible Cliff. Make your own truths. Many here do. Each ethnos is special. GOD says so.
Deuteronomy 10:15
Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.

The diff between me and thee is: whether I am or not...GOD is just and will still do what he will do. Get used to it, would be my thought.
---Trav on 12/18/10


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As recorded in Romans 11:13 Paul says he is an apostle to the gentiles.
If he was an apostle to Jews he would have said he was an apostle to Jews!
---Warwick on 12/17/10

Then Paul broke Christ's commands. Paul knew what the prophets prophesied. Nah. He is not like Uworld preachers today....he wouldn't do that.
Matt 10:6/15:24.

Paul knew who these sheep were....the Lost Sheep of the Nth house nations.
John 11:52
And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad
James 1:1 also.
1 Peter 1:1
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered
---Trav on 12/18/10


Simply put Jews are not gentiles and gentiles are not Jews. If they were they would be called Jews.

As recorded in Romans 11:13 Paul says he is an apostle to the gentiles. If he was an apostle to Jews he would have said he was an apostle to Jews!

Acts 17 records how Paul preached to the Athenians and you will see they had no idea what he was talking about so (vs. 24) he began giving them a foundation, leading to the gospel. They had no idea because being Gentiles they had no Jewish tradition and didn't know Jewish history. They had a large number of god's and Paul had to tell them about the only Creator God.

They were Gentiles, not related to those who inhabited the promised land.

Obviously Gentiles can be saved.
---Warwick on 12/17/10


"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands," (Revelation 7:9) So, it looks like there will be non-Jewish "peoples" and "nations". Israel is one nation. This says there will be "nations". And these will be "before the Lamb". But will there be a "Heaven" away from the new earth . . . if the New Jerusalem was "coming down out of heaven" (Revelation 21:2)?
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/17/10


12-2-5+7=12

12=12-2-5-1+1+7=12
---aka on 12/17/10


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trav ... Thank you for not answering my question. But since you know the answer, can you give more clues as to what you are saying.

I think you are saying that Gentiles are the lost tribes of Israel, and not other peoples.

That then would mean that those lost (divorced) tribes will enter heaven.

But other races, such as nordics, indian, chinese, arab, aborigine, would never have any chance whatsoever of being saved.

Is that what you are saying?
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/17/10


God is not a prejudicial racist, nor a respector of persons: for he looks upon each individual heart, and judges accordingly. Remember Adam? and remember Christ? "God has made of One Blood All Nations of men for to dwell upon all the face of the earth." Act.17:26.
---Eloy on 12/16/10


Trav ... Not sure what you are saying.

Do you mean all Gentiles are of the 12 tribes of Israel?
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/16/10

As pointed to, research Gentile. Gentile/ethnos/Nations referred to Divorced Israel in contextual/prophetical usage. Divorced Israel, is not Judah. It is the other eleven hidden/lost sheep peoples that walk through the gates being judged. The were divorced under the law,and can be judged under the law. Also can be remarried because the were widowed. The Bridegroom cometh...Heb 8:8.
Did you love marry many diverse women or chose one...above all others.
---Trav on 12/16/10


from my calculation:

12-2-5+7=12

children of Israel.

are all children of Israel purebred?

is any child of Israel purebred?
---aka on 12/16/10


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Alan, Racism was the norm back in the day, Israelites were forbidden to marry non Israelites. This of course is not true today, Christians should marry Christians for the sake of harmony, but this is not "racist" If you take Revelation as "literal' you will come up with all kinds of pit falls!
I doubt there's one "literal" verse in the whole book!
---1st_cliff on 12/16/10


NO, this does NOT mean that only Jews can be saved. It means that those names of the 12 Tribes are written in Heaven.
---Leslie on 12/16/10


Trav ... Not sure what you are saying.

Do you mean all Gentiles are of the 12 tribes of Israel?

Are you saying all the different racial groups are so descended?

Or that some races, not being so descended, are incapably of being saved?
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/16/10


Maybe God realizing the Jews were such stiff-necked people decided to keep them segregated from the rest of the church by keeping them within the confines of the New Jerusalem.
---leej on 12/16/10


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Does this mean that only those from those 12 tribes can enter Heaven, and not Gentiles?....blog question

The first thing a searcher should do past asking the only Teacher, Christ....is research Gen-tilis.
It is a latin word. It orginally meant not of Rome. It's found in the OT although it doesn't fit the original Hebrew. It is found in the N.Covenant...as a misunderstood translation. Ethnos/nation = gen in Latin. Gentilis means belonging too.
The second thing is to realize....these Nth House lost sheep nations lost their married name of Israel by divorce. Judah...was not divorced....she was widowed along with the Nth House. Ethnos of Israel.
---Trav on 12/16/10


First, this is the New Jerusalem, not Heaven.

Next, that would be an odd interpretation of a clearly Christian writing.
---Cluny on 12/16/10


Galatians 3:28-29, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
---Bruce5656 on 12/16/10




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