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Did Judas Iscariot partake of communion at the Last Supper?

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Rather, "remnant" mean faithful Israel.
---Cluny on 2/10/11

Interesting, sincerely. There are some other defining words like that too. Who are only found of Israel.
1. Redeemed...to buy back
2. Everlasting & for ever
3. Covenant
4.Chosen
5.Sheep
6.His people
7.Saved ones
8.Royal Priesthood
9.Lost Sheep
10.Inheritance
11.Married ones
12.Sanctified ones + plus another 124 title/names.
---Trav on 2/11/11


Something else, jerry.

"Remnant" is NEVER used in the Bible to refer to the Church, or even A church.

Rather, "remnant" mean faithful Israel.

And if by "prophet" you mean the false prophecies of Ellen G. White, then the SDA disqualifies itself by its own interpretation.

She WAS a false prophet, you know.
---Cluny on 2/10/11


\\Revelation defines the remnant church as keeping the Commandments and having a prophet. Can you name another current-day church that fulfils this description?\\

Prophecy has NEVER died out in Orthodoxy.

But who is the present SDA's living prophet?

In any case, does the SDA avoid lighting fires on the Sabbath?

Does the SDA avoid wearing blended fabrics?

How about hybridizing crops?

Does the SDA observe Pesach, Shavout, and Sukkoth, and possibly Purim?

If the SDA violates ANY of these, then it is VERY SELECTIVE about which commandments of God it keeps.
---Cluny on 2/10/11


\\1) In your posts decrying sola scriptura, ...\\

I never have. I have simply said that "sola scriptura" is a concept the Bible nowhere teaches.

\\6) \\

There is a difference between "Orthodoxy is the original church" (which is what I have actually said), and "Only Orthodox will be saved." I don't know why you can't figure out the difference.

But SDA DOES teach that the Roman Catholic Church is the Beast of Revelation, the US is the False Prophet with Sunday blue laws, and Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast.

The term "remnant church" is nowhere in the Bible, therefore Revelation cannot definite it as anything.
---Cluny on 2/10/11


Cluny: I have tried to answer your questions several times, but for some reason they keep getting blocked. I'm sure you've had the same experience.

1) In your posts decrying sola scriptura, you have invoked the authority of early church fathers as being equal or superior to the Bible.

6) The SDA church is one of the few to maintain that people from all denominations will populate heaven. Your "Orthodox is the only true church" stance seems to fit your assertions better than us. Revelation defines the remnant church as keeping the Commandments and having a prophet. Can you name another current-day church that fulfils this description?
---jerry6593 on 2/10/11




\\1) Do you believe that Church Fathers can overrule the Bible?\\

jerry, if you did not think that Church Fathers can overrule the Bible, why did you ask this question, clearly expecting a yes?

\\6) Do you believe that yours is the ONLY legitimate church?\\

If you do not believe this about the SDA, jerry, why are you a member of it, especially since your false prophetess EGW said that the SDA General Conference is God's supreme authority on earth to which all persons must submit?

Or, for that matter, since the SDA claims for itself the totally unbiblical title of "remnant church"?
---Cluny on 2/6/11


**Cluny: "what lies did I tell when I answered"

Nos. 1 and 6.
---jerry6593 on 2/5/11**

Are you saying that I lied when I said the ORTHODOX Church never said the teachings of the Fathers could trump the Bible? Or that I was lying when I said that you THINK we believed this?

Are you saying that I lied when I said that Orthodox believe we are the original church? I've never denied that.

But SDA requires its members to say they believe the SDA to be the "remnant church"--a phrase the Bible never uses.
---Cluny on 2/5/11


Cluny: "what lies did I tell when I answered"

Nos. 1 and 6.
---jerry6593 on 2/5/11


\\If you remove the lies and the tapdancing, you get 2/3.\\

jerry, what lies did I tell when I answered your loaded questions? Please be specific.

And, while I'm not placing myself on the spiritual level of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, when the Old Testament experts asked HIM a loaded question, demanding a simple "yes" or "no" answer, He said, "Render unto Caesar...."

Was He tapdancing around their question? Or giving the only proper answer?
---Cluny on 2/5/11


Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men [are], extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
---micha9344 on 2/4/11




\\If you remove the lies and the tapdancing, you get 2/3.\\

Not all questions can be answered with a simple "yes" or "no", especially when the questioner does not understand the matters he is asking about.

For example, you clearly do not understand what is really meant by the term "transubstantiation."
---Cluny on 2/4/11


\\Cluny: Is "Steve" one of your pseudonyms?

Where did you get the 1/3? If you remove the lies and the tapdancing, you get 2/3.

Better a Karite than \\

There were only TWO I gave an unqualified yes to.

i KNOW I did not answer "yes" to your question about transubstantiation.

Which four questions do you think I answered with a "yes"?

And I'm not a pagan sun worshipper, but you are a slanderer.
---Cluny on 2/4/11


Cluny: Is "Steve" one of your pseudonyms?

Where did you get the 1/3? If you remove the lies and the tapdancing, you get 2/3.

Better a Karite than a pagan sun worshipper.
---jerry6593 on 2/4/11


\\Steve: "In many languages the WORD Sunday MEANS Lord's Day" - OK, Name three.\\

Dominica--Latin--"The Lord's [day]" meaning sunday.

Kyriaki--Greek--Same thing.

Domingo--Spanish (from the Latin).

Dimanche--French (from the Latin)

And, for good measure, VOSKRESHENIE in Russian (literally "resurrection") is the word for Sunday.

Will this do, jerry?

BTW--better to be considered by you to be 1/3 Catholic than to really be ALL Karite Jewish.
---Cluny on 2/3/11


Steve: "In many languages the WORD Sunday MEANS Lord's Day" - OK, Name three.

"teanssustansiation [sic]: from the Bible" - No it's not. When the disciples questioned this "canabalism", Jesus explained that He was using a spiritual metaphor, as:

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

"we are TOLD to treat this [sic] who do us wrong" - Wrong! Mat 18:17 does not mention punishment, and the greek word translated "heathen man" is "ethnikos", elsewhere translated as Gentile.
---jerry6593 on 2/3/11


Cluny: "the Virgin was taken body and soul into heaven."

While you may still contend that tradition trumps the Bible, this statement is logically at odds with Jesus' dying command to John to care for His mother. Why should He bother to give John this command if He's taking His mother with Him?

If your interpretation of Paul's "I'm with you in spirit" metaphor is correct, then it contradicts scores of other scriptures. Do you hang all your beliefs on a single scripture, or do you not seek the totality of Scripture as devinely inspired?
---jerry6593 on 2/3/11


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\\jerry6593: Your comment about Ecc 9:5-6 is good

I just meant to tell Cluny that while it is POSSIBLE that Mary was taken (as he argues), like Enoch and Elijah (the two who did not die), we are not TOLD that in the Bible\\

The NT says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

The same tradition that gave jerry the Bible to which he appeals also says that the Virgin was taken body and soul into heaven.

But then, the Bible is only secondarily about Mary--or the Apostles, for that matter.
---Cluny on 2/2/11


jerry6593: Your comment about Ecc 9:5-6 is good

I just meant to tell Cluny that while it is POSSIBLE that Mary was taken (as he argues), like Enoch and Elijah (the two who did not die), we are not TOLD that in the Bible

So I dont think its true
---Peter on 2/2/11


Peter: "Is Mary alive in heaven now?"

Ecc 9:5,6 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished, neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.
---jerry6593 on 2/2/11


Cluny: (3) Is Mary alive in heaven now?

It is not written in the Bible

That does not, of course, mean it is untrue - it just means I do not have any reason to think so. Msaaybe you are right - I just don't know
---Peter on 2/1/11


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1) We don't, but YOU think we do.

2) Do you believe that Sunday is the Lord's Day?

ALL days are the Lord's day.

3) Yes.

4) Transubstantiation is a way of explaining HOW the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ. For the Orthodox, it's an open question. We simply call it "the change."

5) Only to excommunicated them, and not beyond that.

6) Yes, but you believe the same thing about your sect.

So there were only two questions I answered affirmitively.

So much for your test.
---Cluny on 2/1/11


jerry6593: You are not applying scripture very well:

2) In many languages the WORD Sunday MEANS Lord's Day - I take it John means that in Revelation

4) teanssustansiation: from the Bible: THIS IS MY BODY/THIS IS MY BLOOD

Doesn't that mean the same thing you claim is unBiblical?

5) Punish heretics: we are TOLD to treat this who do us wrong, even those in the church, as 'a heathen man', if they do not repent

So half (3 of 6) of your claims, what you view as the Catholic view is BASED on scripture

You are just one more who beleives, without even thinknig 'if its Catholic, its wrong', and never looks at scripture
---Steve on 2/1/11


Cluny, Iggy: Here's a checklist to see if you're a follower of Catholic doctrine or not. If you are indeed a closet Catholic, you'll answer Yes to most of these questions:

1) Do you believe that Church Fathers can overrule the Bible?

2) Do you believe that Sunday is the Lord's Day?

3) Do you believe that the Virgin Mary is alive and living in heaven?

4) Do you believe in transubstantiation?

5) Do you agree that the Church has authority to punish heretics?

6) Do you believe that yours is the ONLY legitimate church?

So, how many YES answers did you get?
---jerry6593 on 2/1/11


"But then again, I don't worship the pope and Jesus' mother as you do either." (Jerry)

No one does that here. However, it is clear that, from past posts, you worship Ellen G White. So what does that make you?

Better to honor/respect Christ' Mother, the Theotokos, then that old wrack job. She was not even half of the women that the Virgin Mary was.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/30/11


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\\ I don't worship the pope and Jesus' mother as you do either.
---jerry6593 on 1/30/11\\

I never said I did, either.

I've repeatedly said that I'm ORTHODOX, and not Roman Catholic, though apparently the difference is too subtle for you to grasp.
---Cluny on 1/30/11


Cluny: "But then, the SDA really doesn't, either"

This one does. But then again, I don't worship the pope and Jesus' mother as you do either.
---jerry6593 on 1/30/11


\\There it is again - No scripture, just THE OPINIONS OF MEN!

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.\\

Following the Bible itself, Orthodoxy has never believed in Sola Scriptura.

But then, the SDA really doesn't, either.
---Cluny on 1/29/11


In Luke 22:21 'but behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table' (Jesus said that at the passover meal)

This implies that Judas iscariot was there, though we are not specifically told that he partook. but sine the other did partake, and we are not told Judas did not, I would assume he did
---Peter on 1/29/11


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Listen, I don't care one way or the other, but if EGW was in a coma, she had a brain injury (which may occur by way of a blow to the nose). If she wasn't, then we don't know if she had a brain injury or not.What effect a brain injury might have had on her nobody knows. Sometimes brain injuries have such minimal effects that they hardly even matter.
---Donna66 on 1/29/11


Cluny: "Just 2000 years of Orthodox interpretation "

There it is again - No scripture, just THE OPINIONS OF MEN!

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
---jerry6593 on 1/28/11


Micha, I agree with your answers very much. First, that Judas Iscariot was at the Last Supper, and Second that Jerry begins to slander other by mocking them and refuses to give Cluny and Ignatius any respect whatsoever. I disagree with many here so my name has taken also a beating, it doesn't seem to bother me much, but when my family is included it does bother my Spirit very much and it takes a while for me to get over that. I really need help from God in that area. Thanks for bringing that up.
---Mark_V. on 1/27/11


"She never did - it was a nose injury" (Jerry)

In which she fell to the ground, and became unconsciousness for three weeks (indeed she suffer a dramatic blow to the head from her fall). After awakening, she had no recollection of what occurred, and it was after this that she started to "see" visions and claim to talk to God and Angels. Of course, the evidence shows that she was possessed with a divination spirit. Her accident left her mentally unstable.

Come on Jerry, you should know the whole story about the head (founder) of your bizarre church.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/26/11


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\\First, there is no conclusive evidence to proof that the two witnesses in Revelation are Enoch and Elijah.\\

Just 2000 years of Orthodox interpretation and understanding of the passage.

However, what does this have to do with the original question?
---Cluny on 1/26/11


MarkV: Excellent post! It's good to see a sense of biblical balance instead of outlandish assertions such as "the two witnesses were Enoch and Elijah". I believe that a thorough study of Rev 11 shows that the two witnesses symbolically represent the Bible - the Old and New Testaments - which went underground for the 1260 years of the dark ages, were filled with the Holy Spirit (olive oil, candelstick light), and were banned and burned for the 3 1/2 years of the French Revolution.

I'd like to see Cluny explain how all these symbols fit two MEN who were translated to heaven.
---jerry6593 on 1/27/11


First, there is no conclusive evidence to proof that the two witnesses in Revelation are Enoch and Elijah. Second, it is the norm that "It is appointed man to die once and then the judgment"/
But what happen to Enoch and Elijah was not the norm, and just because the passage states that it is appointed for man to die once, does not mean both Enoch and Elijah have to die. For they were an exception to that rule. Second, many people were brought back from the dead by Jesus and those people had to die twice, which is not the norm for them either. This of course is true since we cannot possibly believe they are still alive now after 2,000 years waiting for the Second Coming.
---Mark_V. on 1/26/11


\\You even made the connection to your lies about EGW having a head injury. [She never did - it was a nose injury. Or are your own brains in your noses? That would explain a lot!]\\

Actually, I've said elsewhere that it was a rock to her FACE, not her head. (But do you think her face and nose were elsewhere than her head, perhaps on her elbow?)

However she WAS unconscious for about three weeks (like the other psychic and medium Edgar Cayce).

And in both cases the walk-in religious spirit of divination walked in, and they deceived many.
---Cluny on 1/26/11


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It was not only a nose injury, she was in a coma...
Cluny and Ignatius do have their user names and it would only be respectful to use their names properly.
Is this what Adventists teach? mockery and name calling?
As far as the blog question, I do believe Judas Iscariot partook, as a previous post stated, to his own condemnation.
---micha9344 on 1/26/11


Clueless & Iggy: You guys are too easy! The rock-head comment worked better than expected. You even made the connection to your lies about EGW having a head injury. [She never did - it was a nose injury. Or are your own brains in your noses? That would explain a lot!]

And, Clueless even got the Cretan-cretin word play - I'm impressed!
---jerry6593 on 1/26/11


\\"Sounds like you follow some Orthodox/Catholic Cretan nut case who hit his head on a rock" (Jerry)

On the subject of head injuries, don't you follow Ellen G. White who suffered a head injury in her childhood, and in which she went psychotic after wards?\

I think the word jerry is looking for is "cretin."

But notice that he cannot deny my statement. He only mocks it.
---Cluny on 1/25/11


{Jerry considering that both Elijah and Enoch were men the following verse would necessarily apply to them. And so you have scripture proof.
Hebrews 9:27,"27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"-mima on 1/23/11}
Does Cluny have tp provide scripture support when someone else already has?
---micha9344 on 1/25/11


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//Elijah and Enoch still have to face physical death.
---Cluny on 1/22/11 //

Scriptural support, PRETTY please
---francis on 1/25/11


"Sounds like you follow some Orthodox/Catholic Cretan nut case who hit his head on a rock" (Jerry)

On the subject of head injuries, don't you follow Ellen G. White who suffered a head injury in her childhood, and in which she went psychotic after wards?

Boy you have some nerve making fun of a true luminary of the Church, a great hierarcha theologian, teacher and hymnographer.

Aren't you being a little hypocritical here boy? Clean the dirt of your eyes before trying to clean the eyes of a another.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/25/11


--They are the two witnesses in Revelation who will be killed by Antichrist.
---Cluny on 1/23/11

Doesnt seem too far fetched.. They were the only 2 men to never taste of death.
---CraigA on 1/25/11


Clueless Cluny: "St. Andrew of Crete written in the 500's."

That's your scriptural support???

Sounds like you follow some Orthodox/Catholic Cretan nut case who hit his head on a rock. Definitely NOT scripture! Good grief!
---jerry6593 on 1/25/11


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\\You are way off in a secret rapture fantasy.
---jerry6593 on 1/24/11\\

As a matter of fact, I have said repeatedly that there's no such thing as a pre-trib rapture.

That Enoch and Elijah are the two witnesses of Revelation has been taught from the earliest times, as can be seen in the commentary on the book by St. Andrew of Crete written in the 500's.
---Cluny on 1/24/11


\\//Elijah and Enoch still have to face physical death.
---Cluny on 1/22/11 //

Scriptural support, please.
---jerry6593 on 1/23/1\\

They are the two witnesses in Revelation who will be killed by Antichrist.
---Cluny on 1/23/11...........SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT PLEASE!!!
---John on 1/24/11


Cluny: You call that scriptural support? Where does the Bible say that Enoch and Elijah (by name) will be killed or that these two translated, immortal, beloved of God men (by name) are in fact the two witnesses of Revelation? You are way off in a secret rapture fantasy.
---jerry6593 on 1/24/11


\\//Elijah and Enoch still have to face physical death.
---Cluny on 1/22/11 //

Scriptural support, please.
---jerry6593 on 1/23/1\\

They are the two witnesses in Revelation who will be killed by Antichrist.
---Cluny on 1/23/11


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Jerry considering that both Elijah and Enoch were men the following verse would necessarily apply to them. And so you have scripture proof.


Hebrews 9:27,"27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"
---mima on 1/23/11


//Elijah and Enoch still have to face physical death.
---Cluny on 1/22/11 //

Scriptural support, please.
---jerry6593 on 1/23/11


"Elijah and Enoch still have to face physical death."
Cluny
Whoa... What has physical death got to do with a snaching/catching away
(Rapture)?
Maybe this is where you are confused.
---Elder on 1/22/11


\\"...is that the worst thing that can happen to me?"
Cluny
Nah, that's yet to come.\\

Is dying for Christ during the Tribulation the worst thing that can happen to me? As long as Jesus tarries, we will all face physical death.

\\"...there is no such thing as the Pre-Tribulation Rapture."
Ignatius
Since there have been Pre-Tribulation raptures that have all ready occured how do you feel about a mid-trib rapture?\\

There has never been and never will be any pre-trib raptures.

Noah and his family were not "raptured". The were protected DURING the flood.

Elijah and Enoch still have to face physical death.
---Cluny on 1/22/11


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"...is that the worst thing that can happen to me?"
Cluny
Nah, that's yet to come.
"...there is no such thing as the Pre-Tribulation Rapture."
Ignatius
Since there have been Pre-Tribulation raptures that have all ready occured how do you feel about a mid-trib rapture?
---Elder on 1/22/11


Thanks, Darlene. You are the only one who directly answered the blog question with scripture. Very refreshing. Meanwhile, others are off extoling the virtues of various orthodoxies and the nuances of secret rapture theories.

And for what it's worth: Yes, Elder IS funny!
---jerry6593 on 1/22/11


"Why? Because you say so?" (Elder)

No, because Holy Scriptures and the Ancient Christians said so. Sorry that God's word disagree with your tradition of men.

"At the Rapture you can have my notes. Read them, you'll have nothing else to do."

I won't need them, since there is no such thing as the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. But thanks any way!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/21/11


"...heresy of the Pre-Trib Rapture, you had zero clue about Orthodoxy."
Ignatius
Why? Because you say so? Just because you don't understand doesn't mean that others don't. At the Rapture you can have my notes. Read them, you'll have nothing else to do.
"Not only that, but you'll learn how God's Word is truly used in worship and you'll see it in action."
Cluny
I've all ready seen enough by the posts you two try to mislead people with.
Or are you "Two" the same one?
---Elder on 1/21/11


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\\"Are either or both of you tools for the Greek Orthodox Church? Just asking." (Elder)\\

I've mentioned elsewhere that "Greek Orthodox" means you're either an ethnic Greek or attend such a parish.

Most converts such as myself prefer to use the term "Orthodox" without any ethnic label.

And if God wishes to use me as an instrument (or tool if you prefer) for His only Orthodox Church, is that the worst thing that can happen to me?
---Cluny on 1/21/11


I have attended a number of Byzantine liturgies. The one I enjoyed most was in Arabic, at the Melkite Byzantine Catholic Church of St. Anne in North Hollywood. :-)
---John.usa on 1/21/11


"Ignatius & Cluny what makes either one or both of you think I haven't?"

A while back when we were discussing the heresy of the Pre-Trib Rapture, you had zero clue about Orthodoxy. So you attended a Orthodox parish since we last talked? Which one? Which jurisdiction was it? Love to hear your heavenly experience. Do tell Elder.....

"Are either or both of you tools for the Greek Orthodox Church? Just asking." (Elder)

No. I belong to a Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia Parish. Although I love worshiping with my Greek Orthodox Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/21/11


\\ If you not afraid, then attend a Divine Liturgy and hear/experience God's word (all of it).\\

Not only that, but you'll learn how God's Word is truly used in worship and you'll see it in action.
---Cluny on 1/21/11


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"....then attend a Divine Liturgy..."
Ignatius
Ignatius & Cluny what makes either one or both of you think I haven't?
Are either or both of you tools for the Greek Orthodox Church? Just asking.
---Elder on 1/21/11


"Are there any locked doors in the Greek Orthodox Church?" (Elder)

Why don't you find out. There should be a Greek Orthodox parish or any other canonical Orthodox parish in your area. If you not afraid, then attend a Divine Liturgy and hear/experience God's word (all of it).

Don't worry Elder, we don't bite.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/20/11


\\Are there any locked doors in the Greek Orthodox Church?
If so does the Head Monk have Monk keys???

---Elder on 1/20/11\\

I'll bet you think you're being witty, and you might be half right.
---Cluny on 1/20/11


Whatever Judas Iscariot did, God had it all planned out in advance.
---John.usa on 1/20/11


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Are there any locked doors in the Greek Orthodox Church?
If so does the Head Monk have Monk keys???

---Elder on 1/20/11


BTW, mima, from what do you derive your teaching of Scripture alone, faith alone, and grace alone, since the Bible itself doesn't say these things at all?

Something else: "Greek Orthodox" means you're in the Greek Archidiocese. Not all Orthodox are Greek.
---Cluny on 1/19/11


\\The believe in Scripture alone, faith alone, grace alone, and Christ alone is missing in the Eastern Orthodox Church. As a monk in the Greek Orthodox Church do you believe this statement adequately describes your church?\\

I don't know how Protestants get away with four different "alones", as this slogan goes you are quoting.

Of course, when people reject the Creed, they have to substitute slogans for it.

If you really want to know what Orthodox believe, read the Nicene Creed.
---Cluny on 1/19/11


It would seem that Judas received Communion unto his own condemnation, as the Bible teaches can happen.
---Cluny on 1/18/11

Hey that was good.

I think judas is Judah...by representation. Judah, for 2,000 years has done no less and much more.
---Trav on 1/19/11


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John 13:26,27 He it is to whom I shall give a sop,when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop,he gave it to Judas Iscariot,the son of Simon. And after the sop,Satan entered into him. That thou doest doeth quickly. It appears Judas did partake of all the activities that night,except the foot washing after supper,for he didn't leave immediately until after given the sop by Christ at supper and supper was ended.
---Darlene_1 on 1/19/11


Cluny here's a description of the Greek Orthodox Church that I found on the Internet. The believe in Scripture alone, faith alone, grace alone, and Christ alone is missing in the Eastern Orthodox Church. As a monk in the Greek Orthodox Church do you believe this statement adequately describes your church?
---mima on 1/19/11


This post made a school boy out of me, and after short consideration I totally agree"It would seem that Judas received Communion unto his own condemnation, as the Bible teaches can happen."
---Cluny on 1/18/11

---mima on 1/19/11


It would seem that Judas received Communion unto his own condemnation, as the Bible teaches can happen.
---Cluny on 1/18/11


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Even if Judas ate the bread and drank from the cup, he was not *in* communion. "And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were

called in one body,

and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15) Our real communion, I consider comes with being submissive to God in His love's peace so perfectly beautifully pure in Heaven's pleasant quality of rest, and this has us sharing "in one body" with all the others obeying this. So, we could ask if we ourselves are *in* such communion while eating the "communion". "'And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.'" (Mark 11:25)
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/18/11


Nah, he phoned out for Pizza.
---Elder on 1/18/11


Yes.

As we sing during Holy Week, the Lord Jesus didn't drive him away from the table at the Mystical Supper, did He?
---Cluny on 1/18/11


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