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Are Christians Jews? And if so then should you be following the Holy Days commanded and instructed by G-d? Which is written in Scripture. Holy Days that today we dubbed "Jewish Holidays".

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Francis -- Can you find one scripture where anyone ask them (i.e.CHRISTIANS) to meet on sabbath with Jews?
Paul preached in the synegogue on the Sabbath because he WAS a Jew. His own followers, no doubt gathered around to hear him.
This is not "keeping the sabbath".
---Donna66 on 1/10/11


francis - there were no problems in the early church for Jewish Christians as they continued in the tradition of Moses. However when Gentiles came to faith in Christ, the demand they had to become Jewish had to be addressed.

15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, AND to command them to keep the law of Moses.

The results were the Jerusalem council did not mandate circumcision or adherence to Mosaic laws for Gentile converts.

Such strictly Jewish laws as Sabbath observances, dietary laws, were not required of Gentile converts (15:19f).

Early church history validates that position as distinctive Jewish laws were not taught to Gentiles.
---leej on 1/10/11


AND NONE COULD ANSWER!

And the Lord said "But when I return will I find "The Faith" on Earth?
THE ANSWER SADLY IS NO!!!!

For all have commited adultry and fallen to the Pagan Idol worshipping as the Israelites and man has always done in the past.

AND THE LORD SAID...
"I have reserved a remnant for myself who have not bowed down to Baal." (Constantine).
---John on 1/10/11


Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off,
Gentiles grafted into a JEWISH religion.
Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners,...
Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath MADE BOTH ONE, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us],
---francis on 1/10/11

Francis some will not have Heb 8:10 laws in heart/mind.
1. Nth house of ten was broken off.
2. Wall of separation was between the two houses of Israel.....Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31 shows the mending of the house.
Nth house was mixed among the gentiles (Latin RC interp) as you prefer to call them.
Search: For ever and Everlasting....which explain that GOD keeps his word.
Whether we agree or not with GOD.
---Trav on 1/10/11


Trav, are you telling everyone here that one will be going to heaven in the state of flesh and blood as what we are presently?

I have given my understanding of Ezekiel 37 He shed His blood for His people's sin, making the final atonement God has demanded of sin.
---christan on 1/9/11

Wow,so you don't like what Ezekiel is prophesing about the Whole House of Israel. Ok.
He resurrects them, places flesh on them and his spirit. NO Blood is mentioned was the point. Take breath yourself...you going in a senseless circle 2touchy.
Perhaps you think only spirits are going to be marching around? Spiritual Israel...like some dreamers dream? Christ arose...ate food and drank wine.
---Trav on 1/10/11




a follower of Christ Jesus that was born Jew or Gentile in now a new creature in Christ Jesus.

feed the poor, comfort the broken-hearted, visit the elderly, pray for the mothers of abortion, visit the father/motherless...do this on any day...that is the Holy day that God has commanded.
---aka on 1/10/11


Where else would Jews read Moses?
---leej on 1/9/11

You put you foot in your mouth AGAIN.
There are writing to gentile converts to christianity, why then ask them to meet on sabbath with Jews?
Is there not a single christian church meeting on sunday who read Moses of old IE the first five books of the bible?
REMEBER NOW there was NO NT BOOKS AVAILABLE. All they had was the OT books.


All of these comes from Moses writings:
Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.

so do not say that Gentile converts were not commanded to follow what Moses wrote.
---francis on 1/10/11


Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree,

Gentiles grafted into a JEWISH religion.

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but FELLOWCITIZENS with the saints, and of the household of God,

Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath MADE BOTH ONE, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us],
---francis on 1/10/11


Acts 15:21 For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.

Where else would Jews read Moses?

Any student of church history would know that Christians, many of them from Judaism, went into the synagogues to reach others for Christ, trying to convince others that Jesus was the promised Messiah.

Howbeit, the early church was built around the house church. They could not break bread in remembrance of the death of Christ on the Cross at synagogues.

Adventist like to say that Christian were commanded to attend the synagogue to learn of the law but that would have meant they needed to be taught by unbeliever, rabbis & priests. Ridiculous!
---leej on 1/9/11


QUESTION FROM CHRIST...
Luke 20:4
"John's baptism--was it from heaven, or from men?"

SAME QUESTION FOR YOU...
Constantine's Holy Days--was it from Heaven or from Men?
-----------------------------
Luke 20:5(+/-) They discussed it among themselves and said, "If we say, 'From Man,' he will ask, 'Why did you believe him?'

How then do you Pray to G-d???


---John on 1/9/11




-Acts 15:21 isn't a command, it's a statement, the Jews did preach Moses every seventh day in the synagogues.
1Cor 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness,
-Acts 15:21 was in reference to:
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses.
-The response?
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:
-Cicumcision-sign of the Abrahamic Covenant, keeping the law-Mosiac Covenant.
---micha9344 on 1/9/11


francis states: Who cares what is stated in WCF? What about THE BIBLE?

"The Westminster Confession of Faith (WCF) is lauded by its adherents as the greatest, clearest, and most orthodox confession of biblical Christianity ever produced. It is purported to be a simple exhibition of the truth, in which much of its content is set forth in opposition to the heresies and errors that have been propounded in various ages."

It is easily to see why you have no use for it.

You fail to realize that your obedience to laws strictly Jewish has virtually NOTHING to do with your salvation or Christian walk.
---leej on 1/9/11


francis //Peter was teaching Gentiees to LIVE AS JEWS, which meant diet, sabbath, ...

Shamefully wrong as usual!

And that is WHY Paul rebuked Peter as he was discriminating against the Gentile believers by separating himself and portraying himself more as a Jew than as a Christian.

2:14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas (Peter)before them all, If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?

And if you are going to live like a Jew, you do the Sabbath and dietary things.

2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ,
---leej on 1/9/11


Galatians 3:27-29-When we accept Jesus as our Savior and are baptized, we become the seed of Abraham (Israelites) and heirs according to (God's) the promise. Technically, Jews were inhabitants of Judah. God's people were called Israelites.
Many of the rituals of the Old Testament church were actually prophetic in nature, pointing forward to the ministry and death of Jesus. Thus, those prophetic rituals met their fulfillment at the cross and were no longer required for faithful living. See Col. 2:12-14. That is why, as Jesus died on the cross, the vail in the temple was torn from top to bottom by an unseen hand, signifying an end to those sacrificial services.
---Lynn on 1/9/11


Trav, are you telling everyone here that one will be going to heaven in the state of flesh and blood as what we are presently?

You continue to use Scriptures that you have no understanding of when you talk about Ezekiel 37:6 and Leviticus 17:11. And you point these Scripture against 1 Corinthians 15:50. I have given my understanding of Ezekiel 37 and about Leviticus 17:11, it speaks of the blood atonement on the mercy seat which has already now been accomplished at Calvary by Jesus Christ. He shed His blood for His people's sin, making the final atonement God has demanded of sin.

So, you want to go to heaven in what God has already cursed? Dust you are, dust you shall return? Good for you.
---christan on 1/9/11


---leej on 1/8/11
WRONG AGAIN

Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the GENTILES TO LIVE AS DO THE JEWS?

Peter was teaching Gentiees to LIVE AS JEWS, which meant diet, sabbath, and every covenant NOT REQUIRING BLOOD ( Blood covenant would be circumcision)

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues EVERY SABBATH DAY

The apostles commanded that the Gentile converts hear the word of God which was preached EVERY SABBATH, not every first day, EVERY SABBATH
---francis on 1/8/11


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Leej, The Sabbath attending Gentiles were "viewed as proselytes"? By whom? Religious men? Pharisees with hearts far from GOD? They were not considered as Jewish proselytes by GOD nor by the true Believers. They were simply new Believers being a part of the Church Scene. And, who cares what "they" thought, when what really matters is what GOD thought. Those Gentiles became Believers in the same Messiah as the Jewish converts and were thus an official part of the Church. In YAHUSHUA there is "neither Jew nor Gentile", MEANING: What was good for the goose, was good for the gander. The Jewish Believers in YAHUSHUA and the Gentile Believers were now ONE, and they obeyed the SAME COMMANDMENTS of GOD.
---Gordon on 1/9/11


I'm trusting what Christ did for me. "Romans 6:15 What then?shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under Grace? God forbid." You have the right to believe how ever you chose, But I will never be foolish enough to think I could ever follow the law the way Christ did.The law shows us how sinful we are & how desperately we need Christ. I'm glad He is my covering.
---Reba on 1/8/11


francis //Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,
---

Those ignorant of the Bible fail to realize that those "sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, ..." are by definition proselytes to Judaism.

Howbeit, Gentiles who became Christians did not not join themselves to the Judaism, they were converts to Christ, not proselytes to Judaism.

They did not run down to the local synagogue and get themselves circumcised, clean out their refrigerator of ritually unclean food, or observe the Jewish Sabbath.

---leej on 1/8/11


Acts 15:1 circumcised
Acts 15:5 circumcise
Acts 15:24 circumcised
Acts 21:21 circumcise
Romans 4:11 though they be not circumcised, that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
1 Corinthians 7:18 let him not be circumcised.
Galatians 2:3 circumcised:
Galatians 5:2 circumcised,
Galatians 5:3 circumcised,
Galatians 6:12 circumcised,

TEN times in the NT the issue of circumcision in mentioned as not being needed.

4 times in ACTS it is in the same context
4 times in galations same context

Do you not think that if other laws such as Sabbath were in dispute that 1 out 10 times that law would be mentioned along with circumcision, or in place of circumcision?
---FRANCIS on 1/8/11


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"There's no need follow the law."
Reba,

You're wrong! DEAD WRONG!

JESUS SAID:...
MATT 5:19

"So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God's laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven".


Let me reword my question since many here won't look in the mirror.

I AM NOT reffering to Jews, It's about Christians of today and their rituals.

Similar to Jesus question(Mk11:31) to the Pharissees about The Baptist.

If you agree you're Jew, then why don't you follow G-ds Holy days. If you don't, then YOU are NOT following G-d, but Constantine.
---John on 1/8/11


Gordon -No one disallows the fact that the Apostles always went to the synagogues to preach the gospel, that Jesus was the Christ and the promised Messiah.

But the later church model was the home church, not the synagogue.

And yes, there were a mixture of both Jews and Gentiles present in the synagogues, the latter were viewed as proselytes - converts to Judaism.

Howbeit, Christians could not not break bread in the synagogues and perform the Eucharist as such was not not not part of the worship in Judaism.

And it is explicit from the decrees of the Jerusalem council that Gentile converts did not have to convert to Judaism to become genuine Christians.
---leej on 1/8/11


-micha9344 on 1/7/11

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Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts

So here in another book you have the lord promising that the righteous shall tread upon the ashes of the wicked.

If you now look at revealtion you will see that the wicked are destroyed in the very presence of the righteous:

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away, and there was no more sea.
---francis on 1/7/11


Leej, Woven throughout the Book of ACTS are the recorded times that the early Church gathered on the 7th Day Sabbath. Among those Saints who gathered were...Gentile Believers. For example, see ACTS 13:42! Gentiles also, did observe the Sabbath! For anyone to say that the Sabbath was "only for the Jews", or, "not for the Church", or that "no Gentiles observed the Sabbath, only the Jews did.", are being ignorant of the Bible Truth. I just backed that up with that one, single Scripture Verse of ACTS 13:42. You say you believe the Bible. Right there, it's written! Are you still going to put some other historical document above GOD's Word? A document that twists the Truth, or has been twisted or misunderstood itself??
---Gordon on 1/7/11


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John, I'll take a whack at it. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but, the Judaism of today (Jewish Orthodoxy) is not a real religion from GOD. That's verified because they reject YAHUSHUA (JESUS) as their Messiah. The truth is, is that, even the Jewish religion, as it existed during the time of the Messiah's first Advent, was not for GOD. For, although they memorized and "studied" the O.T. Scriptures, they did not understand them, nor GOD, since they did not recognize the One of Whom those Scriptures were written. That's why YAHUSHUA got in their faces all of the time. Only the people who truly believe and follow GOD, of the O.T., the N.T. and of today are GOD's people. All one in GOD, despite the years of separation.
---Gordon on 1/8/11


John, I personally don't like the way you question some things. You sir up confusion & that's never of GOD. Satan is the author of confusion. You either accept Christ as the coming Saviour or you don't. He completed all the law for anyone who accepts Him. We could not do it, but He did. There's no need to try & follow the law if you're living under the Blood of Christ's sacrifice for your sins & living in His Grace. That goes for the Jew & any other breathing human being. It's a choice every person will HAVE TO make.
---Reba on 1/8/11


Trav,
Prophets and apostles writing the Scripture does not contradict one another and will never ever contradict.
So, the next time you give "meat" to someone, make sure it's not tainted with poison.
---christan on 1/7/11

OT prophets are your poison then. Indeed they are to your doctrine.
Are you rending me?
You make a statement that they should agree then argue with them. There is no contridiction except in your understanding. There is no blood mentioned in Eze 37.
Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
---Trav on 1/8/11


What happen to Judaism? A religion started by G-d Himself.
Since ALL the prophecies of their Hebrew Bible have failed to come true and "Their Messiah" failed to arrive. ---John on 1/7/11

1. First GOD did not start what the Judeans, and some claiming to be Judean practice today. Talmudism. Evolving from Babylon.
2. Judah...was not divorced at Jesus time....the Nth house nations of Israel were. There were Judean/edomite imposters. Herod was one.
3. OT Scripture was fulfilled.... corrupted Judeans and infiltrators of Esau could not recognize the messiah.
4. Israelite divorced Nations GOD have accepted and recognized...Judah was 1/12th of that didn't. See Judas.
See Heb 8:8.
---Trav on 1/8/11


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John,Bible says the God of the Gentiles/Christians and the God of the Jews is the same God. Through Christ God sent a New Covenant to his Choosen People the Jews but they rejected Christ and didn't believe him to be the Messiah therefore they rejected the New Covenant from God too. Christianity isn't a new religion but new methods. God had Christ crucified to end the old rituals and nailed the old ordinances to the cross Colossians 2:14 Bloting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,which was contrary to us,and took it out of the way,nailing it to his cross. Luke 9:22-be rejected of the elders,chief priests,scribes,slain,and raised the 3rd day. The Jews rejected but the Gentiles accepted Christ and a New Covenant.
---Darlene_1 on 1/8/11


While we can certainly acknowledge the Jewish Sabbath is Saturday neither the Bible nor the early church mandated its observance to Gentile converts.

Francis says "So read MORE. the word of God is NOT LIMITED TO THE NT.

Very true, howbeit, the New Covenant has replaced the Old Covenant(Hebrews 8:13f), the New being NOT NOT a re-hash of the Old as Adventist mistakenly believe.

Also the epistle to the Galatians identifies Adventists as being slave children of Hagar from Mt. Sinai because they reject grace and promote adherence to selective Old Covenant laws.
---leej on 1/8/11


Interesting???

NOW Let me add to my question...

If Christianity is not Judaism, but a different religion. Therefore Judaism could not have evolved into Christianity, since it is a different religion and not the final stage of Judaism

THEN...

What happen to Judaism? A religion started by G-d Himself.
Since ALL the prophecies of their Hebrew Bible have failed to come true and "Their Messiah" failed to arrive. In other words... "Their G-d" failed or lied to his people.

Therefore the Jewish G-d was NOT The True G-d and so Judaism then died in 70AD.

(Think thoroughly before answering.)
---John on 1/7/11


Trav, you claim to provide me meat saying "Eze says that flesh will be inheritors."

Prophets and apostles writing the Scripture does not contradict one another and will never ever contradict.

Ezekiel 37 speaks of God's power to raise man though they would be dead, and what could be more dead than just bones left in the valley? It does not speak of salvation unto His Kingdom. Of which Paul clearly declares, "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." 1 Corinthians 15:50

So, the next time you give "meat" to someone, make sure it's not tainted with poison.
---christan on 1/7/11


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already acknowledge that the Jewish Sabbath is Saturday but find that neither the Bible nor the early church mandated its observance to Gentile converts.
---leej on

So read MORE. the word of God is NOT LIMITED TO THE NT

Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,
---francis on 1/7/11


I know your false reference francis, which does not include v 24 featuring the carcases wich you claim from vv 22-23 are in heaven.
May perhaps you still have the wrong interpretation of these verses?
Notice the word 'as' as in similarity? What does that word mean to you?
---micha9344 on 1/7/11


Goron //when you danced around that one. Anything to avoid the Truth.

And what "truth" is that I am trying to avoid?

I already acknowledge that the Jewish Sabbath is Saturday but find that neither the Bible nor the early church mandated its observance to Gentile converts.

While I can agree the earliest church was all Jewish, once Gentile converts came into the church, the decision was made that they did not have to convert to Judaism to be genuine. The Jerusalem council decree is very clear on that issue.

History also attest to that decision.

It is unfortunate that our Adventist friends absolutely refuse to acknowledge either what the Bible says or what history records.
---leej on 1/7/11


Trav,

and I am not sure who you are or what your point of Ezekiel 37:6 is to my previous blog to John. "Mortal flesh and blood as we are now will not inherit.
---christan on 1/6/11

I was pointing out scripture that would give you a little meat. You may have issues with prophets and Ezekial....and anyone pointing to a steak dinner.

Eze says that flesh will be inheritors. The part that may bother you is it is Israel....all nations of pertaining too. Called Context.....in less than 125 words.
11Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: .....
---Trav on 1/7/11


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Leej, You know very well that the common calendar week starts with SUNDAY. Sunday is the first day of the week. The "first work day" of the week does not validate Monday to be the first week day. I could not help but laugh, when you danced around that one. Anything to avoid the Truth.
---Gordon on 1/7/11


Pentecost

found only in the New Testament #Ac 2:1 20:16 #1Co 16:8 The festival so named is first spoken of in #Ex 23:16 as "the feast of harvest," and again in #Ex 34:22 as "the day of the firstfruits" #Nu 28:26 From the sixteenth of the month of Nisan (the second day of the Passover), seven complete weeks, i.e., forty-nine days, were to be reckoned, and this feast was held on the fiftieth day.
---leej on 1/7/11


Isaiah states we will gather to together on the sabbath in Heaven?
Please reference...
---micha9344 on 1/6/11
I can reference, can you accept?


Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
---francis on 1/7/11


Isaiah states we will gather to together on the sabbath in Heaven?
Please reference...
---micha9344 on 1/6/11


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In Judaism, Pentecost commemorates giving the Law on Mt. Sinai.
---Cluny on 1/6/11

Sorry read it again.

Exodus 40:17 And it came to pass in the first month in the second year, on the first day of the month, that the tabernacle was reared up

( YEARS AFTER THE GIVING OF THE LAW)

the rest of the chapter tells us how the put the sanctuary together and cleansed the priests, THEN:


Exodus 40:35 And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.

ALSO

Solomon builds the temple and consecrates it then:
1 Kings 8:11 the glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD.
---francis on 1/6/11


//I am a christian. I eat as God said we shold eat, i keep the sabbath, and the feasts.

While you are entitled to your own religious beliefs as to food and days set apart, does not scripture tell you to respect others that have different views?

Romans 14:5-6 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, ... while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.

While Paul had the highest respect for Jewish laws, the Spirit did not impose those unique to Judaism onto the Gentiles.
---leej on 1/6/11


Trav,

and I am not sure who you are or what your point of Ezekiel 37:6 is to my previous blog to John. "Mortal flesh and blood as we are now will not inherit." Is there "other kinds of flesh and blood" you would like to discuss or are you just trying to be profound with your blogging when using Ezekiel 37:6 in the Valley of Dry Bones?

Please be specific and clear when you want to discuss something pertaining to what I have said, as we are only allocated 125 words per blog and not 125,000 words!
---christan on 1/6/11


\\Pentecost has to do with the inauguration of the temple snd it's high priest.\\

Wrong again.

In Judaism, Pentecost commemorates giving the Law on Mt. Sinai.

It took some time after Moses came down with the Torah to build the Tabernacle (NOT Temple, which wasn't built until several hundred years afterwards), its appointments, making the cohenim's vestments, anointing and installing them, and the like.
---Cluny on 1/6/11


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True the Cross points to the rest we have in JESUS. But so does Sabbath. As we rest on Sabbath so we also understand that our salvation is not earned by works. We must rest in JESUS and Him alone.

There is a new day coming when we will rest in Heaven. But even then we will gather together on Sabbath as Isiah stated. So each Sabbath I rest in JESUS and I rest in contemplation of my eternal rest from this present world in Heaven.
---Samuel on 1/6/11


//I am a christian. I eat as God said we shold eat, i keep the sabbath, and the feasts.

While you are entitled to your own religious beliefs as to food and days set apart, does not scripture tell you to respect others that have different views?

Romans 14:5-6 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, ... while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.

While Paul had the highest respect for Jewish laws, the Spirit did not impose those unique to Judaism onto the Gentiles.
---leej on 1/6/11


a follower of Christ Jesus that was born Jew or Gentile in now a new creature in Christ Jesus.

feed the poor, comfort the broken-hearted, visit the elderly, pray for the mothers of abortion, visit the father/motherless...do this on any day...that is the Holy day that God has commanded.
---aka on 1/6/11


//the sabbath points to Christ as CREATOR:

Also, the Cross points to the rest believers have in Christ.

Heb 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,As I swore in my wrath, They (ISRAEL) shall not enter my rest, although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:4 For he has somewhere spoken of the 7th day in this way: And God rested on the 7th day from all his works.

Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.

Thus that "Another Day" is not the Jewish Sabbath.
---leej on 1/6/11


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1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
--It was a duel effort on both parts to slay our Lord and King.
--Christians are neither Jew nor Gentile, but once were.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new.
---micha9344 on 1/6/11


Questions like these should cause us to examine our beliefs and practices.

I am a christian. I eat as God said we shold eat, i keep the sabbath, and the feasts.
I am a none-hebrew and consider myself to be grafted into the good olive tree, and also a citizen of israel.
This makes a me a jew. I eat as a jew, I worship as a jew.

Infact I worshsip a jewish messiah who had jewish disciples who taught from books writen by Jews.

More than that:
Romans 2:29 But FRANCIS is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.
---francis on 1/6/11


John, time to study?

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
What have you been studying if you claim to be a Christian?---christan on 1/6/11

Not clear who you are blogging to but,...
1. Don't go against the prophets...utilize them as witnesses for your points.

Mortal flesh and blood as we are now will not inherit. Notice there is no blood mentioned in the following verse. Note for future context who is spoken too.
Ezekiel 37:6
And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live, and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
---Trav on 1/6/11


If Gentile Christians don't need to keep OT feasts because of the Cross, why does that mean they are still bound to the Saturday sabbath and kashuroth, francis?
--Cluny on 1/6/11

Obviously you need help with this.

the sabbath points to Christ as CREATOR: Can the cross change that?

The feast days point to jesus as messaih, High priest and redeemer.

Christ is the passover
Christ is the high priest
Pentecost has to do with the inauguration of the temple snd it's high priest.
These are revealed at the cross. Where as the sabbath is revealed at day one of creation.

In other terms: The passover lamb is a shadow of jesus
the sabath is a memorial of his creative power.
---francis on 1/6/11


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While some Christians may not be Jews in ethnicity, ALL Christians are Jews in religion according to the Bible - we are grafted into the Jewish faith, because Jesus was a Jew. Also, most Christians have Jewish DNA and don't even know it. For more on this go to Dell Sanchez's website to get your DNA test. Also, the Feasts are God's Feasts, NOT the Jewish Feasts - and God requires that ALL Christians keep these FOREVER - this is a COMMAND.
---Leslie on 1/6/11


Sounds to me like you're picking and choosing what parts of the OT you follow.
---Cluny on 1/6/11

AMEN!
and that's the problem with the Seventh Day Adventist cult, it's a self righteousness that isn't even getting it right...the fact is all that superstition they add to Christianity alienates them from God and cheapens his holiness to say that they can somehow please God with pathetic human works that he has clearly said he didn't desire, Mercy however is on his wishlist, not sacrifice.
---Pharisee on 1/6/11


John, time to study?

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." 1 Corinthians 15:50

It does not matter if you're born a Jew, African, Chinese, European, American or any nationality. What you are saying and doing is to bring Christians back to the days of the iron yoke that condemns a man.

You speak of nothing that edifies a Christian when you concentrate on the flesh and blood, even after the Scripture is complete and revealed. Jesus proclaimed, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

What have you been studying if you claim to be a Christian?
---christan on 1/6/11


"But go and learn what this means: I desire mercy and not sacrifice. For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance." Matthew 9:13
---christan on 1/6/11


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If Christians were to be Jews, then the decision of the Jerusalem council would have been much different and that conference was to decide if Gentiles converts needed to become Jews in order to be genuine.

Scripture makes a distinction between Jews & Gentiles.

Ro 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin,

1Co 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

As to the Jewish Holy Days, there was none commanded of the church. Romans 14
---leej on 1/6/11


\\The reason christians do not keep these feast have nothing to do with Jew and gentile. It has to do with THE CROSS
---francis on 1/5/11\\

If Gentile Christians don't need to keep OT feasts because of the Cross, why does that mean they are still bound to the Saturday sabbath and kashuroth, francis?

Sounds to me like you're picking and choosing what parts of the OT you follow.
---Cluny on 1/6/11


---Pharisee on 1/5/11
You would surely have to read much more than leviticus 23 to answer this question.
I did already show from exodus and numbers that these feast did apply to all people who were godly, Jew ort none jew.

But let me just use a NT verse to show that these feats were never meant for jews only:

In Acts 2 a list of jews and their nationalities are listed who came to observe Pentecost.

Among them were Acts 2:10 PROSELYTES: None hebrews who had accepted the word of God.

They also along with the jew by blood line of abraham came to celebrate Pentecost.

So the reasons why the church does not keep many of these feast have nothing to do with jew or gentile, but the fulfilments of the cross.
---francis on 1/6/11


GALATIANS 3:29 says "And if you belong to YAHUSHUA (CHRIST JESUS), then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to Promise." This Verse sums it up. It's not those with "Jewish" blood that are true Jews, in the truest sense of the word. Real Jewishness is anyone who believes and follows GOD through His Son YAHUSHUA (JESUS). For example, the city of Jerusalem, now in Israel, is only a shadow of the TRUE "New Jerusalem" in Heaven. The City of the Saints and of their GOD. Therefore, the Church has every reason to celebrate the Jewish/Messianic Holy Days, for they all point us to the Messiah YAHUSHUA.
---Gordon on 1/6/11


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Francis Leviticus 23 commands the children of Israel over and over again...Verse 2 Moses speaks to who? Verse 4...YOU (who) shall proclaim them...Who? Verse 10...the children of Israel...(we are not the physical children of Israel, but instead the spiritual children of Abraham Gal 3:7) and what of verse 12 and your burnt offerings? Do YOU DO THIS? Then you must also build the altar commanded be built in Exodus 20 right?

The feasts are only mentioned in the NT in order to show time, nowhere are they commanded to be observed, they are as I said uniquely Hebrew commands.
---Pharisee on 1/5/11


The feasts of the lord pointed to jesus christ, and times and events sourounding his death, resurrection and return. There is fulfilment of many of the feasts in his death and resurrection:

1 Corinthians 5:7 For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1 Corinthians 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened [bread] of sincerity and truth.

These are not a jew or gentile thing.
---francis on 1/6/11


Some Christians are genetically Jewish others are Gentile. Both were selected by God to be in his family. ---Blogger9211 on 1/5/11

If some are genetically Judah...then some are genetically Esau. Then some are genetically other divorced nations of Israel....Dan,Asher,Issachar,Naphtali,Ephraim,Manasseh,Zebulun etc,etc. Whoa wait a minute there Trav....no cemetary trained preacher or leeproff teaches this....show scripture.

Revelation 21:12
And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Your gentiles/ethnos.
---Trav on 1/6/11


\\No, Christians are not Jews.

Now if you want to practice Karism, go right ahead, but don't call yourself a Christian in that case.
---Cluny on 1/5/11

Karsites are Edomites Cluny.
G-d Hated the Edomites and so do Jews of today.
---JOhn on 1/5/11\\

Wrong, John.

Karites are a sect of Judaism holding to a literal interpretation of the Torah, but rejecting Pharasaism as recorded in the Talmud.

Of course, the result is that they have their own interpretation that is at times stricter, and at times more lenient, than the Pharisees.

Doesn't bother you to pop off about things of which you clearly know little?
---Cluny on 1/6/11


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The Feasts of the Lord are given to the Israelites and are uniquely Hebrew.
---Pharisee on 1/5/11
Nonesense

Exodus 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it,

Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

The reason christians do not keep these feast have nothing to do with Jew and gentile. It has to do with THE CROSS
---francis on 1/5/11


Some Christians are genetically Jewish others are Gentile. Both were selected by God to be in his family. Christ is God's natural born son and the rest of us were selected by him for adoption into God's family. Christ death on the cross paid the the price for moving from our former family into God's. All of this happened prior to creation. Christ is our brother and he alone has the right of the first born son and the the rest of us are equal in the rights of family membership. Let us hope we can live up to this gift that has been granted to the elect.
---Blogger9211 on 1/5/11


YES WE ARE

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God,

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:


Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree,

Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
---francis on 1/5/11


No, Christians are not Jews.

Now if you want to practice Karism, go right ahead, but don't call yourself a Christian in that case.
---Cluny on 1/5/11

Karsites are Edomites Cluny.
G-d Hated the Edomites and so do Jews of today.
---JOhn on 1/5/11


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becouse in daniel 7: 25 the little horn thinks to change times and law. find a old catechism and look up change of the sabbath and feasts. the early church kept then both,see colossians 2:16 they were a shadow of things to come, not pass, they were a substance of Christ, which points to Him. and to his comming.
---dan on 1/5/11


Christians are not Jews, but those who believe in the way the truth and the life have been grafted into the nation of Israel. There are twleve tribes that comprise that nation, Judah being but one of the twelve. Christian should follow God's instructions found in scripture. They need not follow Jewish instruction found outside of scripture.
---AG on 1/5/11


Christians do not have to follow Jewish laws and rituals,we're not Jews. The Jews were under the Old Covenant,which now has passed away,read Hebrews 8:8-13 A new Covenant,he has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to pass away. We,Christians are New Covenant Christians,not OT Jews but we are of the Jewish branch because we took the place of the branch which was broken off and cast away due to lawlessness,we have been grafted into the branch,and thus recieve from the same root as the Jews,read Romans 11:12-22. The rules for Gentiles in Acts 15:29 That you abstain from meats offered to idols,from blood,things strangled,fornication,from which if you keep yourself,you do well.
---Darlene_1 on 1/5/11


According to the Bible, Christians and Jews that are in Christ are one in the same. This means that yes, Christians MUST observe the Feast Days because they are COMMANDED by God to observe - they are God's Feasts, NOT the Jewish Feasts according to the Bible. ALL N.T. Christians observed the Feasts and taught us to observe them as well, despite any teaching contrary to this.
---Leslie on 1/5/11


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Christians were once the gentiles (non -jewish). They are not jewish. We should respect Gods holy days if we choose to because we are not to judge others on what they do & do not do.We're not under the law, the jewish were.
---candice on 1/5/11


What's your point?
christan on 1/5/11

WOW! My point flew so far above your head, that your post is absolutely embarrassing.

TIME TO STUDY!
---John on 1/5/11


Born again believers become the spiritual seed of Abraham, through the Grace of Christ's sacrifice for our sins. We are the seed of Abraham --- BY GRACE, THROUGH FAITH...NOT WORKS.
---Reba on 1/5/11


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