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Bible Mentions Missing Books

The Bible mentions several other books that are not contained in it. Did the council of Nicea remove these books, and if they did what was their reasoning for doing so?

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"You can pray to the dead and ask them to pray for you if you want but as far as I know that is a very pagan act." (ginger)

Come on Ginger, let's not go to "the pagans do it, so it is evil" route again.

The very act of "praying" is pagan. In fact, elements of Scriptura worship and liturgical services (the use of Holy Water, incense, bells, sacrifices, baptisms, etc) are part of paganism. Do you know that going to temples (or churches) is pagan too?

But howbeit, I believe it is necessary to separate "paganism" and "symbols/acts" that are shared with paganism. Similarity is not the same as dependence or derivation.

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 1/17/11


"You guys are really trying to condone asking a dead person to intercede for you?" (ginger)

The practice itself was part of Ancient Judaism (as evident in the Jewish Talmud) and was certainty part of the Ancient Church (as evident in the Ancient Liturgies and the Witness of the Fathers). All Pre-Reformation Churches has retained this Tradition.

"We are commanded by Jesus to pray for each other not to or for the dead."

Scriptures does not tell one that they CAN'T ask a Saint or Angel in heaven to pray for them. Lo, we find Biblical evidence that the Saints and Holy Angels DO INDEED pray for those on Earth (2 Macc. 15:12-16, Baruch 3:4, Revelation 5:8, 6:9-11, 8:3-4, etc).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/16/11


"We are commanded by Jesus to pray for each other not to or for the dead but those who are alive. Scipture is clear on this." (ginger)

Scriptures tell us that one can pray for the departed (2 Maccabess 12:40-46) and that it is beneficial (to what extent we do not know)

This book was consider Scripture by most Ancient Jews (and modern African Jews accept it as Scripture), the Early Christians quoted for it as Scripture and it is part of the Bible of all Pre-Reformation Churches.

Since Scripture teach it, and the constant witness of Holy Tradition accept the practice as orthodox teaching, why then do you disbelieve Ginger? Why don't you follow God's word?

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 1/16/11


Isn't the very act of "praying" a pagan practice? So you DO condone practices that are share with paganism, John?

In IC.XC.,.
---IGnatius on 1/16/11

NO! Name someone in scripture that didn't pray.
---John on 1/16/11


You guys are really trying to condone asking a dead person to intercede for you?


You can pray to the dead and ask them to pray for you if you want but as far as I know that is a very pagan act.
Jesus said where 2 or 3 are gathered together touching and agreeing there I am in the midst of them. And that he is the mediator.
We are commanded by Jesus to pray for each other not to or for the dead but those who are alive. Scipture is clear on this.
But I guess according to some it is okay to put what ever twist you want on it.
---ginger on 1/16/11




We don't ask "DEAD" Christians to pray for us.

---John o

Wrong again.

According to Holy Tradition (i.e., Sacred Scriptures, Ancient Liturgies, and the witness of the Fathers), those who have departed in Grace are in the presence of the Lord, awaiting their resurrection. Again, according to Holy Tradition, those in heaven (the Saints and the Holy Angels) are not only aware of what occurs on Earth, but offer up prayers for us (2 Macc. 15:12-16, Baruch 3:4, Revelation 5:8, 6:9-11, 8:3-4, etc).

Since you believe in the existence of other "pagan gods", do you ask them for their "prayers", John?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/16/11


"
We don't ask "DEAD" Christians to pray for us.

---John "

In other words John, you do "pray" (i.e., ask/entreat) to fellow Christians on earth (to act as your intercessor [s]) to offer up prayers for you or for others?

Isn't the very act of "praying" a pagan practice? So you DO condone practices that are share with paganism, John?

In IC.XC.,.
---IGnatius on 1/16/11


"For example how could one possibly pray to Mary to represent them before Christ if they read the Bible?" (Mima)

You do it all the time when you ask a fellow Christian to pray for you.
---Ignatius on 1/14/11

NO NOT QUITE!~

We don't ask "DEAD" Christians to pray for us.

---John on 1/15/11


According to the Bible, there is no purgatory, and Mary, being dead, is unconscious.

Ecc 9:4-6 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished, neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
---jerry6593 on 1/16/11


Well Christan... where's your apology?

"IT IS BETTER TO REMAIN SILENT AND BE CONSIDER A FOOL, THAN TO SPEAK OUT AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT!"


PLEASE STUDY BEFORE POSTING OR JUDGING!
---John on 1/15/11




How do you know?
What is that requirement for complete arrival and a pit stop to get polished up?
---micha9344 on 1/15/11


Ruben this verse exposes your mistake in believing in purgatory.
Second Corinthians 5:8
""We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
---mima on 1/15/11


Mary is not in purgatory awaiting perfection?
---micha9344 on 1/14/11

No, since she said Yes from the get go, but Purgatory is waiting for you and me when it is our time to go...:)
---Ruben on 1/14/11


\\Mary is not in purgatory awaiting perfection?
---micha9344 on 1/14/11\\

Nope.

The tradition of the pre-reformation Churches is that the Theotokos, after her physical death, was assumed body and soul into heaven, and lives entirely in the World to Come--the destiny of all who belong to Christ.
---Cluny on 1/14/11


Craig, I really don't know where you come out with this ideas of anger. You are what I use to be, though I never argued against the sovereignty of God because I knew better then to argue something I just didn't understand completely. When I don't know something I do not argue about it. If someone brings something to a blog, I look to see if I have studied it before I even answer. I have studied many topics in Scripture and denominations, but not all of them. I only answer when I know. And only what I feel the Spirit is leading me to study. I'm up at 2 or 3 am each morning studying. Looking up passages and why they say what they say. Not what I want them to say. I finally got a good question from Pharisee and I answered him.
---Mark_V. on 1/14/11


Mary is not in purgatory awaiting perfection?
---micha9344 on 1/14/11


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"For example how could one possibly pray to Mary to represent them before Christ if they read the Bible?" (Mima)

You do it all the time when you ask a fellow Christian to pray for you.

The word "pray" means to "ask/entreat", and when you "pray" to a fellow Christian to "intercede" to God for you (i.e., for your personal sickness, etc), you are making them your mediators. Only Christ is the unique mediator between God and Man.

That's exactly what we see the Holy Apostles and the Early Christians during in the Scriptures (i.e., asking fellow Christians to pray to God for them or for others).

In IC.Xc.,
---Ignatius on 1/14/11


\\ For example how could one possibly pray to Mary to represent them before Christ if they read the Bible?\\

You can't refute that idea on the basis of just the Biblical data themselves.
---Cluny on 1/14/11


Eventhough other books of the Holy Bible mentions books that we do not have in the Word of God, does not mean they "were inspired by God". The council of Nicea did not remove them. The books that were not included were found not to meet specific criteria: this was it had to be written by a known author such as Solomon, or Paul, had to be of a high spiritual content, and was accepted by the Early Church as the Word of God. Each of the books that we have today in the 66 books of the Canon meet those requirements. The others did not.
---ivan9398 on 1/14/11


For example how could one possibly pray to Mary to represent them before Christ
---mima on 1/14/11

Ex:
"I urge you, brothers and sisters, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to join me in my struggle by praying to God for me." (Romans 15:30)

Why didn't Paul go directly to God. Don't give me the 'old' saying Mary is dead, now Mima, when you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord & Savior, you believe you will have eternal what? ... life So you are not dead but ALIVE, AMEN..Guess what Mary is already there before you and me. "The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective."(James 5:16) Who is more righteous, You now or Mary who is in Heaven?
---Ruben on 1/14/11


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---The god you present is not the one from Scripture. He is weak, knows nothing, and man defeat Him day in and day out. ---


This is EXACTLY why you will never see scripture for what it says. You already HATE the fact that God offers free will and that men can reject Him. I suspect someone close to you has done so and your anger is turned against the idea that God gave him/her a choice and they chose poorly.
---CraigA on 1/14/11


Most cults depend on the fact that most people do not read the Bible. For example how could one possibly pray to Mary to represent them before Christ if they read the Bible?
---mima on 1/14/11


\\Cult leaders brainwash people into believing that if you question THEIR teachings then you are questioning God himself\\

One of them, whose name starts with E, posts to these lists.
---Cluny on 1/14/11


Craig, get it right, I've not accused anyone of not been saved because they do not understand Election. So please, give me a break. You do not know the God of Scripture because you have not studied the nature, character and attributes of God. I know that because you speak as if you haven't. The god you present is not the one from Scripture. He is weak, knows nothing, and man defeat Him day in and day out. What you need is to study the Truth with an open heart and allow the Spirit to reveal Truth to you concerning election because it is found in many places in Scripture. His Sovereignty is also found all over Scripture. It does not mean I'm saying you are not saved. It is saying you have not studied the Word with an open heart.
---Mark_V. on 1/14/11


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Yes Mark. Theres no quicker way to change a God-fearing Christians mind than to convince them that if they dont believe in individual election then they are lost.

Cult leaders brainwash people into believing that if you question THEIR teachings then you are questioning God himself. Some of the tactics you use seem to mimic the great deceivers of our time.

Keep in mind our same LORD who is directly quoted as saying "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked but that he turn from his way and live" and pleads with them "WHY! WHY will you die?" is secretly making it so they CANT repent? That is absolutely absurd!
---CraigA on 1/14/11


Craig, you say I am trying to put fear in others? Are you kidding? Fear in a Christian? My goodness Craig, how far will you take this? It is only an answer I give you to what you said about other books. You do not have to accept it if you don't want to. You can just ignore it. Could be that the Truth I present to you bothers you. It's like when a Christian tries to talk to a none believer about Jesus and they run away. It convicts them in the heart. It was only the Truth but it had an impact. Since I'm here to discuss the Truth. That only the Bible is the Truth, the Word of God. Not any other book.
---Mark_V. on 1/13/11


But this council did not decide which books would be spherical or cubical, either.
---Cluny on 1/11/11

Now Cluny,

As our resident Spellchecker. I have to blame that one on you.

But sometimes when they roll up the scrolls they do become conical. :)
---John on 1/12/11


--You are taking this personal. I believe I answered you kindly and told you why I disagreed.
--

Judging someone as not knowing their own Savior because they disagree with you in an attempt to use fear to change their mind is "kind"? Speaking to someone's as though they are ignorant is "kind"?

Are you serious? Try that at someone's doorstep and see how far it gets you.

I dont want to get in a huge arument because of it, but really leave the petty insults where they belong. This isnt an ego contest.
---CraigA on 1/12/11


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Why John, of course but it comes from my Savior Jesus Christ,

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7:6
---christan on 1/12/11


Craig, I am only disagreeing with you and giving you the reason why. You are taking this personal. I believe I answered you kindly and told you why I disagreed.
Concerning what I said that shocked you,
When God speaks in Scripture it is always true. When men speak it is some times true and sometimes they lie. When the devil speaks in Scripture he lies. Yet all of Scripture is the Truth of God. In Scripture the serpent lied to Eve. That she would not surely die. Abraham lied to the King about his wife, Jacob lied to his father etc. Yet all of it is Truth of God that they lied. The writers wrote what God wanted them to write.
---Mark_V. on 1/12/11


SO....

If we find 1st or 3rd Corinthians. Will they be considered conical?

Especially in the light that they are part of the sequences of letters to Corinth. Paul also refers to them in the letters we do have.

Also we do have 5th Corinthians which was combined with our 2nd Corinthians. It was in the middle of the stack of Papyrus and so mistakenly included within 2nd Corinthian.

Should we separate them? would it then be conical since it was when it was inside 2nd Corinthians???

HMMM???
---John on 1/11/11


CraigA--//Sister, don't you think the responsibility lies upon each of us as children of God to know WHY these books were removed rather than just accepting it as "Gods will" because its what the pastor teaches

No. I don't think of them as "removed" but rather as "not accepted". And it's not just MY pastor who says so!

Those who decided what books comprised the canon made deliberate, thoughtful, prayerful, choices. Am I so learned and holy that I should repeat their work? Nor do I have time.
Extrabiblical literature is often interesting, but any I've read lacks real Power. The Bible has served us well. I believe the Bible is sufficient for salvation and godliness.
---Donna_Smith on 1/11/11


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--You have to understand... -- Mark

Please dont be condescending to me. This is the second time. Can you not have a debate without trying to insult the intelligence and understanding of others?

--Craig, just because the writers of Scripture mention other books does not make the other books biblical.--

All scripture is inspired. When they instruct us towards another book is it against the will of God?

And when men speak of themselves as Paul does he makes sure the readers know that it is HIS opinion rather than instruction from God.
---CraigA on 1/11/11


--What is in the Bible is not always truth. When the devil speaks he speaks lies, yet him speaking lies is Truth that he spoke them.--

Did you really as a Christian just say that? Im so shocked Im almost speechless right now.
---CraigA on 1/11/11


\\Although I am very critical of the Nicea Council. In fact I have posted many of my concerns here.\\

That's because you don't have a clue about what the Nicene council was really about.

\\In all fairness The Nicea Council did not decide on which books would be conical.\\

But this council did not decide which books would be spherical or cubical, either.
---Cluny on 1/11/11


There are some good history books on putting Bible together. The NT was never written as a complete book or designed as a complete book but as a collection of letters to certain people or groups. 1st and 2nd Corinthians was written to the church of Corinth. But 2nd Corinthians is at least the 3rd letter to Corinth by Paul. The second was lost to history. It was not bad just lost. This letter would then be passed around to different churchs until it was put together and divided into chapters and verses as the Bible. Revelation is a letter to seven different churches (mentioned in ch.1 2)in modern day Turkey along a trade route. Remember letters are Paul's and others messages to people but its God's message to you personally.
---Scott on 1/11/11


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Craig, just because the writers of Scripture mention other books does not make the other books biblical. You have to understand that the whole Word of God is God's Word. What is written by the writers is all Truth. What is in the Bible is not always truth. When the devil speaks he speaks lies, yet him speaking lies is Truth that he spoke them. That's how we know He is a liar. Many times the writers use their own feelings, not God's. In Ps. a lot of it are the emotions of David, what he feels. What he wants God to do. He is expressing his feelings. God wanted to include that too in His Word. The writers never say that those books as a whole were biblical. Some could be truth and in other parts not Truth.
---Mark_V. on 1/11/11


What really matters is, were those books?? inspired by the Holy Spirit? Do they reveal teh mind of God, or the mind of Christ?

EVERYTHING that man needs to be saved is complete in scripture.
---kathr4453 on 1/11/11


Why Christan, you're back again. Any last words?
---John on 1/11/11


CraigA,

Although I am very critical of the Nicea Council. In fact I have posted many of my concerns here.
In all fairness The Nicea Council did not decide on which books would be conical.

They were already conical before the Council convined. The council only put their seal of approval on what was already established.
---John on 1/11/11


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chris - "Also, Revelation was not written as part of the Bible, but as its own book and was then later put at the end of the Bible."

Really? There's a similar pattern when God's words were contradicted just as you have contradicted in the above statement you made.

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Genesis 2:16,17

"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." Genesis 3:4,5
---christan on 1/11/11


Mark, I think its possible you arent following the conversation closely.

These missing books are mentioned IN scripture. As though to save time the authors of certain books have directed us to other sources to complete his message. Would God allow these men to lead us to what we now consider ""extrabiblical literature" if it wasnt a part of His will?
All scripture is inspired correct?

They are saying "I could write about these things here but it would be simpler if you go read them for yourself in THIS (named) book"
---CraigA on 1/10/11


Can we quit with the Revelation scripture. It is a close duplicate of the Deut. scripture also cited.

Also, Revelation was not written as part of the Bible, but as its own book and was then later put at the end of the Bible. So John's statement was not about the Bible, but about the book of Revelation.

Most scholars agree that chronologically, it was not even the last book written in the Bible, so that also nullifies the extremist meaning applied by some on this blog.
---chris on 1/10/11


MarkV, The mocking is based on this Judgemental post from Christan. NOT on the missing books.
==========================================================
"Please show Scriptural evidence that you claim the Scripture "mentions several other books that are not contained in it.""

You are providing "your help" not from the Holy Bible but from outside of the Word... which I must tell you is no help at all. I warn you of what you doing with Scripture,

"If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." Revelation 22:18
---christan on 1/7/11
---John on 1/10/11


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--But for some reason they, or their message, didn't survive to be approved as part of the canon.--

Sister, dont you think the responsibility lies upon each of us as children of God to know WHY these books were removed rather than just accepting it as "Gods will" because its what the pastor teaches?
---CraigA on 1/10/11


John/Craig, many thousands of books might have been written since life begin, what does that have to do with anything? I do not see what both of your points and mocking do for anyone. They are not Scripture. They did not have the authorative earmarks to qualify. They are useless. I'm sure many other people in this times have wrote a lot of books, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses what good are they?
---Mark_V. on 1/10/11


"If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." Revelation 22:18
---christan on 1/7/11

Christian you have the zeal...but, are speaking before you research a matter. Love your passion...if you would just provide the witnesses. One verse and your "holy" opinion equals....opinion.
Don't be so touchy.
We/You don't know everything an might see a precept upon a precept....as we from you.
Scriptural witnesses 2 or more will edify or deal with those obverse to GOD and scripture /prophets/apostles/Christ.
---Trav on 1/10/11


\\Can you preach us a sermon about "UNRIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT"?\\

You give unrighteous judgement all the time, John.

**How men discovered what God had determined was by looking for the 'earmarks of inspiration," which are,
1 Authoritative
2. prophet
3. authentic
4. dynamic
5. and accepted nature of the books.**

Rather subjective.

All you're saying is, "They are accepted because they are accepted."
---Cluny on 1/9/11


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CraigA-- The Bible doesn't say we SHOULD read these. In some cases it suggests the reader might be familiar with some of them (quite probable with the epistle's of Paul mentioned). But for some reason they, or their message, didn't survive to be approved as part of the canon.
---Donna66 on 1/10/11


KNOCK! KNOCK!
Hey Christan!!! Are you home?

Can you preach us a sermon about "UNRIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT"?
---John on 1/9/11


Doesnt anyone find it a bit ironic that the books that were agreed upon to be left as Gods word make reference to books that are missing?

Why make a defense against what scripture says we should be reading?
---CraigA on 1/9/11


Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you,neither shall ye diminish ought from it.that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your GOD which I command you.
---richard_C on 1/9/11


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He must be reading the WCF to see if Calvins beliefs say anything about it...

Give him a couple days
---Dueane on 1/9/11


There were many books that were written, but none of the others had the credentials they needed to be Cannon. How men discovered what God had determined was by looking for the 'earmarks of inspiration," which are,
1 Authoritative
2. prophet
3. authentic
4. dynamic
5. and accepted nature of the books. That is, it was asked whether the book came in with the Authority of God and was written by a man of God, told the truth about God, man, etc. And whether it came in power of God and was accepted by the people of God. If a book clearly had the first earmark the remainder were often assume. The first three were used explicitly on most books, while the last two were usually applied implicitly only.
---Mark_V. on 1/9/11


WELL CHRISTIAN???
There's the scripture.
Any last words?
---John on 1/8/11


WELL CHRISTAN!
There are the scriptures you asked for!
ANY LAST WORDS????
---John on 1/8/11


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Christan, have you no response? John gave scripture.
---CraigA on 1/9/11


Book of the Covenant
Exodus 24:7, et al.

The Chronicles of the Kings of Media and Persia
Esther 10:2

Book by Samuel
1 Samuel 10:25

Laments for Josiah
2 Chronicles 35:25

Chronicles of King David
1 Chronicles 27:24

NEW TESTAMENT:

Pauls letter to the Laodiceans
Colossians 4:16

Pauls previous Corinthian letter
1 Corinthians 5:9


END OF LIST!
---John on 1/8/11


Acts of Gad the Seer
1 Chronicles 29:29

Acts of Nathan the Prophet
1 Chronicles 29:29

History of Nathan the Prophet
2 Chronicles 9:29

Prophesy of Ahijah the Shilonite
2 Chronicles 9:29

Visions of Iddo the Seer
2 Chronicles 9:29

Acts of Shemaiah the Prophet and Iddo the Seer
2 Chronicles 12:15

Acts of Jehu Son of Hanani
2 Chronicles 20:34

Acts of the Seers
2 Chronicles 33:19

Midrash of the Prophet Iddo
2 Chronicles 13:22

Midrash on the Book of Kings
2 Chronicles 24:27

Book by the prophet Isaiah
2 Chronicles 26:22

Vision of Isaiah the prophet
2 Chronicles 32:32
---John on 1/7/11


Book of the Covenant
Exodus 24:7

Book of the Wars of the Lord
Numbers 21:14

Book of Jasher
Joshua 10:13, 2 Sam 1:18

Book of Samuel the Seer and Nathan the Prophet
1 Chronicles 29:29

Acts of Solomon
1 King 11:41

There are many many which would go over the text limit available in a post here.

Now maybe you wont have to underline text asking for proof.
---CraigA on 1/8/11


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\\"Please show Scriptural evidence that you claim the Scripture "mentions several other books that are not contained in it.""\\

I have already mentioned several such places.
---Cluny on 1/8/11


The Book of the Wars of Yahweh: Numbers 21:14

The Book of Jashar
Joshua 10:12-13,
2 Samuel 1:19-27

The Chronicles of the Kings of Judah
1 Kings 14:29, et al.

The Chronicles of the Kings of Israel
1 Kings 14:19, et al.

The Acts of Solomon
1 Kings 11:41

Book of the Kings of Israel
1 Chronicles 9:1-2,
2 Chronicles 20:34

Book of the Kings of Judah and Israel
2 Chronicles 16:11, et al.

Book of the Kings of Israel and Judah
2 Chronicles 27:7, et al.

Acts of the Kings of Israel
2 Chronicles 33:18

Acts of Samuel the Seer
1 Chronicles 29:29
---John on 1/7/11


John, "I'll help you... HERE THEY ARE.... We are missing 1st, 3rd and 5th Corinthians. We have 2nd and 3rd (Labeled, 1st, 2nd)"

And this is mentioned in the Holy Bible? You obviously do not understand my question. Let say it once again, "Please show Scriptural evidence that you claim the Scripture "mentions several other books that are not contained in it.""

You are providing "your help" not from the Holy Bible but from outside of the Word... which I must tell you is no help at all. I warn you of what you doing with Scripture,

"If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." Revelation 22:18
---christan on 1/7/11


\\he warns us not to take away from or add to the words therein.\\

CraigA, that verse is talking about the Book of Revelation, NOT the Bible itself.

John wrote his Gospel and letters AFTER Revelation was written.
---Cluny on 1/7/11


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No, I can name or refer to the "Iliad by Homer" and even site a quote from the Iliad on this site, but that does not mean that the Iliad by Homer ever was a part of this site, nor that it was contained on this site and then later removed by some council. The old testament books are the same books accepted since their writing by God's people, and the New Testament books are the same books accepted since their writing by God's people.
---Eloy on 1/7/11


My reason for asking is although I believe the Bible is Gods word, he warns us not to take away from or add to the words therein. Which to me tells me he doesnt STOP those things from happening. He just issues us a warning which some men did not pay much attention to it seems.

What does that say for the "total" sovereignty of God?

Im starting to wondre if some of the books that were taken out didnt give us insight to the end times and the delusion that will come upon the lost world. Enoch has always led me to believe that those things we call "aliens" might be nothing more than offspring of a cursed union that never should have taken place (Gen 6)
---CraigA on 1/7/11


\\Laodicean was mistitled Esphesians. \\

That's debatable.

The Prayer of Manasseh is included in the Orthodox canon of scripture and is used in Great Compline.
---Cluny on 1/7/11


I guess we 'May' never know!
---Carla on 1/7/11


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John ... It would eb helpful if you told us where in the bible these other books are mentioned.

And please there is no need to SHOUT
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/7/11


Well Done John :)
---kevin5443 on 1/6/11


Chrisitan they are reffering to book of John 20:30 & 21:25.
---Candice on 1/6/11


The Bible is a compilation of books. I'm not sure that we can conclusively ascertain what if any books should be included and what if any books should be excluded. Just because several other "books" are mentioned in the Bible doesn't mean they were meant to be included, but then again, I don't know of anywhere in the Bible what books are meant to be included and which ones are not to be included.
---chris on 1/6/11


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christan:

Col 4:16, St. Paul refers to one he wrote to Laodicea, and asks his hearers to swap letters with them.

There are some who say that what we know as 1 & 2 Corinthians were not the only letters he wrote to them.

Jude refers to writings of Enoch (NOT the same as the Torah). Matthew quotes a lost prophecy about Jesus "being called a Nazarene".

And then the OT refers to the Book/s of Jashar and the Acts of the Kings (NOT the same as 1 & 2 Kings).

If these and other writings have not been preserved, obviously they aren't necessary.
---Cluny on 1/6/11


Please show Scriptural evidence that you claim the Scripture "mentions several other books that are not contained in it."
---christan

CraigA, I'll help you...

HERE THEY ARE....

We are missing 1st, 3rd and 5th Corinthians.
We have 2nd and 3rd (Labeled, 1st, 2nd)

One letter of John

Laodicean was mistitled Esphesians.

Refered in the OT by name...

THE BOOK OF JASHER (x2)

THE BOOK OF THE ACTS OF SOLOMON

THE BOOK OF NATHAN THE PROPHET (x2)

THE BOOK OF GAD THE SEER

THE BOOK OF SHEMAIAH THE PROPHET

THE VISIONS OF IDDO THE SEER (x3)

THE PROPHECY OF AHIJAH

THE BOOK OF JEHU

THE SAYINGS OF THE SEERS (ACTS AND PRAYER OF MANASSEH)
---John on 1/6/11


The Holy Synod of Nicea, held in 325AD, had NOTHING to do with the canonization of the Bible. The Council dealt with the heretical teachings of Arianism.

Where did you got the idea that the topic of which books belong in the Bible was discuss in this Synod?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/6/11


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