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Can any man have his own church? Another blogger said "Men be men get right with GOD...have your own church' My view is that no man can have his own church, since the church is the body of Christ, and that cannot belong to anyone except God.

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kevin5443, A-men.
---Eloy7794 on 9/4/11


generally when You Own a Church Your title is, "Property Owner"
---kevin5443 on 9/3/11


Eloy:

You asked Cluny: to what end will you make yourself separated and dead?

Are you implying that merely disagreeing with you is, in and of itself, equivalent to the death that results from separation from Christ? Or that separation from Eloy is equivalent to separation from Jesus? None of the apostles themselves made such a claim. Even Paul, who said that anyone preaching a gospel different than the one he preached (even an angel) was to be condemned (Galatians 1:8), never said that rejecting Paul's words was equivalent to rejecting Christ.
---StrongAxe on 9/2/11


cluny, This: "\\If I personally had the money for a building I would have had a church decades ago.\\"

These are mine own words, and I have politely sked you to not address me until that time that you are ready to accept the truth. But yet you continue to ignore this request and instead you sinuously mock mock mock, for that is what your antiChrist and antiChristian nature is to do. So please, I will politely ask you once again, stop dissing my words. You are not accomplishing any thing by opposing the truth, I say Yes, then you say No: I say No, then you say Yes: how foolish is that? to what end will you make yourself separated and dead? For you are simply waisting time with all your dissings.
---Eloy on 9/1/11


I have started 4 churches with no money and am now starting the 5th along with a campground ministry and a Safe House for the abused. This is done with the direction of the Lord and His provision from His people.
When ever it is God's will He sends His people to finance the work. The problem is too many are too lazy to do the labor and to sacrifice to build churches/ministries. Some like to sit home, pass out false doctrine and call themselves something that God never called them!
If you want to know more contact me at elder2291.
---Elder on 9/1/11




\\Cluny, Why are you bent on sin?\\

And what did I say that was so sinful, Eloy?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/1/11


If a person has the money to purchase a building, the deed can be in that persons name, whether he claims to be a pastor or not. Usually no better or worse than any denominational assembly
---michael_e on 9/1/11


Cluny, Why are you bent on sin? I personally know of a couple pastors whom have purchased their very own churches with zero help of the congregation, and the church bought by the pastors is 100% owned and deeded to the pastor whom bought it in order to shelter and to minister to his parishoners.
---Eloy on 9/1/11


\\If I personally had the money for a building I would have had a church decades ago.\\

I've never heard of the pastor owning the church building himself.

In my experience, regardless of the denomination or structure, the property is owned by the CONGREGATION or diocese, because the PEOPLE are the Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/31/11


Alan, A-men.
---Eloy on 8/30/11




Yes people need to be own to a local body of belivers. Today people are visiting churchs as social clubs. Ex. "I go to this church's music, but go to this churchs preaching, but go to youth group at this church." The consumer mind set has to STOP NOW. Learn from each other but be dedicated to a local body. My church has problems but I am dedicated to the success of my church in good times and bad times. I work (volunteer) in the media dept. every two weeks or so. I own (am responsible for) the media that week.
---Scott1 on 8/29/11


Eloy:

I agree with Cluny. If God wanted you in the position of pastor (rather than evangelist), he would have provided the means and location for you to have your own church.

Also, in another blog, you said "Yahagahan" was another name for Jesus. Where do you find that? I cannot find any other references to that online, other than comments of yours on six blogs here.

I DID find one reference to "yaha gahan" in a prayer to Krishna someone posted on Facebook.
Also, several sites that are Baluchi phrasebooks says it means "coming", but other than these, there is nothing.
---StrongAxe on 8/29/11


cluny, Stop addressing until you're prepared to receive. I have been effectively ministering for decades, ever since I was filled with the Holy Ghost. For an evangelist is one whom ministers in the field without a building.
---Eloy on 8/29/11


a small group in the house, hmmm isn't that church allready?
---andy3996 on 8/29/11


The problem is getting enough money to start a church. Does anyone have advice on that?
---John

my church started as a Bible study some 12 years ago. If it is God's will it will be God's bill. "What would you do for God if you knew that you could not fail." A quote that started NewSpring. That does not mean that hard times will not happen or you have to take out a loan. The top giver (65%) of the weekly offerings left the church after the first few weeks. Who said you need a building, we had church in a convention centers for 7 years. Only then did we get a permanent location because the convention center had only 1000 seats and we were doing 5 or more services every Sunday. Search Perry Noble podcast or on google.
---Scott1 on 8/29/11


\\ If I personally had the money for a building I would have had a church decades ago.\\

Eloy, were God calling you to be a pastor, you would be one by now.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/28/11


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John, If you do not have the money for a building, I suppose that you could borrow it from a bank loan which you would have to pay back. If I personally had the money for a building I would have had a church decades ago. That's just the way it is, some people have money and some people don't: and those who do have money can buy the things that they need, and those who don't, we learn to do without.
---Eloy on 8/28/11


The problem is getting enough money to start a church. Does anyone have advice on that?

I know you can do the small group home stuff, but it never goes anywhere since it small and there's no money.

Maybe a small group of Billionaires!
Let's see.. Branson, Trump, Gates, and Buffet!

Now that could build a Cathedral.(Just kidding!:)

Seriously... any ideas out there?
---John on 8/27/11


Alan, Hi Alan. People have their own churches in the sense that they are the pastor of it, but the truth is, that their church is Christ Almighty's church, just as our own domiciles are Christ's, our clothes are Christ's, our food comes from Christ, our relationships are Christ's, our jobs are Christ's, and all things that we have are Christ's. The heaven and the earth and all things in them belong to Christ, for he is the Lord and Maker of them all, and by his word all things consist. However, there are some people whom have their own churches but they themselves are not yet Christianed and they have their own programs which do not include The true genuine Christian Church.
---Eloy on 8/28/11


Alan 2: The New Testament word for church, is ( ecclesiastical) means "those called out" The (visible Church) is viewed as an assembly or gathering of the elect, those whom God calls out of the world, away from sin and into a state of grace. Yet it is necessary to distinguish between the invisible church (those born of the Spirit) who gather in the visible church, Jesus indicated there would be tares growing along with the wheat. Though the Church is holy it always, in this age, has unholy mixture within it. Not all of those who honor Christ with their lips honor Him with their hearts as well. Since God alone can read the heart, the true elect are visible to Him, but in some measure invisible to us.
---Mark_V. on 8/27/11


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Alan, I believe any man can build a Church. What the visible Church is for depends on who gathers there. There is satanic churches, and false churches. This is the visible Church. The one's that have the name of Jesus and who teach the Word of God are denominational Churches. The visible Christian Church is not the body of Christ, it is a place where many believers gather and many unbelievers.
The Spiritual ( invisible Church ) of Christ are the individuals who are born of the Spirit. When a believer born of the Spirit enters a visible Church, Christ enters. It is only a building until a believer enters. Without believers in the visible Church, it is just a building empty of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 8/26/11


Part II: Your view is not incorrect,biblically speaking but greedy pastors and prophets has long forgotten spiritual or biblical things. They want m=o=n=e=y! Period. Yours and mine! At any cost! So they feel if they open up a physical church (the building) they will get rich or wealthy. The blogger who said this can be summed up in two words: greedy demon.Let him go ahead and open up his (church) without the leading and anointing of God.He will see and feel Gods wrath in due time. Hucksters like this have been around for many years. This is nothing new.
---Robyn on 8/26/11


Any man or group of men can buy a building, get their license and ordination papers online, perform marriages, funerals, water baptise or any "church" activities. This is the majority of "churches"
---michael_e on 8/26/11


I believe what this person was saying when they said: get your own church was, the actual building. Some people think there is great profit and wealth to be made when they see the tithes,offering given in the churches and there is, sometimes. The larger ones and sometimes, smaller churches have gracious givers.But tis is not the case all of the time. It takes a lot of money to run a church and sometimes very little is left over for the pastor and his family. Unless there is grave abuse of the funds. Sometimes pastor demand to be paid...first! Depends on how they do their accounting/bookkeeping. They want the money for their own gain and the church suffers. This is not right toward God or the church.
(Cont) Space is limited.......God bless.
---Robyn on 8/26/11


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Here is an example of a man blogging with the cutting edge of truth.
"The main purpose of the true church of Christ is to turn out disciples. Are any denominational church turning out disciples? Or are they just training people to be hearers of the Word? Are denominational churches just coveting people to make sure they stay in the church and continue to fill the coffers weekly? Reading the Book of Acts shows that the true church at that time of Jesus was training and sending out disciples."
---Steveng on 1/16/11
---mima on 8/26/11


hi, ELENA..here,wondering is it possible a preacher could've been called 'n becuz of Evil forces,tests n trials,difficulties.... if the person be called by God and leave.. does God take away their "call" or he just let them...go their own way? Thanks!
---ELENA on 8/25/11


And by the way: anyone who is born again and holy ghost-filled can baptize. But we have to be learned and knowledgable. We have to do things God's way. Not ours.
---Robyn on 1/22/11


Carla ... I'm glad you agree with me
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/22/11


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Robyn: "You have to be a praying man/woman,love for God, biblically correct. This is not an easy task."

Love, true love, is definately not an easy task especially during these end days and the world is almost completely filled with evil. The ultimate sacrifice of love is laying down your life for another. Not too many people will do this. When confronted in a life or death situation, they would rather run to save their own life.

Another situation is when a person is willing to give up their personal possessions, to sell ALL that they have. Again, not many people will do this.

These two are true sacrifices to follow Jesus.
---Steveng on 1/22/11


Oh but you see Alan,

Man does own the building and the organisation God only rlues and dwells in the heart, that is those who come out from amogst the corpotate building and stand in stead of the Spiritual and physical blessing of the christlike example of one who is of God.

You'll have a had job finding them scripture:( if the rigteous scarse be found...)In any one particular organisation.... he ceases to exist collectively anymore...however those who he brings to christ through truth will recognise his fruits and not his lip service.

Lip service are the ones standing in churches week after week, month after month as part of the congregation, the congrgation and church members stay pretty much the same, or are reducing.
---Carla on 1/21/11


Steveng: The question of who can baptise is an old question - should any Christian baptise, or only some whom God has chosen?
---Peter on 1/21/11


I don't believe people should be running around starting churches.This is serious business. Everybody is not called to do the same things. Some people need to be under leadership. We have to learn to be followers before we can be good leaders. Some people are delusional and in deep rebellion! They definitely do not need to be over anyone, because they cannot discipline themselves. You have to have Christ-like qualities and know how to lead,bless and genuinely want the best for others.And more. You have to be a praying man/woman,love for God, biblically correct. This is not an easy task. God has to be the center of this church. If not--you will only be spinning your wheels and going no where.
---Robyn on 1/21/11


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The main purpose of the true church of Christ is to turn out disciples. Are any denominational church turning out disciples? Or are they just training people to be hearers of the Word? Are denominational churches just coveting people to make sure they stay in the church and continue to fill the coffers weekly? Reading the Book of Acts shows that the true church at that time of Jesus was training and sending out disciples.
---Steveng on 1/16/11


ugh! that sounds like to much work ):
---kevin5443 on 1/14/11


Cluny: "And who gave you authority to baptize?"

Jesus gave us permission. We are also to perform greater miracles than Jesus. He said so himself. There are christians and there are christians. Christians who actively bring people into the Kingdom of God, to help populate the kingdom, are authorized to baptise another and you know them by their fruits. These christians are laborors that God is pleased with. These are the christians that deny themselves, take up thier cross, and follow the path of Jesus (going out into the world to preach). Many disciples were developed in the book of Acts. John 15

The harvest is many, but the laborors or few.
---Steveng on 1/14/11


The true church of Christ don't own buildings, it is not a denomination. They spend 100% of their money to help the poor and needy not for building maintenance, buying new furniture, paying salaries, etc.

The true church of Christ is the people. Wherever they are gathered. It's a lifestyle. Do an online KJV bible search (unless you already own a searchable KJV bible software on your computer) for the words "one another," "each other," "comfort," "encourag," to find that living a christian life is a 24/7 lifestyle not a once a week pep talk dished out by denominational churches. Those who go to a denominational church are hearers only.
---Steveng on 1/14/11


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//Occasionally someone will insist that I baptize them. I do but I do not believe baptism is necessary for salvation.//

do not worry, mima. water baptism is of man and holy baptism is of God.

Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and fire.

we must be baptized, but leave it to Godliness. Just feed their hunger and heal their wounds. the Spirit will go where God wills.
---aka on 1/14/11


A person can own the building where church meets,be its Pastor,but no man can own the church services or the people and that is what the church is. If that isn't a church dedicated to God then he isn't going to be there. That wouldn't be a very Spiritually inviting place to go. Nothing will flourish if God isn't the center of its focus. All for God,God for all.
---Darlene_1 on 1/14/11


\\I do but I do not believe baptism is necessary for salvation.
---mima on 1/14/11\\

Why do you disagree with Jesus, mima?

And who gave you authority to baptize?
---Cluny on 1/14/11


Your question raises many interesting points. I have a friend who says that the Lord told him" Go be Church". I myself have been accused of having my own church since my main objective is to tell people how they can be saved. And I make no recommendations as to what church to join or for that matter to join any church. I limit myself to a presentation of salvation to those who are interested. Occasionally someone will insist that I baptize them. I do but I do not believe baptism is necessary for salvation.
---mima on 1/14/11


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Technically right, however there is another definition of church that is secular and can fulfill the idea of the blogger being quoted. Go and start the church of Godzilla and be sure that God is not in the worship of Godzilla, and truly that is your church.
But a true church is surrendered to the Lordship of Christ and ruled the sayings of his son.
---Pharisee on 1/14/11


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