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Iscariot Alive Until Resurrection

Because of certain wording in the Bible I am slowly coming to believe that Judas Iscariot was alive until after the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Do you know of this teaching? What are your views on this teaching?

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Did we reach any conclusion? Did Judas see the resurrected Christ and what is the significance?
---abe3 on 10/16/11

I did for me. Since there are no witnesses we don't know. The fact there are no witnesses is notable, in light anything of importance has witnesses by multiple in scripture. What we didn't live (OT)....we can still know confidently through these.

Sometimes the lack of is a witness itself.

My personal belief is he probably didn't. Or hung his self shortly after?

Judas is allegorical to Judah.
Has Judah recognized the resurrection? No. Not in 2011 years. Judaism among all religions other than Satanism has been and is openly Anti-Christ.
---Trav on 10/20/11


Did we reach any conclusion? Did Judas see the resurrected Christ and what is the significance?
---abe3 on 10/16/11


STILL!!! I WAS TOO HARSH, and cannot justify this before CHRIST.
---andy3996 on 10/11/11

Andy, harshness while it might cut....sometimes has a place. If one self reflects. If you require forgiveness....i forgive.

Not everyman is my brother. The man that walks contrary to scripture....i don't plow with.
If you are a brother you're plowing your own row alone, in a garden of your own design.
Visual, where the seed of the word yields a grape or a thorn.
Never once have I hated Andy or anyone here.
6Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
---Trav on 10/12/11


Trav:

The Apostles prayed for God's guidance, and chose Matthias to REPLACE Judas.
Later, Jesus chose Paul. ---StrongAxe on 10/11/11

OK.
You eat it your way.
I'll eat it my way.
We both are satisfied.

It's the same meal. They are among the Twelve. For the purpose/work they were intended for. Past and present.
---Trav on 10/12/11


Trav:

The Apostles prayed for God's guidance, and chose Matthias to REPLACE Judas. After that, he was numbered with the 12.

Later, Jesus chose Paul. There is no mention that this choice was to replace Judas or Matthias. There is no mention that this choice repudiates the choice of the Apostles. Paul was an Apostle, but NOT one of the 12.

In the list of offices of the church, one office is apostle. This would not be necessary to mention if there were never any apostles after the first 12.
---StrongAxe on 10/11/11




THIS JOHN I NOT ME! BUT AN IMPOSTER!

Wish we had registration so people don't steal my name!
---John on 10/11/11


\\Actually Judas was alive until well after the resurrection. Jesus appeared to ALL twelve per I Corinthians 15 and Matthias was not chosen until after the ascension.

But Matthias WAS among the other disciples--some 500, according to St. Paul-- who saw Jesus after the Resurrection.

\\A careful reading of Matthew shows that it nowhere says when Judas hanged himself\\

Is this verse not in your Bible, John?

Matt 27:5 KJV
And he [Judas Iscariot] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

Unless you are using some strange definition of "careful reading" with which we are all unfamiliar, you should try again, John.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/11/11


I'm not sure I agree with your number of disciples. Jesus appeared to 10 disciples in John(20:24) because Thomas wasn't there until John(20:26)there was all 11. The bible also says in Matt.(28:16), Mark(16:14),and Luke(24:33)that there were 11 disciples.
---abe3 on 10/11/11


Trav:
Judas was not replaced by Paul. He was replaced by Matthias (Acts 1:23-26).
---StrongAxe on 10/11/11

True enough. Christ chose Paul. Apostles chose Matthias. He is mentioned twice by name. Did the Apostles err? Don't know....probably not. Haven't found the witnesses yet.
Christ himself chose Saul/Paul. Who had more authority.
Found by name 158 times 20+ as Saul. And signs and marks by scripture.
Matthias?
---Trav on 10/11/11


I'm not sure I understand the 12 disciples number. ..in John 20:24. Jesus appears to 10 disciples since Thomas wasn't there. When Thomas comes back, it was still a total of 11. The bible states that there are 11 disciples in Matt (28:16).
---abe3 on 10/11/11

As you know I'm sure. They represent the twelve sons of Jacob, from Isaac Abraham.br>
Point? Each promise made collectively and separately is kept by GOD. Apostles are representive of each son through the individual.

The Ten you mention above represent the Ten son's of the Lost Northern House of Israel. Thomas (11) perhaps = Benjamin...doubtful, but still realizing the truth.
Paul (Judah) makes up the balance of 12. Blinded...but repentant at last.
---Trav on 10/11/11




Any of the commentators I read agree that the "12" was more like the title of a group rather than a specific numeration of those present. However, Jamison makes this interesting suggestion: "The round number for "the Eleven" (Lu 24:33, 36). "The Twelve" was their ordinary appellation, even when their number was not full. However, very possibly Matthias was present (Ac 1:22, 23). Some of the oldest manuscripts and versions read, "the Eleven": but the best on the whole, "the Twelve."

Also some of the commentators note that some other translations say "11" not "12".
---Bruce5656 on 10/11/11


TRAV, what i said in another post (whites have black baby) was unworthy of my Christian heart, (calling you kkk was a hit really below the belt)

for this i apologise publically, since this subject did not came into question.

thanks Mark V for calling me to order.

BY THE WAY WHAT I SAID refered to
1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
STILL!!! I WAS TOO HARSH, and cannot justify this before CHRIST.
---andy3996 on 10/11/11


I'm not sure I understand the 12 disciples number. I am reading in John 20:24. Jesus appears to 10 disciples since Thomas wasn't there. When Thomas comes back, it was still a total of 11. The bible states that there are 11 disciples in Matt (28:16), Mark (16:14) and Luke (24:33).
---abe3 on 10/11/11


Trav:

Judas was not replaced by Paul. He was replaced by Matthias (Acts 1:23-26).
---StrongAxe on 10/11/11


Also, it wouldn't make sense for Judas to be wracked with guilt after Jesus's death, if he saw Jesus's triumphant resurrection.
---StrongAxe on 10/11/11


He knew, when he tried to give the blood money back.
I personally believe/know he is representative of Judah as a Nation. His name, his action, his position among the disciples. Paul was of Benjamin, 1/2 of who divided with Judah. He replaced Judas, properly.
It is not known who the others were of....yet.
There were 12, ea will judge a representative tribe of Israel as they enter the twelve gates. Not Eleven gates.
---Trav on 10/11/11


John, Trav:

1 Corinthians 15:5 merely says that Cephas was one of "The Twelve". His membership in that group, or the name of the group, did not change because one of its other members just happened to be dead at the time.

Verse 7 says Jesus appeared to ALL the apostles. 8 said he later made himself visible to Paul. 9 says Paul is the lowest of the apostles. By similar logic to yours, Paul must have been with the other Apostles when Jesus appeared to them, which wouldn't make any sense.

Also, it wouldn't make sense for Judas to be wracked with guilt after Jesus's death, if he saw Jesus's triumphant resurrection.
---StrongAxe on 10/11/11


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I feel the same way as kathr4453-- "Why is it so important anyway?"
---abe3 on 10/10/11


Actually Judas was alive until well after the resurrection. Jesus appeared to ALL twelve per I Corinthians 15 and Matthias was not chosen until after the ascension. A careful reading of Matthew shows that it nowhere says when Judas hanged himself, Buying land takes some time, perhaps a couple of weeks at least which allows for being with the other eleven.
---John on 10/2/11

Interesting deduction John.
Precept upon precept.

Psalm 119:27
Make me to understand the way of thy precepts: so shall I talk of thy wondrous works.
Psalm 119:94
I am thine, save me: for I have sought thy precepts.
---Trav on 10/9/11


Actually Judas was alive until well after the resurrection. Jesus appeared to ALL twelve per I Corinthians 15 and Matthias was not chosen until after the ascension. A careful reading of Matthew shows that it nowhere says when Judas hanged himself, Buying land takes some time, perhaps a couple of weeks at least which allows for being with the other eleven. I find it completely plausible he committed suicide knowing that the resurrected Christ was without a doubt God and he could not forgive himself or be forgiven. There would be far more guilt then than prior to the resurrection. This harmonizes with all scripture.
---John on 10/2/11


Acts 1:22..one must be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

Acts 1:23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

Acts 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all [men], shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

Acts 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

Acts 1:26 And they gave forth their lots, and the lot fell upon Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Matthias being a witness of his ressurection, was not numbered with the 11, he made the 12th.

Paul wrote AFTER mattias was ordained
---francis on 2/3/11


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mima, I would have to agree with the others that if Judas was alive to see Jesus, he would have no reason to kill himself.

There needs to be more than one verse to back that up, and no where else does it say Judas saw Jesus, or vice versa after Christ rose. I would think Judas would have been thrilled to have witnessed that.

Why is it so important anyway?

I'm not being sarcastic when I say this, but who cares?

If there is no importance attached to it, why then is it important?
---kathr4453 on 1/23/11


---kathr4453 I do not believe Judas is in heaven. But if 12 disciples saw him after his resurrection, the number 12 would necessarily include Judas.
---mima on 1/23/11


mima, I just read an article concerning this subject. The Purpose was to show Judas was saved and now in heaven.

Let's look at other scripture to show this is not so,
John 17, Jesus clearly states "all but one", that one would be Judas, also stated as the son of perdition.

So is anti-christ. 2 Thess 2:3.

Judas is no more in heaven that the anti-christ one day will be.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/11


Judas, like all other criminals, did not think he would get caught.Who would know that he sold Him out? When exposed before the 11 other apostles , he just couldn't handle it, and took the cowards way out!
---1st_cliff on 1/15/11


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\\I think the reason why Judas committed suicide was that he thought he had arranged for Jesus to die and he felt that Jesus would not come back from the dead.\\

More likely impenitent remorse.

\\ But, if Judas saw Jesus resurrected and knew he was seeing Jesus, then he would not have that reason. \\

Agreed--and Jesus would have forgiven him.
---Cluny on 1/15/11


\\"Did judas Iscariot see the risen Christ?"\\

BTW, I searched this, and the only thing it gave was YOUR posting here, mima.
---Cluny on 1/14/11


I think the reason why Judas committed suicide was that he thought he had arranged for Jesus to die and he felt that Jesus would not come back from the dead. But, if Judas saw Jesus resurrected and knew he was seeing Jesus, then he would not have that reason. It looks like he killed himself because he saw that Jesus was condemned and he had no hope that Jesus would live.
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/14/11


\\Take the first website and see the man's argument.
---mima on 1/13/11\\

And if it's on the internet, it MUST be absolutely true. Right?

That's why you need the harbor of a local congregation--to take refuge from weird ideas like this, mima.

There's an old Christian proverb: "Unus christianus, nullus christianus."

Pray, and the Lord will give you understanding in all things, mima.
---Cluny on 1/14/11


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Certainly this is not my original idea but an idea I found on the Internet. In order to find this argument yourself---

Rod4him put the following in your search window.

"Did judas Iscariot see the risen Christ?"

Take the first website and see the man's argument.
---mima on 1/13/11


Mima: A careful read of Matt. 27 shows otherwise. First, Jesus is bound & eventually taken to Pilate. Then, Judas realized his sin against Jesus & was very distraught, & went to the chief priest to bemoan (repent of?) what he'd done. But, after achieving their objective to have Jesus arrested, their attitude was, "And your point is?!" Now, at this "point" (27:5), a remorseful, confused, bedeviled Judas "WENT AND HANGED HIMSELF." Maybe that means he didn't do it immediately, but did it over a period of time (days) of brooding. I don't think so!

If Judas was alive after the resurrection, when Jesus called Peter to repentance, why didn't he also call Judas? Answer: JUDAS WAS DEAD!
---Leon on 1/13/11


earl--//One apostle would be known as "the twelve//
Really?
I can see 9 or 10 being referred to as "the twelve". But surely a single disciple was recognized as an individual person.
---Donna66 on 1/13/11


I think what mima is suggesting is that in I Corin it says that Jesus appeared to the twelve, however, in Acts, Judas' replacement didn't happen until after Jesus ascended. ...um, I'll double read that.
---Rod4Him on 1/13/11


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Jesus said, let the dead bury their dead, but you come follow me.
---Eloy on 1/13/11


---mima, start with Acts 1, read it carefully, and ask yourself who are the 11 mentioned in the text, and who was appointed to replace Judas to make up the 12.
---Cluny on 1/13/11


mima,There is not much mention of the phrase"the twelve".Not much in the bible for referencing.I have found this phrase"the twelve" also in other places.The original apostles were commonly refered to as "the twelve" even if there were only eight,nine, or ten apostles assembled.One apostle would be known as "the twelve".This again is the original twelve and not Judas's replacement to regain the twelve member.
---earl on 1/12/11


---alan8566_start with first Corinthians 15:3-5 read it carefully, and ask yourself who are the 12 mentioned in the text?
---mima on 1/12/11


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I do not support your line of thinking but share it and your thoughts,it might be more than what one thinks.
---earl on 1/12/11


he was dead. after he hung himself & fell he died immediatly,otherwise it would be told.
---candice on 1/12/11


Mima what 'certain wordings' in the Bible are you speaking of?
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/12/11


I'm not aware of this idea, nor have I ever considered it, I'm gonna look into that one.
---Pharisee on 1/12/11


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It's a fond thing vainly invented, founded upon no warrant of scripture, but rather repugnant to the Word of God. That's my view.

Weird ideas like that are the direct result of refusing to be a member of a local church, mima.

If you can believe that Judas hanged himself, and then fell to the ground so that his entrails splattered out, nevertheless was able to survive for three days, your faith is greater than mine.
---Cluny on 1/12/11


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