Cluny: I don't see anything Donna said about the Nicene being unbiblical
I alwways wonder about whether they overstated the 'one baptism for REMISSION of sins', but that is another question
---Peter on 2/1/11|
\\Yes, I believe we can. These are not Scripture, but a synthesis of the most important truths of the Bible (or at least what those who subscribe to the Creed, believe to be truths of the Bible).\\
What is unbiblical in the Nicene Creed, Donna?
---Cluny on 1/24/11|
The Creed (Nicene, which is the oldest one we have) was written to ensure that no-one in the church was preaching a 'false gospel'
In those days, the NT had not been defined, but was still several different books, which some churches accepted and others [probably] did not even know about
So it was decided to set out what all Christians believed, which was the Nicene
---Peter on 1/24/11|
Historically, the Creed (Nicene, that is) is actually OLDER than the NT (Council of Nicea AD 325, Council of Carthage, to finally decide what goes in the NT, AD387)
So the Council of Carthage USED the Nicene creed to make sure the books to be selected for the NT were genuine - after all, God did not just throw them down from Heaven
---Steve on 1/22/11|
Yes, I believe we can. These are not Scripture, but a synthesis of the most important truths of the Bible (or at least what those who subscribe to the Creed, believe to be truths of the Bible). They may be more detailed than a "doctrinal statement"
Some churches read or recite sections of them routinely. It serves to remind people what the church believes. Reading a creed or confession is a quick way to identify the controversial doctrines, that one otherwise might have to attend a church for years to uncover.
---Donna66 on 1/16/11|
As the church historian Philip Shcaff said, creeds are NOT the Word of God--nobody ever said that they were--but are are responses to that Word.
As It is written, "I believed, and therefore I spoke."
---Cluny on 1/14/11|
The confessiana are interesting reading. Like the Apocryphas or the Psueudographicas. They are only good for references. Some are taken with a grain of salt.
As for creeds. There is only one creed....
---John on 1/13/11|
Isn't the Holy Bible sufficient that one need to create creeds and various confessions?
Remember, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16,17
It is the Spirit of God who will convict, bring him to all Truth and comfort the Christian. It's an eternal promise from God.
"God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord." 1 Corinthians 1:9. "But the Lord is faithful, who will establish you and guard you from the evil one." 2 Thessalonians 3:3
---christan on 1/13/11|
We often hear the cry "no creed but Christ" but the great creeds of the church really represent the consensus of many of what they plainly saw as the great truths of Scripture.
In other words, Creeds are based totally upon what is found in either explicitly or implicitly in scripture.
Howbeit, we do not go to the creeds to see if the Bible is true, we go to the Bible itself to see if the creeds are true.
Creeds like the Apostles or Nicene creed are, in a nutshell, what we basically beleive as a church
---leej on 1/12/11|
Yes, we do.
In the classical ecumenical creeds, we learn the pattern for "orthotomai"--correctly cutting, or as KJV puts it, rightly dividing the Word of truth.
---Cluny on 1/11/11|
Church bylaws & creeds are not important as far as puttnig them on the same level with Gods word. His word, the sciptures come first. So no creeds aren't as important.
---candice on 1/11/11|
As a former Methodist who is now a Southern Baptist here is my view. I miss the Apostle's creed. If a person really looks in detail as to what this creed states, they have all the important things concerning salvation. The problem is that with most creeds, people say them by habit without understanding the meaning. Another positive effect of a creedis they can also help establish an attitude of worship - if done correctly.
---wivv on 1/11/11|
As a person who was raised in a Methodist church, (but now a Baptist), I enjoyed the Apostle's creed. If a person really comprehends what the various creeds state, it has to be useful. If nothing else, it sets the mood for worship, in my opinion. The downside is too many people just say them as a matter of rote and don't really pay any attention to the message in the creed.
---wivv on 1/11/11|