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Have You Been With Jesus

How many of you have started a fast for 2011 (food, TV, wrong thinking, etc.)? If you have, have you gotten into the secret place to spend intimate time with Jesus (can people say you have been with Jesus)?

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 ---Leslie on 1/16/11
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\\Job 38:3... Gird up now thy loins like a man!!!
---John on 1/24/11\\

I have, and your efforts are rather puny.

Have you any comments about the use of PASCHA for the Resurrection of Christ or phonetic variants in European languages?
---Cluny on 1/24/11


YOU are beating up on US on this subject in various blogs.
---Cluny on 1/23/11


Job 38:3... Gird up now thy loins like a man!!!
---John on 1/24/11


\\But why these guys are beating up on Donna66 is beyond me. What she said is very true and very Christian.
---John on 1/23/11\\

Nobody is beating up on Donna, John.l

YOU are beating up on US on this subject in various blogs.
---Cluny on 1/23/11


EXCELLENT POINT ALAN!
(no need for me to add to that since I posted numerous times in this subject)

But why these guys are beating up on Donna66 is beyond me. What she said is very true and very Christian.
---John on 1/23/11


Donna66 ... We would most of us be only too happy to let John celebe]rate Easter.

The point is that John does not want to celebrate Easter, and condemns as pagans those of us who do.
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/22/11




Donna66-

It doesn't really bother me. I am simply pointing out a fact. BTW, Easter as celebrated by secularists is NOT what is celebrated in the Ancient Apostolic Churches of the East.

I do have a problem with John always equating the remembrance of the death and resurrection of Christ (Pascha) with pure evil paganism.

And I be as respectful as possible, but most here don't when it comes to Catholics/Orthodox. John for one is NOT respectful towards others here, especially us Orthodox.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/22/11


FWIW:

The following European languages have these names for the Resurrection of Christ, whether the people are Roman Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant:

French--PAQUES
Spanish--PASCUA (or Pascua Florida)
Italian--PASQUALE
Greek--PASChA
Russian--PASKhA
Romanian--PASCHA
Bulgarian--PASKhA
Latin--PASCHA

There are some accents that won't come through.
---Cluny on 1/22/11


Cluny-- //I thought this WAS a Christian site.//
It is.
So why don't you let John celebrate "Easter" (no matter the origin of the word)...You celebrate "Pascha" (has anyone tried to get you to do otherwise?) The Christian thing is to get along with a brother or correct him "gently" if he sins (Gal 6:1).
---Donna66 on 1/22/11


Ignatious (did I spell it wrong - sorry)

It would be much better if we did not attach so much to what 'denomination' we belong to (my parents are Orthodox, but I moved to the Anglican church, just out of personal preference). I am quite happy with you being Orthodox, there is no problem at all

But I think you are rather too hostile to non-Orthodox believers

Let us work together to see where, if anywhere, we disagree

To work as brothers in Christ
---Peter on 1/22/11


\\ If it bothers you so much the rest of us do not call the Death and Resurrection of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ "Pascha",\\

I thought this WAS a Christian site.

It's not bothering ME, Donna. It's bothering JOHN, even though I've pointed out that "Easter" is a Germanic word, and is used only in Germanic languages.
---Cluny on 1/22/11




ignatious -- This is not an Eastern Orthodox site. If it bothers you so much the rest of us do not call the Death and Resurrection of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ "Pascha", (Instead of Easter) then perhaps you should try to find another site on which to post.
On this blog you have to TRY to be respectful of theological differences.
---Donna66 on 1/21/11


"Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets, I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth. For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice, and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:5,6

"But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." Matthew 9:13
---christan on 1/22/11


Leslie:

You said: aka - You are WRONG. It is Biblical to fast from anything other than food - these things may be an area of struggle for some.

If so, could you please provide a biblical reference (chapter and verse) that shows someone giving up something other than food, and it being called a fast?

(I'm not saying that these things are wrong - just that I don't recall them being called "fasts" anywhere in the Bible).
---StrongAxe on 1/22/11


"In fact my mind is so clear that it remembers what true Christianity looks like. " (John)

Obviously not, for if you did in fact remember what true Christianity looks like, you would jump off your feet and become Orthodox.

Sorry, but true Christianity do not believe in other "pagan gods" like you do.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/21/11


Do you suffer from Alzheimer's Disease, John?
In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/21/11
Thank you for your concern Ignatius. In fact my mind is so clear that it remembers what true Christianity looks like. Which is the opposite of the pagan Ortho church.

The Catholics also call it Pascha

Unless you are telling me you celebrate The Passover of Judaism

Easter by any other name is still Easter
---John on 1/21/11


"Merry Christmas Cluny and have a Happy Easter Egg Hunt.
---John"

Eastern Orthodox Christians and other Eastern Christians do not have any Easter Egg Hunt. Where you got the idea that we did?

And FYI, the remembrance of the Death and Resurrection of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ is called Pascha in the Eastern Apostolic Churches. Easter (secular celebration) and Pascha are not the same thing.

Do you suffer from Alzheimer's Disease, John? We have told you this many times before.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/21/11


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\\Merry Christmas Cluny and have a Happy Easter Egg Hunt.
---John on 1/21/11\\

As I've told you repeatedly, Orthodox, Eastern Christians, and even most European languages call the Festival of Christ's Resurrection PASCHA or phonetic equivalent, from the Hebrew PESACH.

And I've already pointed out how eggs figure in the Jewish seder.

The Christian significance, originally, is that an egg was the last animal food eaten before the Lenten fast started, and the first food eaten to break it.

And you've not yet proven your point about Constantine starting these feasts.
---Cluny on 1/21/11


Which so far you've not done.

For example, you've not given ONE bit of proof that Constantine imposed the observance of Christmas or Easter.
---Cluny on 1/21/11

Merry Christmas Cluny and have a Happy Easter Egg Hunt.
---John on 1/21/11


\\Until I prove him wrong of course :)
---John on 1/20/11\\

Which so far you've not done.

For example, you've not given ONE bit of proof that Constantine imposed the observance of Christmas or Easter. All you've done is just repeated your allegation over and over. This is NOT proof.
---Cluny on 1/21/11


\\I recently got on Google's translator and found Cluny's pronunciation correct according to it.\\

As I said, it's not MY pronounciation.

It's the pronunciation used by those who really speak Greek use, as opposed to those relying on lexica.

I frequently try to give people a different way of looking at things, and hold up a mirror to some people showing how their own actions and attitude look.

As for the rest, may God forgive us all.
---Cluny on 1/20/11


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-Cluny is our resident expert here, he is always right...
---micha9344 on 1/19/11

Until I prove him wrong of course :)
---John on 1/20/11


I recently got on Google's translator and found Cluny's pronunciation correct according to it.
I have not gotten deep into accents yet, therefore I must apologize to you, Cluny, for my abrasiveness and gross error through my lack of knowlege and ask forgiveness.
I do see a lot of knowlege in you and always hope that you use it to the glory of God and not just to puff yourself or your church up above the rest.
I see passion in your comments, but I also see a bit of condemnation and arrogance. I could be reading this into your posts which makes me a judge as well, a place that I should not sit.
I send this in all honesty unto hopes of reflection and edification for all.
---micha9344 on 1/20/11


\\Even if the Greek Orthodox Church is in California, you must be right...
---micha9344 on 1/20/11\\

Of course, there are Greek Orthodox in California.

There's even a diocese established there.

And I'm glad you finally admit I'm right.
---Cluny on 1/20/11


Sure Cluny, whatever you say...
Even if the Greek Orthodox Church is in California, you must be right...
---micha9344 on 1/20/11


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//This is not how Greeks pronounce the word (nees STEV oh)--just another example of the many errors in Strong's lexica.//

that is very interesting, and also very helpful. you did not snipe my basic message, so that probably means that even though the pronunciation is wrong according to ???? lexica, the definition is similar. thanks for your round-about input.
---aka on 1/19/11


\\Ehh.. what do they know...
Cluny is our resident expert here, he is always right..\\

If anyone should know how Greek is pronounced, it should be Greek members of the Greek Orthodox Church, right?
---Cluny on 1/19/11


Thats funny, the elementary Greek I'm learning says 'eu'-'epsilon upsilon' sounds like the 'eu' in 'feud' and 'ne'- 'nu eta' sounds like 'nei' in 'neighbor'.
Ehh.. what do they know...
Cluny is our resident expert here, he is always right...
---micha9344 on 1/19/11


\\the word used sparingly in the nt is fast. nace-tyoo'-o\\

This is not how Greeks pronounce the word (nees STEV oh)--just another example of the many errors in Strong's lexica.

As far as sacrifice, people do what they can. For some, giving up TV time might be a big sacrifice.
---Cluny on 1/19/11


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leslie, however, i was wrong in a sense..

to give up tv time and stinkin' thinkin' is not sacrifice. it is called dying to Christ. canceling cable to have more for the poor is sacrifice.

if you are with others and fruit of the Spirit abounds, people may or may not have good words for you.
---aka on 1/18/11


leslie,

it is fine that you think i am wrong.

the word fast in the ot is tsoom - to cover over (the mouth), that is, to fast:

the word used sparingly in the nt is fast. nace-tyoo'-o to abstain from food (religiously): - fast. (btw-that the word that jesus used. so, please tell him he is wrong.)

it is a modern day device to use it for anything now.)

please tell me how you came to your conclusion.
---aka on 1/18/11


aka - You are WRONG. It is Biblical to fast from anything other than food - these things may be an area of struggle for some. ALL fasting is for becoming more like Jesus, so to give up ANYTHING (food, or other things) is considered a fast to God. When giving up wrong thinking - think more positivly and speak the Word like Jesus. When giving up TV, using that time in study in the Bible - becoming more like Jesus.
---Leslie on 1/18/11


abstinence from tv, wrong thinking, etc does not constitute a fast. abstaining from anything not food is called sacrifice.

abstaining from food is a fast, and is called upon by the Lord not as a self-improvement technique.

any other 'fast' is man made.
---aka on 1/17/11


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Isn't the secret place supposed to be a secret. If we answer you, it will no longer be a secret.

Scripture says we are to fast in private, so that nobody knows we are doing it.
---Trish9863 on 1/16/11


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