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Jesus' True Birthday

Does John the Baptist's birth tell us about Jesus' approximate birth date?

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Billy Benson--
I think you are exactly right! This is a "Christian" site, but whatever you say, somebody is going to disagree.
---Donna66 on 1/1/11


Sorry Alan,

I meant the arguement part as a general observation. It was not meant for Billy. I should have made that clearer. It was relating to many of the past posts when you ask someone for proof and they don't have it. As they realize they lost the argument, they usually say something "Holier Than Thou" (i.e Eloy)


WELCOME ABOARD BILLY!
---John on 1/1/11


Billy Benson you are right we don't really need the date of Christs birth to be saved. All we really need to know is because of Christs birth,death,burial,and resurection and he lives now,we can walk a path which will take us to heaven. Sometimes we humans make a big to do about something so small in the scheme of our Christian walk with Christ that it seems like wasted effort because it doesn't really matter anyway.
---Darlene_1 on 1/1/11


Wow, John
I guess not much more can be said about being an example and edifying the body of Christ....truth in Love, brother
1Pet 3:8-12 Finally, [be ye] all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, [be] pitiful, [be] courteous: Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing, knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing. For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: Let him eschew evil, and do good, let him seek peace, and ensue it. For the eyes of the Lord [are] over the righteous, and his ears [are open] unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord [is] against them that do evil.
---micha9344 on 1/1/11


The day, you give him life in your heart.
You can call that, his day of birth.
This would be ok with him!
---TheSeg on 1/1/11




John ... You are a bit sharp of the mark in implying that Billy has nothing to say, or is losing the argument.

FYI, this is the first contribution that Billy has made to blogs, and so to syuggest he is losing the argument is a bit over the top.
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/1/11


We need only celebrate and thank God for sending Jesus to earth to save sinful man(US) than know the exact date. --Billy_Benson

And your point is???

When we hear this it comes from someone who has nothing to contribute or someone who is losing an arguement. So they pretend to take the high road and act "holier than thou" and dispence something we already know.

Your post is not relvant since all here concluded your statement many years ago.

FYI.. The Blog is Christian Billy.

If we decided to say that. Then there will be NO Blogs no discusions ever..

INTERPRETATION...
"SAVE BY GRACE! WHO CARES ABOUT THIS GUY AND THAT BOOK!"

Scriptual ignorance is definetly NOT bliss!
---John on 1/1/11


We need only celebrate and thank God for sending Jesus to earth to save sinful man(US) than know the exact date. In other words our soul's salvation does not depend upon knowing this date.
---Billy_Benson on 12/31/10


Yes, John the baptist's birth can reveal to us when Christ was born, because Mary conceived when Elizabeth was in her sixth month of pregancy, which reveals to us that Christ was born nine after this time. ref: Lk.1:26,27,31,36.
---Eloy on 12/31/10


YES. LUKE 1:35-36 says that at the time that YAHUSHUA (JESUS) was conceived in the womb of Miriam (Mary), by the HOLY SPIRIT, the mother of Yohanan (John the Baptist) was already 6 months pregnant with the Baptist child.
---Gordon on 1/1/11




Leslie: According to the Bible, Jesus was born during the fall feast of Tabernacles in September.

Since I cannot find that in the Bible (the only Book that gives evidence in Luke, but still I can't find it) could you explain how you found it?

Thanks
---peter3594 on 12/31/10


Aka: if we take the time when Zacharias was offering the the sacrifice as the day of atonement (we cannot be sure, but we could asume that) then we can GUESS an approximate date. But threr are two thing we also must GUESS: (1) How long before Zacharias went home and his wife got pregnant, and (2) we are only told that '[Elizabeth] is in her sixth month (which lasts for one month).

So we can only guess, but it would lead to a time in the autumn [or possibly, I think] even December
---James on 12/31/10


'The unregenerate continue to mock, and the Christians will continue with The Truth.'- (Eloy 12/30/100

So God(AKA:NON-MOCKING Eloy)
Should we address you by your other names as well..

IAM
ELOHIM
ADONIA
JEHOVAH
EL SADDAI
EL ELYON
ABIR
YHWH
EL OLAM
YESHUA
KEDOSH
LORD
PALET
OTHER TITLES I DID NOT LIST...

So it was YOU whom Jesus cried out to on the cross!
(Psalm 22)

And so you are one we honor in the Shema!

Can you spell:
B-L-A-S-P-H-E-M-Y
---John on 12/31/10


'The unregenerate continue to mock, and the Christians will continue with The Truth.'- (Eloy 12/30/100

So Eloy, when are you going to stop mocking God and his son Jesus Christ and become a Christian?

You have no defence against what is stated at Haggai 2:10,18. Your twisting of Haggai's words is for all to see. Your belief in December 25 pagan festival is Biblically indefensible and inexusable.

For you as a pagan worshipper of Mithra on its birthday of December 25, your continued tiade of abuse carries no weight whatsoever.
---David8318 on 12/31/10


everyday sounds like a good day to me!
---aka on 12/29/10


I rejoice with you-
Amen brother.
---char on 12/31/10


Just wondering...

Is it a sin to celebrate the birth of our own child if it just so happens to fall on the day of a pagan gods feast?

If not, why is it any different for Gods Son?

All this bickering does is attempt to limit the time we DO spend praising God for what he has done. The one behind such an attempt is obviously the one who would steal our liberty in Jesus Christ and cause us to unnecessarily feel guilt over which day we celebrate His birth on. Many wolves in sheeps clothing on this website.

See them for who they are.
---CraigA on 12/31/10


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yes it does matter about the birth of the son of man we or most have not really read his word,and are being like sheep just following the others but if you read his word you will see the truth in what the lord was saying john was 9 months old than the son of man
---moses on 12/30/10


David, The unregenerate continue to mock, and the Christians will continue with The Truth.
---Eloy on 12/30/10


Biblical Jesus:
His date of birth was never mentioned in the Scripture, let alone instruction to "celebrate" His birthday.

Pagan Jesus:
Is not of the Bible, tells you to celebrate on 25 December every year and deceives the world that it's the Jesus of the Bible.

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Matthew 12:36,37
---christan on 12/30/10


celebrate-Yehovahs' PERFECT Plan of Salvation. ---char on 12/29/10

everyday sounds like a good day to me!
---aka on 12/29/10


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Side track by dates?
Keep your eye on the seed-from aleph to tav Christ-Yeshua-Emmanuel-is defined and named-God with us.
The enemy clouds confused-chaos'--He can't change the fact-God is Saviour.Heart of Man-Yehovah knows-We are foolish-loves us-given His mercy and grace-Living Word-Yeshu'a.
Linerage proven only one King of King and Lord of Lords-
As "Son of God" the Heir of ALL Things(Heb1:2) as "Son of Man" He is the Heir to that dominion in the earth entrusted to the first man-forfieted by him.
Son Of Abraham-Mat1:1,Gen 15:18-21.
Son of David-Mat1:1,Lk 2:32, Heir to the throne 2Sam 7:12-16,Is11:1,Acts2:29-32:13:33-37, Rev 5:5,22:16


Repentance unto Remission-
Tree of Life Gen 3:24-Rev 22:14
---char on 12/29/10


Maybe someone could direct me toward the notion of a common fall census directed by a European Emporer in view of a Middle-Eastern perspective...
The only thing I found was 3 seperate census' directed by Augustus in that region averaging about 8 years apart, in which it probably took all year to accomplish each.
Even with our modern methods, our 10 year census takes as least 6 months...
---micha9344 on 12/29/10


The enemy does not want mankind to celebrate-Yeshua's Birth or Resurrection--At All.
Pagan holidays are thrown in the mix to confuse and defuse-truth. BUT- Heavens declare the Glory and story-It is written in them and can not be changed-Ps19.
Mix-up with the dates-but what is the Point?Celebrate-Immanuel-God with us as Declared the virgin gave birth to Emmanuel-God with us-Promised seed of the Women-Is 9:6-7-The branch written in the stars as(Tsemech)Messiah.
Whether "Begetting"-(Tebeth) or "conception"-Nativity (Tesri)
Praise Him for His mercy and grace.
---char on 12/29/10


I agree with David on this one-However-We Are Subject to Error.
Birth-15th day of the seveth Jewish month called Tisri or Ethanism(Sept 29)Lev 23:29.
(Conception or "Begetting")-1st Tebeth(Dec 25).

HOWEVER--I say celebrate-Yehovahs' PERFECT Plan of Salvation.
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Matthew 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

Emmanuel--God with us-Praise Him for His mercy and Grace--Don't let your joy be stolen.
---char on 12/29/10


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micha9344 - If you look at history you will see that the census would always take place during the fall feasts in Sep. on our calendar. During this census time, you read that Joseph had to go to his hometown to take it. This is when Christ was born. It may not say it spacificly in the Bible, but it is there. This is why you MUST read the Bible from a Middle-Eastern perspective to "get it", NOT a Western one.
---Leslie on 12/29/10


Eloy, your lack of spiritual comprehension of Haggai's message reveals your true pagan identity.

You claim Haggai prophesied 'about a new temple', not the one the Israelites were rebuilding. This is not true. The Israelites became lax, and begged off rebuilding the temple. God expressed his displeasure identifying the Israelites had gone to dwelling in 'paneled houses' while leaving God's 'house waste' (Hag.1:3).

You falsely use Hag.2:18 to link 'the 24th day of the 9th month' with your December 25 pagan festival. This is pagan falsehood and lies. Look at Hag.2:10, it shows clearly it is Jehovah's word of encouragement through Haggai that was made on 'the 24th day of the 9th month'.

December 25 remains your pagan holy-day.
---David8318 on 12/29/10


That was just a Joke Cluny!
---John on 12/28/10


\\I imagine you read the entire Talmud. No both versions of the Talmud and then read the all writings of Luther. \\

Are you saying that YOU have?

Why should the writings of the scribes and pharisees who rejected Jesus or the ravings of someone who thought he was infallible interest me?
---Cluny on 12/28/10


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No.
---Cluny on 12/27/10
Well I got to say that is the shortest thesis I've ever seen you post my friend.

I imagine you read the entire Talmud. No both versions of the Talmud and then read the all writings of Luther.

Then ponder it for a while and gave me this answer.

:)
---John on 12/27/10


David, Because the Israelites were rebuilding the temple during the time that Heggai prophesied about a new temple, this natural coincidence does not mean that his prophecy applies to the temple that they were currently building at that time. On the contrary, when you read the details of the prophecy you can plainly see that his prophecy cannot apply to the current temple being built, but instead clearly applies to the New Covenant Temple with Christ being the foundation, exactly as he prophesied.
---Eloy on 12/28/10


Does it matter what day? The fact is He came to redeem and was born for our benefit as Scripture set forth. The birth of Jesus, his crucifixion and resurrection was established before the foundation of this world. God is more concerned with one's accepting Salvation through Christ, rather than wrangling over a calendar date. If one should be concerned about a date, it should be today..today being the acceptable time to be one with God through Christ.
---Clearcut on 12/28/10


According to the Bible, Jesus was born during the fall feast of Tabernacles in September. It was later changed to Dec. 25th by early Christians during the time of Constantine who liked the Pagan celebration of the sun god and winter soltise - however, this in NOT Biblical but Pagan.
---Leslie on 12/27/10

It was not because the Pope liked the pagan celebration. It was because he wanted the church to compete with the pagan celebrations and attract people away from it and into the church. Learn your history!
---Obewan on 12/27/10


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\\Could this be the day of his birth?
---John on 12/27/10\\

No.
---Cluny on 12/27/10


Interesting point Blogger9211.

There is the Solemn Sabbath in August. It is the day both temples were destroyed. (Interesting fact is both temples were destroyed on the same date. Coincidence?)

It is the Mourning of the destruction of the Temples.

But the following Sabbath is called the Sabbath of the Messiah. It is usually the third week in August. It alludes to the fact that Messiah Himself will be the Third Temple.

Could this be the day of his birth?
---John on 12/27/10


Wow, Leslie, I must have a part missing out of my Bible.
Maybe you can direct us to where it says September or the equivelant thereof?
I also find it interesting that the days of the week and months of the year are also of pagan origin honoring certain gods, does this not concern the opponents of Christmas?
2Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new.
1Cor 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
Phi 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached, and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
---micha9344 on 12/27/10


According to the Bible, Jesus was born during the fall feast of Tabernacles in September. It was later changed to Dec. 25th by early Christians during the time of Constantine who liked the Pagan celebration of the sun god and winter soltise - however, this in NOT Biblical but Pagan.
---Leslie on 12/27/10


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It makes no difference whether we know Jesus's Birthday or not we are not told to worship it or on this day. The fact that we have Christmas is a direct compromise of the traditions which stood prior to the church taking over the festivals of the heathens to win them to christ.

Because they did this we have Christ(mas)and forgot the real things we should be keeping such as fasting/prayer and feet washing/ communion.
---Carla on 12/27/10


David, more lies.
---Eloy on 12/27/10


We know that Heggai was prophesying of the Chief Cornerstone, Christ Jesus the beginning of the New Testament church, and not about the old testament church during Heggai's time, because God clearly details in his prophecy: "And I will shake all nations, and the Desire of All Nations will come: and I will fill this house with glory, says Yhwh of hosts. The glory of this latter house will be greater than of the former, says Yhwh of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, says Yhwh of hosts. I will shake the heavens and the earth: and I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms, and I will destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the nations." Heg.2:7,9,22.
---Eloy on 12/27/10


He was also resurrected on Easter. Wouldn't that be a sort of birthday?
---tonne on 12/27/10


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Eloy- the only Hebrew scriptures you use in an attempt to support your pagan December 25 festival is Haggai 2:18. Jesus' birth is not the 'foundation' described at Hag.2:18.

What you don't realise is Haggai was writing about the same temple the Israelites rebuilt in Jerusalem after captivity in Babylon. Ezra an eyewitness to the laying of the temple foundation reports it was laid in the '2nd month'- Ezra 3:8,10. I'm not lying- it's what the Bible teaches.

Haggai was writing 17 years after the foundation was laid by Ezra. The Israelites became lax in their efforts and needed encouragement. Haggai gave that encouragement on the '24th day of the 9th month' -Hag.2:18.

Rather than scream 'blasphemy', try defending your belief.
---David8318 on 12/27/10


John, I do agree with you about Christ being born during High Holy days but Rosh Hashanah is the day associated with the creation of Adam and any one to be the Second Adam and a Messiah one would have to be born on that anniversary or thy can't meet the Talmud requirement to be a Jewish Messiah.
---Blogger9211 on 12/27/10


Elder, point taken. Since I am a hardcore born-again Christian and a serious worshiper of The Truth, and perhaps my genetic blondness may also play a part in my thought processes, most of the data that I intake is analized as serious data rather than pun. I do have some dry humor, but that is not one of my fortes. When someone says a pun in a room and everybody laughs, sometimes I will laugh along eventhough I do not understand the pun or the definition referred to in the pun which everyone else seems to know and therefore is laughing at it. I am a little slow at jokes, and that is probably why I do not really like them, sort of like wrapped gifts, you are not really quite sure of what is exactly hidden inside.
---Eloy on 12/26/10


David, I am not in error as you sinuously bear false witness, for I cite the books and chapters and verses to support The Truth I preach, and I also have corrected you more than once for your falsehood: "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, because they have no light in them." Isaiah 8:20.
---Eloy on 12/26/10


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We know that David is posting falsehood, because the Scriptures explicitly declare in both testaments, not just in the old and not just in the New, but the detailed witness of Christ's exact time of birth is recorded in both testaments. Therefore, for all the falsehood David posts, The Truth still outshines his blasphemies.
---Eloy on 12/26/10


\\Cluny- irrespective of whether Zechariah was a 'deputy' High Priest or not, the fact remains that Atonement Day did not occur during 'the Division of Abijah'. ...\\

I'm aware that there were other Cohenim, so this is nothing new to me.

But are you aware that only NEW priests would be offering the daily incense? This was their privilege. For an older priest to take this duty was unusual.

Furthermore, those who were appointed deputies to the Kohen ha Gadol, as I earlier described, had and retained for the rest of their lives, all the honor and precedence of the regnant High Priest, even if they did not act for him.
---Cluny on 12/26/10


I orginally believed He was born during the "Days of Awe" (The High Holy Days)giving weight to Sukkot and possibly Yom Kippur.

However, now I'm not quite sure.

If he why born during these days wouldn't Matthew have mentioned it. I think he would have and he would have also given the OT background significance of the birth on that Holy Day.
---John on 12/26/10


And yet what I still see missing is that it is a weekly schedule and what starting point of the 24 divisions.
I have read 1Chr 24 and do not see this information.
Is this information extra-biblical?
---micha9344 on 12/26/10


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Mich9344- the priests were organised into 24 'Divisions', assigned to serve for a week at the temple. A priest of each division would get to serve at the temple twice each year, at approximately six-month intervals- 1 Chron.24:1-19.

The 1st course began serving immediately after the end of the Festival of Tabernacles, around late September/early October, which began 5 days after Atonement Day. Thus, the 8th division, named after Abijah, served a week in late November/early December, and then another week in late June/early July.

This is where Eloy's calculations are wholly in error as he believes John was conceived during Atonement Day- Ethanim (Tishri) 10. But Atonement Day did not occur during 'the Division of Abijah'- Lu.1:5.
---David8318 on 12/26/10


Cluny- irrespective of whether Zechariah was a 'deputy' High Priest or not, the fact remains that Atonement Day did not occur during 'the Division of Abijah'. John the Baptist was not conceived on the 10th day of Ethanim (Tishri).

You and Eloy appear to be bereft of knowledge of Israel's priesthood. Do you believe Israel only had a High Priest? Do you not realise that there were 'under-priests' assigned to temple duties at the sanctuary, organised into 24 divisions to serve their turn at the temple. Is this all news to you?

Zechariah was performing his weekly temple duties during 'the Division of Abijah... to offer incense when he entered into the sanctuary' (not the Most Holy as required on Atonement Day)- Lu.1:5,9.
---David8318 on 12/26/10


\\The best hint come from the book Luke\\

It also says that the Nativity was at the time of the census/taxing ordered by Augustus when Qurinus (aka Cyrenus) was governor of Syria.
---Cluny on 12/26/10


Moderator, I noticed that one of you were working on Christmas day. I just wanted to say thanks for your dedication.
Eloy you take things too seriously. I was poking fun at you. Com'on laugh a little.
---Elder on 12/26/10


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NonChristians around the world set all manner of fixed dates, which have zero relativity to the facts recorded in the holy Scripture, which facts recorded in the holy Scripture the date setters either disregard or are wholly ignorant of.
---Eloy on 12/26/10


\\1. Atonement Day did not occur during 'the Division of Abijah'- Luke 1:5. Thus, John was not conceived during Ethanim.

2. Zechariah was not the High Priest.\\

Of course, kohanim were NEVER called out of their course into serve when there was a shortage or some of the appointed priests were sick, were they?

Actually, not only the Kohen ha Gadol (High Priest) was kept in isolation for several days before Yom Kippur, but several other priests were as well to be able to act in his stead. They would be given all the honors of the regnant High Priest. Do you have any evidence that St. Zachariah was not among them?
---Cluny on 12/26/10


There are no details about the actual birth of Christ. The best hint come from the book Luke were he refers to the shepards in the field watching the sheep. Sheep were brought in from the fields in the early fall and were put out in fields,usuaaly in March. This would indicate Christ could have been born between March and October when the sheep were in the fields.
---wivv on 12/26/10


Little known (maybe even of little interest to Americans) fact that St Jean Batiste day, June 24 is a provincial holiday in Quebec,a Catholic province, the date fixed to match exactly 6 months to Christmas eve!
---1st_cliff on 12/26/10


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i agree Christ is the new passover sacrifice "This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood"

however, He did not specify this as an annual tradition. Now, that Christ is risen, He freed us to remember Him whenever that we eat and drink together.

Christ also said, "Do this [break bread - eat] in remembrance of me". he did not actually narrow down what we were supposed to remember about Him. we are free to remember all of which He gave us in the scriptures...his coming, twelfth year, and the course of His Death and Resurrection.

i do not care what date He was actually born, but i will include the arrival of "God among us" in my remembrance of Him....Jesus Christ.
---aka on 12/26/10


aka, pay no mind to the dissers. I hope that my accurate detailed scriptures help you to answer your question.
---Eloy on 12/25/10


If one could show that the 24 divisions of priests were on a semi-monthly work shift, then David8318 may have something there,---micha9344

Bible truth however has the power to dismantle pagan falsehoods. --David8318 on 12/25/10on 12/25/10

i agree.. i have learned to stop casting out the Baby with the Evil One's bathwater.

Man is either constantly trying to fit the things of Jesus Christ into where it does not fit, or trying to deny Jesus Christ by man's folly and twisting of Scripture.

example in the "Are Some Churches Unbiblical" blog.
---aka on 12/25/10


Blessings to you also Elder!
---Moderator on 12/25/10


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Merry Christmas and God bless whoever is at the CN controls this day.
---Elder on 12/25/10


Elder, you err. Please read the scriptural references which I have clearly posted to be read.
---Eloy on 12/25/10


Eloy you have the dates mixed up. It is Oct 6th. That's my birthday.
There is no birthday candle light in you at all. You live in party darkness and are lost on the wrong street. You cannot eat of the birthday cake unless you bring me a gift. (And, none of junk you normally give out either.)
---Elder on 12/25/10


Eloy's attempt to hijack scripture into the pagan mold just does not stand up to scrutiny for at least 3 important reasons which genuine Bible scholars will immediately recognise.

1. Atonement Day did not occur during 'the Division of Abijah'- Luke 1:5. Thus, John was not conceived during Ethanim.

2. Zechariah was not the High Priest.

3. Haggai 2:18 is not a prophecy regarding the laying of Jehovah's temple foundation on the '24th day of the 9th month'. That foundation was laid in the '2nd month' according to Ezra (see Ezr.3:8,10). Haggai was writing 17 years AFTER the foundation was laid.

Eloy is a classic example of a pagan twisting scripture. Bible truth however has the power to dismantle pagan falsehoods.
---David8318 on 12/25/10


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The actual birthdate was not recorded, perhaps because Jesus is eternal and gives us eternal life. Therefore, birtdays are irrelevant in God's eyes.
---KarenD on 12/25/10


\\Do you know that NOT ONE Church ever claimed Jesus was
born on Dec 25th.\\

Actually, there is some evidence that the Nativity According to the Flesh of Our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ took place in late December.

December 25 was first suggested as the day in 211 by a Christian writer.
---Cluny on 12/25/10


If one could show that the 24 divisions of priests were on a semi-monthly work shift, then David8318 may have something there, otherwise, insert an erroneous number into an equation gives erroneus results.
I tend to agree more with the signs God preplanned into the stars and their precise paths through the heavens foretelling His redemptive plan for all mankind.
Mat 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Mat 2:9 When they had heard the king, they departed, and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
---micha9344 on 12/25/10


I wonder why the bible doesn't record the actual date of Jesus birth.
****

births were not celebrated by the people of The TRUE God ...the Jewish people understood these were pagan traditions

Christ as a Jew would never command people to observe pagan traditions - the very things HE will destroy when HE returns to rule the earth from Jerusalem

Christ asked HIS followers to observe his death annually at Passover - Christ is the NEW passover

don't follow lying men who SERVE another god with their pagan practices
---Rhonda on 12/25/10


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Eloy you just crack me up! Did you post that mess with a straight face?

Do you know that NOT ONE Church ever claimed Jesus was
born on Dec 25th.
*****

AMEN John

aside from the FACT no one on earth either during time of Christ or to present EVER believed he was born on 12/25

the verse Eloy uses DOES NOT EVEN reference, allude to, or imply anything about Christ
---Rhonda on 12/25/10


I wonder why the bible doesn't record the actual date of Jesus birth. God didn't think it important to know dates but the important fact is God sent His Son to die for us so we could have eternal life.
---shira3877 on 12/25/10


Eloy you just crack me up! Did you post that mess with a straight face?

Do you know that NOT ONE Church ever claimed Jesus was
born on Dec 25th.

The date of his birth was never the arguement. All churches agree he was NOT born on that day.

The arguement is making this Pagan Holy day, a Holy Christian day. A day Decreed Holy by the Pagan Emperor Constantine.

LOL!!!
---John on 12/25/10


Zacharias was performing the priests duty to make atonement for himself and the people in the 7th month (Hb: Ethanim= Eng: October 9 at evening- Lev.16:29-34+ 23:26-32). The angel Gabriel spoke to him at this time, Lk.1:8-11. Elizabeth in her 6th month of pregnancy, when Mary conceives seed from the Holy Ghost (from October, November is 2, December is 3, January is 4, and so on up to March is the 6th month- Lk.1:26,27,36). Now count 9 months for Mary's pregnancy, 1,end of March to the beginning of April + 2,Zif, May + 3,Siuan, June + 4,Tammuz, July + 5,Ab, August + 6,Elul, September + 7,Ethanim, October + 8,Bul, November + 9,Chisleu, December. Thus fulfilling the prophecy of Heggai 2:15-19, Jesus the Cornerstone was indeed born on December 25.
---Eloy on 12/24/10


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His birthday is supposedly in what we call "summertime" in June/july ,but we donot know for sure.
---candice on 12/24/10


I agree David.

Also the Fall Harvest was one of busiest times for commerce in Israel and thus the Inns were full. This along with the High Holy days.

Only Passover would have been more busy. With Millions of the faithful camped all around Jerusalem, along with the logistical structures for the preparation of the massive sacrificing of Passover.
---John on 12/24/10


John the Baptists conception does give us an approximate time of Jesus' birth.

Jesus was conceived 6 months after John's conception- Luke 1:26,27.

John was conceived during Zechariah's temple service duties 'in the Division of Abijah'- Luke 1:5. This was not atonement day as Eloy believes- atonement day does not occur during 'the Division of Abijah'. Neither was Zechariah High Priest- An'nas was.

Thus Jesus was born 15 months after 'the Division of Abijah'. There were 24 priestly 'divisions'- the 'Division of Abijah' was the 8th (1 Chron.24:10). Zechariah would have been serving in the 2nd round of the 8th division, during June/July. Jesus was born September/October.
---David8318 on 12/24/10




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