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Women Submissive To All Men

Are women required to be a submissive spirit to all men? I'm just curious how men feel about this. I try to speak to all men as I do my husband, but I wonder if I give the wrong message by doing so.

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delivered by liberal, feminine types. Like yourself... So yeah, the scripture is about Hot knowledge, hot truth, hot faith, hot work.
--trav 9/27/11
Your childish name calling and reviling, like similar attacks on 9/21, 9/22, and 9/23, again prove you haven't repented and still walk in darkness. It's not surprising then that your comments don't support your prior contention about Rev_3:16. It isn't about knowledge and truth, as you said, but faith and works. Anyone reading it can see that. This is no big doctrinal issue. In the earlier post you misinterpreted the scripture, now, when shown wrong, you babble about how knowledge increases truth, increases faith, and increases activity. So what? This has nothing to do with that scripture.
---Rocky on 9/27/11


What are you doing to get the laws of the nation changed to comply with God's laws?
---Rocky on 9/27/11
NOTHING
Gods kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD YET ALONG this NATION.
God's laws are for Gods people
---francis on 9/27/11
Then you are finally, implicitly admitting that many of the commandments in the OT are no longer in effect on Earth, you just are not willing to state it forthrightly after arguing for so long that OT laws still applied and trying to ignore the questions for 6 posts.
---Rocky on 9/27/11


Francis:

So if the Bible commands the death penalty for adultery, but the government forbids it, do you follow Caesar's word on this, or God's? Do you violate God's law because the government tells you to do so? You can't have it both ways.

(Also remember that if keep the law but violate even the smallest part of it, you are guilty of it all - so if you follow the law but fail to stone murderers and adulterers, you are yourself guilty of murder and adultry and much more.)
---StrongAxe on 9/27/11


Rev3:16
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
--trav_9/27/11
That scripture is about faith and works not about truth or knowledge.
---Rocky on 9/27/11

Some, D. Thomas's like me have been lukewarm.
Being mislead in my youth by P.C. watered down scripture, delivered by liberal, feminine types. Like yourself. Though stronger personality's.
Knowledge,increased my truth which increased my faith.
Faith increased my activity.
Truth by GOD's own scriptural witnesses set me free. Free from liberal, harry potter hinduism types. Spouting the many paths gospel you believe.

So yeah, the scripture is about Hot knowledge,hot truth, hot faith, hot work.
---Trav on 9/27/11


Francis //Do you still make burnt and sin offering as commanded in OT?

And do you also advocate that those who fail to observe the Jewish Sabbath but observe the Christian Sabbath instead should be stoned? Exodus 31:14

I keep wondering why you find the New covenant in itself so lacking that you need to borrow laws from the Old Covenant not found within the New covenant - the old covenant declared to be obsolete in Hebrews 8:13.

Are you trying to establish your own righteousness thinking the righteousness we have in Christ is not sufficient for our eternal salvation? 1 Cor. 1:30
---lee1538 on 9/27/11




What are you doing to get the laws of the nation changed to comply with God's laws?
---Rocky on 9/27/11
NOTHING
Gods kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD YET ALONG this NATION.
God's laws are for Gods people
---francis on 9/27/11


Francis, "there is NOTHING WRONG with killing adulterts and witches"Mat 7:1-2 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Jn 8:15,16 Ye judge after the flesh, I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is truw..."" James 4:12"There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy, but who are you who judge your neighbor? 1 Pet 4:5,6 they will give account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead, that though they are judged in the flesh as men, they may live in the spirit according
---chria9396 on 9/27/11


Rocky, just give it up man. Nobody is going to agree with your twisted comments. You certainly are not going to get anywhere by calling everyone who disagrees with you liars, haters, and perverts. There's something wrong with you man, get help.
---Jed on 9/27/11


And once again you are very wrong....
---Rocky on 9/27/11

And your overwhelming opinion proves it?
Rocky, we are wrong. Except you. We are all evil. Except you....and your leader of course. He's changed your life, him, hairy potter, buddha. You have quite a head recipe going there.
1 Cor 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
Deut 18:10
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
Galatians 5:20
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
---Trav on 9/27/11


But the truth is there is NOTHING WRONG with killing adulterts and witches.
--Francis 9/27/11
Yes there is. You need to read the NT more. You answer one question and still chose not to answer all the other seven questions. So let me ask again, for about the SIXTH time. Do you still make burnt and sin offering as commanded in OT? Do you still separate yourself for a week from any women that are menstruating, two weeks after her giving birth to a male child? Do you believe in an eye-for-an-eye? Should those who curse God also be put to death? What are you doing to get the laws of the nation changed to comply with God's laws?
---Rocky on 9/27/11




No women are not to be submissive to all men. The Bible only speaks about husbands who love their wives. Here is a mutual submission of two people who love each other.

By the way witches in the bible and adulters were both men and women. It was latter church people who changed it to women with money that they could take if they charged them with witchcraft. Greed was the cause of the death of many people by church leaders who were in it for the money.

That is still true today.
---Samuel on 9/27/11


But the truth is there is NOTHING WRONG with killing adulterts and witches
--Francis 9/27/11
Oh good. TV is boring. Not enough murder and mayhem. Let's bring back the Spanish and Medieval Inquisitions. Let churches torture accused witches till they confess, then burn them at the stake. Or follow the example of the Salem witch trials in our own country. Let young kids accuse adults of witchcraft and then burn the adults at the stake. Such fun. We can watch them jerk and scream in agony as they sizzle. But we should not let the accusers then confess they made up the accusations like they did in Salem. Perhaps they should be killed too for making false accusations, before anyone knows about them.
---Rocky on 9/27/11


We'll even allow a muslim H57 to head our country
--trav 9/27/11
And once again you are very wrong, prove your thinking is perverted, and confirm your malicious and evil intent. If repeating the malicious lies and attacks you made against me on 9/21. 9/22, and again on 9/23 on the Divorce in Process Visits blog was not enough to prove the error of your ways, then spreading a lie as you chose to do in the cited post certainly does. You continue only to shame yourself and reveal you speak in darkness with no light. Francis, shouln't we stone those who bear false witness, too? There must be some good OT scripture somewhere that commands it.
---Rocky on 9/27/11


Is some truth enough?
Rev3:16
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
--trav_9/27/11
That scripture is about faith and works not about truth or knowledge. You should try not to make such obvious blunders in misinterpreting and misapplying scripture that way. How ironic that you misinterpret and speak not truth when the subject is truth. You throw so much scripture around you probably have many people here hoodwinked into believing you know something, but your numerous mistakes and malicious statements prove you walk in darkness not light. Read down to Rev_3:19: "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."
---Rocky on 9/27/11


You have hidden behind the government many times on this. ---Rocky on 9/26/11

I wish I could give you the answer you want, which is that we have no riht to stone adulters and kill witches.
But the truth is there is NOTHING WRONG with killing adulterts and witches. These practices continue in many THEOCRACIES, and was only recently banned NOT BY THE CHURCHES but by the government in USA
---Francis on 9/27/11


I thank God that no religious denomination rules our government .....
end up much like those in Muslim countries with no freedom to disagree.
---lee1538 on 9/26/11

The key, and you said it. Denominational.

None of them have the whole truth. Yes, they all have some.

Is some truth enough?

Rev 3:16
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

We at least used to be called the Christian West. Yes, realize it was still denominational. We are not unified in truth enough now to hold that title. We'll even allow a muslim H57 to head our country. Not a collective baaa,baaa about it.
---Trav on 9/27/11


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I thank God that no religious denomination rules our government as clearly from history we can see that all too often religious type people have been the most intolerant of all peoples. If we had a denominaitonal type government we would end up much like those in Muslim countries with no freedom to disagree.
---lee1538 on 9/26/11


And again Francis dances around the questions about certain OT commandments that were asked and chooses not to answer them. You have hidden behind the government many times on this. I have told you I understand about the secular laws, but they dont apply to all the questions. And for those that do, you dont address the issue of, if they are still Gods commandments, why are you not working to get the government to change them. Simple questions that Francis spins and pivots like a politician while he absolutely refuses to answer them.
---Rocky on 9/26/11


Do you still make burnt and sin offering as commanded in OT? ---Rocky on 9/26/11
This is a fools question. You do not practice murder or adultery or idolatry, so do you also make burnt offerings?

Strongaxe I am sure I answered that question. In other nations which are theocracies they do stone people for adultery. In this nation we g(et this) " No longer kill people for adultery or witchcraft" There was a time when this was done, now outlawed by the governments.
PS Give to God and ceasar has to do with MONEY.
Matthew 22:19 Shew me the tribute MONEY, And they brought unto him a PENNY.
---Francis on 9/26/11


Francis "In other word the ONLY reason why adulterers are not put to death is because the government does not want to do it anymore"
As I see it, Jesus Himself is the reason adulterers are not put to death. He trumps govt. Jn 8:7 "... He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." Jesus was without sin, the only one with the "right" to cast stones, but did not. Mercy triumphs over judgment:
James 2L13 "judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment "


---Chria9396 on 9/26/11


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Francis:

What the government chooses to punish is not relevant to this question.

The question is: in the light of "give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, but unto God what is God's", should we take it upon ourselves to stone adulterers even though the government forbids us from doing so? Who has priority here, God or Caesar?

There are some Christians who would answer "yes" to this question (such people think shooting abortionists is their duty, for similar reasons).

Do you think it is YOUR duty?
---StrongAxe on 9/26/11


LET ME TYPE SLOWLY SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND. In other word the ONLY reason why adulterers are not put to death is because the government does not want to do it anymore
--Francis on 9/26/11
And again you evade the real questions asked. So let me ask again, for about the fifth time. Do you still make burnt and sin offering as commanded in OT? Do you still separate yourself for a week from any women that are menstruating, two weeks after her giving birth to a male child? Do you believe in an eye-for-an-eye? Since God commanded death for adulterers and those who curse him, what are you doing to get the laws of the nation changed to comply?
---Rocky on 9/26/11


---Rocky on 9/26/11
LET ME TYPE SLOWLY SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND

IT IS THE GOVERNMENT WHO WOULD PUT ONE TO DEATH FOR ADULTERY, NOT THE TEMPLE OR THE CHURCH

AND AT ONE TIME IN AMERICA PEOPLE WOULD BE PUT TO DEATH FOR WITCHCRAFT AND ADULTERY

but because we are not a religious nation, we no longer do these things.

In other word the ONLY reason why adulterers are not put to death is because the government does not want to do it anymore
---Francis on 9/26/11


If you did not know that,
--Frances 9/26
You sentence makes no sense. I am well aware of blue laws, but those dont answer the question of whether or not those are the only reason you say you dont follow Gods commandments, or obey others not prevented by law. My question already acknowledges the existence of such laws. You are evading the questions again, and again dont answer the other questions asked. Nor what if anything you are doing to get Gods laws reinstated or to remove government impediments to obeying them
---Rocky on 9/26/11


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So are you saying the only reason you dont stone adulterers or those cursing God as commanded in OT is because we have a government which forbids it?
---Rocky on 9/25/11
If you did not know that, then I urge you to look up " Sunday blue laws" and " salem witch tials." There was a time in USA when the state government did punish for adultery, working on sundays and witchcraft
---Francis on 9/26/11


Rocky, in neither of those verses you quoted did Jesus tell anyone that the OT commandments are not to be followed.
Jed 9/24
In Lev_20:10 the command is to put the adulteress to death. In Joh_8:7, Jesus stops them from stoning the adulteress. What can be more clear? Likewise in Mat_5:43-44 is clear, as well as many other verses in the sermon on the mount. The OT rules of an eye-for-an-eye no longer applied. I cant believe you refuse to see it when the scriptures are pointed out, repeatedly. It does no good to show you further if you don't understand the Jesus' message in this respect. The OT was given to prepare them for the higher law, apparently you still need the lesser law.
---Rocky on 9/25/11


---Francis on 9/25/11
So are you saying the only reason you dont stone adulterers or those cursing God as commanded in OT is because we have a government which forbids it? Likewise don't practice slavery nor put to death anyone working on Sabbath? Are you working to change those laws to follow Gods commandments? Do you encourage a change in the laws? You did not address if you confine and avoid women for a week during menstruation or for two weeks after giving birth to a male child, or if you still give burnt and sin offerings.
---Rocky on 9/25/11


Rocky, do not call me a liar until you can actually provide a verse of Jesus telling someone that the OT cammandments are not to be followed.
--Jed 9/25
I already provided you two and referred you to the Sermon on the Mount that provides more examples. And you distort my words again, I never said that "believing in his commandments makes you hateful" just believing in old commandments to hate others.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you,
---Rocky on 9/25/11


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Rocky, do not call me a liar until you can actually provide a verse of Jesus telling someone that the OT cammandments are not to be followed. Until then it should be assumed that you are the liar.

You have called me a liar for assuming you must believe God is hateful because you actually said believing in his commandments makes me hateful. So if that makes me a liar for deriving something so obvious from your post even though you did not actually say verbatim "God is hateful", then it also makes you a liar for deriving a meaning from scriptures other than what it actually states verbatim.

So provide a scripture that actually says not to follow the OT cammandments, not one that you think means that.
---Jed on 9/25/11


---Rocky on 9/23/11
To answer your question:
yes OT law about husbands disavowing for wife is still in force: Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife: no change there.
To answer the other questions about selling daughters in slavery and killing adulters:
1: It is not slavery as what happened in America with Africans, it is SERVANTHOOD with the possibility that the daughter may marry into the family. Still happens today.
2: In many theocratic nations people are being executed for adultery. We live in a religious pluralistic nation and OUR GOIVERNMENT chooses not to act as such, but the government can it it wants:
1 Peter 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers,
---Francis on 9/25/11


Jed //Actually to the contrary, there are several scriptures where Jesus and the Apostals say not to forsake the law, and that grace does not replace the law, it only replaces the curse of the law, wich is the

Yes, if that is true, then if your brother dies without children YOU MUST raise children for him through his wife.

Matthew 22:24f

Teacher, Moses said, If a man dies having no children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up children for his brother.


Obviously you are not a student of the Bible.
---lee1538 on 9/24/11


Heb 9:15 Therefore he (Jesus) is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

//You are still leaving in fear rather than love and by rules rather than precept.

Such is the plight of the children of Hagar - Galatians 4:24f
---lee1538 on 9/24/11


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Rocky, in neither of those verses you quoted did Jesus tell anyone that the OT commandments are not to be followed. Again, you cannot provide such a scripture. In the second one you quoted, Jesus never excused adultery or said that the commandment "Thou shalt not commit adultery" was no longer to be followed. He simply said whoever is without sin cast the first stone, implying that we have no right to judge someone for a sin that we are guilty of ourselves. As for the other verse you posted about loving your enemies, how does that say not to follow the commandments, as there are no OT commandment that tells us to hate our enemies?
---Jed on 9/24/11


lee1538, why do you say that I am not a student of the Bible? I am well aware of those commandments that you posted. You may not agree with them and think they are sick because it is not socially acceptable today, but it was at one time. Just because we don't do these things today does not mean that God has changed his laws. It simply means that we have strayed from the way God wants us to live. Don't tell me I don't know the Bible when you cannot provide one scripture to support your belief not to follow these laws you mentioned. God's law don't change just because society doesn't follow them.
---Jed on 9/24/11


Yet he cannot provide one scripture where Jesus actually tells anyone that the OT would is no longer to be followed
Jed 9/24/11
Lev_20:10 the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Joh 8:7 He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Or read the Sermon on the Mount. Your statement shows you don't understand the basic message of Jesus at all. You are still leaving in fear rather than love and by rules rather than precept. You have not the gift of His Spirit and no discernment.
---Rocky on 9/24/11


---Jed on 9/24/11
thank you
---francis on 9/24/11


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Yet he cannot provide one scripture where Jesus actually tells anyone that the OT would is no longer to be followed
Jed 9/24/11
You lie again.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you,
Read the rest of the Sermon on the Mount. Your words, on this and other threads, show you know little about the message of Jesus. You should stop speaking of things you know so little about, and instead spend the time reading and learning about Jesus. Your soul would be the better for it.
---Rocky on 9/24/11


Jed:

Acts 15:24
"Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment"

The apostles here are criticizing those who commanded others to keep the law. Did they have the authority to teach this? If so, why disagree with them? And if not, are you willing to tear up all the New Testament except the gospels?


Francis:

How can you be wrong? Simple. We Christians are not living under the law of Moses. Just because Moses allowed something, that doesn't mean we are necessarily allowed to do it (a few examples are divorce and revenge).
---StrongAxe on 9/24/11


Jed //Actually to the contrary, there are several scriptures where Jesus and the Apostals say not to forsake the law, and that grace does not replace the law, it only replaces the curse of the law, wich is the

Yes, if that is true, then if your brother dies without children YOU MUST take raise children for him through his wife.

Matthew 22:24f

Teacher, Moses said, If a man dies having no children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up children for his brother.


Obviously you are not a student of the Bible.
---lee1538 on 9/24/11


Francis, Rocky incorrectly thinks that Jesus' message was that we should not longer obeys God's OT laws. Yet he cannot provide one scripture where Jesus actually tells anyone not to obey God's laws, or that the OT would is no longer to be followed after his death. Actually to the contrary, there are several scriptures where Jesus and the Apostals say not to forsake the law, and that grace does not replace the law, it only replaces the curse of the law, wich is the penalty, death.
---Jed on 9/24/11


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because God's word NEVER changes, I can quote from NT or OT it stsill remains the very same
---Francis on 9/23/11
Your statement above is wrong again, and again your mistake is so obvious to anyone with even a basic understanding of Jesus' message. But I am tired of correcting all your errors and will let someone else have a chance.
---Rocky on 9/24/11


CJ, You are one flesh with your husband, and not one flesh with all men. All men are not your husband, therefore you should not be speaking the same way you do to your husband as you do with other men. As far as submissive, women are to respect men, and men are also to respect women.
---Eloy on 9/24/11


A woman is required to be submissive to her husband. First to GOD, then to her husband. The husband is to be subject to GOD. Then, the wife unto her husband. The only time a woman is to disregard her husband's wishes is when he is clearly going against the Will of GOD. For, the Scriptures also say, it is better to obey GOD rather than men. But, to the rest of men in general? No. And, certainly not in the way she is to be unto her husband. I would say YES, it very well could send a wrong and perhaps tempting message to, at least, some men.
---Gordon on 9/24/11


Rocky on 9/23/11

because God's word NEVER changes, I can quote from NT or OT it stsill remains the very same

The husband is head of the wife, and honestly I anot even sure what your position is. Is your position that the husband can disallow a vow made by his wife to God, but cannot disallow a vow made by her husband to another man?
---Francis on 9/23/11


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I point out that in the scriptures you cite in the NT it does not say the husband is head of the wife but that the wife submits, an important distinction.
---Rocky on 9/23/11
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife,
Corinthians 11:3 the head of the woman is the man,
---francis9/23/11

So? I don't recall anyone challenging the wife is submissive to husband. Point of thread's to address other men. And it certainly doesn't prove my quote about the "scriptures YOU CITE in the NT" was wrong when I made it since you NEVER cited those scriptures on this thread before. Are you trying to distort again and pretend the new cites prove me wrong before?
---Rocky on 9/23/11


I point out that in the scriptures you cite in the NT it does not say the husband is head of the wife but that the wife submits, an important distinction.
---Rocky on 9/23/11
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife,
Corinthians 11:3 the head of the woman is the man,
---francis on 9/23/11


How can I be wrong?
--Francis 9/23/11
You are wrong because you use invalid logic. Just because one commandment says A can command B about X and another says B should submit to A, that does not prove the proposition that A should command B about all things. I have explained this many times and you never attempt to refute but again parrot what you wrote before. And again I point out that in the scriptures you cite in the NT it does not say the husband is head of the wife but that the wife submits, an important distinction. With regard to the OT law about husbands disavowing for wife, is it still in force? You never responded to questions about OT commandments.
---Rocky on 9/23/11


I do not want any other women placing their selves under me except my wife or daughters as their father/husband. The only exception is for men as much as women, example if there is a situation where I have a position of authority, and then I would have a position to fill, IE Pastor, Doctor, boss or supervisor. Beyond that my sisters in Christ are to be loved as Spiritual sisters and any type of submission is a mutual attitude to symbolize Christ love and call to serve one another.
---Poppa_Bear on 9/23/11


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---Rocky on 9/22/11
How can I be wrong?
Does God say that the husband is head of the wife? YES
Does God give the husband the right to disallow a vow made by the wife to God: YES

Thus, If he can disallow a vow made by the wife to God why can't he dissallow a vow made by the wife to another human being?
---Francis on 9/23/11


Now think for a moment.
Francis 9/22/11
Why think a moment? You are state exactly the same argument you have made at least 5 times before in this thread. I have explained why you are wrong several times. You never bother to respond to the legitimate rebuttal I made, you just parrot again the same foolish argument. No need to repeat my rebuttal again, everyone has read it as they have your parroting.
---Rocky on 9/22/11


The man is to love his wife as Christ loved His bride (His people). And this love is to be unconditional. Therefore, if the husband love the wife unconditionally, wouldn't the wife submit to her husband with the same love? Alas, is this possible outside the grace (work) of God? Impossible.

Ephesians 5 speaks in detail of this account in the doctrine of marriage.
---christan on 9/22/11


Num30 is mostly irrelevant to the rule of wives submitting to husbands but is a separate, narrow, specific case about disavowing a vow made to God, ---Rocky on 9/15/11
Now think for a moment. It a husband is given teh right to disallow a vow made to God by his wife, does he not also have the right to disallow any vow or appointments that his wife mas made with mortal men?
---Francis on 9/22/11


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--Francis on 9/15
Can you think of ONE right greater than limiting a wife's vow to God?

What a stupid question. Rights are not arranged in any order. Having one right does not automatically give one other rights. Num30 is mostly irrelevant to the rule of wives submitting to husbands but is a separate, narrow, specific case about disavowing a vow made to God, a right limited to one day after hearing. I agreed that a women should submit to her husband but pointed to the companion commandment to the husband and challenge your misinterpretation and misuse of scripture. I give up trying to help you on this subject and may choose to ignore your future posts on it, unless you state new errors.
---Rocky on 9/15/11


---Rocky on 9/15/11
Can you think of ONE right greater than limiting a wife's vow to God?
---Francis on 9/15/11


Francis, you know I have already addressed Num30 on another thread. It gives the husband a very specific right, to disavow vows the wife makes to God, limited to the day he hears of them. This specific right should not be generalized into other rights, and, if anything places a limit on the more general commandment of wives to obey their husbands. And here, as on multiple posts on the other thread, you continue to ignore the corollary commandment to men to love their wives, so obviously they must command with love. Why are you so long, in numerous posts, on the "wives obey your husbands" but totally ignore "husbands love your wives"? Clearly it is intended that the two be linked together.
---Rocky on 9/15/11


---Rocky on 9/13/11
If you really want to understand the extent to which a wife must submit to her husband, and the extent to which the husband is head of the wife read numbers 30
---Francis on 9/15/11


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Francis: Thank you for quoting Ephesians 5:22 and 24 about wives submitting to their husbands, but once again you left out the important corollaries in verses 21, that instructs wives and husbands to submit themselves one to another and 25 to 33 that instruct husbands to love their wives even as Christ loved the church, to love their wives as their own bodies, and nourisheth and cherish them as their own bodies, There are more verses in that short section admonishing the husband to love his wife than verses commanding her to submit to her husband. Interesting there is no commandment for a woman to love her husband, but one to reverence him.
---Rocky on 9/13/11


hey! Love this blogg.. Just like when you cook'n apply a little pinch of wisdom... Add some time 'n "prayer"fix with God's abiden grace! Carefull use of words! In front of gentlemen who are not your husband... You be ok!Yes! Learn a lesson my self! God bless all.. Love of Jesus..
---ELENA on 9/13/11


Mary: Submissive to your mate within reason. Anotherwords, he should not want you to do something that is against doctrine.
---tonne on 2/15/11


CJ: Only when 'submissive to all' does not conflict with all the other Biblical rules - if there is a disagreement with your husband, and normal discussion does not solve it (often it does), AND it is a difference of opinion (not your husband wanting you to do something unGodly), only THEN is it Biblical to submit - under proper, Godly, conditions
---Peter on 2/8/11


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No. Women are not to be submissive to all men. A husband loves and cares for his wife. He is supposed to love her more then himself being willing to give up many of his wants for her good.

Many men want to use and abuse women. They do not care about them at all. So you cannot trust them.
---Samuel on 2/8/11


Tonne--are you saying that "within reason" women SHOULD be submissive to all men? Can you please clarify that for me--thanks.
---Mary on 2/8/11


within reason
---tonne on 2/7/11


I ask a pastor the same question. And do not get the statement wrong. Submissive can be taken way out of text. Not as to bow to your knees. But in a understanding way. In some ways people look at it like we are to do what they say no matter how we may feel. But what if the thing they ask you to be submissive to is wrong in your eyes? What then. I do not treat all men the way I treat my signifigant other. But I still try to practice showing respect. Just do not let the statement go overboard when it is being said. Look the word "submmisive or submission" up in the bible or a dictonary to get a true understanding of the word and see exactly how it is used in the verse
---Nicole_Hawkins on 1/17/11


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Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.

Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own husbands, that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives,

1 Peter 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
---francis on 1/6/11


CJ you probably are giving a wrong message to some men the bible does honour authorities, and as a woman you should submit to YOUR OWN husband as to the Lord. as a christian you should SUBMIT to the ELDERS of the church. and esteem your fellow believers above your self. nevertheless there is a difference in expression, and you cannot treat all men as your husband. there are limits.
---andy3996 on 1/4/11


You are quite welcome CJ, and good for you.
Contentment, security, and peace are both precious, and priceless.
---Josef on 1/4/11


Josef, I am embarrassed, because it is not mainstream to 'submit'. I've had other wives snicker at me when being respectful of my husband, like I'm being used. Thank you for taking time to help. I will continue to be a gentle spirit and feel comfort in the protection of my husband and faith.
---CJ on 1/2/11


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"Are women required to be a submissive spirit to all men?" Required, no.
"Just meant soft-spoken and respectful."
That statement should be applicable to all, male or female.
"It seems some think I'm hitting on them."
That is their mistake, not yours.
"wonder if I give the wrong message by doing so." No.
Precious in the sight of our Father is "the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit." Never feel as though that is something to be embarrassed about, or apologize for. CJ your attitude is simply a reflection of how secure you are in yourself, your husband, and your Father. Be blessed.
---Josef on 1/2/11


I guess submissive was the wrong word to use. I just meant soft-spoken and respectful. I don't want to embarass my husband by being loud and over-bearing. It seems some think I'm hitting on them.
---Cj on 1/1/11
A woman can be "soft-spoken" without giving the impression of being a "come-on." As Christians, we are ALL called to be humble servants to everyone. You should show honor to your husband in a special way, and respect for other Christian men in a non-negative way for yourself. Be blessed.
---tommy3007 on 1/2/11


I guess submissive was the wrong word to use. I just meant soft-spoken and respectful. I don't want to embarass my husband by being loud and over-bearing. It seems some think I'm hitting on them.
---Cj on 1/1/11


I submit to God, and to the leadership of my church, as it is outlined in Scripture. Since I do not have a husband, I do not submit to any other men. I respect all people, male and female.
---Trish9863 on 1/1/11


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We are to respect people, at all times. But if a man ask me to do something that only my husband should ask of me. Then I will not do it. I have been in the church a long time. This use to be an age old question people use to ask. Persons that have been taught correctly, know the answer. No! If a man want to have a lady wait on him or do something for him that a wife should do. Then get married! No freebies here or special treatment . Pastors,deacons and other male leaders in the church do this all of the time. They lord it over the women because the men know better. Some men don't know this but it still happens with them,sometimes. There is a lot of abuse in the church.
---Robyn on 1/1/11


We should show respect to everyone, however what you do with your husband submit wise is different then public men. they aren't your husband.Still be nice,but you do not need to bow down to them. being submitive to our husbands doesn't mean we're slaves.
---candice on 1/1/11


Where believers are concerned we have the admonition of Ephesians 5:21, to submit to one another out of respect for Christ. However submission to your husband is unique to him, no other man should be given your allegiance and honor unconditionally the way it is given to him. The only relationship I could see as comparable is that of you to your pastor, still he's not one with you in the flesh.
Overall I think believers should carry a somewhat submissive spirit to those that call upon us in need
---Pharisee on 1/1/11


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