Today we celebrate the Lord's Birthday. What does this day really mean to you?
1: That we have not yet gotten away from paganism.
2: We love the world more that we love God
3: We just make up stuff that makes us feel good
---francis on 1/6/11|
When you celebrate Christmas season, who are you serving? G-d or YOURSELVES?
---John on 1/6/11|
It was never a Godly tradition or a requirement. It has transpired to the worldly tradition that it originated from.
If the bible is not in agreement with birthday worship why do Christians promote it?
---Carla on 1/6/11|
What you're saying, andy, is that you have no logical proof to support your contention.
As far as your spelling, "X-mass", in case you're trying to make A Statement thereby, you're not, as the X is the abbreviation for XPICTOC, the Greek spelling of Christ.
In fact, it was used nearly 1000 years ago.
---Cluny on 1/4/11|
cluny we have a proverb in my country " don't give eyeglasses and a candle to an owl that refuses to see anyhow". if what i said has not given any proof, however ity is too simple for words then that is not my problem isn't it. now proof to me that it was NOT under influence of the Catrholic church that the west started to celebrate X-mass on the 25th december. i believe you'l have more problems then i to make your point.
---andy3996 on 1/4/11|
John, I have no worries about the Lord's view of me. My heart is right with Him, regardless of when I celebrate His birth. He knows my heart, and He loves me and accepts my love for Him regardless of how I celebrate Christmas.
---Trish on 1/2/11|
I do not consider this day as the Lord's Birthday. Christ was born and that is all that matters. But I do enjoy the day. Decorations,gifts, family,friends. Cooking,eating. Just having fun. I do pray and thank God for another day. To see another Christmas. Church services and so forth. I enjoy the day just as others enjoy Super bowl and other days.
---Robyn on 1/1/11|
We went to my aunt & uncles house & ate a early dinner at 4pm & visited until 7pm,then came home & relaxed. the the next day I went to New braunsfels,tx to visit with some of my brethern & we talked about the taberacle in the OT. It was nice, & we know Jesus was born somewhere between Sept-Oct so our family doesn't celebrate him in dec just because the world does, but we do thank his father for sending his son to learn about him & his kingdom giving us this time for family & felowship.So instead of focusing on the baby Jesus we focus on him in his ministry.
---candice on 1/1/11|
If, as you've said, nearly every Church celebrated the Nativity (which I've never denied, though properly it was not just the Nativity that was commemorated, but rather a Feast of the Incarnation, incorporating the Annunciation, Adoration, and Baptism of Christ as well), then it could not have been under the influence of paganism, as this was during the persecution of the Church.
And you have offered NO proof that it was papal influence that had the Nativity on 25 December.
---Cluny on 12/31/10|
Christmas means nothing to me. I do not celebrate it in any form because there is no truth in it. Christ was not born on Dec. 25 as everyone can know if they read history books. This fact is not hidden. The Bible nowhere tells us to celebrate Christ's birth. However, it does tell us to remember His death by keeping the N.T. Passover with the emblems of the bread and wine. As is becoming more evident all the time, true Christians are hated around the world. Why then would the world (every nation keeps Christmas in some form) keep a "Christian" observance? Christmas is not Christian. You cannot put Christ back into something He was never in. The last few verses of Deut.12 are a good guide.
---Simone on 12/31/10|
The angels, shepherds, wisemen, Simeon,and Anna all celebrated because of the birth of the Christ, annionted before the foundation of the world.
If a pagan has corrupted a day that the Lord has made, should we stop rejoicing because of their sins? God forbid!
Psa 118:24 This [is] the day [which] the LORD hath made, we will rejoice and be glad in it.
Phi 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached, and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
I would rather associate myself with the above and rejoice then with Herod, Satan and others who were quite adamant about not rejoicing at the birth of Christ, no matter what day it fell on.
---micha9344 on 12/31/10|
Cluny: you mentioned about the Armenians celbrating Christmas on 6th or 19th of January - I THINK this is because they still use the old (Gregorian, isn't it, and hte new is the Julian?) calendar, and I THINK there are 11 or 12 days difference, so on the old calendar, January 12 will be December 25.
I just think that may be the case - in Greece, where I live, we used to use the old calendar until not so long ago.. so have heard about this difference
---peter3594 on 12/31/10|
so Cluny you want dates and facts so that you can disagree with them. your obviously not in this game for personal advancement since you allready know it all. by the way never i said that christmass was a 4th century papal invention i said "before the fourth century almost every bishopric celebrated X-mass on a different day. and it was under the influence of the RCC that every Catholic church was ordered to celebrate the same day" what i bassicaly said is that the RCC regulated an allready existing event. so next time think before critisising.
---andy3996 on 12/31/10|
\\Pope Julius 1 (337-352 AD)wrote to the Jerusalem church concerning 25 december Pope Liberius (352-366 AD) made some serious recomandations. \\
Your interpretation of these tidbits is based on two mistaken assumptions.
1. The observance of the Nativity According to the Flesh of Our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ was a papal invention.
2. The Bishop of Rome really had some kind of universal jursidiction in the 4th century.
Since the local Roman Church was known for its conservativism in matters of doctrine and worship, this rather is proving that the observance of the Nativity is an early established custom--that is, BEFORE the 4th century.
---Cluny on 12/30/10|
"Phooey on the party poopers who do not wish for us to celebrate"
-Trish9863 on 12/27/10
And so you say this to Jesus Himself. Who would not have attended this Pagan Ritual.
But would have comdemned all who did!!!
---John on 12/30/10|
dear cluny. for your satisfaction. Pope Julius 1 (337-352 AD)wrote to the Jerusalem church concerning 25 december Pope Liberius (352-366 AD) made some serious recomandations. St.Chrysostom gave an inspiring preaching concerning christmas day on 25 dec. that was in the year 386 or 387. before that time many celebrated Christ's birthday 6 Januari. then there is of course the phillocalian calendar AD 354. so its not a hearsay i quote. i actually visit catholic sites to know about them and how they believe.but it is true that i don't have everything already in my head when i blog.
---andy3996 on 12/30/10|
\\Cluny I'm not that good with church history that i can quote the exact papal decree who prescribed the 25th december as official celebration of the Lord's birthday, \\
In other words, you really don't know what you're taking about and cannot support it.
You're mere repeating what others have told you.
BTW--there's no such reference book as you referred to.
---Cluny on 12/29/10|
//Phooey on the party poopers who do not wish for us to celebrate the Lord's birth at this time.//
there are legitimate reasons why a few do not. if you dismiss them as "party poopers",you have dismissed Jesus as the same.
some celebrate His birth by avoiding cops while they to to find a warm grate to sleep on. some celebrate by trying to find there next meal (usually in the trash can where the parties are). some celebrate by weeping lonely in their tears because everybody is invited to the party but them and they don't know why. some of us have things to do that don't include self indulgence and have overcome man's calendar.
---aka on 12/29/10|
Cluny I'm not that good with church history that i can quote the exact papal decree who prescribed the 25th december as official celebration of the Lord's birthday, however if you login to the encyclopedeae Catholica you'l find tons of info. the good thing is that this encyclopedae is not from a secondary but first hand, its catholics explaining Catholic doctrines. an eyeopener for many in the reformed room if theyre willing to read it.
---andy3996 on 12/29/10|
\\and it was under the influence of the RCC that every Catholic church was ordered to celebrate the same day\\
Who gave this order and when?
Give the NAME, please.
---Cluny on 12/28/10|
it is true that before the fourth century almost every bishopric celebrated X-mass on a different day. and it was under the influence of the RCC that every Catholic church was ordered to celebrate the same day to me it is quite normal that whilst most of europe became finally christianised -end 8th century- it became so general in the west that soon even the Irish church adapted to this day 25 dec. only the orthodox who did not accept Roman supremacy kept their own day. when protestantism barged in noone really made efforts to change the day. so it staid 25 december up to now. i do not see any problem with that and i celebrate it with great joy.
---andy_3996 on 12/28/10|
Phooey on the party poopers who do not wish for us to celebrate the Lord's birth at this time. I celebrate people's birthdays whenever I get around to it, not always on the specific day. Because birthday celebrations are about celebrating that person's life, and entrance into the world. It matters little what day it is on.
My family always had a Happy Birthday Jesus cake for everyone to sing "Happy Birthday" with. We exchange presents, and visit with loved ones we don't get to see on a regular basis.
---Trish9863 on 12/27/10|
What does this day really mean to you?
this day really means that when the kid's come home today, i have to explain why there were more presents under the tree after they went to bed on Christmas Eve at granny's and why the cookies on the plate left for Santa were eaten when they all were sleeping.
and, i have to explain why they do not have to believe in Santa to get presents as granny told them.
it's a tradition.
---aka on 12/27/10|
John, you've never explained just how it happens that Apostolic churches that were never part of the Empire observe the Nativity of Christ on 25 December--or why the Armenians observe it on 6 or 19 January.
---Cluny on 12/27/10|
I don't care at all what day is chosen to celebrate Christ's birth. But there is no event in history (other than perhaps Christ's resurrection) that is more worth celebrating! What ever would we do without Jesus!??
I've had the advantage, in my life, of celebrating a number of Christmases alone. The Joy of HIS unbroken fellowship is better than any festivity shared with friends or family.
---Donna66 on 12/27/10|
Reba, That is a really good post. I definetly agree with you on that approach.
---John on 12/26/10|
Blessed be The Daystar, O Immanuel, given to us and shines in our hearts, for God with us: For to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord. Happy Birthday Jesus!
---Eloy on 12/27/10|
No Cluny, the True Apostolic Church (1st Century) observed what You call "Jewish" Holy Days and NEVER celebrated Christ-mass at all.
Now The heretcial imitation you refer to, was established around 300 AD and did indeed use many Pagan Icons, which they still use today within the auspices of the church Services. Church patrons standing in line to kiss these icon gods you call Saints.
---John on 12/26/10|
John, The scripture isn't full of G-d's wrath. It's full of God's wrath. G-d is what unsaved, yet polite, people use for profanity. However, I know what you're referring to. I'm aware that there are some who feel as you do about the pagan rituals. That's not even part of what we do & God knows our heart. He also knows in our heart we're not following an ancient ritual of some pagan god. The best thing for you to do for people like me, that completely disagrees with you, is pray that God opens our eyes & shows us if He's offended by our actions. So far He hasn't shown me that I'm offending Him. And yes, I have had whippings from the LORD & know when He's displeased with me.
---Reba on 12/26/10|
\\The selection of Dec 25th was NOT obitrary. It was selected/deemed Holy by the Pagan Emperor Constantine.
He added Jesus to the list of sun gods, because he heard Jesus was a god of light. \\
John, did you know that Aposotlic churches that were never part of the Empire observe the Nativity of Jesus Christ on 25 December?
How do you explain that?
\\The pagans would burn a Yule log and bring in the evergreen tree as an offering to these gods hoping they will return after winter.\\
The Eastern apostolic churches know nothing about yule logs or Christmas trees.
Nor did the pagan Romans.
Happy Humbug, John.
---Cluny on 12/26/10|
The issue is not what day He was born. As there is NOT a single church that thinks he was born on Dec 25th.
The selection of Dec 25th was NOT obitrary. It was selected/deemed Holy by the Pagan Emperor Constantine.
He added Jesus to the list of sun gods, because he heard Jesus was a god of light.
The pagans would burn a Yule log and bring in the evergreen tree as an offering to these gods hoping they will return after winter.
That is the reason the date was chosen.
And scripture is full of G-ds wrath on the isrealites using Paganism to honor Him.
G-d gave us his Holy Days. But many choose to worship and honor a Pagan Emperors decree instead. Putting "The Traditions of men" above G-d.
---John on 12/26/10|
John, you may be embarrassed by this question, but there are others, like me, who are not. I don't know how long the person who posted this question has been a Christian but I'm not a new Christian. I've been a born again believing Christian for 42 years. You stated Christ's birth was in September. Well, that could be & then again it may not be. That's something you don't know as a fact. The Bible doesn't tell us when He was born. We do know that shepherds were in the fields so it probably wasn't winter,however, we've set aside this day to remember His birth & nothing more. So maybe you should'nt assume too much about a person from one blog.
---Reba on 12/26/10|
First I observed the period of abstinence and fasting we have beforehand.
This means, among other things, that I didn't attend any Christmas parties, or even worse, generic holiday parties.
Then I attended Divine Liturgy yesterday.
Then afterwards, a friend and I cooked a turkey breast and roasted potatoes.
Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/26/10|
Where have you been Jim?
Are you a new Christian?
Have you been reading any of the Posts concerning this evil Pagan Holy Day. Or do you worship the sun gods of the Pagan Emperor Constantine.
Since Dec 25th is the celebration of the sun gods.
To which Constantine added Jesus to the list.
Jesus was born in September!
Please read the posts on Christ-mass.
It could make your blog less embarrassing.
---John on 12/25/10|
That's exactly what it means to me & all my family. The day we set aside to remember & celebrate the birth of Christ, our LORD & SAVIOUR. It's been a wonderful day for our family today. Here in the South it's mostly sunny, maybe a little cloudy. But today we woke up & the Lord had sent us a full, falling snow! It was beautiful! I'm sure the people who get snow every year thinks I'm crazy, but to us it was a HUGE treat. Of course we thanked the LORD for sending us such a beautiful day to help in the celebrating of His birth.
---Reba on 12/25/10|