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What Does Ecumenical Mean

Mod says "Moderator - It (the strong Delusion) is happening as we speak through the Prosperity, Seeker-Friendly, Liberal and Ecumenical false gospels that are taking over Christianity". What is meant by "Ecumenical"?

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again, there is a difference between the ecumenical church and the ecumenical church movement just like there is a difference between evangelists and the evangelicals.

it is amazing so many sleep when the alarm is blaring. the information is literally at our fingertips and yet our opinions are the master.

the writing is on the wall for those who can see what is going on compared to what is written.
---aka on 1/1/11


The Moderator is right, the NonChristian churches today preach another gospel, a gospel not from Christ, a message of death and not of life. "People-pleasers" is not the gospel from Christ. The real gospel from Christ demands obedience to Christ's commandments and nothing less, when you obey you keep covenant with Christ, and when you refuse to obey Christ then Christ refuses you and you put yourself under his wrath.
---Eloy on 12/31/10


\\I said: Christian churches should not work together WITH NONCHRISTIAN CHURCHES, \\

What exactly do you mean by "nonchristian churches", Eloy?

BTW, every dictionary in the world, including Greek ones, disagree with your etymology of "ecumenical."
---Cluny on 12/31/10


Donna66 gave the real meaning of ecumenical. A cooperation between denominations or a Spiritual unity of coming together. Its not merging churches but is for things like singings,dinners,even an Outdoor service on Easter can promote a better understanding of the people in different denominations. I know from experience when my Pentecostal Church,the Methodist,and Baptist Churches met for singing,I sang an original song and I got positive input from those from the other churches. It was all a spirit of love and a big blessing. Just a group of God Loving people coming together to love the Lord,no doctrines of other churches shared. It was wonderful.
---Darlene_1 on 12/31/10


Ecumenical just meas something like common to all, and is used [I think] in Christian cases to mean the beleifs we all share
---James on 12/31/10




alan, I really wish people would stop lying and changing my words to say I posted the lies you are saying I posted, when in truth I never posted any such thing. You bear false witness again, I never said Christians should not work together, I said: Christian churches should not work together WITH NONCHRISTIAN CHURCHES, Do Not Be Unequally Yoked Together, for one is holy and the other is unholy. This is what I posted, and not the lie you say I posted. I may cease replying to all the liars and blasphemers for now, and continue to reply only to those honestly seeking the truth.
---Eloy on 12/31/10


\\Ecumenical means(I think) only pleasure-seeking.\\

Where did you get this definition, Robyn?
---Cluny on 12/29/10


aka ... No I do not know the answer ... I know what I prevouslt thought, and was wanting to know what others thought.

There seems to be little common ground between the many different definitions now put forward here.

Some of them are quite bizarre! For example Robyn's of "pleasure seeking" and Eloy's implication that it is sinful for Christian groups to work together. And looking back at yours of 12/28, I now can't work out what you meant.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/30/10


I believe that Tommy3007 gave the more exact answer concerning what Ecumenical means. A year an a half ago there was a conference in Arrowhead Springs, and a guy name Charles Mallack, who is the ex-secretary of the United Nations said "the hope for Christianity, for the Protestant Church in the world today is to join hands with the Pope." He is looking at Christianity as a political force in the world that needs to defeat the atheistic, communist force of the East, and so his perspective is political. He comes from a Greek Orthodox background. What is interesting is that the Charismatic movement has brought about joining together of the Protestants with the Catholics.
---Mark_V. on 12/30/10


alan,

when robyn posted her response to your question, right or wrong, it seems that you already knew the definition. so, your original question seems leading compared to your responses.

honestly, i thought your original question was genuine.

my apologies.
---aka on 12/29/10




aka .. "the latter is humanist" That is YOUR definition

Robyn .. "Ecumenical means(I think) only pleasure-seeking" Where did you get that from?
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/29/10


alan, the name "Christian" often is misused as a mere word to label any church which has Christ within their beliefs, but that is not a real Christian Church. There are multitudes of idolatrous churches and false religions and cults which acknowledge Jesus, but he is not their Most High God and these idolaters do not obey his commandments. If any nonChristian church would come to me and propose to join up with me for cooperation with their causes, no matter how lofty or moral sounding it is, I would flatly say No, I am commanded to not be unequally yoked with you, else I become a partaker of your sins.
---Eloy on 12/29/10


//If you really did [follow the teachings God the Father, Jesus the Christ, and the Holy Spirit]...you would be Orthodox!//

Orthodox by proxy...cool!
---aka on 12/29/10


//But that is not ecumenism, which is different Christian congregations working together...Why is that sinful?//
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/28/10

do you really want to know? research will answer your question, and not arguing with Eloi.
---aka on 12/29/10


Ecumenical refers to promoting, or tending toward, worldwide Christian unity or cooperation. I'd like to see more cooperation between churches (i.e. in mission endeavors etc.) but NOT if doctrine is compromised.
Herein lies the problem, Ecumenicalism says, Let's forget about all Doctrinal difference and just work together. Jesus doesn't need or want us to be working with those who are obviously in serious error, according to Scripture. We are to do the Lord's work the Lord's way, according to Scripture.
---tommy3007 on 12/28/10


Ecumenical means(I think) only pleasure-seeking. Not heeding scriptures and commands. Basically just doing your own thing when and how you want to do it. This may include doing good deeds, without the benefit of being born again. Having itching ears and not being accountable to anyone or anything. The bible talks about these things taking place in the last days
---Robyn on 12/28/10


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\\I only follow the teachings of G-d the Father, Jesus the Christ, and the Holy Spirit. \\

If you really did, John, you would be Orthodox!
---Cluny on 12/28/10

Thanks Cluny, but I don't remember any of these three kissing Icons of other gods (i.e Saints)
---John on 12/28/10


there is a difference between the ecumenical church and the ecumenical church movement just like there is a difference between evangelists and the evangelicals.

the latter is humanist centered and the former is Christ centered.
---aka on 12/28/10


Eloy ... That's true.

But that is not ecumenism, which is different Christian congregations working together.

Why is that sinful?
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/28/10


\\I only follow the teachings of G-d the Father, Jesus the Christ, and the Holy Spirit. \\

If you really did, John, you would be Orthodox!
---Cluny on 12/28/10


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alan, I cited the scriptures where the Christian church is not to join with any idolatrous nonChristian church below. God's people have also unequally yoked with the idolatrous heathens in the old testament too and therefore they reaped the consequences and God judged them harshly, but when they came out of babylon and repented from this sin and put away from them the strange wives that they have taken for themselves, then God once again received them and began to bless them.
---Eloy on 12/27/10


because you believe your own non-denominational denomination is exclusively the only valid way the salvation.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/27/10

ABSOLUTELY! I do NOT follow any DEMON-NATIONS. I only follow the teachings of G-d the Father, Jesus the Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

All else is pure manmade heretical trash!
---John on 12/27/10


Eloy ... "Ecumenicalism is sin, and God does not like sin" Why is it sin?

John ... "Ecumenical is a means to propagate false doctrin" No wonder you say this John, because you believe your own non-denominational denomination is exclusively the only valid way the salvation.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/27/10


Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world(oikoumene) for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come.
It seems, as in other verses as well, it refers to the people of the world.
When applied to the church, or body of believers, it seems to show a totality or unity thereof.
I will have to agree with Cluny on this.
---micha9344 on 12/27/10


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\\"Ecumenical" literally means, "church restraining" ( < Gk: oikos= house,temple + menein= remain)\\

You're wrong, Eloy.

I've already given the derivation of the English word "ecumenical".

You can't handle English properly. Why should we believe you know Greek?
---Cluny on 12/27/10


Ecumenicalism is sin, and God does not like sin. We are commanded to separate from the synagogues of Satan and idolatrous churches, and not to join with them, else we be partatkers of their sins and plagues.
---Eloy on 12/27/10


Eloy ... If ecumenism means as you say "Ecumenical is, promoting a unity of churches" ...

why do you then condemn it.

You say beleivers should not be associated with unbelievers

But surely, the true members of all the churches are all beleivers?
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/27/10


As the moderator said..
Ecumenical is a means to propagate false doctrine (i.e. Mens traditions/Heresies). It is extremely dangerous (as with gossip) it begins to spread heresy and distorts truth that eventually become false doctrines accepted by the "Unelected" as Gospel. It also allows for "Relevant Truth" to be accepted in the BoC.

By its subtle, sinister nature, of "Gossip spread propagation" it is one of the means in which we can expect the Antichrist(i.e. Satan) to infiltrate the Church. And as the Moderator pointed out before. He has already in fact done so!
---John on 12/27/10


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A better definition is is an operational practice of legitimate churches to work together to attempt address some common difficulties affecting people at large without compromising the aspects and doctrines of their individual groups. This applies to both Christian and non Christian religions. Good examples are: disaster relief, assisting the victims of war, Slavery, Public Health & some governments attempting to suppress religion in general.
---Blogger9211 on 12/27/10


"Ecumenical" literally means, "church restraining" ( < Gk: oikos= house,temple + menein= remain). Ecumenical is, promoting a unity of churches. Ecumenicalism is foolishness: "Be you all not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what in common has righteousness with unrighteousness? and what fellowship has light with darkness? and what concord has Christ with Belial? or what part has he that believes with an infidel? and what agreement has the temple of God with idols? Come out of her, my people, that you all be not partakers of her sins, and that you all receive not of her plagues." II Cor.6:14-16+ Rev.18:4.
---Eloy on 12/27/10


Alan, if you are really interested in the whole Truth:

"As that discerning early Church father, Irenus of Lyons (c.AD 130-200), has put it: 'No false teaching desires to offer itself to our view openly, lest such exposure should lead to conviction, but, craftily putting on a plausible dress, makes itself by its outward form appear to the simpler sort to be truer than Truth itself'...

Once we have obtained a full grasp of the vast network of intrigues to which the Ecumenical Movement belongs, this will remove all remaining vestiges of the sheep's clothing and will reveal it for what it is: A Trojan Horse within the temple of the Lord."

--The Hidden Agenda of the Ecumenical Movement by Alan Morrison
---aka on 12/27/10


Ecumenical refers to promoting, or tending toward, worldwide Christian unity or cooperation. I'd like to see more cooperation between churches (i.e. in mission endeavors etc.) but NOT if doctrine is compromised.

I don't see anything particularly ecumenical in the prosperity movement (though it is a delusion).
But liberal protestant churches, and more recently, seeker-friendly churches seem willing to compromise most any doctrine for the sake of unity.

Some groups even have the goal of a "world-wide religion" that can include all the world's various religions.
It's just an idea, but if it is even possible, this might be more palatable to a One World Government than "atheism".
---Donna66 on 12/26/10


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As sectarianism is "dividing the house"so is "ecumenicalism" a movement to unify the house of christianity divisions in the wake of sectarianism.
Catholicism believes this is a return to their universal church and reunite.Solidarity in church councils for ecumenicalism fluctuate.
The speaker above appears to discourage this move because he is claiming "false gospels" intergrating or grafting into "real christianity".This is a broad prejudice claim without clarification.
---earl on 12/26/10


iniatives,or actions and decisions taken that promote christian unity,and co operation between different churches,and religions.
---tom2 on 12/26/10


The proper meaning of "ecumenical" is "from the entire Oikoumene" or Christian empire.

That's the meaning still used in an Orthodox context.
---Cluny on 12/26/10


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