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Made Free From Sinning

What is sin? One blogger appears to say it is limited to only 'unbelief in Him'? What do you think? Are we made free from sinning, or from the penalty for that sin?

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Mark_V
You said to David "You have very little to argue about with nothing to back you up."

Why accuse others of what you do yourself. You make many claims with "nothing to back it up". I provide scriptures showing Christians are not sinners and you hide from them.

Hiding from inconvenient scriptures and trusting in Bible commentaries instead of God, etc, is not being open to Holy Spirit teaching.

This is not a debating contest. Seek God's truth instead.
---Haz27 on 1/21/11


David, my answers are not to proof Matthew Henry is perfect or sinless. For I know he is not. For he taught he was not. You don't. So he had the truth, and you don't. So yes, he was a sinner just like everyone except you, Duane, and Eloy. ---Mark_V. on 1/21/11

Mark
I have printed the Truth below, when you Read it, does Jesus say that sinner's, such as You and Matthew Henry, will have Eternal Life?
(John 8:34-35)
Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever."


Who has the Truth?
---David on 1/21/11


alan_of_uk
You are stuck on traditional beliefs of sin. Use God's definitions and you will understand scriptures.

Are you under the law of SIN AND DEATH? If you are under this law then sinning demands a death penalty.

Christians are set free from this law and as God says, "where there is no law there is no transgression (sin).

1Tim1:9 the law is not made for righteous man (Christians), but for...ungodly, sinners"

Are you righteous through Christ or are you ungodly, sinner?
There is no righteous, ungodly, sinner in the Bible.
---Haz27 on 1/21/11


The doctrine of being set free from SIN, is to be set free from our Adam 1.

When Adam 1 died with Christ, Adam 1 died to sin.

The reason we are forgiven past present and future is Adam 1 died with Christ.

However 1 Peter 4 does not say that Romans 6 in reality becomes INSTANT.

ONLY those who have SUFFERED IN THE FLESH have ceased from sin....
---kathr4453 on 1/21/11


Matthew Henry taught baptismal regeneration a false doctrine. He believed it to be one of the SACRAMENTS.

Matthew Henry taught the same Protestant heresies as Martin Luther and others ... Henry states, "The sacrament of baptism, rightly received, is a means of salvation." A "means" of salvation? There's no such teaching in the Word of God.

The REFORMERS, whether Luther or Calvin did not rid themselves from the RCC false doctrine of water baptism.

Sacraments are RCC, and no such word is used in scripture.
---kathr4453 on 1/21/11




we are freed from sin but some just wont believe.
---duane on 1/21/11


David, my answers are not to proof Matthew Henry is perfect or sinless. For I know he is not. For he taught he was not. You don't. So he had the truth, and you don't. He is not deceived, but you are. He had the word of God and understood it and you haven't. He taught chastening by God to all His children and you don't. So yes, he was a sinner just like everyone except you, Duane, and Eloy.
---Mark_V. on 1/21/11


Mark
**Correction**
Matthew Henry said the Behemoth was an Elephant, not a Hippo.

Mark, Do you know why Matthew Henry said Elephant, and not Dinosaur?
Because the Dinosaur had yet to be discovered.
My Point?
Matthew Henry was a man who was wise in his own eyes, and therefore most of his writings are merely fables.

Fable-a short tale to teach a moral lesson, often with animals or inanimate objects as characters.
A story not founded on fact!
---David on 1/21/11


Haz ,, So if you did murder someone, you would be punished by the civil law, but God would just chastise you, but would not consider it a sin?

Haz ... when did you last commit a sin?

Duane ... when did you last commit a sin?

Wher has God said that if you do someting against the civil law, and against his Commandments, or if you just hurt someone wih harsh words or a lie (yes that is a Commandment) it is not a sin?
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/21/11


David, I have never quoted anything from Matthew Henry. What I do believe is that you can never comes close to what He has to teach. That is just my opinion. Since hardly anyone knows you, and He is known world wide.
If you are going to proof me wrong concerning sin, you will have a hard time since the Truth is not in you, for the Word says, you have been deceived. And what is even worse is that you call God a liar and His Word is not in you, because you are not a partaker of the chastening of God. Holding to the believe you are equal to Christ since He was the only sinless person.
You have very little to argue about with nothing to back you up. As I said before, if you want to say you are sinless, that is your choice to make.
---Mark_V. on 1/21/11




Im so glad I dont read books and commentaries. If what we read or interpet in books and Bible scripture doesnt lead to the work of the Cross, consider it error in your interpetation. We can all read a verse here and there to try and prove our way of thinking. There is NO error in the work of the Cross and the ressurection. Jesus came to set men free from sin. If you dont believe it, your faith is in vain. Preach the Cross,it your duty as Christians
---duane on 1/20/11


Mark_V
Until you use God's definitions of sin you will continue to quote scripture out of context. You would do far better trusting in God's word than trusting in Matthew Henry and Co, commentaries.

So, based on your "habitual sin" doctrine where does Paul stand? Of course you believe Paul was a sinner, but Paul said in 1Tim1:15 "I am CHIEF" sinner. Being CHIEF sinner I guess your "habitual sin" doctrine would claim he is of the devil 1John3:8?
---Haz27 on 1/20/11


David, now you know more than Matthew Henry and almost all commentators. ---Mark_V. on 1/20/11

Mark
Honestly...I think most Children know more about God than Matthew Henry ever did.
I have read some of his commentaries and find the story, "Jack and the Beanstalk", to have more crediblity than anything Matthew Henry ever wrote.

Read Matthew Henry's commentary on (Job 40:15-24).
He says the Behemoth was a Hippo.
Mark have you ever seen a Hippo with a tail like a Cedar Tree?
Obviously the man was not taught this by the Holy spirit, so he was merely guessing.
Are you going to let his guesses determine where you spend Eternity?
---David on 1/20/11


Haz, nothing undermines the faith God gives a believer. The question should be, if a person is saved to began with. Because God never loses His children. Many here already have the wrong gospel. Scripture teaches us that if you have saving faith that comes from God you will never lose it, and if you believe you lose it, you never had it. As John say, "They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us" 1 John 2:19. Since we were bought by the blood of Christ and not by our own merits, therefor "we are sustained by Christ imputed righteousness, blameless at the Day of our Lord."
---Mark_V. on 1/20/11


David, now you know more the Matthew Henry and almost all commentators. Great. You have a lot to learn before you can tie their shoes. The reasons given why those passages have to indicate habitual sin, is because there is no one sinless. So the passage has to indicate "habitual sin." Since John had already told us believers that, "If you say that we have no sin, (now listen to this) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" Your attempt to put Scripture against Scripture is very wrong. The very next passage says,
"if we say we have not sinned, ( listen to this ) we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us"
---Mark_V. on 1/20/11


David 2, I want you understand that all of God's sons, "us" are chasten by the Father. If you are not, you are not one of His sons.
You contradict most of Scripture with your believes of sinlessness, because only Jesus Christ was sinless. No one else is. Also, all come short of the glory of God. Plus you do not have a need for Christ now in your life. No sanctification by the Spirit through life, and claim to be glorified already. All false doctrines. You really do not have a clue what you are saying because as Scripture indicates, the Truth is not in you, and His Word is not in you. I would hope you would change your stand. Admit you are a sinner in great need of Christ everyday.
---Mark_V. on 1/20/11


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Haz
There are many that hide behind a Bible translation which replaces the words "Do Not Sin", with the words "Habitual Sin" in (1John 3:9).
To me, it's the most Egregious change ever made to the Bible, that was changed, simply to match one's belief, or to say what their itching ears wanted to hear.
I say Egregious, because the phraseology of the words are entirely different from one another, and for one to believe these translations, they must also believe that the KJV Bible and many others are wrong.

Where did they they get the words, "Habitual Sin", which replaced the words,"Do not sin"?
This new translation, came from the commentaries of men, such as Matthew Henry.
---David on 1/20/11


Duane, in your Bible in Hebrews 12:3 the writer speaks about what Christ had endured on the Cross and tells the believers:
"You have not yet resisted the bloodshed, striving against sin, and you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to son:
"My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, nor be discourage when you are rebuked by Him, For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives"

Verse 8 goes on to say,
" But if you are without chastening, of which "all" have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons"
---Mark_V. on 1/20/11


The merits of Christ save me from the wrath to come. He obeyed the covenant of works and was and is the only One without sin.
---Mark_V. on 1/19/11

WHAT ccovenent of Works..the Law of Moses???

Jesus did not KEEP any covenent of WORKS. The Mosaec covenant was a SHADDOW of things In heaven. This covenant showed a life was taken and blood was shed to cover sin.

Christ was the Complete sacrifice for sin.

When Abraham was asked to sacrificed Isaac, that was NOT WORKS either. It was obedience, and a shaddow of things to come. Salvation was announced way before any covenent of WORKS came in play.
---kathr4453 on 1/20/11


Mark_V
It is unfortunate that traditional beliefs can be so difficult to break free from even in the face of so much scripture clearly stating Christians are not sinners.

Your claim of salvation in Christ is correct, BUT, your "habitual sin" doctrine is of works and can undermine the faith of others as well as yourself.
---Haz27 on 1/19/11


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Haz, it is fine that you want to be considered sinless, I have no problem with that, what it does say to me is that you do not have the Truth, even when you believe you do. It also tells me that you are been deceived by your own mind. Which is not my mind but yours. I don't have a problem knowing I'm a sinner who has been forgiven. My merits did not save me. The merits of Christ save me from the wrath to come. He obeyed the covenant of works and was and is the only One without sin.
"who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time"
For all come short of the glory of God.
---Mark_V. on 1/19/11


Mark,
If your NOT a sinner, your illegitiment? Where do you get this?
Jesus said...Go and sin NO MORE. Jesus came to set men FREE FROM sin. HE came to TAKE AWAY sin. Blessed is the man who the Lord will NOT IMPUT sin. Consider yourselves DEAD TO sin.
Sin is a disease that was dealt with at the cross.
Some just cant believe what Jesus did for them.
---duane on 1/19/11


David, we seem to be talking around each other. ---Reba on 1/18/11

Reba
I agree, and that's a problem.
When someone has a preconceived belief when they talk,(Including me) we sometimes become deaf and blind to any clear evidence presented against those beliefs.
In many cases, doctrine's are handed down from one Generation to the next, and ones Ancestor's become the Author's of their Salvation and Not Jesus Christ.
I try to show those who disagree with me, clear Biblical evidence, and can only hope they will open their eyes and see it for themselves.
---David on 1/19/11


Good scripture Micha!!
We are being perfected right now, in Christ.
---ginger on 1/19/11


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Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.
2Ti 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, [and] prepared unto every good work.
2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
---micha9344 on 1/18/11


alan_of_uk
If you murdered someone then:
1:Those under the law of sin and death have sinned (transgressed the law) and the penalty is death.Also they would face prison terms as well.
2:A Christian who murdered would be chastised by God (King David an example) also they would face prison terms as well.

Christians are set free from the law of sin and death Rom8:2. As God says, where there is no law there is no transgression (sin)
---Haz27 on 1/18/11


David, we seem to be talking around each other. Faith without works is dead. TRUE, But our works have NOTHING to do with salvation. THAT IS A GIFT FROM GOD. We work AFTER we're saved BECAUSE we're saved & love the LORD & want to please HIM. That's the difference. At least that's the way it is in my life.
---Reba on 1/18/11


Mark_V:
I see your still stuck on not understanding sin. Until you use God's definitions you will continue to quote scripture out of context. And I note you had no scriptural support for your "righteous sinner" doctrine either.

You seem half way there though. You recognize what Christ has done in us, but then you undermine that with your works doctrine. God wants us to be either hot or cold, but lukewarm will be spewed out.



---Haz27 on 1/18/11


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Duane ... If you murdered someone, you presumably would claim you had not sinned, because you had been set free of the Commandments?
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/18/11


Daune, all born of the Spirit realize what Christ did for us. He forgave us our sins, put us on the righteous path, imputed His own righteousness on us, but didn't take away our sinful nature, what He did was released us from the slavery of sin. Made us free not sinless. He made us His children. And has promised us eternal life. If you are not a sinner now, you are illegitimate for God chasten all of His children "For whom the Lord loves He chastens" And "if you say you are without sin, the Truth is not in you" And "if we say that we have not sinned, ( Duane, you said you have not sinned in 20 years) we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us" Jesus is the Word.
---Mark_V. on 1/18/11


Haz,
you are one of very few who understand what Christ did for us. It seems others want to find scripture to deny that Christ came to set men free from sin.
Freedom from sin IS the Gospel and they dont seem to know it. I dont understand their reasoning. The joy of salvation is knowing what has been done on our behalf so we can see God and be with HIM.
The sinner shall never be with HIM
---duane on 1/18/11


David, all anyone has to do to be saved is believe in God, ask for forgiveness, trust & receive Him as saviour. You can call that work if you want to. I call it FAITH.
---Reba on 1/17/11

Reba
James taught that Faith without Works is useless.
Paul taught that Eternal life is rewarded to us by God.
How does Paul say we Gain that reward?
(Romans 2:6-8)
"God will repay each person according to what they have done.
To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.
---David on 1/18/11


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Haz, your correct, we are two different groups. Sinners not forgiven, and sinners who are forgiven. Every genuine Christian as he matures should be able to see more sin in his life, because as we read God's Word, we recognize more things that are sinful. To say you are without sin, is to say you are equal to Christ who was without sin. That you are a person who God does not chasten because you are born again.
"But if you are without chastening, 'of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons"
Those who say they are sinless are illegitimate. "My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, Nor be discourage when you are rebuked by Him, For whom the Lord loves He chastens"
---Mark_V. on 1/18/11


Mark,
So you agree, with Christ in you, your not a sinner but are made righteous and perfect before GOD? WONDERFUL.
Thats the correct definition of being a Christian, Christ in you. Your set free from sin, dead to sin, sin is not imputed and you are considered a saint, not a sinner anymore.
With God all things are possible.
---duane on 1/18/11


One is incomplete-without Christ.
With Christ We are made "complete".
mature in thought and action

Greek perspective:
Thou shalt be perfect (tamiym) with the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 18:13

But...
The Original Hebrew perspective...

You will be complete (tamiym) with Yahweh your Elohiym
So What is sin?
English uses the word "Iniquity" Gen19:15
But the true meaning is "twisted or crooked"

And Cain said unto the LORD, My (punishment) is greater than I can bear. Gen 4:13

This word means (twistedness), and he was instead saddened by his actions.
---char on 1/17/11


Duane, I do trust in what Christ did for me, he made me righteous before God because of the imputation of Christ righteousness. So before God I am already forgiven. But in life I am still a sinner. Scripture is clear. "If you say you are without sin the Truth is not in you"The Truth is in me Duane, because I know who I am in Christ. You want to not be called a sinner, when you sin all the time. Every day in fact and then turn around and say you are sinless but not responsible for your sin, because it not you who sins, but sin that is in you. So when someone tells you, why did you do that, you can say, I didn't do anything, it was sin within me who sinned, sorry it was not I. Must have been a Ghost who did it, it wasn't you.
---Mark_V. on 1/17/11


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David, all anyone has to do to be saved is believe in God, ask for forgiveness, trust & receive Him as saviour. You can call that work if you want to. I call it FAITH.
---Reba on 1/17/11


Mark_V
Duanne is right.

Why do you persist in contradicting God's word?

1Tim1:9, 1Pet 5:18,
Rom6:16-19, John 8:34-36 are examples of scriptures
clearly showing 2 separate groups.
Group 1: Righteous.
Group 2: Sinners.

Your opposing claim that the righteous are in fact still sinners is not supported in scripture. It is following traditional beliefs of men, which brings condemnation as your view of 1John3:6-9 suggests.

---Haz27 on 1/17/11


Us being in Christ is what makes us FREE from sin thus we are saints because of Christ. All who are in Christ are not classified as sinner because of Christ. It is all him.
That does not mean a saint won't slip sometimes and sin because we do. It means that because we are in Christ we are not under the condemnation of sin because we are not under the law, we under grace. It doesn't mean we have a license to sin either.
So, I agree with MarkV when he says Christ took away all of our sins. It is because we are in Christ so we can't boast that we did anything. Again, It is all Christ.
---ginger on 1/17/11


Mark,
We must all be born again to be saved. We are not saved if we still lay claim to who we are through Adam. I am not 2 people(righteous and sinner). I am 1 person, a child of God.
Cant you see the error of claiming eternal life while still being a sinner? It just wont happen. Trust in what HE did for you, believe it. HE came to set you free from sin. This is the power of the Cross. We WERE born in the image of Adam(sinners), Now we are born again in the image of Christ(justified and made righteous).
---duane on 1/17/11


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As soon as you repent with a sincere heart & ask Christ to be your Saviour, that's the extent of your work in getting salvation.

It's nothing of our doing it's all God.
---Reba on 1/16/11

Reba
I underlined parts of your post in hopes that you would see the conflict in what you and many others believe.

When people ask you, "What must I do to be saved?", you tell people they must do something to be saved, and then later, tell them that what they do has no part in their Salvation.

If works has no part in one's Salvation, how can you tell people to do something when they ask this question?
---David on 1/17/11


Duane, a long time ago I read a response from John MacArthur concerning this same topic. And when a person says, I'm sinless and then says, it is not I that sins, but sin that is in me, they excuse themselves of the sin they commit. There is no excusing yourself for the sins you commit. You are still committing sin, you are still a sinner because your nature is still sinful. Sure we are now considered saints but only because of the imputed righteousness of Christ, our righteousness is still sinful, we still do things out of the desire of the flesh. I am glad you admit you still sin because others like Eloy will not admit it. Perfection does not come in this lifetime.
---Mark_V. on 1/17/11


The heart of the Gospel is freedom from sin through Jesus Christ. That is the GOOD NEWS. To say a born again person is still a sinner saved by grace is dead wrong. We saints have been made righteous through the Cross and given life through the resurrection. We are now dead to sin. Sin is not imputed. HE overcame sin for us so we could be overcomers.
We must(its imperative) proclaim the work of the Cross, NOT what we think or what church we attend. Our only hope is Christ Crucified. HE is the way, truth and the life for all mankind.
---duane on 1/17/11


David, your answers are hypocritical. First you say:
""Why do so many believer's see the verse as you do, and not as the verse is written?" How is it written David? When you say,
"this is why they have countless Bible translations, each written to change the Bible, to match that experience." If the Bibles are change for the reason you give, how do you know what is written in the Bibles that you say people change?
Do you have the originals? Sounds like a lot of talk.
Maybe you could have said the Bible is the Truth of God, and many misinterpret meanings in it. Because if the Bibles are changed in meaning for the reason you gave, you have nothing to compare with to know the meaning was changed.
---Mark_V. on 1/17/11


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"We want everything to be instant, even Salvation"...David, SALVATION IS INSTANT. As soon as you repent with a sincere heart & ask Christ to be your Saviour, that's the extent of your work in getting salvation.The re-birth is instant. The rest is God working in our lives to maturity. But the salvation is instant. It's nothing of our doing it's all God.
---Reba on 1/16/11


I see what you're saying, But I still see that verse differently. Reba on 1/15/11

Reba
"Why do so many believer's see the verse as you do, and not as the verse is written?"
It's because we inadvertently make ourselves the measure of righteousness, instead of Jesus Christ, the one God sent to be that measure.
Why do we do this?
We are an instant society, and want everything, including salvation, to be instant.
When our lives do not instantly conform to what the Bible says, we must make the Bible conform to our lives, our experience.

This is why men argue about the meaning of words, this is why they have countless Bible translations, each written to change the Bible, to match that experience.
---David on 1/16/11


David, I see what you're saying.But I still see that verse differently. I agree that sin is of satan.However, No human is ever completely without sin. We're not perfect yet. Heaven is the cure for that. But an occasional mistake(sin) is not being a servant. It's being a sinner saved by Grace. To live in sin is being a servant to sin. There's a huge difference in being weak for one second of your life & falling. Then immediately crying out to your Father for forgiveness. The ones who are living in sin everyday, months at a time ,are servants to sin.They don't seem to have the Holy Spirit to convict them & cause them to repent & turn from the sin. That's the difference between a servant & a sinner saved by Grace.
---Reba on 1/15/11


1Jn 3:4-7 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins, and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
---jerry6593 on 1/15/11


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Mark,
Yes, we all live in a body of sin and death but that is not who we are. Its not I who sins but its sin within(flesh). I have been born anew of the Spirit. I have been set free from sin. I shall live forever but my body shall die. Salvation is life. Some choose death. I chose life. I am dead to sin, therefore alive forever through Jesus Christ.

---duane on 1/15/11


Duanne and David are correct.

Isa53:5"...with his stripes we are healed".

Rom6:18 "being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness"

As Rom6:16,19, 1Tim1:9 and 1Pet5:18 shows, you are either righteous or a sinner. There is no righteous sinner.

---Haz27 on 1/15/11


Duane, sorry but people are still dying because of sin. And you will also die because of sin unless the Lord comes while you are alive. I hate to disappoint you. You cannot escape death, so cannot escape sin. We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. We have a sin nature that has not been redeemed. We have been forgiven, and freed from the slavery of sin, but we are still sinners. The reason we continue to need Christ everyday as our Mediator. We have a new disposition, and new creation in us, Christ, who does not sin. But sin is still in us, just as Paul taught. "Sin within me"
Again, "if you say you are without sin, the Truth is not in you."
---Mark_V. on 1/15/11


I disagree with you. Someone who has Christ in their life is no slave to sin. ---Reba on 1/14/11

Reba
Many believe as you do, However your disagreement is not with me, but is with the Absolute Truth.
(John 8:34)
Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."

Jesus also said,
(Matthew 6:24)
"No man can serve two masters"

Paul also confirms this teaching to be the Absolute Truth in (Romans 6:16).

When we sin, is God our Master, is it God whom we serve?
Before you answer, remember we can not serve, two Masters.
---David on 1/15/11


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Sin is a desease...If men will only go to Christ, HE will take the desease away.

We are set free from sin(desease), therefore we will not get sick and die(penalty).
You cant get rid of sickness unless you get rid of the desease.
Gods people are without sin.
---duane on 1/14/11


As long as we are in this fleshly body we are not rid of sin, but accepting & following Christ we will be (future tense) free when we're ressurected & put on the new body.
---candice on 1/14/11


David, I disagree with you. The Holy Spirit makes the difference. Someone who has Christ in their life is no slave to sin. A slave has no choice but to serve the one in charge. Christ is in charge of the Christian, not satan. Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law but under grace.
---Reba on 1/14/11


Sin is disobeying GOD when you know you need to stop doing something or do something he tells you to do. Sin is not disbelief in God because demons believe in God, so are they sinless by that argument.
---Scott on 1/14/11


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For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
---Galatians 5:5

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

--- 1 John 3:2,3
---CraigA on 1/14/11


1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Joh 8:11 ... And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
---jerry6593 on 1/14/11


Romans 6:18 tells us we are free from sin. I believe this to mean we are no longer a slave to sin as we were before we surrendered our life to Christ.
Reba on 1/13/11

Reba
"The believing sinner, is just as much a slave to sin, as an admitted Alcoholic, is a slave to Alcohol."
If an Alcoholic can not see they are a slave to Alcohol, they will remain an Alcoholic.
If a sinner doesn't recognize they are a slave to sin, As Jesus clearly taught, they will remain a Slave to their sin.

If an Alcoholic, that you love, is still drinking Alcohol, and they told you they were not a Slave to Alcohol, would you stand in agreement with them, or would you attempt to correct them?
---David on 1/14/11


Romans 6:18 tells us we are free from sin. I believe this to mean we are no longer a slave to sin as we were before we surrendered our life to Christ. Free from sin doesn't mean we'll never sin again. It means we have a choice to turn from the sin & not live in it. A true born again believer has the Holy Spirit living in them & sin cannot live in the same place. You will not camp out in your sins & stay there. You will feel soooo BAD that you'll not want to repeat the same thing.
---Reba on 1/13/11


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Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.


Judge not, and ye shall not be judged.

Hard to understand, right!
---TheSeg on 1/13/11


"Therefore to one that knows to do good and does not, to that one it is sin." Jm.4:17.
"What rightly we say then? will we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid! How could we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? This knowing, that the old person of us was crucified together, in order that might be wholly abolished the body which sin, who's no longer enslaving to us the sin. Likewise regard all you also yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus the Lord of us." Rm.6:1,2,6,11.
---Eloy on 1/13/11


Alan, There is a huge difference between the sinner and the saint, between those born once and those born again: the former dies twice, the latter dies once. Rev.20:6.
---Eloy on 1/13/11


"Pharisee - This is how I KNOW you are NOT saved and still belong to the devil - your answer."

You are a ridiculous person. No where in that post did I say that I was without sin. If you can't even keep my words straight how then will you divide God's?
What this proves from you is that you cannot be objective in search of truth, that dear disqualifies you from anything your trying to be here, namely someone's teacher. "For he that is dead is freed from sin." Romans 6:9 You can't believe that verse because you don't know the power of God.
---Pharisee on 1/13/11


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We are made for it from the penalty of sin!!! This is so because Jesus Christ in his mercy and grace has taken all of our sins, those already committed and those to be committed, upon himself and paid the debt for them!!
---mima on 1/13/11


Free from both actually. See Romans 6 and believe the statements therein, I know for a fact that where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.

The war rages in every born again believer....
Human limitation however does ensure that a complete freedom cannot exist, there will always be the failings unique to every believer, and more moments in a day then we can take captive in a busy world.
---Pharisee on 1/13/11

Hey, this was very nicely and accurately put. I enjoyed reading a commonality that was described accurately.

I always kinda wondered about your name....I'm glad you mentioned the reasoning behind it. Doubles as a fishing lure. To fish that can wrap their jaws/mind around it.
---Trav on 1/13/11


Pharisee and David are right. Christians are free from sin.

Leslie:
1Pet4:18 "If the righteous scarcely be saved where shall shall the ungodly and sinner appear."
Note there are 2 different groups of people here.
Group1: Righteous
Group2: Ungodly, Sinner
There is no righteous, ungodly sinner.

1John1:8 you refer to is speaking of the sin of unbelief and is a message to those in darkness.
---Haz27 on 1/13/11


Pharisee - This is how I KNOW you are NOT saved and still belong to the devil - your answer. You still claim to be without sin. The Bible says in 1 John that if you say you have no sin you are a LIAR and the TRUTH (Jesus Christ) is NOT in you. You say you are a Christian without sin - ONLY Jesus Christ was without sin.
---Leslie on 1/13/11


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Romans 14:23 And he who doubts is damned if he eat,because he eats not of faith,for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. We are not made free from temptation or sinning,Satan even tempted Christ to no avail,and when tempted we too are to reject temptation and the works of the flesh. We are tempted when led astray by our own lust James 1:14 But every man is tempted,when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. No sin isn't limited to only unbelief in Christ. Use the Ten Commandments as a guide to teach what the nature of sin is. Anything which breaks the Laws of God and Laws of the Nation is sin. The Old Testament is our teacher bringing us to the New Testament and living by faith. Faith walks holy,sin walks filthy.
---Darlene_1 on 1/13/11


Hebrews 12:7-8 says, "If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons, for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons." So, I'd say our Father's correction is essential to our salvation.

And God's chastening is essential, "that we may be partakers of His holiness," we have in Hebrews 12:10. And without holiness, "no one will see the Lord" (in Hebrews 12:14). So, we need to deal with how God makes us holy so we will see Jesus, and not get decoyed with arguing.
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/13/11


Free from both actually. See Romans 6 and believe the statements therein, I know for a fact that where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.

The war rages in every born again believer to overcome and not fall back again into the mire that they've been pulled from. The flesh by nature loves sin, the spirit however has been made new. Spirit is stronger than flesh and one can be brought into subjection to the other.

Human limitation however does ensure that a complete freedom cannot exist, there will always be the failings unique to every believer, and more moments in a day then we can take captive in a busy world.
---Pharisee on 1/13/11


Are we made free from sinning?

If we are not made free from sin, then we are all worshiping the Lord in vain.
Why do I say this?
Because Jesus clearly says in (John 8:34) "Everyone that sins is a Slave to sin."
What does that prove? In the very next verse (John 8:35), Jesus says that the Son and not the Slave, will have Eternal Life, and this teaching is corroborated in (1John 3:9-10).

The word Everyone, in (John 8:34), was used to prevent one from excluding themselves from this Truth.
Jesus did not say Jews or Gentiles, but says "Everyone".
The Problem? The Pride in man prevents them from saying Jesus is right, and they are wrong.
---David on 1/13/11


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Sin = unbelief, not doing good, lawlessness. When you are saved you are free ONLY from the penalty of sin, NOT sin itself. In 1 John it says if we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and the truth (Jesus Christ) is NOT in us - this includes Christians.
---Leslie on 1/12/11


Unbelief is simply unbelief.It is not a sin not to believe.A non believer can follow the golden rule and forgive others as can a believer without believing in God.
Sin is best defined as a act in defiance or rebellion against God-this may involve theft and murder knowing it is not God's will.Thoughts of misconduct may be just that but not acting in rebellion.Many thieves and murderers do not know of sin or God but do know some laws they break.Satan thought out his action and followed it through-sin.
---earl on 1/12/11


I believe as long as you are in human flesh the sin nature is always with you. However, when you receive Christ as your Saviour you have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you. You'll still make mistakes(sin), but you WILL NOT live in sin. When you do sin the Holy Spirit convicts you & you will ask for forgiveness. This is a constant battle between the old man & the new man. No one is free to sin. & there is punishment for sinners. But you will never WANT to sin if you've been truly born again. You will be changed. Your desires will be to please the LORD.
---Reba on 1/12/11


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