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Are their lost books of the Bible?

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\\Some of these books hold witnesses to the Bibles we use everyday. Some of them...don't for me.

The key is "witnesses".\\

And you are using "witness" in a very, subjective sense to mean, in effect, "I like them."
---Cluny on 2/10/11


\\Well there were a few other writings that were not considered of primary impotance and they weren't written by the disciples.
---shirley on 2/8/11\\

And there were some that were written by the Apostles that weren't considered important either, such as the Epistle of Barnabas or St. Paul's lost letter to the Laodiceans.
---Cluny on 2/9/11


Trav, You gotta be careful wen de preacha is watchin you bro.---Warwick on 2/8/11

Whose a verbal weaver,with no scripture? Devious?
Arrogance in front of your scriptures, make it dim. Fear,make it blank.
Preacher on here,who would you be referring too?
A title is given by men. A titles truth, is not truth unless it found complete...in truth.
Prophetic/Apostlic witnesses eat little "titles"
Watch "bro's" witnesses... eat.
Matthew 18:16
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mark 14:63
Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses?
---Trav on 2/9/11


Trav, duck and weave all you like but the fact remains you deviously and creatively reversed the obvious meaning of my comments.

You gotta be careful wen de preacha is watchin you bro.
---Warwick on 2/8/11


Well there were a few other writings that were not considered of primary impotance and they weren't written by the disciples.
---shirley on 2/8/11




There are no "lost books of the Bible," except possibly the mutilated versions of the KJV so beloved of some people here.

However, there were many Christian writings, both good and bad, that were produced in the cultural and spiritual milieu in which the first generation of Christians lived, that were not included in the Bible which have been preserved.

As I've said before, Jesus didn't come in a bubble, and the Apostles didn't live in a vacuum.

We're all influenced by our surroundings. Even to deliberately reject some things is to be influenced by them.
---Cluny on 2/8/11


Trav you are being devious again.

You really are a worrry!
---Warwick on 2/7/11

Well, a misunderstanding I'm sure. Keep forgetting precha evasion/dancing rules: Do not ask,only reply.

It's not me that is worrying you...it is ur worry of the prophets chiseling the sand from under your pulpit.

Amazing isn't it how some scriptures say a thing better.
Acts 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets,

41Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.
---Trav on 2/8/11


Trav you are being devious again.

You wrote "you appeared to replying that these lost books suggested Jesus sinned."

When in fact I had said He had not sinned and gave a Biblical reference which also said He had not sinned. But in your 'reasoning' this means that I believe Jesus sinned. You must have a lot of trouble with STOP signs.

You really are a worrry!
---Warwick on 2/7/11


Trav, you need to ask me to define sin? Sin is rebellion against God, just as Scripture says. You should know!
---Warwick on 2/4/11

Well...I can see your rebellion at times....but, you appeared to replying that these lost books suggested Jesus sinned. Your comments just came out the sky like it applied to some previous post.
---Trav on 2/4/11


Trav, you need to ask me to define sin? Sin is rebellion against God, just as Scripture says. You should know!
---Warwick on 2/4/11




Jesus a sinner? No way "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin." Hebrews 4:15
---Warwick on 2/3/11

And a sin according to phrophet and high prie$t warwick would have been?
---Trav on 2/4/11


However, I can bet my life that very few here have read and studied them. And very few here have read and studied the writings of the Early Church Fathers.

This is PRECISELY the reason why most here are posting old heretical teachings.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius

I have read the extra books in the Bible and yes every one should read them. They deal with the intertestemtal years and give some good background to the N.T. I have read a collection of the early Church Fathers and found they agreed in general with the SDA church.
---Samuel on 2/4/11


No, there are 39 O.T. books, and 27 N.T. books, and none are lost.
---Eloy on 2/4/11


I have only read the Apocrapha...none of the other books. The difference to me, I can only liken to the difference between watching a drama made for TV and watching an actual event live, or on live TV.

IMHO, these extra-biblical writings have some appeal..but lack the ability to impact you in any deep personal way.
---Donna66 on 2/3/11


Jesus a sinner? No way "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin." Hebrews 4:15
---Warwick on 2/3/11


Along with this nearly every book also contained things that any lover of God would know is wrong. In one book they had Jesus killing a boy for just bumping into him. In another he was making clay birds and giving them life,... I error makes a whole item wrong.
---Harold on 2/3/11

Those were interesting about Christ early life....which we know nothing of. I tend to believe that they "could" be true. He was a child. He was human. He was tempted as we are.
The statement if one thing is wrong throw the whole of it out, would apply to the scriptures of today. Which are misinterpreted every day and have misinterpreted words in them.
We don't throw them out. We find the errors and witnesses and work around them.
---Trav on 2/3/11


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An old Christian man gave me a copy of the "Lost Books of the Bible" while I was in Bible college. I read many of them and found each to contain some great sounding statements. Along with this nearly every book also contained things that any lover of God would know is wrong. In one book they had Jesus killing a boy for just bumping into him. In another he was making clay birds and giving them life, in a third the water Jesus was bathed in was reported to heal any who washed in it after him. I error makes a whole item wrong.
---Harold on 2/3/11


Has anyone of us actually tried to READ those books, to know what they are like?
---Jacob on 1/3/11

Read them. Find what they are about for you. Some of these books hold witnesses to the Bibles we use everyday. Some of them...don't for me.

The key is "witnesses". Scripturally two or more. 2 Prophets,2 apostles, prophet apostle etc.
These 2 or more scriptural witnesses free the searcher from all doctrines of men,puffy preacher/teachers falsehoods etc.

Matthew 18:16
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
---Trav on 2/3/11


"What are your opinions?
---Jacob on 2/2/11"

For most, "Apocrypha" is a term used for the New Testament gnostic texts.

If you are talking about the books that are found in the Septuagint, such as Wisdom of Sirach, Tobit, Wisdom of Solomon, and the like, I firmly believe they are Scriptures.

African Jews, some Protestants, Latin/Eastern Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, etc, all agree that they are Scriptures.

I think one should read them, even though one may not accept them as Scriptures (they are certainty edifying for the soul). Ancient Jews and Christians preserved them for a reason!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/2/11


-Ignatius: Having read the apocrypha, I think you are better entitled to speak of them the rest of us!

What are your opinions?
---Jacob on 2/2/11


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Actually the entire Hebrew Bible (OT) is lost.

But for a few fragments in the Dead Sea Scroll and the Samaritan Torah.
---John on 1/4/11


"Has anyone of us actually tried to READ those books, to know what they are like? " (Jacom)

Yes, I have. In fact, in my Christian Library I have several translations and books related to the New Testament "Apocrypha" as well as the Old Testament Pseudgraphicas.

However, I can bet my life that very few here have read and studied them. And very few here have read and studied the writings of the Early Church Fathers.

This is PRECISELY the reason why most here are posting old heretical teachings.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/3/11


Has anyone of us actually tried to READ those books, to know what they are like?

We are alking too much like we know actualy what they say Lets only talk if we know what these books are about!
---Jacob on 1/3/11

Jacob what made you assume this?

YES, I have read them and a whole lot more.

The only books that would be a contender would have been the Book of Enoch(#1) The reason is because it was widely read and accepted as scripture during the time of Christ. Also The Assumption of Moses, since it is quoted in Scripture (Jude)
---John on 1/3/11


Has anyone of us actually tried to READ those books, to know what they are like?

We are alking too much like we know actualy what they say [and most of us clearly think they should not be in the Bible, thought the fathers of the church - who selected the other books of the Bible - would disagree].

Lets only talk if we know what these books are about!
---Jacob on 1/3/11


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The letters of St. Ignatius are not Gnostic writings.
---Cluny on 1/2/11
He never asked about that letter or any of the early church writings.
---John on 1/2/11


MATTHEW 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered

Is God in control or not? If God wanted to keep 66 books of the Bible together, I believe he is more than able, and has, With out losing parts of it.
---RICHARDC on 1/2/11


JamesL, you accuse me of "teaching what I can't comprehend" just because I contradict your "teaching" with the Scripture? Guess that if one does not agree with your "teaching", that makes one not fit to teach but that makes you the perfect teacher?

You come against me with James 3:1, well let me counsel you to look in the mirror with the very same verse.

You put yourself on par with God when you said, "Though I don't have a high tolerance for fools, God still loves you." You and I are sinners before God, so do away with such a hypocritical statement in the near future. All men before the eyes of God are foolish until He changes one from sinner to saint.
---christan on 1/2/11


\\Faraicis,
The books were NEVER LOST and are well known. They are the Pseudgraphicas and were Gnostic writings of the 3rd -7th century AD. \\

The letters of St. Ignatius are not Gnostic writings.
---Cluny on 1/2/11


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Christian, What body of scripture do you think Paul was referring to in 2 Timothy 3:36. Paul is in Jail in Rome when this was written between 64 and 68 CE. Mark is just writing his gospel about the same time. Paul does not consider his own correspondence scripture and most everything else New Testament wise was written later. Paul is referring to the Septuagint which was the scroll collection in local synagogues. As by 1 century CE the average Jew could no longer read Rabbinic Hebrew. Christian, you see to be significantly ignorant of general history, Biblical chronology, Biblical linguistics and scriptural interpolation. You are going to have to do much more remedial study to gain any respect as a blogger here.
---Blogger9211 on 1/2/11


Christan,
based on your comments, I can only conclude that you don't comprehend what you read.

You foolishly injected your comments into the topic as though you were a teacher (James 3:1). Then when your ignorant comments were corrected, you rejected reproof (Proverbs 12:1).

You have joined the ranks of others here who, when facing correction, foolishly revert to the tactic of calling into question someone's standing before God.

But that's ok, Christan. Though I don't have a high tolerance for fools, God still loves you.
---James_L on 1/2/11


No. There is a large difference between "Holy" scripture, and "unholy" writings. One of the tricks of satan is to say, "Jesus is ok, but here, here is some other stuff you might like instead." And then soon that person becomes tempted to fall prey to all manner of false and unholy doctrine.
---Eloy on 1/2/11


\\These are said to include writings by early Christians yet omitted from the Bible. Refer to John's list of such books.\\

The Forgotten Books of Eden, I believe, are spurious.

However, I would challenge people here to read the letters of St. Ignatius, which are authentic, even if NOT part of the Bible.

St. Ignatius, btw, was a bishop of Antioch. He was the little child Jesus sat in His lap when He said, "Suffer the little children to come to Me."
---Cluny on 1/1/11


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My question was "How authentic are THE LOST BOOKS OF THE BIBLE & THE FORGOTTEN BOOKS OF EDEN?"
---faraicis on 1/1/11

Faraicis,
The books were NEVER LOST and are well known. They are the Pseudgraphicas and were Gnostic writings of the 3rd -7th century AD.

They come from the "Hag Hamaddi Library". They're are made up Gnostics Heretical Epics. Gnosticism (Knowledge of G-d) believed they could reach G-d through knowledge etc.
The only Truly Lost writings were found in Quram(Dead Sea Scrolls) and at the Cairo Genizas.

All new findings match what the current bible. The changes we found verified quotes of the NT by Jesus and the Aposles we could not find before. (I.E. IS:61/62)
---John on 1/1/11


Bottomline Iggie: God (NOT MAN) is in charge of His written word & He will watch it to perform it. The Church nor any so-called majority of pompous Christians have rulership, not even a micro-say in the matter. :)

It's not really about how many books are in the Bible. At the core is how much of the Bible is our hearts as we go about our daily lives on Earth.
---Leon on 1/1/11


JamesL & Blogger9211,

Based on your comments, I can only conclude that Scriptures according to the two of you, it's incomplete. You are saying that there are more books "hiding" around and that God is hiding His will from mankind?

If Revelation 22:18-19 refers only to Revelation, how about this from 2 Timothy 3:16, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." Is it only pertaining to 2 Timothy 3? Because this verses is similar in instruction and tone as Revelation 22:18-19.

If the Holy Bible is not complete to you, may I suggest you do not call yourself a Christian.
---christan on 1/1/11


there is a lot of gnostic literature out there. be careful.

if more Truth is in existence, they are hidden by God. man has no bearing on holiness and what God wants revealed.
---aka on 1/1/11


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My question was paraphrased, and slightly missed my main question.
My question was "How authentic are THE LOST BOOKS OF THE BIBLE & THE FORGOTTEN BOOKS OF EDEN?"

These are said to include writings by early Christians yet omitted from the Bible. Refer to John's list of such books.
faraicis
---faraicis on 1/1/11


Michael e,

The Old Testament mention several books (i.e., Numbers 21:14, Joshua 10:13, 2 Samuel 1:18, 1 Kings 11:41, among others) (John gave the list)(that seem to be authoritative) that we do not have. It also seems that Jesus himself also quoted from a lost Scripture (John 7:38). Cluny also mention a lost text (Letter to the Laodiceans) written by Saint Paul.

"...the 66 book, God-inspired Bible we have!"

Leon, the Church never close the Canon of the Bible with just 66 books. The Church never said the Bible ONLY contains 66 books. The majority of Christians don't follow that man-made tradition. You have 66 books in your Bible, but my Bible doesn't, and it is not a Catholic Bible either.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/1/11


"So will my word be that comes out of my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but it will do what I desire & it will be profitable in the thing [way of salvation?] for which I sent it." (Isaiah 55:11)

Faraicais: Do you mean to say the existing Bible isn't complete? I believe it (Gen.-Rev.) is complete in accordance to God's will (desire) & purpose, i.e., way of salvation.

Anyway, many people (born again & unbelivers) are having a hard enough time trying to read, believe & walk in the 66 book, God-inspired Bible we have! Never forget, God (NOT MAN) is in charge of His written word & will watch it to perform it.

God bless your understanding!!!
---Leon on 1/1/11


//Are their lost books of the Bible?//
Apparently not, you can read this blog and see many books listed, that someone must know about, if they are actually lost, where do you find all these different names recorded'/
---michael_e on 1/1/11


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Christian, Revelation 22:18-19 only applies to the text of Revelation only and nothing else as the book of the New Testament and the order of those books had not been established yet. There are a lot of period Christian writing that were not included in the New Testament for varying reasons. Some letter type documents just never survived as whole intact documents to ever have been considered for New Testament inclusion. Think about it, besides Judas, there were 11 other apostles and we only have surviving writings from Matthew and John. The other Nine were not sitting on their hands, they preached and wrote letters but their works never survived or were effectively recorded.
---Blogger9211 on 1/1/11


\\ISBN 0-529-02061-0 ""The Lost Books of the Bible..."\\

This collection was originally entitled NEW TESTAMENT APOCRYPHA.

The books were never "lost," as they continued to be preserved for centuries. Obviously, they were considered to have SOME value.

Among other writings, it has the Letters of St. Ignatius, which he wrote on his way to be executed at Rome.

OTOH, they were never considered part of the Bible, either.
---Cluny on 1/1/11


\\Does this sound like there are lost books?
---christan on 12/31/10\\

This passage is NOT talking about the Bible as a whole, but about Revelation--and there was considerable discussion about whether this book was in fact canonical.

**You have the one's the Catholic Church worked so hard to ban,disenfranchise,and outlaw.not nessesarily lost,just not mainstream accepted.
**

And what books are you talking about, kevin? Can you be specific?

There were MANY books composed by, or attributed to, the apostles that are not in the Canon, but were preserved because it was felt they had SOME value.

Then there were some apostolic writings, such as St. Paul's letter to the Laodiceans, that were lost.
---Cluny on 12/31/10


If you are referring to the Apocrypha or the Pseudographicas. They were never lost.

WE KNOW THIS..

We are missing 1st, 3rd and 5th Corinthians.
We only have 2nd and 3rd (Labeled, 1st, 2nd)

One letter of John

Laodicean was mistitled Esphesians.

We are also know we are missing these book of OT...

THE BOOK OF JASHER (x2)

THE BOOK OF THE ACTS OF SOLOMON

THE BOOK OF NATHAN THE PROPHET (x2)

THE BOOK OF GAD THE SEER

THE BOOK OF SHEMAIAH THE PROPHET

THE VISIONS OF IDDO THE SEER (x3)

THE PROPHECY OF AHIJAH

THE BOOK OF JEHU

THE SAYINGS OF THE SEERS (ACTS AND PRAYER OF MANASSEH)

Thank the Muslims for burning the Great Library of Alexandia!
---John on 12/31/10


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Lost?

Don't know that we can call them lost, more like excluded, forgotten, unmentioned, ignored, not lost.
---Pharisee on 12/31/10


Ummm, Christan.
Those verses are not speaking of the bible as a whole, they are speaking of the prophesies in Revelation.

As for ancient writings, there are a whole lot of them that were considered scripture by various groups and leaders.

I have two books which contain translations of many:

ISBN 0-664-24428-9 "The Other Gospels"

ISBN 0-529-02061-0 ""The Lost Books of the Bible..."

Gnosticism pervades many of the writings

"The Secret Gospel of Mark" was proven to be a phony written by Morton Smith

"The Gospel to the Hebrews" was referenced by early Christians, probably the closest thing there is to an inspired writing being "lost"
---James_L on 12/31/10


Missing books? NO! God's other "Bible-related books" (scrolls, registers) are kept by His angels in Heaven. (Rev. 20:12)

These "books" are records of the lives of all people who live on earth (past, present & future). However, the names of unbelievers are removed from the Book of Life because they've been charged (booked: a recorded charge in a register), convicted & sentenced to be punished for the high crime of unrepentant "SIN" against Holy God. (Rev. 20:11-15)

Don't let foolish thoughts get the better of you Kevin & cause your name to be erased from the Book of Life. All we need to know is in the completed, God-inspired, existing Bible!!!
---Leon on 12/31/10


Scripture declares:

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18,19

Does this sound like there are lost books?
---christan on 12/31/10


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maybe not so much as lost,as locked away behind closed door's,forgotten about in file cabinets of peoples who died before they could be translated,and those that the book burners got ahold of :(
then You have the one's the Catholic Church worked so hard to ban,disenfranchise,and outlaw.not nessesarily lost,just not mainstream accepted.
---kevin5443 on 12/31/10


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