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Should Churches Be Taxed

Is it Biblical for USA churches to not pay taxes like the rest of us have to? Do you think that USA churches should be taxed?

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Mike-- This is not really the blog to discuss it. BP's earnings have plummeted. Both of these companies face huge (but undetermined) legal expenses, they must retain enough to pay. Also both make a significant share of profits outside the U.S. They can keep the cash overseas or bring the profits home at a cost of up to 35 cents tax on every dollar repatriated. This one tax the GOP would like to lower.
---Donna66 on 1/18/11


CITi bank just posted $1.4 BILLION in profits

BP profits were $5.6 BILLION

then GOP wants to give them more tax cuts?

where are the jobs?
---mike on 1/18/11


Nurse do you remember the free services that phone companies offered. Now a company owns the lines and everyone else has to pay an access fee to them. That is just a couple of things. But I don't want to confuse you with facts.
Ask some of the Gen Practice Doctors about the pen/advertizing issue. While you are at it ask them about the wonderful health care also,
But now tell us about the "loop holes" the Churches use.
---Elder on 1/17/11


Pens are nothing. But there are free dinners at expensive restaurants with open bar. (I've been to a few of these myself), cruises and weekends in the Bahamas.Could these be taxable?
---Donna66 on 1/17/11


Elder, again, where do you come up with this?

The goverment did not come up with the telephone mess and you have no proof they did.

Where do you get the info that the government taxes the Doctors on "pens from suppliers." Drug companies have been giving things to doctors for years to entice them into prescribing their drugs and these have never been taxed. Again, where is your proof?

Furthermore, you have no clue as to what I want or don't want. The government should not be taxing churches, but they need to close loopholes in what the churches try to claim.

---NurseRobert on 1/17/11




Sag when people take the time to think about the mess the country is in they come to the same conclusion that you did.
When we make excuses and cover up the mistakes that out elected officials continue to make they take that as a pat on the back. They begin to think things need to go on as before.
"Wake up America" is more than just a slogan.
Since when did There is wisdom in a multitude of council give way to one or two making the decisions for the multitude? When a loaf of white bread reaches $6.00 and gas is $10.00 maybe more folks will wake up. For years gold was valued at $33.00 an ounce now it is well over $1000.00.
And ... there are some who still think everything is fine.
---Elder on 1/17/11


Nurse like I said it was the government who murdered Jesus.
Do you really think multi million dollar companies would try to bribe a doctor with a pen. Maybe you are that cheap but it was all advertizing. Again the government created the telephone mess and other things.
Our government is out of control with spending, taxing, wasting and lying. And people like you want it to continue on with no accountability. Now take from the churches to give em more so they can waste more, yea that really works huh?
---Elder on 1/16/11


Nurse Robert-- My post wasn't based on logic, but on conditions as I see them. I guess it was mostly a statement of the reasons we still need separation of church and state.

Does the government regulate what I do? Yes, as much as they can! They would like to regulate every aspect of every business I deal with, telling them what service or product they can supply, for what price, and under what conditions. It's come to the point that it is illegal for ordinary people to distribute homemade food to the homeless in Houston without a license and a commercial health inspected kitchen.
Sometimes I look at the money made and mispent by some mega churches and I wish they were taxed. But I agree with elder. No good can come of it.
---Donna66 on 1/16/11


The US telephone system and Pro trucking got messed up when Uncle Sam stepped in also. The gov will destroy the churches.

Wasn't it the government that murdered Jesus?

---Elder on 1/16/11

You just "stepped on my toes". Ouch!

The Federal debt level is now more than $14 TRILLION. Ouchy Ouch!!

Looks like: Federal spending needs to DECREASE, Taxes need to INCREASE, or some combination of both.

Otherwise, the entire USA could be destroyed. Not just the churches. It looks more-and-more like only Jesus Christ's return can save the USA now.

Yes, the Roman government was responsible for Jesus Christ's murder.
---Sag on 1/16/11


Where did you come up with this, Elder? Ive never worked for a doctor who got so many pens from "suppliers" they had to be taxed. They got them from drug companies or medical equipment manufacturers (who write them off their taxes) trying to bribe doctors in to using their equipment or prescribe their drugs, and they never got more than a few pens. And yes, they still give them out.

Second of all, the telephone company was fine until the government deregulated it. That's when it got screwed up.

And I believe it was the local church leaders who got the government to crucify Jesus.
---NurseRobert on 1/16/11




lamar_tucker, yhe basic thoughts that you posted have no scriptial basis whatsoever. I always wonder where people come up with stuff like this.
Everthing the government touches suffers. The founding fathers knew this.
Doctors don't receive pens from suppliers any longer because the gov says they must pay taxes on them as gifts. Does anyone think it would be different when someone needs food, clothes or maybe a bible from the church?
The US telephone system and Pro trucking got messed up when Uncle Sam stepped in also.
The gov will destroy the churches. Wasn't it the government that murdered Jesus?
---Elder on 1/16/11


Jesus sets the example for us, he paid taxes for his Church, and taught them to render unto Cesar that which belonged to Cesar, a Corporate=666 Church set up to avoid taxes, would offend the State if they speak out against it, they avoid taxes to buy, sell, and trade, they receive a mark=666
---lamar_tucker on 1/15/11


\\I can only speak for myself. Churches are Businesses. I believe that For-Profit and Non-Profit businesses should ALL be treated the same.\\

Aside from the fact that churches are not business, what part of their money should be taxed?
---Cluny on 1/15/11


James-- Strange, but true: Experience has shown that when taxes are cut government revenues actually INCREASE.
(I suppose that is because people have more money to spend and/or invest, thus more money is made on which to pay taxes.)

In any case, with or without tax cuts, government MUST (not should) MUST cut spending. Our debt vs GDP is nearly that of Greece. Politicians have got to quit promising people the moon just to get elected.
Sure a lot of people need a lot of things, it would be nice to give them these things. But the money is not there!The government doesn't have enough, even the "rich" don't have enough to do everything the government promises.
---Donna66 on 1/15/11


The REAL CONCERN is that, as Gary points out, when the church pays taxes to the government, what influence will the government have over the church!

---Donna66 on 1/12/11

Donna, your logic eludes me. Just how is one related to the other? You pay taxes to the government. Do they regulate what YOU do?
---NurseRobert on 1/15/11


Donna, Mike: The problem with tax cuts is that we pay for them by borrowing money from godless governments (which do persecute Christians).

While tax cuts may be useful, to cut tax you must also cut spending. As long as we don't do that, cutting tax is a joke - if the government spends, it must get money - otherwise it's like those people who pay everything from their credit card but don't know how to pay the debt

Sorry, Donna, generally I agree with you
---James on 1/15/11


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When people say "churches should be taxed," what exactly do they mean?
---Cluny on 1/14/11

I can only speak for myself. Churches are Businesses. I believe that For-Profit and Non-Profit businesses should ALL be treated the same.

For-Profit businesses have to pay taxes on: Property, Assets, Earnings, etc. I think that the same should apply to Non-Profits, like Churches, Private Schools and Hospitals, etc. While some might be just breaking even financially, there are others that are earning A LOT and paying NO taxes at all! Meanwhile, government budgets problems are increasing.

Churches should take the LEAD, pay taxes and, if necessary, charge for their services. Just like any other business.
---Augie on 1/15/11


When people say "churches should be taxed," what exactly do they mean?

Tax on their donations?

Worship and educational buildings?

It would help if there were some precision in this.
---Cluny on 1/14/11


mike-- When was the last time you got a job from a poor man? The only time the economy is good and unemployment is low, is when business prospers.
---Donna66 on 1/14/11


Churches should be taxed only if so far as they enter into the commercial market such as investing in the stock market, or land or in trades that would be competitive to others in the marketplace.
---leej on 1/14/11


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\\If churches don't wish to pay taxes, they shouldn't incorporate under federal and state laws. They should keep separate from the government\\

Not all churches are corporations.
---Cluny on 1/14/11


mike:

While technically it's all God's money (and, by extension EVERYTHING belongs to God), that isnt' an excuse to invoke the idea that "God's people are better stewards of God's money than a godless government is, so we shouldn't pay taxes".

Jesus took a coin, said "Render what is Caesar unto Caesar's, and unto God what is God's", and used it to pay a tax to Rome. And remember, Rome was MUCH more godless and corrupt than the United States was - using state funds to finance pagan temples, persecute Christians, slaughter Jews, and many other things.
---StrongAxe on 1/14/11


donna66

there are people who belive that tax cuts (FOR THE RICH)trickle down economy - will create jobs. they don't want to admit that it is not about creating job but wanting to have more money. tax cut = job creation is just a politican's tricks.
---mike on 1/14/11


mike.. \\Businesses are for profit// Naturally, and what other reason is there?
Jobs are scarce just now, so no matter how unpleasant the job,nobody wants to quit and risk being unemployed.

The job is certainly done better when employees are not overworked. Many companies are now waiting to see what Obama care will cost them. That may make a huge difference in how many they hire.

mima-- Can you name one government, ever, where your upside down Keynesian theory of economics has increased prosperity?
What's bad for business is bad for everybody.
---Donna66 on 1/14/11


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The government does have a right to eliminate all charitable deductions to a church on both personal and business tax returns.

The government does have a right to eliminate the tax-free housing allowance that so many pastors abuse.

If churches don't wish to pay taxes, they shouldn't incorporate under federal and state laws. They should keep separate from the government.
---Gary on 1/13/11


Elder is correct of course, people who attend churches are taxed and so the church is actually taxed in absentia. To add Sanctuarys and Synagogues to the tax rolls violates the separation of church and state the wild-eyed secularists are always screaming about.
Jefferson as we know was promising Baptists that the Feds would leave them alone but Pagans have turned the original meaning of his letter on its head.
---larry on 1/13/11


business are for profit. they want less expense & employees are expense that is why restructuring means to give more work with less people. one employee is doing 3 jobs & when you say something they will say 'if you don't like the job look for another one'.

tax cuts create jobs? they play tricks on you. it is actually tax cuts for the rich.
---mike on 1/13/11


we have gas tax that gave me employment with Public works. and it is a good paying job unlike private business who are greedy. starting pay is minimum wage which does not cover everything.
doesn't america have a sign YOU TAX DOLLARS AT WORK
---mike on 1/13/11


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Money unlike water flows uphill. So the "trickle-down" theory cannot work in economics. Of course Mr. Reagan plus many economists do not understand this. What is good for business is not necessarily good for the country as a whole.
---mima on 1/13/11


So, if it is God's money, we churches are not scripturally obligated to gave God's money to the government.

well doesn't pastors drive their luxury cars on road & cross bridges that is paid by taxpayers? i partially own the weapons in this country bec. I pay my taxes.
---mike on 1/13/11


James L, you claim that 25 families earning 16k a year is still not enough to pay for the street. Was this street redone every year? The taxes were collected for years. Money also comes from the federal government not just local. This is not my first day on the block either.
I know of owner maintained roads that stay in better condition than anything the local governments do.
Donna we are talking about the NT Church.
StrongAx if lower taxes didn't work E I Dupont, in our area, would not have threatened to move if they were annexed into a higher tax area.
A Gov issued licence is a form of taxation also.
---Elder on 1/13/11


Jesus says give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's. So, if it is God's money, we churches are not scripturally obligated to gave God's money to the government.
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/13/11

It is extremely important to realize that the Temple shekel had only images of Temple items and Hebrew both Holy. Roman currency was not allowed because it had the image of Caesar on it along with a Roman superscription in a pagan language.

This must also apply to our own currency. It has images of our presidents, images of buildings, images of animals and images of our nature. Shocking as it is, our money does not qualify to be used as gifts to God or the OT Temple!
---Gary on 1/13/11


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It is unlawful to tax charity organizations, and a Christian church operates on charity and through anonymous donation-giving to the poor, and not by nonbelievers worldly regulations. For example, one service a church may gather $1.00 in order to distribute to the needy, and on another service a church may gather $1,000,000,000. in order to distribute to the needy, none of this can be regulated by the world's dealings, just as the government cannot also regulate any healing or resurrection performed free of charge to one receiving from God.
---Eloy on 1/13/11


If they overstep their boundaries and start endorsing political candidates or forcing members to vote for one party or another then yes they should lose their tax exempt status. Why should churches have any more rights than a political action committee or union - both of which are not tax exempt as far as member donations go?
---obewan on 1/13/11


Trickle down" economics always works. It is the foundation of the free enterprise system. Depends on what you mean by "works", if you like it or not. Companies only "get rich" by investing money...in expansion, hiring new employees, creating new and better products etc. They rarely sit on their money (as they are now). And they certainly didn't during Reagan's time.

What doesn't work is "trickle up" economics. It defies the laws of gravity and economics. Our economy has never grown from the bottom up, nor has anyone else's.
---Donna66 on 1/13/11


NO,but they should do the job God called them to do.If they fed the poor,cared for the sick and widows etc.There would be NO NEED for welfare
---shirley on 1/13/11


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Elder...Yep! I am always glad to have someone splain things to me cause I can't figure things out for myself. Praise the Lord we have a very good accountant who takes care of our taxes and sees that they are done legally.
---KarenD on 1/13/11


Reagan's "trickle-down economics" failed, because while the plan was to pour water into the system at the top, and encourage businesses to let it trickle on down, instead buinesses at the top were getting rich by keeping the money for themselves.
---StrongAxe on 1/13/11

This seems to be happening with many churches and minitries too. For example, some popular Televangelists.

Many of the Leaders are rich, and have many assets, yet the IRS has found them guilty of tax evasion.

How does this glorify GOD?

I'm confused to the max!
---Sag on 1/13/11


Elder:

While that is the theory, sadly it doesn't always happen that way. Reagan's "trickle-down economics" failed, because while the plan was to pour water into the system at the top, and encourage businesses to let it trickle on down, instead buinesses at the top were getting rich by keeping the money for themselves.
---StrongAxe on 1/13/11


I think it would be an interesting social experiment to tax only the churches, not to directly tax any citizens, and see how much money the churches got, then!

Jesus says give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's. So, if it is God's money, we churches are not scripturally obligated to gave God's money to the government.

But we should be using money for more and better good, than the government would use it, so that what we do will be appreciated by secular authorities (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/13/11


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Sag budget problems are not there because of low taxes. Low taxes create more buisness that result in more tax income. That is why people from other countries come here to start a buisness.
Wasteing tax money is the problem. One org in Va. would buy items and throw/give them away just so they could get the same amount or more money the next year.
Taxing churches will not help those problems. Taxing churches will just put some good ministries out of buisness.
KarenD being this is the first time we have dealt with taxes arn't you glad we got Gary?
---Elder on 1/12/11


The question has nothing to do with the taxes that INDIVIDUALS pay. It questions whether CHURCHES should be taxed?
If churches are to be taxed, individual contributers would get no exemptions for the donations they make... but this is NOT the most important issue! (the NT church surely wasn't tax exempt.)

The REAL CONCERN is that, as Gary points out, when the church pays taxes to the government, what influence will the government have over the church!

Can the government tell the church that, for instance, it cannot insist that only "born again Christians" join? That might be Religious Discrimination!
Can it require only "politically correct" language be used in church.?
See the problem?
---Donna66 on 1/12/11


\\tell me when you have seen the government tax anything that solved any problems.\\
---Elder on 1/12/11

A portion of property taxes is allocated for street repairs. I remember, as a kid, our street was repaved at "no cost" except tax money. Imagine 25 families with a collective income of $400K annually trying to come up with $250K for street repair.

Contrast that with when our sidewalks were replaced. Not from tax money, but a repair bill from the city of about $3500 per house.

If it wasn't paid the city would take the house. Taxing everyone in the city allows everyone to pitch in 2 dollars at a time. Big problem solved
---James_L on 1/12/11


\\Considering the reign of her predecessor (who earned the nickname "Bloody Mary" as a result of the bloody attempts to oust Anglicanism and re-instate Catholicism by force of arms), eliminating such seditous elements \\

The name "Bloody Mary" is associated with the Black Legend.

There were actually more Roman Catholics executed under Elizabeth than Protestants under Mary.
---Cluny on 1/12/11


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Elder:

You said: Sag tell me when you have seen the government tax anything that solved any problems.

We live in a society with complex infrastructure that allows us better lives than living in caves and eating nuts and berries. This means need roads for trucks to bring us food, electricity for refrigeration and manufacturing (and internet), law enforcement, armies to fend off invaders, etc. Such infrastructure costs a lot to put into place before it can see any use (let alone a dime of profit) so nobody but the government (or someone subsidized by the government) could afford to do it. Someone has to fund the government to pay for all that, that is done by taxation.
---StrongAxe on 1/12/11


KarenD and Elder,

Neither one of you seem to understand how the income tax laws work.

Individuals can deduct UP TO 50% of their income with charitable contributions. This means that NONE OF YOUR CONTRIBUTION, up to 50% of your income, is taxed. I didn't say the government gives you back your contribution. The money is tax free as long as you itemize your deductions. Businesses can also deduct charitable contributions from their income. NO TAX ON THAT INCOME. PERIOD.
---Gary on 1/12/11


Sag tell me when you have seen the government tax anything that solved any problems.
---Elder on 1/12/11

Well, I don't have any good examples of where HIGHER levels of taxation solved some problems.

However, I do know that LOWER levels of taxation have resulted in the Federal government, and many State governments too, having budget problems.

A National Sales tax, and the elimination of the Income tax, might be a better taxation system. However, we won't really know until we give it a try.


---Sag on 1/12/11


Sag tell me when you have seen the government tax anything that solved any problems. How about all the able work bodies on welfare? The government taxes more, spends more and stays in the same rut. Then they bring in the gambling programs and offer pie in the sky. Look at the "odds" posted. Nine people have to loose so one can "win" one dollar.
Those of you who think people can deduct their gifts must not give that much or none at all. You can deduct a percentage. We have never been able to deduct all we give.
Maybe the churches need to charge an entry fee. But, still, that wouldn't affect some of you.
---Elder on 1/12/11


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gary...I was referring to individuals who are taxed with both state and federal income tax. Personally, even after we take the income tax deduction for giving we still pay on April 15th. Businesses also pay a lot of business taxes throughout the year.
---KarenD on 1/12/11


Cluny:

Considering the reign of her predecessor (who earned the nickname "Bloody Mary" as a result of the bloody attempts to oust Anglicanism and re-instate Catholicism by force of arms), eliminating such seditous elements before they could regroup and try it again were necessary to prevent religious civil war.

Besides, with England being assailed by Spain, the last thing it could afford at that time was civil war.
---StrongAxe on 1/12/11


Apostle Paul said this in Actes 25:10-11

10 Then said Paul, I stand at Cesars iudgement seat, where I oght to be iudged: to the Iewes I haue done no wrong, as thou very well knowest.

11 For if I haue done wrong, or committed any thing worthie of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof they accuse me, no man can deliuer me to them: I appeale vnto Cesar.

The fact is, Apostle Paul did say "For if I haue done wrong, or committed anie thing worthie of death, I refuse not to die:"

Gods Law is sharp.
---Kev on 1/12/11


\\While I in part agree much of the protestant reformation came as a result of persecution and was a peaceful spiritual movement.\\

Is that why the Protestant Queen Elizabeth killed Roman Catholics--because she held to a peaceful spiritual movement?

Is that why dissenters in Protestant areas of the Continent were persecuted?

Is that why Lutheran areas of Germany went to war against the Anabaptists?
---Cluny on 1/11/11


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zaccheus the TAX COLLECTOR said 'i will give half of my possessions to the poor and if I HAVE CHEATED ANYBODY OUT OF ANYTHING I WILL PAY BACK 4 TIMES bec 'salvation has come to this house'

if these pastors & televangelist are really saved, then salvation is more important than money. but there are those who are rich justifying their greed.
---mike on 1/11/11


WHY would any church want to put itself under federal, state, and local laws? But that is exactly what they do when they register with the IRS and state and local authorities. They get their tax exemption status which places them under the jurisdiction of federal, state, and local laws.

Now they have put themselves under man-made laws. They have opened the door to be regulated by federal, state, and local government. AND THEY SHOULD BE with all the fraud and dishonesty going on in the church today.
---Gary on 1/11/11


Also, the tyrranical reign of post-reformation Protestant churches against Catholics an dissenters was little different than the tyrranical reign of the Catholic church
---StrongAxe on 1/10/11

While I in part agree much of the protestant reformation came as a result of persecution and was a peaceful spiritual movement. In any group right or wrong there will always be zealots who take things to far. This however should not put blinders on one's eyes as to the true nature of that movement. The simple fact is the movement of the Papacy is to exercise the place of God on earth, and Jesus himself came saying "my kingdom is not of this world." Despite all the wrong that's been committed One shed it's blood to exist.
---Pharisee on 1/11/11


There is not a dime that comes into the church where we pastor that has not been taxed before it was donated.
---KarenD on 1/10/11

Explain this, Karen. Individuals who donate can take a deduction on their tax return resulting in no income tax being paid on the donations. Same for businesses.
---Gary on 1/10/11


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Cluny:

While that's true, corporate big shots (and this includes rich and powerful televangelists) know better than to waste their own personal (and taxable) salaries on jets when it's much cheaper to have their companies (i.e. ministries) buy them and own them as tax-deductable corporate items.

Also, the tyrranical reign of post-reformation Protestant churches against Catholics an dissenters was little different than the tyrranical reign of the Catholic church against Protestants, dissenters, heretics, pagans, atheists, etc. Both Calvin and Torquemada killed people for what they dared to believe.
---StrongAxe on 1/10/11


The Federal government is deeply in debt. Most of the States are in the RED and running record budget deficits. The problem "trickles down" to Cities too.

Many of these Governments complain about the LOST property tax revenue because of churches' tax-exempt status. As churches expand -- tax free -- more valuable land is removed from the tax rolls.

I think that some cash-strapped areas may soon be forced to charge churches property taxes. This revenue source could help solve many budget problems.

Taxing churches' property is only fair game as I see things. :<)
---Sag on 1/10/11


I think the churches should be regulated in some way. All of the money going to one or two people, does not seem fair either. The people support the churches but dare not speak up and have a say so. Some parishioners cannot question anyone in authority at the church. God forbid if you say something about the pastor.
---Robyn on 1/10/11


Churches and church employees should neither be treated better or worse than anyone else. If the fire department and law enforcement are paid for by property taxes and if the church is going to use these services, then it should pay for them equally with others. Legitimate services that the government renders for the church should be paid for by the church, just as churches pay for their utilities.
---chris on 1/10/11


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For those who think the Churches should be taxed more than they are should think some more.
Churches don't charge for their services. Free food, counseling, clothes, transportation, burials, sick visits, day care and so on are just a few of the "free" things.
There are some churches that take. Most of them give and give. Take from them and they will have to cut the ministries.
If anyone thinks there should be more takes paid then donate more to your friendly tax office. I'm sure you don't give that much to the churches anyway.
---Elder on 1/10/11


There is not a dime that comes into the church where we pastor that has not been taxed before it was donated.
---KarenD on 1/10/11


Augie,

Many churches prefer not to be a 501C status, but rather pay taxes.

These are termed "Free Churches". Since by paying taxes etc. It allows them to do as they please(Free).

For instance they can donate and get involved in political causes.
The can also have secular events and so on.
---John on 1/10/11


Gary: Thanks for the update on tax laws.

Lynn: \\Our founding fathers who designed the Constitution had in mind to keep the State separate from the Church to avoid the circumstances that developed during the tyrannical reign of the Roman Church during the Dark Ages.\\

Don't forget the tyrannical reign of established state Protestant churches over both Catholics and dissenters during the post-reformation period.
---Cluny on 1/10/11


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I think the time is coming when churches will be taxed.

Sen. Charles Grassley (D:IA) concluded a report on 6 Christian ministries Thursday asking the ECFA to form a commission to address 8 key concerns noted in the report.

The report summarized findings from a Senate investigation that started 3 years ago on the spending of Joyce Meyer Ministries, Benny Hinn's World Healing Center Church, Creflo Dollar's World Changers Church International, Eddie Long's New Birth Missionary Baptist Church, Kenneth Copeland Ministries, and Without Walls International Church formerly pastored by both Randy and Paula White.

The last time the tax exempt laws were reviewed was in 1987 during the Jimmy and Tammy Bakker scandal.
---robertj on 1/10/11


\\the pastors & televangelist who can buy multi million homes, luxury cars, & jets should be taxed.\\

They do pay taxes on their SALARIES.
---Cluny on 1/10/11


the pastors & televangelist who can buy multi million homes, luxury cars, & jets should be taxed.

Luke 20:25 give to caesar what belongs to cesar & give to god what belongs to god.


---mike on 1/10/11


Why? This is one of the "perks" that is still given by the government. But don't worry, they will get to the churches before it's over. Actually, I'm surprised they haven't already taxed churches.
---wivv on 1/10/11


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\\For the mega churches, Yes.
---Lawrence on 1/10/11\\

And just what about a megachurch should be taxed?

And how big should a church be to be taxed as a megachurch?

(I bet you'd bell like a beagle should your church be big enough to be so taxed.)
---Cluny on 1/10/11


Because of the abuses in this area I have come to believe that the churches should be taxed. A program of taxation for the churches would necessarily an inevitably allow close scrutiny of the way the money is handled.
---mima on 1/10/11


Jesus said, "Render to Caesar those things that are Caesar's and to God those that are God's" (Matt. 22:21) It would mean a change in our Constitution to tax the Churches. Our founding fathers who designed the Constitution had in mind to keep the State separate from the Church to avoid the circumstances that developed during the tyrannical reign of the Roman Church during the Dark Ages. They recognized that the Church fosters law-abiding citizens and peace and they play an important role in securing the favor of God for the nation. Hence tax-exempt status for property used for religious purposes.
---Lynn on 1/10/11


Since ... we are already taxed, that would be paying a DOUBLE tax.

Finally, pastors must pay tax on fair market value of the rent of the parsonage.
---Cluny on 1/9/11

From IRS Pub. 417: "The gross income of a licensed, commissioned or ordained minister does not include the fair rental value of a home (a parsonage provided), or a housing allowance paid, as part of the minister's compensation for services performed that are ordinarily the duties of the minister."

Furthermore, those of us that itemize our deductions get to DEDUCT our contributions, thus, we don't pay tax on what we give nor does the church.

I know pastors who take it all in a housing allowance and no salary, thus, all tax free.
---Gary on 1/10/11


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Since churches are made up of "us", and we are already taxed, that would be paying a DOUBLE tax.

Or are you laboring under the misapprehension that clergy don't have to pay SS or income taxes?

They do.

Furthermore, any real property a church owns that is NOT directly related to religious or educational purposes must pay appropriate taxes.

Finally, pastors must pay tax on fair market value of the rent of the parsonage or other residence.
---Cluny on 1/9/11


This has been asked time and again. The answer is still the same. US Churches are taxed. Personal income taxes, sales tax, use taxes, tax in the form of permits, vehicle and licence taxes, utility and fuel taxes, taxes to incorporate and build. Need we say more.
Every person who gives to the churches are taxed one way or another on their gifts.
One person is taxed on money earned and some people want the government to tax it again when it is given away.
The question that needs to be asked is doesn't the government take and waste enough already?
---Elder on 1/10/11


For the mega churches, Yes.
---Lawrence on 1/10/11


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