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Close To God Through Rituals

Please comment on this statement found on the Internet.
"All religion contains methods, rituals and practices for man to become righteous enough to ascend or evolve to God. All religion thus believes in the need for one to become self righteous. True Christianity is the complete opposite."

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\\The Torah defines God complete and has provided a way for those who believe in His Word to become complete.
I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.Ps 40:8\\

Which verse is NOT in the Torah, char.

Do you know what the word "Torah" actually means?
---Cluny on 1/18/11


First off, not ALL religions are about "trying to be righteous". The question in the topic creates a straw-man argument (by making this incorrect assumption), and then proceeds to demolish it. The dictionary does not mention this aspect of religion a primary meaning, let alone any meaning of the word at all. The Bible itself mentions the word "religion" in several places, usually with good connotations.

It is easy to take a word like "religion", change what it means, and then whine about the new definition.
---StrongAxe on 1/18/11


Know the difference--commandments-
Statue=ordinances
Judgments=duties and punishments
Deut-6:1
If you love God above all--you will not steal-kill-covet etc...
Christ is the Lamb--we no longer sacrifice for our sins.
He is our High Priest and mediator etc..

Obedience to the Father
Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets
---char on 1/18/11


Religion does not and cannot save, only the person named Jesus saves.
---Eloy on 1/18/11


\\Statue-(rituals)-Some where nailed to the cross-sacrifices...etc\\

Either they Jesus fulfilled them ALL, and they are ALL nailed to the Cross....

Or else we are not saved and are still in our sins.

There is no third alternative.
---Cluny on 1/17/11




Commandments-Spiritual and moral
Statue-(rituals)-Some where nailed to the cross-sacrifices...etc
Judgements-civil, rewards and judgement.
Without knowing the difference you will be placing yourself in the judgment seat-judging others.

The Torah defines God complete and has provided a way for those who believe in His Word to become complete.
I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.Ps 40:8

(meyah, Strong's #4578), which means gut or abdomen.
" Your (teachings)torah is within my guts"

My guts boiled (Job 30:27). Do our guts churn when we hear the teachings of God like David did?
---char on 1/17/11


\\There is still hope though as you said. Only God can change a heart.
---Mark_V. on 1/9/11\\

But it's very difficult for God to change a mere mortal who thinks he IS God.

And as Elizabeth Esther said, there is no one more irrational than someone who thinks that his opinions come directly from God.
---Cluny on 1/9/11


"micha9344, I am going to cease further replying to you"--Eloy on 1/6/11
James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
---micha9344 on 1/8/11


\\ For now I will focus on those truly seeking the truth,\\

Better find it yourself, first.
---Cluny on 1/8/11


Micha, you are not along in what you stated to Eloy. You would think with some the knowledge he has in Scripture, he would understand that he curses others when he answers the way he does. And to think he considers himself sinless and the true light. Sort of what those preachers in history who took with them so many in the cults to the grave. Very scary there is people like him. When Jim Jones and the others died, I always wondered how could those people follow such a false teacher. Many did and look what happened. And I hear Eloy wants to start a Church, that too is scary. There is still hope though as you said. Only God can change a heart.
---Mark_V. on 1/9/11




micha9344, more mocking from the dead? I pray that you get saved.
---Eloy on 1/6/11


micha9344, I am going to cease further replying to you because you only dis what I post, and you ask me questions only for the purpose to dis what I answer and not because you truly desire to know the truth. For now I will focus on those truly seeking the truth, and I will redeem the time, and when you decide to become one of these then you too will become gladly communicated by me.
---Eloy on 1/6/11


I believe there is yet hope for Eloy since our Lord and King has not yet returned, unless:
2Cor 11:13-15 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works.
-Then we must follow an example:
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
---micha9344 on 1/6/11


Mima, all religion is dead, but Christ is alive.
---Eloy on 1/6/11


Eloy:

This is the pot calling the kettle black. I do not constantly accuse people of apostasy and blasphemy and being unsaved and always walking in darkness and having no light in them (which is mockery). All I do is, when somebody states something that contradicts the scripture, I just show how what they say contradicts scripture. If this is mockery, it is not I that mocks someone's errors, but rather the Bible itself mocks them.
---StrongAxe on 1/6/11


strongax, the readers of these blogs can witness full well your postings of mockery.
---Eloy on 1/6/11


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Eloy:

You said: The unregenerate continue to mock, and the Christians will continue with The Truth.

Yes, in this I do agree with you totally.

However, I leave it to the readers on these blogs to discern just who are the ones here who are speaking the truth, an who here are always writing in tones of mocking and condescension.
---StrongAxe on 1/5/11


steveng and strongax, The unregenerate continue to mock, and the Christians will continue with The Truth.
---Eloy on 1/5/11


Donna66:

Very right!


Cluny:

Sorry, my mistake. It's been a long time since I read those books (and like all here but one, I know that I am not perfect).


Steveng:

Eloy is not disagreeing with the Bible. He just says that it is translated incorrectly (basically, Eloy is right and everyone else in the world is wrong). Of course, if you disagree with him, he will usually say you are blaspheming him (and, by implication, God, since everything he says comes directly from God) and full of darkness.
---StrongAxe on 1/4/11


Eloy: "steveng, see my reply to strongax below, posting: "strongax, that is a English mistranslation."

As spoken by an overly educated worldly christian person.
---Steveng on 1/4/11


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steveng, see my reply to strongax below, posting: "strongax, that is a English mistranslation. Gk. "thriskeia" means "devotion", "belief", and Not religion. lit.Gk: "If anyone tells to be devout among you, not bridling their tongue, but deceiving their own heart, this one's devotion rather vain. Pure devotion and undefiled in the sight of God, even to the Father, stands this: to visit orphans and widows in the affliction of them, to keep one's self unspotted from the world." Jm.1:26,27."
---Eloy on 1/4/11


Eloy: "Christianity is a not a religion,.."

Have you not read James 1:27?
"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

And at the same time develop a true relationship with God.
---Steveng on 1/3/11


The difference between Christianity and all the religions of the world is, Christ Is The Only Proven God comes down and puts on flesh to minister to his creation as a part of his creation, flesh of my flesh and bone of my bone, and he gives his life for his people: "And Jesus went to them, walking upon the sea." "Who stands this, who even forgives sins?" "Who can this be, that even the wind and the sea obey him?" "Only I know, that blind being, here now I see." "Lord, now he stinks, indeed being four days. And Jesus cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, Here present. And he that was dead came forward." Mt.14:25+ Lk.7:49+ Mk.4:41+ Jn.9:25+ 11:39,43,44.
---Eloy on 1/3/11


Eloy:

Every book has its particular scope, and it is foolish to try to use it as an authority on matters outside its scope.

When one wants to consult an authority on spiritual matters, one looks to the Bible, not The Joy of Cooking.

When one wants to find out how to bake a loaf of bread, one looks at The Joy of Cooking, not POpular Mechanics.

When one wants to find out how to fix an engine, one looks at Popular Mechanics, not a dictionary.

When one wants to find out how to speak English, one looks at a dictionary, not the Bible.

The Bible is not a dictionary. It uses many words, but actually defines very few of them.
---StrongAxe on 1/2/11


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Christianity is a not a religion, but a relationship. Those who are of Christ are Christlike, and those whom are not of Christ are carnal and dissers of Christ and Christians and the word of God.
---Eloy on 1/2/11


And then there are people who so say they read the Bible, but repeatedly say things that flat-out-contradict it, claiming special spiritual status over those who point out their errors.
---Cluny on 1/2/11


People like to read all manner of worldly books, and put their faith in these NonInspired compendiums from unregenerate man, rather than read the Holy Bible and put their faith in God's spoken word as he commands. And when the blind lead the blind, both will fall into the ditch. Your dead dictionaries will not save you, Get back to the Bible people, and get back to God.
---Eloy on 1/2/11


\\You are taking a hint from Lewis Carroll's character "the Mad Hatter" who defined words to mean precisely what he intended them to mean.\\

It was Humpty-Dumpty, not the Mad Hatter.
---Cluny on 1/1/11


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//God does not like rituals and sacrifices:\\

//Then why did Jesus, who is God Incarnate, command TWO of them?//

Jesus did not tell us exactly how to remember His death, other than "as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup..."
He did not specify details of Baptism, but we know by what method He was Baptized.

"Rituals" usually include certain verbiage, spoken a certain way at a certain time and place by certain people, without variation. These details are established by custom.
---Donna66 on 1/1/11


Anything that requires faith to support it's teachings is a religion, including evolutionism
There is only one true religion and it requires a relationship, not just knowing about Him whom you believe, but knowing Him as you would your brother.
I is quite hard to follow something that isn't going anywhere, but that Way has been shown to those who would see it.
---micha9344 on 1/1/11


Eloy:

Religion in dictionary:
1. Set of beliefs about cause, nature, and purpose of universe, esp. involving superhuman agency, involving devotional and ritual observances, containing a moral code
2. Specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects
3. Body of persons adhering to particular set of beliefs and practices
4. A monstatic state
5. Practice of religious beliefs, ritual observance of faith
6. Something one believes in and follows devotedly

#1 involves devotion (like your version of Ja 1:26-27). Some redefine religion as idolatry, then condemn their own straw man by saying Christianity is a relationship not a religion. But wishing doesn't make it so.
---StrongAxe on 1/1/11


I will reply this to you once, most people know the definition of religion, it is idolatry, it is the practice of any NonChristian belief which is idolatry, "For you will have No gods before me", says the Lord. And all Christians know that Christianity is not a religion but a relationship, where the soul surrenders to Christ crying to him to save them and to change them, and Christ answers and converts that soul to Christian, and the Christian only worships Christ and obeys Christ's commandments.
---Eloy on 1/1/11


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Eloy:

So, basically, you are re-defining the word "religion" to mean something different than what it originally meant, and then complaining that it's a bad thing.

You are taking a hint from Lewis Carroll's character "the Mad Hatter" who defined words to mean precisely what he intended them to mean. However, doing this is not useful in communication, because when you take a word to mean one thing, and everyone you talk to takes it to mean something else, there can be no useful communication.
---StrongAxe on 1/1/11


From these posts I see most people believe then that it's not the method, ritual, nor practice that God is concerned about, but the heart of him who uses these elements, whether in trying to add value to his worth to God or simple praise and worship because of his worth in the sight of God through His Son, the Lamb.
1Sam 16:7b for [the LORD seeth] not as man seeth, for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
1Chr 29:10-22
Col 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God,
How God sees our work is how God sees our heart.
---micha9344 on 1/1/11


\\strongax, that is a English mistranslation. Gk. "thriskeia" means "devotion", "belief", and Not religion.\\

It's so strange, Eloy, but EVERY Bible translation disagrees with you, and renders the word as "religion."

Furthermore, the word is even used in modern Greek to mean "religion" in the general sense.

Why is that?
---Cluny on 1/1/11


Micha9344,
"ritual" in the initial question posted centered around those performe to BECOME righteous, therefore earning God's grace.

Jesus had no problem with rituals, but motive:

1) EMPTY rituals done by believers to be seen by men.

2) DEAD works performed by unbelievers for the purpose of making one's self righteous enough to merit God's grace.

If a believer errs in his motive, it does not affect his eternal destiny but affects his rewards.

But if an unbeliever performs rituals for the purpose of earning grace, it creates a false assurance that he's born again when in fact he's not.
---James_L on 12/31/10


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strongax, that is a English mistranslation. Gk. "thriskeia" means "devotion", "belief", and Not religion. lit.Gk: "If anyone tells to be devout among you, not bridling their tongue, but deceiving their own heart, this one's devotion rather vain. Pure devotion and undefiled in the sight of God, even to the Father, stands this: to visit orphans and widows in the affliction of them, to keep one's self unspotted from the world." Jm.1:26,27.
---Eloy on 12/31/10


In some churches rituals predominate, snuffing out the life of the Spirit. People expresse their love of these man-made rituals, saying they make them feel comfortable! Are we meant to feel comfortable in God's presence or also to feel challenged?

As Jesus commanded two rituals should we not limit ourselves to these?

Surely worship is about our free-will praise and awefilled appreciation of Him, and heart-felt thanks.

Our loved ones appreciate what comes from our heart. Then surely our Creator and Redeemer likewise desires to hear our free-will offerings of thanks love and praise. Not turgid rituals.
---Warwick on 12/31/10


Maybe an agreed upon definition of 'rituals' would be a good place to start.
---micha9344 on 12/31/10


\\Cluny: "He likes HIS rituals."

On the contrary, even David agrees that God does not like rituals and sacrifises:\\

Then why did Jesus, who is God Incarnate, command TWO of them?
---Cluny on 12/31/10


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//Do you and your friends conduct rituals to prove your friendship?//

Sure. "hi. How are you?. I'm fine, how are you?" We could just launch into the purpose of our conversation, but if it's been a while since we talked, we engage in this RITUAL.
Using a knife and fork to eat and a napkin instead of a shirt sleeve.. are rituals involving food. Forget the "rituals" of common courtesy and you will no longer have many friends!

BUT the rituals of our faith are entirely different.. They are to serve as reminders to US. IF used to PROVE our RELATIONSHP with GOD, they are precisely that for which Jesus rebuked the pharisees!
---Donna66 on 12/31/10


Eloy:

You may not like religion, but James seemed to think it was a good thing:

James 1:27
"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."
---StrongAxe on 12/31/10


The answers to this post indicate that many people believe in ritualistic behavior. There is no reason in the eye is of the author of this statement for ritualistic behavior except to gain self-righteousness.
My experience has been that when a person is acting by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that his actions will be anything but ritualistic. For example speaking in tongues would fall in the category of acting under the influence of the Holy Spirit.
---mima on 12/30/10


That is a false paragraph: 1) No religion is able to make a man righteous, nor to ascend, nor evolve: because religion is idolatry and idolatry makes man descend, and also evolution is false doctrine. 2) religion may or may not promote self-reighteousness. 3) True Christianity bears works of righteousness, even as Christ daily went aboout Doing Good and always Doing those things that please the Father.
---Eloy on 12/30/10


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I see Cluny as a hero. James L
So does Cluny
---I_saw_it on 12/30/10


Cluny: "He likes HIS rituals."

On the contrary, even David agrees that God does not like rituals and sacrifises: "The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart." A personal sacrifices of him or herself. The new covenant changed from ceremonial actions to moral conduct. That's the way God wanted it from the beginning.

Remember: Christianity is a way of life not a series of rituals. Do you and your friends conduct rituals to prove your friendship?
---Steveng on 12/30/10


AS I mentioned earlier: there is only one commandment that Jesus spoke of, a command which hangs all the laws and the prophets: LOVE. And this is not a ritual. This is the only attribute that will get a person into heaven. Not the word itself, but how you perform it. Christianity is a way of life. How do you love God? By loving others as Christ did.

Is righteousness a ritual? Is pureness of heart a ritual? Is grace a ritual? Are your prayers rituals? Is worship a ritual?
---Steveng on 12/30/10


Christianity is not a religion, first of all. We need to fully understand that. From that jump off point we can begin to understand what is required of us as christians. We do not follow rituals. We follow in obedience what God has set forth in His Word(the bible). God has instituted two ordinances to be carried out in all the churches of God. The two ordinances are the Communion(Lords Supper) and Baptism, following conversion. These are absolutes. And the obvious: we must be born again. We do engage in disciplines such as prayer,fellowship within the church, praise and worship so forth. But these should not be done as rituals. These disciplines should be done from our hearts and in reverence to God.
---Robyn on 12/30/10


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Pharisee,
I understand, but I see Cluny as a hero.

At 6 years old I was duped into thinking that the ritual of a sinner's prayer would earn God's grace.

I was 27 years old when I finally heard that when Jesus died He was actually receiving punishment for the sins I had committed.

27 when I finally learned that believing in Jesus means having confidence that He accomplished my salvation on the cross.

If Cluny can dissuade one person from believing that the "voodoo of you do" is the same as faith, I'm in his corner.

Besides, mima asked the original Q? about rituals. I've pressed mima to give biblical support for his voodoo evangelism, and the best he's come up with is two verses out of context.
---James_L on 12/29/10


Donna66,
Very well said. Love your comments always
---James_L on 12/29/10


\\Yes, commanded, but they are not rituals. There is only one commandment that Jesus spoke of, a command which hangs all the laws and the prophets.
---Steveng on 12/29/10\\

Are you saying that "Do this to make My anmnesis" is NOT a commandment, but optional?

Or making disciples and baptising them in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is something that can be disregarded?
---Cluny on 12/29/10


true, 1-6 are commandments...
that we tend to ritualize in one way another.
---aka on 12/30/10


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Numbers 18:15 Every thing that openeth the matrix in all flesh, which they bring unto the LORD, [whether it be] of men or beasts, shall be thine: nevertheless the firstborn of man shalt thou surely redeem, and the firstling of unclean beasts shalt thou redeem.
---francis on 12/29/10


Our lives are full of rituals. We shake hands when we greet someone. We put candles on a bithday cake. Roman Catholics have religious rituals and so do Evengelicals. There is nothing wrong with "rituals", they come naturally to all cultures. In the church they are mostly symbolic for us to remember something about God.

If they are practiced "to become righteous enough to ascend or evolve to God" (and sometimes they may be)
they cease to be truly Christian.
For it is Jesus we want to honor, not man. That's what Jesus expected when He said, "This do in remembrance of me." He didn't disapprove of the rituals of Judaism in His day either...His concern was the motivation behind them.
---Donna66 on 12/29/10


\\These are NOT rituals. God doesn't like rituals.\\

He likes HIS rituals.

He specifically commanded 1 and 3.
---Cluny on 12/29/10


francis: "True christianity is filled with rituals designed to bring one closer to God.
1: Baptism
2: Foot washing
3, The lord's supper
4: Fasting
5: Congregational worship
6: child dedication"

These are NOT rituals. God doesn't like rituals.

francis: "Those [the numbered above] are just a few that are commanded in the bible."

Yes, commanded, but they are not rituals. There is only one commandment that Jesus spoke of, a command which hangs all the laws and the prophets.
---Steveng on 12/29/10


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steveng,

i never equated ritual and routine. i was supplementing, and not criticizing.

I am sorry that i offended you. God bless you.
---aka on 12/29/10


James while I wasn't talking to you I value your input. I agree fully that the rites and practices of men are just that and mean nothing without a contrite heart and the Spirit of God.

The reason I sounded off is because the person I WAS SPEAKING to has gone on endlessly with the same commentary month after month if the comment was pertinent or not.

The fact is that true Christianity is none of those things that men do irrespective of denomination. The fact is the opportunity was there to elucidate the higher truths of life in Christ and all that ensued was an attack that profits nothing. Either the heart is in the right place or it's not. Why write garbage when you can preach Christ and edify all.
---Pharisee on 12/29/10


\\6: child dedication\\

Where is "child dedication" mentioned in the NT, francis?
---Cluny on 12/29/10


aka: "our heart (kardia) and our mind (psuche)...

Spoken by a truly over educated and worldly person.

aka: "to pay my rent and food takes discipline through routine. a band practices the same song over and over, so it becomes a perfect routine."

A routine is not a rituals.
---Steveng on 12/29/10


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\\Don't you ever get tired of beating this drum?\\
---Pharisee on 12/28/10

Pharisee, I beat on the same drum as Cluny. I was a victim of that "voodoo of you do"

I was raised in a baptist church. I went to the front of the church at six years old, and got peppered with questions like "Are you sorry for your sins, Have you confessed your sins? Have you turned form your sins? Now ask Jesus to come into your heart."

All of these questions began the same way - Have you done this?

The sinner's prayer creates a false sense of security because God does not hear sinners (John 9:31).

He only hears our prayers AFTER we have faith in Jesus
---James_L on 12/28/10


AMEN Steveng and Jed.

Through many years I have come across many, many people who are caught up in and follow the religous traditions, ceremonies, and practices created by men.

But they are lacking an intimate and personal relationship with God through Christ and Christ alone.
---Rob on 12/28/10


Singing hymns, street preaching, altar calls, sinner's prayers, and revivals are all Protestant rituals, some of which most of the people here have taken part in and some have even led.

Not calling them "ritual redemption" won't stop them from being so.

And Jesus Himself GAVE a ritual by which to worship Him.
---Cluny on 12/28/10


This is a very false statement. True christianity is filled with rituals designed to bring one closer to God.
1: Baptism
2: Foot washing
3, The lord's supper
4: Fasting
5: Congregational worship
6: child dedication

Those are just a few that are commanded in the bible. Then there are those other sacramenst not found in the bible, but followed by christians world wid.
---francis on 12/28/10


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//Repeated prayers are memorized prayers from the mind, conversational prayers are from the heart.// ---Steveng on 12/28/10

our heart (kardia) and our mind (psuche)- this is exactly where we need to strike a balance and what we need to let Him discipline. our heart AND our mind is the essence of our life. Paul calls for a renewing of the mind ...nous
(nooce).

to pay my rent and food takes discipline through routine. a band practices the same song over and over, so it becomes a perfect routine. if each member follows his/her own heart, there is terrible discord.

so, too, is the BOC. just spend 2 minutes reading on this site and you will see tremendous discord. why?
---aka on 12/29/10


Besides, even God said he didn't care for all these rituals, he only cares about his relationship with his creation.

Singing hymms are not rituals. Neither is feeding the homeless and poor on a certain day. And neither is street preaching on a certain day. Look up the meaning of ritual.
---Steveng on 12/28/10


This statement is true because true Christianity is not a religion, it's a relationship with God. God calls us to humble ourselves. John the baptist said that he must make himself less, so that Jesus could be great. Jesus spoke out against rituals and pius rambling. A broken spirit and a contrite heart God will not deny.
---Jed on 12/28/10


The statement is true. Religion is works based and was already in place when Christ arrived on the scene.
Christianity is not a religion but a relationship and diametrically opposed to works-based religion and cults such as the Watchtower folks.
---larry on 12/28/10


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Would you have a conversation with a friend that repeated the same thing over and over again? Can you develop a relationship with a person by asking the same question over and over agian? Do you repeat the same prayers to people who have different needs?

Prayers are nothing more than conversations with God, simply talking with the heavenly Father about your needs which change every day. The bible is full of prayer examples that are not repeated by the same person.

Repeated prayers are memorized prayers from the mind, conversational prayers are from the heart.
---Steveng on 12/28/10


Altar calls, revivals, invitation hymns, and "sinner's prayers" are all Protestant rituals designed to make people able to approach God.
---Cluny on 12/28/10

Don't you ever get tired of beating this drum? The fact is these things by "design" are to get the heart right with God as opposed to producing self righteousness...which I will remind you is the context of the question. I'm not sure why you feel you have to take a jab at evangelicals every time you get a chance but to be honest if I had to pick which religions rituals to follow it wouldn't be yours.
---Pharisee on 12/28/10


Altar calls, revivals, invitation hymns, and "sinner's prayers" are all Protestant rituals designed to make people able to approach God. ---Cluny on 12/28/10

you forgot:
- when the 'praise and worship leaders' (the band) play really loud 7/11 music. (seven words, sung 11 times),

-baptismal dunking tanks and services

if i serve dinners to homeless people every saturd...(sorry didn't mean to bring that up again)...sunday, isn't that 'ritualistic' in a way.

what about street preaching every weekend when the weather breaks?

what about not preaching to those in the cold? isn't that ritualistic?

face it...we are all in need of a savior.
---aka on 12/28/10


doesn't christianity preach about 'self' denial, hating worldly things?
the more you divorce yourself from the world, the 'sinless' you become?
ascetism - abstinence from worldly pleasures.
rejection of bodily pleasures thru sustained self denial & self mortification with the OBJECTIVE OF STRENGTHENING SPIRITUAL LIFE.
---mike on 12/28/10


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Whatever the religious practice of Christians they do it because they believe in Jesus. Hebrews 4:12 For the Word of God is quick,and powerful,and sharper than any two edged sword,piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,and of the joints and marrow,and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Only God sees into the heart of a person,knows if they believe,only God can judge a person no matter what man thinks he knows about what people do,man cannot see their true reasons for doing it. Man cannot see how God views what a person does,every human being will be judged by God on what they know about him,Christ,and if they are true believers,everyone lives what they understand. Obedience isn't selfrighteousness.
---Darlene_1 on 12/28/10


true chrisitans do not need to have rituals. We have prayer, but if done right & NOT in a ritual way,that is a tool to use to speak to God through his son Jesus. that is all we need.
---candice on 12/28/10


Altar calls, revivals, invitation hymns, and "sinner's prayers" are all Protestant rituals designed to make people able to approach God.
---Cluny on 12/28/10


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