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Is Death The End Of Us

Why does the Bible not speak of death as a continuation of life in a non-corporeal form?

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I think it does, but perhaps not directly. Paul says in 2Cr 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. If we are absent from the body, we must be dead. And if we are present with the Lord, but not in our body, then we must be with the Lord in Spirit. That's how it seems to me. It doesn't tell us where the Lord is, when we are with Him. But since He's omnipresent, perhaps it isn't really an issue.

What happens to those who are not the Lord's is another question. If their spirit is not in their body, and not with the Lord. It must be elsewhere. And since I don't believe in ghosts, I take that place to be "hell". Resurrection is bringing the BODY back to life.
---Donna66 on 4/3/11


Why did Paul not actually say the dead are still alive and go to heaven when they die? Why did he preach that we await the resurrection?

Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection:

1Cr 15:12 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Cr 15:42

Phl 3:10 11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already, and overthrow the faith of some.

If JESUS went to heaven at death then why the importance of the Resurrection?
---Samuel on 4/1/11


**I get it. When we die we do not go to heaven or hell otherwise JESUS would not have to come back to get us. We are looking forward to the Resurrection of the dead.

The early church believed as did the Apostle Paul that when the believer in Christ died, he went to be with the Lord.

Co 5:8 Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

The resurrection is when the soul is united with the new and glorified body. The belief was something that we see in the Apostles Creed created very early in the history of the church.
---leej on 4/1/11


John 14:3 And if {c}Heb 6:20 9:8,24 Re 21:2 I go and prepare a place for you, {d}Heb 9:28 I will come again, and receive you unto myself, {e} that where I am, [there] ye may be also. Joh 12:26 17:24 1Th 4:17 leej

I get it. When we die we do not go to heaven or hell otherwise JESUS would not have to come back to get us. We are looking forward to the Resurrection of the dead.

Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
Act 17:32 Act 24:15
1Cr 15:12-21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead.
Phl 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
---Samuel on 3/31/11


John 14:3 And if {c} I go and prepare a place for you, {d} I will come again, and receive you unto myself, {e} that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

{c} "I go" #Heb 6:20 9:8,24 Re 21:2
{d} "I will come again" #Heb 9:28
{e} "where I am" #Joh 12:26 17:24 1Th 4:17

I am sure you can figure it out for yourself. But you fail to acknowledge that the condemned are conscious and suffering in hell. The Bible is very plain about that and that has been the teachings of His church for centuries.
---leej on 3/27/11




Lee: What? No retort?
---jerry6593 on 1/30/11


Mark V, No Mark it's not by "my rule"..Deut 19.15
Except for the reason Luke's gospel is included in the NT ,give me one good reason for believing the story of the Rich man and Lazarus! Included because a "committee" decided it should be there!
Are we robots? can we not think for ourselves, must we believe something simply because some one "says so"?
Scripture says "come let us reason together" The RM & L is not "reasonable" gives credence to the lie of the "immortal soul"
---1st_cliff on 1/28/11


Cluny, ** a soul without a body is a ghost ,a body without a soul is a corpse**
By your statement God would have had to "give" Adam soul but this is not the case, Adam "became" a living soul when God breathed into him the " breath of life" which is not a "soul"
Conversely when he died he became a "dead" soul!
---1st_cliff on 1/28/11


Lee: "the dead in Christ go to be with Him".

But that makes Jesus a "fiction story teller", because He said:

Joh 14:3 .... I will come again, and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be also.

If we were to go to be with Him at death, then we would be where He is, and His statement would be a lie. So, either Jesus is lying or you are.
---jerry6593 on 1/28/11


1Cliff, there you go again questioning Scripture. Now Luke is wrong. He needed two witnesses. In fact by your rule every writer of Scripture needs two witnesses. It has always been about what you believe is Scripture and what you believe should not be in Scripture. Only you have the real truth. Because only you know what parts of Scripture are true and which ones are not true. So I suppose everyone should go to you for the real Truth.
---Mark_V. on 1/28/11




Good point, micha.
---Cluny on 1/27/11


Kind of hard for Jesus to be with us always if we cease to exist at some point....
---micha9344 on 1/27/11


\\If man possess an immaterial soul or spirit, then what is its nature after the death of the body?\\

I'm sure EGW could tell you now.

I know she got a big surprise when she died.

I sincerely pray it was was pleasant one.
---Cluny on 1/27/11


leej, FYI I am a Christian ,but not a "gullible" or superstitious one,I believe every word of Christ is pure, but you tell me where Luke got his information IE- R M & Lazarus. No one else backs up this idea, "Scripture" says "at the mouth of two or more witnesses will a matter be established" Deut.19.15.
Going off the deep end (**Matthew, Peter**,etc..)is typical from one who's study is "shallow".
I "study" scripture not just read words! If satan has blinded you, how can you see?
---1st_cliff on 1/27/11


I believe what needs to be addresses is what constitutes man. Does he possess both a body which dies and a soul which may continue to exist after death?

If man possess an immaterial soul or spirit, then what is its nature after the death of the body?

Hebrews 4:12 speaks of both a spirit and soul as does Matthew 10:28.

There is enough about hell in the Bible that we may conclude that some are conscious after death.
---leej on 1/26/11


\\Just "how" the dead hear His voice is beyond our comprehension.Why would you insist that something would have to be alive in order to come "alive??"
---1st_cliff on 1/16/11\\

A soul without a body is a ghost.

A body without a soul is a corpse.

It takes BOTH together to be the full human being and to be fully alive.
---Cluny on 1/26/11


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//Do you agree the dead do not live again until the resurrection at the coming of Jesus?

No, as I believe the dominant interpretation of scripture is that the dead in Christ go to be with Him, while the non-believer goes to a place called hell. In either place there is a consciousness.

Death only separates us from the body not of the spirit. Hebrews 4:12 tells us that there is both a soul & spirit of man.

To hold your view I would have to believe that the transfiguration was a vision not based on reality. And I would have to reject that doctine that hell is a real place for the damned.

Sorry but unlike cliff, I believe Jesus was not a fiction story teller.
---leej on 1/26/11


1st_cliff //leej,** Jesus was no Aesop**, no but Luke was.

Why limit Luke to be one that produces fiction, why not also include Paul, Matthew, Mark, Peter and possibly other writer of Scripture.

You must be one of those liberal modernist that does not believe the Bible is the Word of God.

Are you really a Christian? Do you have a testimony of Him coming into your life? Or are you just another hypocritical philosopher who has chosen to war with Christians?
---leej on 1/26/11


Lee: "that they are not gaseous spooks."

Then are you now agreeing with me that dead people do not continue to live as non-corporeal entities? Do you agree that the dead do not live again until the resurrection at the coming of Jesus?
---jerry6593 on 1/26/11


Leej, very good points you gave. When we read the resurrection of the Lord, even He mentions the body He has when they believed He was a ghost or a spirit.
"Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have" Luke 24:39.
In the same since, we too will have a body similar to Christ when we are glorified.
---Mark_V. on 1/26/11


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leej,** Jesus was no Aesop**, no but Luke was.
1st he quotes Jesus whom he never met, 2nd he was not an Apostle, not even a Jew (Greek Gentile) No other bible writer backs up this "parable?" .The soul is NOT immortal-give me one scripture that says it is!(should be easy seeing that soul is mentioned more than 800 times)
---1st_cliff on 1/26/11


// **for they are like the angels in heaven** only so far as the fact that angels don't marry,

Agree but that speaks of believers after the resurrection. You need to read the passage correctly.

I do not believe Jesus was some kind of Aesop story teller when He related the parable about Lazarus & the rich person in hell.

Every parable of Jesus' was one that related to reality, not some made up fiction as Jerry would allude to in order to support their viewpoints.
---leej on 1/25/11


When we as Christians die, we have that hope as expressed in 2 Cor. 5:1-5 (NLT)

For we know WHEN this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing. For we will put on heavenly bodies, we will not be spirits without bodies. While we live in these earthly bodies, we groan and sigh, but its not that we want to die and get rid of these bodies that clothe us. Rather, we want to put on our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life.
---leej on 1/25/11


1st_cliff //Mk. 12:25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven."

While it is true that angels do not marry, there is sufficient enough scripture that tells us they have both rank and powers.

And we should be like them having powers.

True or False: In the resurrection we have to exist in order to be given immortal bodies.

So much for Jerrys spook theory.
---leej on 1/25/11


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leej, **for they are like the angels in heaven** only so far as the fact that angels don't marry, nothing to do with power.
Angels were not told to "be fruitful and fill the heavens",man was (to fill the earth) that's why we marry!
Those raised to heaven will co-rule as Kings and Priests with Christ, of course they won't marry!
God's mandate to Adam is yet to be accomplished. When it is God will end "child bearing"! He didn't say "overflow it".
---1st_cliff on 1/25/11


///Would you care to explain how that scripture "proves" that people in heaven are gaseous spooks?

Even if the transfiguration was a vision (Mt. 17), the 3 Apostles actually saw Moses & Elijah talking to Jesus, I believe we can with at least some justification believe these people are in heaven with the Lord, that they are not gaseous spooks.

Also even if the dialogue between poor Lazarus and the rich man after the death of each, was viewed as a parable (Lk. 16), I believe Christ used reality in all His parables.

And of course, the view I hold is that of the saints who had close relation with the Lord.

So you really cannot prove otherwise and all you really have is what you want to believe.
---leej on 1/25/11


Lee: "Mk. 12:25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven."

Would you care to explain how that scripture "proves" that people in heaven are gaseous spooks? Your logic escapes me. Real, physical people can also be unmarried. Or didn't you know that?
---jerry6593 on 1/25/11


// Yes, common sense dictates that all of the physical acts that the Bible says we will experience in heaven and the new earth ...would not be possible as a gaseous spook.

Jerry really does not know the scripture as he believes spirits in heaven will have no power.

Mk. 12:25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

And angels have no power?

Jerry guide is his denominational beliefs, not the scripture.
---leej on 1/23/11


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Peter: Yes, common sense dictates that all of the physical acts that the Bible says we will experience in heaven and the new earth (such as bowing, touching, seeing, eating, drinking, and even planting and building) would not be possible as a gaseous spook. This (spook beings) is a pagan concept, and is foreign to the Bible. The ancient Greeks believed that people were good spirits trapped in evil flesh.
---jerry6593 on 1/23/11


Because it will be corporeal (at least I take you to mean a physical life) - we will eat, possible even sleep (I'm not sure) but live a completely holy life
---Peter on 1/22/11


Lee: "Jesus often spoke of those who were unbelievers as being the dead."

Sure did!

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins

Are you still dead in trespasses and sin?
---jerry6593 on 1/22/11


Jesus often spoke of those who were unbelievers as being the dead.

Mt 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead.

But those who heard His word,have passed from death into life and will not be condemned.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39
---leej on 1/21/11


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Cluny: "There must be SOMETHING that is conscious that survives physical death."

Maybe if you believe really, really hard, the Bible will change - but I doubt it.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead KNOW NOT ANY THING

Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day HIS THOUGHTS PERISH.

Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he [Lazarus] shall rise again IN THE RESURRECTION AT THE LAST DAY.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and THE DEAD SHALL BE RAISED incorruptible,

Act 2:34 For David IS NOT ASCENDED into the heavens
---jerry6593 on 1/21/11


Moderator: No. Death is not the end of us if we are in Christ. The wages of sin is DEATH, but the gift of God is eternal life (Rom 6:23). But that life of conscious bliss in heaven is not one as a spook. It is one that is enjoyed in a complete, immortal, physical body that is given us at the resurrection when Jesus returns for us.

Job 19:25,26 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
---jerry6593 on 1/21/11


Cluny, **It has been seen to happen**...So, does it come out the nose, mouth ..where?? Is it also clothed??sexed??
Tell me about it!
---1st_cliff on 1/20/11


\\No one has ever seen a soul depart from a body , because it doesn't happen\\

As a matter of fact, it HAS been seen to happen by very holy Christians.
---Cluny on 1/20/11


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Please read what the Lord Jesus Christ said in Matt.22: 29-32. To God nobody is dead, people only transit from the earth to other places.
---Adetunji on 1/19/11


jerry, I'll bet your false prophetess EGW got a big surprise when she died and found out there's no such thing as soul sleep (properly, soul extinction) after all.

i sincerely pray it was a pleasant one.
---Cluny on 1/19/11


Pharisee, Evil spirits are not "dead people" like the clairvoyant sees in their crystal ball and table wrappings! They are satans angel who rebelled, pretending to be "departed souls" continuing satan's lie to Eve "You will not surely die"
No one has ever seen a soul depart from a body , because it doesn't happen!
All that leaves the body is your breath,air-pneuma/ruach translated spirit!
---1st_cliff on 1/17/11


"leej, Rev.6 like all Revelation is a "vision" not reality! How could he or anyone see a "soul"? the supposedly invisible part of man that escapes at death?"

God has made it possible for me to see evil spirits in visions Cliff, there's two ways to see one is the only way you know and accept, then there's seeing spiritually which has nothing to do with the vision your eyes take in. only the power of God can awaken that in a person.
---Pharisee on 1/17/11


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Death is not the end of us but the beginning. Death is something akin to a doorway or a opening. Once you pass through you will be extremely happy or extremely sad from that moment on for all eternity
---mima on 1/17/11


//Rev.6 like all Revelation is a "vision" not reality.

If visions are from God, then cannot we view them as reflecting reality?

Yes, I also do not trust people that claim to have visions, especially if their visions bring doctrines that are contrary to what the church has taught for centuries. Such is the case with Joseph Smith and Ellen White.

Col 2:18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind,
---leej on 1/17/11


\\Cluny, Jesus said "the time is coming when the "dead" will hear my voice and come forth" Not something "living"\\

In the context, Jesus clearly means the PHYSICALLY dead.

And therefore I stand by what I posted earlier.
---Cluny on 1/17/11


Bill willa, Paul said "absent from the body..." as a Pharisee they believed in the soul's immortality, not substantiated in scripture!
---1st_cliff on 1/17/11


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"We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5:8) So, after we die, we are "absent from the body" and therefore "noncorporeal". So the Bible speaks of death being "absent from the body". Why doesn't the Bible say "a continuation of life in a non-corporeal form"? I guess because it is simpler for people to understand "absent from the body" (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/17/11


leej, Rev.6 like all Revelation is a "vision" not reality! How could he or anyone see a "soul"? the supposedly invisible part of man that escapes at death?
Steven called out "receive my spirit" what does that mean, there are many definitions of "spirit" like being in "good spirits"!Or a "spirited horse"!etc..
---1st_cliff on 1/17/11


1st_cliff//**their souls(which never die or sleep)** There's not one scripture to support this belief!
**souls seperated from their bodies**= scripture??

Rev. 6:9-10 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:0 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

We never see soul sleeping any place in scripture.

Acts 7:59 And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Apparently the earliest church believed in a non-material part of man.
---leej on 1/16/11


Cluny, Jesus said "the time is coming when the "dead" will hear my voice and come forth" Not something "living"
Just "how" the dead hear His voice is beyond our comprehension.Why would you insist that something would have to be alive in order to come "alive??"
---1st_cliff on 1/16/11


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There must be SOMETHING that is conscious that survives physical death.

Otherwise, the son of the widow of Nain, the daughter of the synagogue president, and Lazarus would never have heard Jesus calling them back to this physical world and life.
---Cluny on 1/16/11


leej, **their souls(which never die or sleep)** There's not one scripture to support this belief!
Name one fire you've seen where there was **utter darkness**
**souls seperated from their bodies**= scripture??
---1st_cliff on 1/16/11


John 11:25 Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?

The Adventist has to say NO, NO, NO, we will all die (Unfortunately they will die in the sins if they continue to believe they can be righteous by works of the flesh.)

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

NO, NO, NO, says the Adventists, Christians will be judged in accordance to the law to see if they obeyed the 10 commandments.
---leej on 1/16/11


The traditional view of the state of one after death is as follows -

The bodies of men after death return to dust, and see corruption, but their souls, (which never die or sleep) having an immortal subsistence, immediately return to God who gave them. The souls of the righteous, being then made perfect in holiness, are received into the highest heavens where they behold the face of God in light and glory, waiting for the full redemption of their bodies, and the souls of the wicked are cast into hell, where they remain in torments and utter darkness, reserved to the judgment of the great day. Besides these 2 places for souls separated from their bodies, the Scripture acknowledges none.
(XXXII,1)

Sorry Jerry but no purgatory.
---leej on 1/16/11


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Jerry, there is life outside the SDA teachings. There is life in Christ, that is a spiritual life that never dies, are goes to sleep. The Spirit does not need sleep. Jesus said, you must be born again of the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 1/16/11


death is the end of our physical self. When the ressurection occurs then spiritually we will be made new bodies for the flesh can't enter Gods kingdom.
---Candice on 1/16/11


Where does it say it isn't?

You're playing the typical SDA strawman argument.
---Cluny on 1/16/11


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