Explain Ephesians 4:8
Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
OK these people were NOT IN PARADISE or in HADES, they were in the GRAVE thus said the lord, and were let out by Jesus
---francis on 3/28/11|
Abraham and Lazarus were on the Paradise side.the lost rich man was on the torment side. Jesus implied in that analogy with Jonah, that He went down to the Paradise side during His 3 days and nights after His crucifixion. from Paradise,as Paul says, He ascended upon high.
Eph 4:9 "(Now that he (Christ) ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?"
where Abraham, Lazarus, and OT saints were waiting for the atoning blood of the Cross so they could enter heaven. they couldn't go into heaven in the presence of God until the atoning blood had been shed. so now with the work of the Cross finished, Christ could take Paradise out the center part of the earth, and take it up into glory.
---michael_e on 3/27/11|
Sorry if this is too much mutual admiration but great points on this blog LEON!
---Legends on 3/2/11|
Some good comments here, Pharisee, Mark, Legends, Bill. All Believers (OT & NT) who willingly pay attention to & strive to live daily by God's inspired word, are indeed a captive audience of Jesus.
Prisoners are convicts charged with crimes against God & His creation, & are punished by His delegated authorities. Some prisoners are broken (repent) to the extent they reach out to God for deliverance. Only then can WE be set free from the captivity of sin to walk in the captivating newness of life in Jesus Christ. All followers of Christ are sold out to Jesus, are blood bought & washed clean children of God. Freedom!
---Leon on 1/21/11|
Legends thanks, I had to read it over and over and look at the context real close. I do not see much of you on line anymore, what's up with that? are you to busy? I enjoy comments you provide for they make me look deeper and deeper in Scripture. I hope I helped others too. All for the glory of God.
---Mark_V. on 1/21/11|
I really enjoyed your post on this. Through your post I can see more clearly why Paul earlier in the same epistle calls himself "the prisoner of Christ".
---Legends on 1/17/11|
well said MarkV
---aka on 1/16/11|
Aka, I agree. Paul used a rendering of Ps. 68:18 as what is called a "parenthetical analogy to show how Christ received the right to bestow the spiritual gifts (v.7). Psalm 68 is a victory hymn composed by David to celebrate God's conquest of the Jebusite city of Jerusalem and the victory of God up to Mt. Zion (2Sam. 6,7, 1 Chr. 13) After such a triumph, the king would bring home the spoils and the prisoners. Here Paul depicts Christ returning from His battle on earth back into the glory of the heavenly city with the trophies of His great victory at Calvary ( 2 Cor. 2:14). Through His crucifixion and resurrection Christ conquered Satan and death, and in triumph returned to God those who were once sinners and prisoners of Satan. (Col 2:15).
---Mark_V. on 1/16/11|
The entire epistle's context tells me that the captivity that Jesus paraded(led) as a captive was "spiritual stupidity" aka darkness, ignorance, error, etc.
The "gifts" that were given as a result also identifies the captive. The gifts were the teaching gifts of the ministry. Apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers.
The defeated captive was "human stupidity regarding God's covenants".
For a few years after slavery was abolished in the U.S., there were slaves who had no knowlege of their freedom. They remained enslaved due to a lack of knowlege.
Captivity still rules by ignorance. Jesus led captivity captive by bringing the knowlege of the truth!
---Legends on 1/15/11|
When Jesus died, He took over the realm of death, which had been keeping people captive. So, I can see that Jesus allowed death to have Him, but then He turned death and its realm into His captive. He led it into captivity, then.
It is like how Joseph was taken into slavery in Egypt, but then he turned Egypt into his captive, and used Egypt for God's purpose, like Jesus has used His death for our good.
Like this, when Satan's things come against us, we can capture them and take God's advantage of any evil thing.
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/13/11|
Eph. 4:8 That is why the Scriptures say, When he ascended to the heights, he led a crowd of captives and gave gifts to his people.
I believe the picture here is one of the conqueror riding on his chariot that comes home to a victory parade. The crowd throws flowers at him while he hands out presents to those who give him the accolades. Behind his chariot is several prisoners of war that were captured in battle.
---leej on 1/12/11|
(kjv) Psa 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men, yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them. Psa 68:19 Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah. (kjv)
(esv) Psa 68:18 You ascended on high, leading a host of captives in your train and receiving gifts among men, even among the rebellious, that the LORD God may dwell there. Psa 68:19 Blessed be the Lord, who daily bears us up, God is our salvation. Selah
---aka on 1/12/11|
The gift of salvation-(eternal life given).In Revelation John describes a group resurection.
A person enters into a state of captivity-unconsciousness upon mortal death.The person is sometimes described as asleep and awating judgement.The judgement consists of a formal roll call of names from the book of life.To add,the judgement will determine if one's name remains in the book of life .If it remains then one will reawaken with the gift- eternal life.
---earl on 1/12/11|
"The verse should read...a resurrection of one time earthly mortals..." HUH -- what do you base that on Earl? :)
---Leon on 1/12/11|
The part of the verse to note is the words "when he ascended on high." The reason is that this gives us a specific time to reference and now you can ask yourself where else is his ascension mentioned in the writings of Paul.
Back in chapter 2, verse 6, the same thing is said in another way, that those bound under the law of sin and death were freed to become his captive and raised up with Christ to the right hand of the Father.
Some say Verse 9 means he preached in Sheol and rescued the old dispensations lost as well, That could be true and I'd like to think it is. Verse 11 talks about those captives we can be sure of.
---Pharisee on 1/12/11|
There is a school of thought that goes like this. The captivity spoken of here in this passage is not those who were in Paradise(Abrahams bosom). I ask you are Paradise and captivity synonyms? The conclusion of this school of thought is that Hell was emptied out by taking the captives(those in Hades) captive to heaven!!!
---mima on 1/12/11|
Rom 6:17 But God((He)) be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin((captivity)), but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made((led)) free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness((captive)).
---micha9344 on 1/11/11|
Leon I know you will most likely disagree but here goes.
The verse should read -he led a multitude of captives.
As the verse currently reads it cannot be clearly understood.
So Jesus led a multitude of captives meaning there was a resurection of one time earthly mortals who did not actually physically follow but was given eternal life after Jesus's ascention to the throne next to his Father.This is a sequence of events occuring in heaven.
---earl on 1/11/11|