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Does God Love Everyone Same

How do you define the love of God in Scripture? Does it mean He loves everyone the same? And if He does, why are so many being born in nations where they will never hear the Gospel?

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MarkV, please let us know if you believe this? Do you believe satan's seed literal or symbolic?

Satan's Seed
The doctrine of Satan's Seed alleges that Cain was not the son of Adam, but rather the offspring ("seed") of a sexual encounter in the Garden of Eden between Eve and Satan the Devil. Satan was in the form of the being called a serpent in the Genesis story. (Thus the doctrine is sometimes referred to as "Serpent's Seed.") This theory further states that the descendents of Cain are, therefore, the descendents of the Devil himself, not just spiritually in terms of attitude, but literally in terms of their physical bodies.
---kathr4453 on 1/21/11


There should be no argument in the word of God concerning the serpents seed and the Seed of the woman. God said,

" And I will put enmity between you (the serpent) and the woman, between (your seed, the serpents) and her Seed (Christ, a descendant of Eve, and those in Him)." In the midst of this curse passage, a message of hope shone forth-the woman's (Eve) Offspring called "He" is Christ, who will one day defeat the Serpent. Satan could only bruise Christ heel (cause Him to suffer), while Christ will bruise Satan's head (destroy him with a fatal blow).
---Mark_V. on 1/21/11


Kathr, you don't want abuse yet you respond to me to get another response from me, and you will. You object to there been no children of the devil only gives evidence how far off you are of the gospel, and do not know where you are from.
The Truth shall set you free,
"Jesus said to them, "if God were your father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God, nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him."
John 8:42-44.
---Mark_V. on 1/21/11


Kathr 2: in John 8, the Jews were claiming to be Abraham's children, Jesus told them they were not because if they were they would love Him.
v. 41 says "You do the deeds of your father" They had no spiritual ears to hear the Truth, which only comes through rebirth. They still belonged to their father the devil, the reason they could not hear Christ spiritual words and understand them. They were actually doing the desires of their father the devil. v. 47 says, "He who is of God hears God's words therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God" The lost have their own father. They are children of wrath. God speaking to the serpent, said, "to your seed" those are the children of satan.
---Mark_V. on 1/21/11


God Himself made the division of man in Gen. 3:15 by putting enmity between the two, the children of the devil and the children of Christ the Lord. The wicked against the righteous. He loves the righteous over the wicked.
"For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us who are saved it is the power of God"
---Mark_V. on 1/18/11

MarkV, do you actually believe that satan has a seed of children? I can't believe you don't know what Genesis 3:15 really means.
---kathr4453 on 1/20/11




Ditto-
Jer 31:31-34Behold,the days come,saith the LORD,I will make-new covenant with the house of Israel,and with the house of Judah:Not according to the covenant made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of-land of Egypt-my covenant they broke,although I WAS A HUSBAND-saith LORD:But this shall be the covenant-I will make with the house of Israel,After those days, saith the LORD,I will put my law in their inward parts-write it in their hearts-will be their God-they-my people-they shall teach no more every man his neighbor-every man his brother,saying,Know the LORD:-they shall all know me,from-least of them unto-greatest of them,saith the LORD:-I will forgive their iniquity-I will remember their sin no more.
---char on 1/19/11


Romans 3:20, "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

1 Corinthians 1:18

18 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."

19 "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

20 "Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?"
---christan on 1/19/11


Is 54:5-8(all)For thy Maker is thine Husband,the LORD of hosts is his name,and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel,...For the LORD hath called thee as a Woman Forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a Wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
---char on 1/18/11


Isaiah 54
3For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left, and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
7For a small moment have I forsaken thee, but with great mercies will I gather thee.
13And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD, and great shall be the peace of thy children.

Heb8:10. Testifying,verse 13 and who. These laws...I've seen applied.
---Trav on 1/19/11


Word of God is truth-sent as the path back to Him.Is 55:11.
Heavens declare His glory-story of redeemer,virgin,tribe of Judah,the branch,Bride,adversary defeated-Victory.In His creation and through His Word.Ps19,Rom1:20,Gen-Rev,aleph to tav.
Beginning to end-He speaks of His love and purpose for repentance to remission.
Love your brethren(seed) Love your neighbor(adoption)-discern the spirit without judging.Every Word we will be judge for-Only His Word is life.Mat4:4
Father chose the Bride-for His Son.
Not one until complete(Wedding).
Christ being the Head of His body the church.
Placing ourselves as Bride if we are the groom and vice versa-miss judging...Becareful-use wisdom.

Praise God for His mercy and Grace
---char on 1/19/11


Matthew 5:43-48 Ye have heard that it hath been said,Thou shalt love thy neighbour,and hate thine enemy.But I say unto you, Love your enemies,bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you,and pray for them which despitefully use you,and persecute you,That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

Why?
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
---char on 1/19/11




Christian, what you say is true if the teachings of Scripture were only for the person we are trying to debate. But they are Truths that so many others have never heard. When I committed my life to Christ, I also did not understand either, though I never argued as most here do without knowing Scripture. I kept to myself and begin to study the nature, character and attributes of God first. And when I understood who God was and His purpose, I started to put things together and saw how wrong I was. Many here have never heard of the Sovereignty of God. The people we answer to, as you can see, will not change since they have hardened their hearts, but others will learn that without God they can do nothing and believe it.
---Mark_V. on 1/19/11


The love of the(God) Father is defined by the Love for His Son.Father Choose the Bride(Elect)for His Son.Christ, being the Head of His Body-and groom-"New Man"(Body of Christ)Eph2:15
Wife-Israel-New Yersalem-chosen:-called out from all nations-Is 61:10-11,Rev21:10-27
Is 54:5-8(all)For thy Maker is thine Husband,the LORD of hosts is his name,and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel,...For the LORD hath called thee as a Woman Forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a Wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.


Salvation to whomsoever...

Mat 22:3-12(all)-So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests
---char on 1/18/11


MarkV, there must come a time that we have to move on. Our duty is not to get into an argument or have an endless debate with people who does not believe in the Word. Jesus instructs us in Matthew 10,

13 "And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you."

14 "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."

15 "Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."

We must not be disobedient to His instructions.
---christan on 1/18/11


Craig, you said to Christian,

" What if its the other way around?"

Craig, there is no "what if"
If you believe and study the Word of God you also would know who God is. You also would know the condition of fallen man before God makes them alive. Eph 2:1-3 explains it cleary. But you refuse when the Word of God speaks to you. You find some excuse to reject the Word. And as I ask Alan, what is so wrong with God choosing whom He wills to choose? Why does it cause you speak against Scripture? The only thing I can conclude is that you refuse to listen to the Spirit since you are a Christian. Christian and I might not agree in every detail of Scripture but we have a God centered theology.
---Mark_V. on 1/18/11


No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
This would be Christ, right.

For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Can a man believe without God?
And how much he believes is up to Christ?
So if a man doesnt believe, who fault is it?

Sounds like Im blaming God, Right.
No, Im blaming you!
God bless, peace!
---TheSeg on 1/18/11


Someone can't even tell the difference between Christ's mission from the Christian's in the verse you quoted.
---christan on 1/18/11

Yes,it is easily seen from scriptural perspective who it is. You eagerly fulfill Eze below....and turn away from Christ instruction. But, you've much company.
Ezekiel 34:6
My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.

Matthew 10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 1/18/11


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We are a blessed nation-Rom9:7-13-Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but,In Isaac shall thy seed be called.That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
For this we Praise God for His plan of Salvation--That whosoever confess and believe..

Matthew 22:10 The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
---char on 1/18/11


There is a war--evident in the natural-With the creation as we see it-we are without excuse.
Romans 1:20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse:
Colossians 1:16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
---char on 1/18/11


"only one people had the law." Trav

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse"

"Mission...your mission testify's... to teach what you don't understand? Mission...try Christ's. Matt 15:24/10:6. There's you a mission." Trav

Someone can't even tell the difference between Christ's mission from the Christian's in the verse you quoted. Gathering of His sheep is never the Christian's mission but that of the Holy Spirit. The Christian's mission is Matthew 28:18-20, Mark 16:15-18, Luke 24:44-49, John 21:15-18.
---christan on 1/18/11


Kathr, many are been born in nations where the gospel is not permitted to be taught. In some nations hunger is more important to them then the gospel as far as they are concern. You are blessed for been born here with all you can eat places. Yet God brought them into the world. God Himself made the division of man in Gen. 3:15 by putting enmity between the two, the children of the devil and the children of Christ the Lord. The wicked against the righteous. He loves the righteous over the wicked.
"For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us who are saved it is the power of God"
---Mark_V. on 1/18/11


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To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons." Galatians 4:4,5

Mankind came into this world by accident? What's your point?

"Is your mission Christ's mission?" Trav

My mission is given by Christ Himself in the Scripture, what's yours?
---christan on 1/17/11

You state mankind in general...your own scripture given above that you think makes the point... makes mine.
To redeem those that were under the law...only one people had the law. Only one were divorced under the law.
Mission....your mission testify's... to teach what you don't understand?
Mission...try Christ's. Matt 15:24/10:6. There's you a mission.
---Trav on 1/17/11


God did create man in His Image---Jesus Christ.
Col 1:15

All souls belong to him and were not created incompleteEz 18:4
They become incomplete by twisted understanding-adversaries plan-instead of complete plan of redemption.
True definition of "Hate" Hebraic perspective--"Love less".
Mal 1:1-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
And I hated(loved less) Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness

Evidence--God incomplete action toward Essau-blessing.
---char on 1/17/11


"Hate"-In Hebraic it is defined "to Love less" (cause for effect)It is evident through action.
Gen 23:8,Deut 21:15,Lk 16:29,Mt 6:24,Lk 14:26
Mat 19:16-26"When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible, but with God ALL things are possible."

It is impossible for men because man can't save himself--no matter how many good works he does-Mind renewed-working Hands will follow-

God is Savior-He provided the perfect Plan of redemption.
He has chosen from those created before the foundation(formed-"bara")- to stand and work for His WILL-
and purpose...

ALL to be saved.
---char on 1/17/11


"He never was looking for mankind in general to begin with." Trav

Really? And yet "God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" Genesis 1:26, and Christ came as a man, "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons." Galatians 4:4,5

Mankind came into this world by accident? What's your point?

"Is your mission Christ's mission?" Trav

Christ has fulfilled His mission on earth given by His Father. My mission is given by Christ Himself in the Scripture, what's yours?
---christan on 1/17/11


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To suggest because one is born in a Nation who doesn't hear the Gospel to mean God doesn't LOVE them as much as He LOVES AMERICA is WOW...an awful thing to say.

I heard that Missionaries around the world want to come to America because WE are so far from the Truth to begin with.

I totally agree.

Jesus said to go to ALL Nations and Preach....

How do you know MarkV they will NEVER hear the Gospel?
---kathr4453 on 1/17/11


Christan, I have noticed a similar attitude in you and Mark. You both pompously assume that anyone who disagrees with your doctrine is unlearned and simply has not studied the Bible. What if its the other way around?

Has it ever occured to you that the people tryin to convince you of your err have already been through what you are going through?

King David was guilty of murder although he didnt lay a hand on Bathsheba's husband. He had someone else do his dirty work for him. Will you now accuse God of using Lucifer as a pawn to hurl us into sin and death?
---CraigA on 1/17/11


"I pray Not for the world, except for them which are mine, and I am glorified in them. Except a person be born again, that one cannot enter into the kingdom of God. If a person abide not in me, that one is thrown forward as a branch, and is withered: and men gather them and throw into the fire, and they are burned." Jn.17:9,10+ 3:3,5+ 15:6.

"Be not deceived, God is not mocked: for whatsoever a person sows, that will the person also reap. Know you all not, that to whom you all yield yourselves servants to obey, his slaves you all are to whom you all obey, whether of sin onto death, or of obedience onto righteousness?" Gal.6:7+ Rm.6:16.
---Eloy on 1/17/11


---Craig, you called the Word of God a lie when you said,
"That is a flat out LIE! How can you dare spread such trash as a child of God?"---MarkV

Nice scare tactic, but no I didnt. I am backing UP His word not basing it on another man's opinion.

Is THIS a lie? I wanna hear you say it.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour, that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
---CraigA on 1/17/11


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alan_of_UK, God commands mankind to obey His law only to demonstrate inability caused by the fall. He never promised that He was going to reward them with salvation for their obedience. There was a curse attached to the disobedience of His command, death!

When God delivered Israel from bondage of Egypt, was it because they obeyed His laws? No! Only after the deliverance did God give the nation of Israel the Ten Commandments, revealing His very being to them. One cannot serve God when he is in bondage (like Israel was) or as Paul says, "dead in sin and trespasses". God has to take him out of that bondage from satan, then only can he serve God.

In this act of deliverance, who's work was it? Israel? Mankind?
---christan on 1/17/11


Again--Love fuels-Action.
Be grounded in it.
Malachi 1:2-3 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,3And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness

Proverbs 6:16-19 "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: {17} A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, {18} An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, {19} A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."

-Based on Action-
---char on 1/17/11


---Christ is the only thing holding back God's wrath from this sinful world and we should be telling people this.
---ginger on 1/17/11

And also in Revelation He doesnt even start out with his full wrath. He intially destroys things in thirds to give people even more time to repent. Just a testament to just how much He loves mankind and wants us to turn back to Him so He can forgive and restore us.
---CraigA on 1/17/11


God never promised that He was going to save mankind through the fulfillment of His law. Never.
If that's the way God was going to save man, why then did Christ die at Calvary? ---christan on 1/17/11

He never was looking for mankind in general to begin with.

Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
The New Covenant has laws,they are seen....occasionally.
Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Is your mission Christ's mission?
---Trav on 1/17/11


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Yes God loves everybody the same.
BUT..
That does not mean he will not bring his wrath to those who are not in Christ.
If they don't heed the warnings given to them in the Bible and the testimonies of Christians, then they are righteously condemned and will recieve God's wrath for it.
Christ is the only thing holding back God's wrath from this sunful world and we chould be telling people this.
---ginger on 1/17/11


The church started so the message of repentance and remission would be preached to ALL nations starting at Yerusalem. The Letters were written to address situtation within the Body of Christ developing.
This is why when reading them you find them address accordingly. The church Began for the purpose to preach repentance and remission to all nations starting at Yerusalem.

Who so ever believed....
To ALL that be in ....beloved of God called saints...
---char on 1/17/11


Christan... You and Mark keep saying that if we had freewill it would ut God in our debt. That is your notion but the idea just does not hold water.

If your uncle offered you a gift, and you said "Thanks, Uncle" does that make him a debtor to me?

If Satan offered you the World, and you said "Yes" and he gave it to you ... would that put him in your decbt?

Of course not

So if God offers us something even more valuable and we accept it does no put him in our debt.
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/17/11


alan_of_UK, the laws that God gave man served only one purpose, Paul says, "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:20

God never promised that He was going to save mankind through the fulfillment of His law. Never. If that's the way God was going to save man, why then did Christ die at Calvary? It was Christ's discourse with the young man in Matthew 19:16-26 that salvation is revealed,

"When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
---christan on 1/17/11


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CraigA, if you take the time to read carefully each opening of the Epistles you will realize how foolish you sound by calling MarkV claim "a trash". The Epistles were addressed particularly to Christians only and not to unbelievers. Here goes,

"Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ" Romans 1:6

"Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints" 1 Corinthians 1:2

"unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia" 2 Corinthians 1:1

"to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus" Ephesians 1:1
---christan on 1/17/11


havhav [H:1890], a noun meaning gift and yahav [H:3051], a verb meaning to provide, the Hebraic understanding of ahav [H:157].
In the Ancient Hebrew culture, ones wife was chosen for him. As a verb, the Hebrew word ahav [H:157] means to provide and protect what is given as a privileged gift. We are to love God, neighbors, and family, not in an emotional sense, but in the sense of our actions.






---char on 1/17/11


"For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." Matthew 13:15

--Timing is everything--
---char on 1/17/11


Yes Alan, apparently when Jesus was teaching us to be perfect and holy just as our Father in heaven is, he forgot to mention the part where we're supposed to "hate" those who arent "elected to salvation" just as our heavely Father does.

You would think the Son of God wouldnt have left out that minor lil detail there. Good thing we have the Calvinists to fill in the blanks for us.
---CraigA on 1/17/11


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"For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe." (1 Timothy 4:10)

Paul clearly says, here, how God is "the Savior of all men". If He is every man's Savior, I would say this means He loves every person.

But one who does not believe does not benefit from God loving that one, like a believer does. For example, "God resists the proud," we have in James 4:7 and in 1 Peter 5:5 > whenever God knows I am acting in pride, God resists me so Satan does not keep on taking me where Satan would take me. I can benefit from God's so-caring resistance or be stubborn (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/17/11


When every child of God was created--yes--He loved.
God is love John 4:24
He is a true-just and Fair God.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR LIKENESS:...

that would be in-Love, not Hate.


Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
---char on 1/17/11


Craig, you called the Word of God a lie when you said,

"That is a flat out LIE! How can you dare spread such trash as a child of God?"

Craig, the trash talker is you.
Your attempt to change the meaning of Scripture puts you with the false teachers that God mentions.
If you had taken the time to read the context from verse 1 of chapter 5 you would know that Paul is talking to those who are justified by faith, the "we" and the "us" are the believers he is talking to. verse 5 even indicates the "we" and "us" the Spirit has been poured out in their hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to them. You are only here to trash the word of God. The Truth is not in you.
---Mark_V. on 1/17/11


yet lay down completely contrary rules for Himself.
Are they contrary rules or laws?

Joh 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

What was it God said in the law.
Tell me which one of you would have understood.
Dont tell me you would have understood.
You were not to pick up a stone. But look at yourself.

You think this has change?
Definitely as case of "Do as I say (and) not as I do"
Dont we all say, God forgive me?
Is it that hard to understand?
---TheSeg on 1/17/11


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Christan ... It is odd that God should lay down rules for us, yet lay down completely contrary rules for Himself.

Definitely as case of "Do as I say, not as I do"

A bit of a psychopath, really
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/16/11


--Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Those passages are directed at His children, believers.--
MarkV

That is a flat out LIE! How can you dare spread such trash as a child of God?

(Heb 2:9)
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour, that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

(1 John 2:2)
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
---CraigA on 1/16/11


People wrongly define that God loves sinners. But on the contrary hell runs over with sinners whom hate God. If the lie that God loves everyone were true, then there would be zero need for preaching and repentance and obedience because it would not matter whether a person was righteous or sinuous, for God is only love, the sinner says, and all go to heaven, the sinner says: Yet God says no such things, but instead God Commands all flesh everywhere to repent, else be condemned. There is no such thing as unconditional love, and God is not mocked, for whatsoever you sow you will surely reap: and you better believe it, God indeed has conditions- "obey or pay", for he has not made the eternal firey hell in vain.
---Eloy on 1/16/11


alan_of_UK, "On the other hand, he and MarkV do limit God's ability, because they say that God, being Omnipotent, cannot allow freeWill".

On the contrary, God can never be held limited by anyone or anything. He is eternal. To say you have the "free-will" to choose Jesus is to make God a debtor to your obedience. It is works and not grace (Romans 11:6). Jesus declared,

"For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." Matthew 13:15
---christan on 1/16/11


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Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee.
There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?

Seest thou this woman?
Her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

I can of myself do nothing, as I hear, I judge.
Peace!
---Theseg on 1/16/11


Micha, you are right again when you put down this passages,

1Pet 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy, for I am holy.
1Jhn 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Those passages are directed at His children, believers. Not the wicked, they cannot be holy unless God brings them to live in Christ. For He has already condemned them to hell.
---Mark_V. on 1/16/11


Pharisee,

"God did love Esau, but that love hardened his heart. God did not start out hating Esau. Instead he was forced to turn him over to Satan. Esau was created in love just as any other person God created."

Show Scriptural backing for your understanding and I will bow down to your god. Your comments demonstrate your complete ignorance of who the God of the Bible is, even after He declares who He is.

"It's wrong for God to hate if he has never loved."

Wrong? By your standads? "Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?" Romans 9:20
---christan on 1/16/11


Mat 5:43-45 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you, That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
1Pet 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy, for I am holy.
1Jhn 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
---micha9344 on 1/16/11


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Pharisee ... You have (I think) misunderstood Christan ...

He said "How one can preach that God loves everyone and He wants to save everyone but He can't until one has accepted Christ is against the teachings of the Gospel. If that's the case, one has made God useless since He wants to save everyone and He can't because the man's "free-will" is in the way of God's desire to save him"

That(again,I think!) means he disagrees with the statement, and that God can love (and save) people before they accept jesus.

On the other hand, he and MarkV do limit God's ability, because they say that God, being Omnipotent, cannot allow freeWill
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/16/11


"How one can preach that God loves everyone and He wants to save everyone but He can't..."

Jesus taught that God loved everyone.
Paul taught he wanted all to be saved.
And congratulations, you've now told us there is something that GOD cannot do. Am I now greater then God that I can love sinners and have compassion on them?

Whoever your God is Christian you better get on your bike and ride off into the sunset from him, because he's a weakling, and he surely doesn't know Christ.
---Pharisee on 1/16/11


Amen Bill.

He even said when he was ascended He would draw all men to himself and the Holy Spirit was sent into the world after his ascension to "reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me, Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more, Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged."
---CraigA on 1/16/11


God loves us unconditionally but it is thru peoples free will, pride,and hard headedness they choose to turn away from the greatest love Jesus
---paul on 1/16/11


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I believe the following statement to be very misleading. "Jesus speaks a lot about, that other Disciple who he loved, that other Disciple is the Church, the Apple of his eye.
---lamar_tucker on 1/15/11
---mima on 1/16/11


This world is almost over.

I never thought I would live to see the day when Christianity became loveless. When it became a way to knock people down with hate rather than a way to give them hope with love.

Words cannot express the hurt I feel right now.

Please open up your hearts.
---CraigA on 1/16/11


Jesus says, "'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.'" (Matthew 11:28) So, Jesus loves "all" people, by calling to "all". And the guarantee is the same for "all", if they come to Jesus. If you come to and obey the real Jesus, He gives us "rest for your souls," if and while we obey the real Jesus Christ.

But Jesus is pleasing to our Father, and He loves Jesus more than all, I would say. As we become more like Jesus, we also become so pleasing to our Father, making us more and more loved, for this reason. But "all" are called to this, "all" may have this, if we obey.
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/16/11


Listen, everything (and I mean everthing) come from God your father.
Man, I dont know. It seems so clear to me. Am I wrong?
He give you (whatever you think you have) right!
Now you look at eachother, as if to say.
Well why dont they understand (whatever it is God gave you.)
Man, he gave it to you! But, look at the things your doing with it.
Cant you see, are your hearts so hearden. Dont you know how to do good?
God please forgive me. I in my life, on this earth to this day.
Have not seen one, who doesnt point at another with what he think he knows!
But I believe you know nothing as you should!
God, I love you!
---TheSeg on 1/15/11


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Jesus speaks a lot about, that other Disciple who he loved, that other Disciple is the Church, the Apple of his eye.
---lamar_tucker on 1/15/11


Jesus is God. No, Jesus does not love everyone the same, his love is according to the souls service. The one who serves him whole-heartedly is loved whole-heartedly, and the one whom rejects him he rejects. His command is to Go preach and make disciples of all nations, that is our job and not God's. God already came down and showed us in the flesh how to minister, now he tells you to do as he has shown you. If no one Goes, and no one preaches, and no one ministers, then also no one will know and no one will be saved. "Love" is more than a noun, it is also a verb, and "action" word, GO, and DO, is loving someone.
---Eloy on 1/15/11


Praise the Lord! What a wonderful and blessed answer you have given, mima. Many cannot believe that God's love is an elective love as your answer suggest, which is Scriptural.

How one can preach that God loves everyone and He wants to save everyone but He can't until one has accepted Christ is against the teachings of the Gospel. If that's the case, one has made God useless since He wants to save everyone and He can't because the man's "free-will" is in the way of God's desire to save him.

The definition of God's love is, "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Romans 5:8
---christan on 1/15/11


John 3:16 says it all, "God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son so that whoever believes in him may not be lost, but have eternal life." In that one scripture, God proclaims his universal love for all people and invites us to be his children. Your third question is up to us (the redeemed children of the risen Christ) to proclaim the good news of the Messiah to all people in all nations. It is the Great Commission.
---steve on 1/15/11


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Even though the gospel is the power of God unto salvation, the work of creation is enough to reveal the creator and leave man "without excuse." if that's the case it's also enough to reveal that creator and for him to be worshiped and the worshiper saved without hearing the gospel. God does love everyone the same, that was Jesus' own testimony in Matthew chapter 5 when he said "be ye perfect (context was love) even as your Heavenly father is perfect."
Either he's perfect or he's not, and if he is then you can be saved and never hear the name Jesus.
---Pharisee on 1/15/11


God did love Esau, but that love hardened his heart. God did not start out hating Esau. Instead he was forced to turn him over to Satan. Esau was created in love just as any other person God created. It's wrong for God to hate if he has never loved. We love God because he first loved us, but some will take that love and deny it, and this brings about the wrath of God.
---Pharisee on 1/15/11


The Bible says that there is no favortism with God - so yes, He loves everyone the same. The Bible also says that nothing will separate you from God's love.
---Leslie on 1/15/11


If you push this too far, mima, you'll wind up with God being a respecter of persons after all.

"Esau I hated" is to be understood metaphorically. The descent of Jesus was to be through Jacob.
---Cluny on 1/15/11


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Mark_V...the scriptures tell us that, "od so loved the WORLD....that He gave His only begotten Son to die for us, that who-so-ever believth upon Him shall have everlasting life."

And may I ask you a question? WHO told you "they will never hear the Gospel?" Remember when Adam & Eve told God they were scared and naked? What was God's response to them? WHO told you that? Hint: It wasn't God who told them they were naked. So I ask you again, who told you that?
---Donna5535 on 1/15/11


If you actually cross reference the verse and read Malachi 1 you will see that the passage refers to the nations of Israel (Jacob) and Edom (Esau) not the individual men.

Those who refuse to accept this fact have been led down the wrong road and cause great dissention in the family of God by teaching that God doesnt love all men.

Did God not bless Esau? (Gen 33:9) Or did Esau simply prosper against the will of a completely sovereign God? ,)
---CraigA on 1/15/11


God loves everyone the same.
As a result he died for everyone.
Love in the bible is defined by John 3:16 and this love is to the world.
God loves even Esau.

Second, God has such love that he has provided salvation for people who have never heard the gospel.
---francis on 1/15/11


You know you people kill me. You talk about the lov of God, as if you know it.
Yes God love everyone, no one is with it. You talk about Esau.

Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Look at
Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

What did christ say? What are you to take from this.
You want to find the rightous?
Just look at yourself frist!
EASY!
---TheSeg on 1/15/11


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I cant believe with all that we know now, that people still believe in any god. Are people not strong enough to think for themselves? Does everyone just go with what they're told year after year, generation after generation? Think outside the box sheeple! We are no different than any other living organism on this planet.
---bill_wesolowski on 1/15/11


Ouch! I think a part of God loved Esau--somewhere in His heart. Personally I don't understand why He favored Jacob anyway--Jacob was such a conniving man! Can someone explain to me what all was wrong with Esau? Thanks.
---Mary on 1/15/11


The question does God love everyone can be answered by asking another question. Did God love Esau?
---mima on 1/15/11


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