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If you were standing in front of God on Judgment Day and He asked you why He should let you in what would you say?

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First, there is what the Bible says. Without holiness, no one will see the Lord > Hebrews 12:14 > "Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:" He will see if I have become "holy and without blame before Him in love." (in Ephesians 1:4) And Jesus can smell if I am a sheep or a goat: if I am his sheep, I now have "the fragrance of Christ" (2 Corinthians 2:14-15) making me pleasing to God. What I tell Him won't matter, but how I smell will tell (c: Also, being pleasing to God includes having His love's "incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (in 1 Peter 3:4) This is basic.
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/26/11


kathr: "THEN Jesus died on a cross, and DID AWAY with SIN once and for all."

Uhh, have you looked around lately? Sin is still here!

Jesus paid the penalty for sin - once and for all - for those who accept it. But, there's still plenty of sin in my neighborhood, and even some on this website proclaim their "right to continue in sin".
---jerry6593 on 1/26/11


James L, you really surprised me with your questions and answers. I believe you went too far when you included the Lord Jesus Christ, who is really God, and came into this world as a man, that He should be a sinner because He came incarnated as a man. First, Christ was not born of original sin. He is from everlasting. Man born of Adam are condemned already, the Son of Man was not born from Adam, so was not Condemned already as man is from Adam. So to include Him with sinful man is very wrong just to proof a point. You could find another reason to argue with Leej, but using Christ as your instrument is not right. At least to me. I suppose you can if you want, but you could have used another argument, excluding Christ.
---Mark_V. on 1/26/11


\\James_L, like I stated previously.\\
---leej on 1/25/11

I know what you sated previously. And I also know that you haven't stated. You still haven't stated how you reconcile your original sin doctrine with sinless man.

Do you believe ALL MEN are sinners at birth? YES

Do you believe Jesus is a man? if yes, then you believe Jesus is a sinner.

Do you believe Jesus is a sinner? if no, then you don't believe Jesus is a man.

The only way to reconcile Jesus being a sinless man is that YOUR DOCTRINE IS GOOFY

Still waiting for your exegesis on Romans 7:9 too. Oh, yeah. From scripture, not WCF bobbleheads
---James_L on 1/25/11


James_L, like I stated previously, I believe the Lord gave us teachers that we may come into greater understanding of His word.

While you chose to ignore them preferring your own stupidity, I am not an arrogant fool that thinks he knows everyone but one that is teachable and has gained much from what others have taught.

A verses that probably fits you very well -

Pr 18:2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.

Sorry but it is doubtful that anyone could teach you anything that is useful.
---leej on 1/25/11




//If you believe every man is a sinner because Adams sinned, then your version of Jesus must have been a sinner. Either that, or He was not "fully man".

The Jesus I believe in and know from personal experience is the one mentioned in Scripture that never has sinned.

2Co 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

As for others, Scripture is very clear that 'all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God'. Romans 3,23.

Sorry you refuse to believe what the church has taught for centuries.

Perhaps when you yourself become a Christian, you will believe in the truth as found in Scripture otherwise you may remain a fool.
---leej on 1/25/11


leej,
I don't even know where to start. You are mess, son.

Anybody can plagiarize Barnes' notes. He had a great way of saying nothing. The only person who ever said "nothing" better was Matthew Henry

But where is your explanation of "I was once alive" ???

What's your take on "apart from the Law" ???

How do you interpret "when the commandment came" ???

Where is your comment on "sin became alive" ???

Teach me what Paul meant when he said "and I DIED"
---James_L on 1/25/11


\\I read lots of books and instead of offering you an opinion, I often quote from them.\\ leej

What? you quote books full of opinions, but you don't see that as offering opinion?

Forgive me for not taking into account my weaker brothers in Christ.\\ leej

Weaker? Can you demonstrate my inability to live a life of liberty? Or do you not know what a "weaker" brother is?

Plus, you didn't offer any explanation for Jesus. Is He a sinful Christ, or a sinless non-man? or is you doctrine messed up?

Philosophicate for us, brother.

Maybe Barnes, Clarke, or Gill or Henry might have an answer.

Gee, maybe they forgot to think through all of the ramifications of that vain philosophy.
---James_L on 1/25/11


James_L

Ro 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

In Pauls previous state as an unbeliever, he had a certain kind of peace, deeming himself to be secure, at peace with himself with no conflict of conscience as he was careful to observe the law.

He deemed himself to be righteous, depending on his own works, and esteeming himself to be blameless, (#Php 3:4-6 Ac 23:1 26:4,5).

But that peace disappeared when he was brought under conviction of sin.

He was unacquainted with is spiritual and holy nature. He aimed at external conformity, its claim on his heart were unfelt.

This, however, is the self-confident sinner and of every one who is unawakened.
---leej on 1/25/11


James_L //You obviously know very little outside of what your precious WCF teaches. Poor excuse for a scholar, you are.

I rather doubt you would appreciate any document that is fully based on Scripture. The Westminster Confession of Faith is available with full Scriptural backing.

As for being a scholar, my background is that of a professional research analyst, having taught subjects as the graduate level. I read lots of books and instead of offering you an opinion, I often quote from them.

Forgive me for not taking into account my weaker brothers in Christ.
---leej on 1/25/11




\\Suggest you pick up a good book on what Christians believe at your local bookstore as obviously you have very little knowledge of these subjects.\\
---leej on 1/24/11

\\However, the church has always held that we are born into sin.\\
---leej on 1/25/11

leej,
I suggest you pick up a book on the damaging effects Gnosticism had on the early church.

You may know what Augustine and his Reformation drones spouted, but I see you offered no scriptural rebuttal to Paul's words that he was once alive without the Law, then when the Law came sin became alive and he DIED.

You obviously know very little outside of what your precious WCF teaches. Poor excuse for a scholar, you are.
---James_L on 1/25/11


Oh, great scholar.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You have proven that you dont read all that well, either:

\\My reply was to James who believed babies are born sinless.\\
---leej on 1/25/11

You got a quote for that? didn't think so.

Here is what I wrote:
\\francis,
no, we are not born sinners.\\

Rom 5:13
"but sin is not imputed when there is no Law."

Rom 7:9
I was once alive apart from the Law, BUT WHEN THE COMMANDMENT CAME, sin became alive and I DIED.

Scriptural rebuttal, o great one?
---James_L on 1/25/11


Thank you Kathryn, it appears that you are starting to understand these things.

---leej on 1/25/11


Leej, just more condescending rhetoric!
---kathr4453 on 1/25/11


oh, great leej,

If you believe that every man is a sinner because Adams sinned, then your version of Jesus must have been a sinner. Either that, or He was not "fully man".

Which is it, teacher? Can't have your cake and eat it, too.

We all deserve to hear you insights on that one.
---James_L on 1/25/11


//Isn't it great LEEJ , you a GENTILE can get in on the action, and have your SIN washed away, put away IN CHRIST!!!!

Thank you Kathryn, it appears that you are starting to understand these things.

My reply was to James who believed babies are born sinless.

But that is a belief shared by many. Ever read the book series Left Behind?- all the babies disappeared at the rapture event.
---leej on 1/25/11


Leej, why the condescending rhetoric?

I believe in ORIGINAL SIN. And because of original sin, death passed down to everyone.

Then God showed through Adam Eve and Abel, what it was to COVER SIN.

THEN God instituted the LAW and showed again not only the shedding of blood-bulls and goats, but it was LIMITED and lasted 1 year.

THEN Jesus died on a cross, and DID AWAY with SIN once and for all.

Not only is it NOT LIMITED to 1 year, it's not limited to Jews either.

Isn't it great LEEJ , you a GENTILE can get in on the action, and have your SIN washed away, put away IN CHRIST!!!!

Who's talking about RCC, or SDA's, Ellen White, Mohamed Alli, or Mormons ?

Those remarks make you look senile!
---kathr4453 on 1/25/11


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45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural, and afterward that which is spiritual.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy, the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.


Will you be raised CORRUPTABLE or INCORRUPTABLE?
---kathr4453 on 1/25/11


Kathr4453 //Sin was not imputed, however man still SINNED and Noah's flood proved it did.
Now God ADDED the Law that SIN would abound....YEP! Go figure!

Ga 3:22 But the Scriptures declare that we are all prisoners of sin, so we receive Gods promise of freedom only by believing in Jesus Christ.

Sin WAS IMPUTED from Adam to his progeny.

If you were a Roman Catholic, you would believe in "original sin" which would be removed upon baptism by water - which to them would be your spiritual rebirth.

However, the church has always held that we are born into sin.

Suppose you will ever understand the basics of God's word?
---leej on 1/25/11


Mark V and james:
then those who do not know the law of God: Buddist, Hindus, Toaists, and the like are not sinners.
So why do they not deserve life?
---francis on 1/24/11


//no, we are not born sinners.

Not in the least true, since the sin nature of Adam & Eve was passed downward to their progeny.

This has been a doctrinal belief of the church since ancient times.

Children were born in Adam and all will die eventually.

1 Cor. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Suggest you pick up a good book on what Christians believe at your local bookstore as obviously you have very little knowledge of these subjects.
---leej on 1/24/11


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MarkV, sin did not lay DORMANT from Adam to Moses. Sin was not imputed, however man still SINNED and Noah's flood proved it did.
Now God ADDED the Law that SIN would abound....YEP! Go figure!

He wanted ALL, including Jews to KNOW just how sinful all mankind was, so that HIS GRACE would abound above and beyond all the sin in the world.

You see, there is no LIMIT to God's Grace....it MORE abounds that all the sin in the whole universe!! Ya just can't cap it!!!!

Now don't get any silly ideas YOU can continue to SIN that Grace AKA Forgiveness of sin will abound....
---kathr4453 on 1/24/11


If our salvation depended upon us (Arminians like Kathryn & CraigA believe it does), then we might as well give up and plead God's mercy. What alternative is there?
---leej on 1/23/11

There ya go again leej making false accusations. I am not Arniniam. But I know you know that, you just like to use the word as a dirty word. Shame on you!!!

LeeJ, as I stated before I cannot shed my own blood and do away with my sin. Jesus DID THAT FOR US. The reason God can extend His mercy is because Jesus blood was sprinkled once and for all on the Mercy seat in Heaven.
ANYONE now can come to God through Christ.

I'll bet your WCF says NOTHING about the Blood of Christ does it? I didn''t think so!!
---kathr4453 on 1/24/11


Genesis 43:9
I will be surety for him, of my hand shalt thou require him: if I bring him not unto thee, and set him before thee, then let me bear the blame for ever:

Hebrews 7:22
22By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.


For those who may need a lawyer on Judgement day....
---kathr4453 on 1/24/11


Francis, here is what scripture says,
"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned." ( Rom. 5:12,13 ).
Sin came through Adam, but was dormant, dead as far as the person was concern, "but sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desires" ( Rom. 7:8 ),Once the person knew about the law, the sinner's rebellious nature finds the forbidden thing more attractive, not because it is inherently attractive, but because it furnishes an opportunity to assert one's self-will. Sin uses the specific requirements of the law as a base of operation from which to launch it evil work.
---Mark_V. on 1/24/11


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francis,
no, we are not born sinners. Paul wrote:
"I was once alive apart from the Law, but when the caommandment came, sin became alive and I died." (Rom 7:9)

What did he mean that he died? That a corpse wrote scripture?

No. He was saying when he understood the Law, he died spiritually.

We did not inherit a sinful spirit from Adam, we inherited a siful body. Romans 5 teaches that Christ paid to redeem the body of every person ever born (5:18)

But we are responsible for our own sin:

"The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity..." (Ezek 18:20)
---James_L on 1/23/11


When you clean out your house, there are some things that you toss in the trash, they do not deserve to be kept.
Not so with human beings, they are the crown of Gods creatiion. Everything God made he said was good, but man, he said was VERY GOOD.
And so even if man sinned, God thought man deserved LIFE. If God thought man deserved death, he would not have sent his son to die. No one would die for anything or anyone who did not deserve life. But God did it, because man deserved it, not that man had earned it.
We need to stop putting our selfves down. We mean something to God.
WE ARE:
Deuteronomy 32:10 the apple of his eye. ms 100:3 the sheep of his pasture 2 Corinthians 4:7 his treasure in earthen vessels, Malachi 3:17 his jewels,
---francis on 1/23/11


Sin is still in the world (do you not have eyes that can see?) but is not counted toward those who have been granted faith in Christ.
---leej on 1/23/11


leej, you missed the whole point...COVERED verses DONE AWAY.

The reason your sin is not put on your account, is because it was Put on Christ.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/11


Sin is defined as "transgression of the law" (I John 3:4). When a baby is born and left with his own devises, he becomes feral. As the baby grows, he is taught they way he should go. If the parents teaches the child in the ways of God then the child has a choice - to obey or not to obey. Does a baby have the ability to obey or not obey? Does the baby know and understand the consequences? The baby does not bear the inquity of the parents.

When the parent is baptised into the Kingdom of God then the child and the household is automatically baptised.
---Steveng on 1/23/11


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we're not talking about innocent babies here, we're talking about sinners.
---James_L on 1/23/11

Yes we are talking about sinners. But once that baby is born, is he or she not born a sinner?
What does ittake to be a sinner if not birth?
Dogs bark not to prove they are dogs, but because they are dogs.
Cows moo not to prove they are cows, but because they are cows.
Man sin not to pove he is a sinner, but because he is a sinner.
None of us could help it, because of adams sin we are born as sinners.
My View ( and i accept your disagreements) Is that because we could not help but be borne as sinners is that we deserve live, not that we have earned it
---francis on 1/23/11


When you clean out your house, there are some things that you toss in the trash, they do not deserve to be kept.
Not so with human beings, they are the crown of Gods creatiion. Everything God made he said was good, but man, he said was VERY GOOD.
And so even if man sinned, God thought man deserved LIFE. If God thought man deserved death, he would not have sent his son to die. No one would die for anything or anyone who did not deserve life. But God did it, because man deserved it, not that man had earned it.
We need to stop putting our selfves down. We mean something to God.
WE ARE:
Deuteronomy 32:10 the apple of his eye. ms 100:3 the sheep of his pasture 2 Corinthians 4:7 his treasure in earthen vessels, Malachi 3:17 his jewels,
---francis on 1/23/11


Kathryn //Interestingly John the Baptist said, " Behold the Lamb of God who TAKES AWAY the sin of the world.

Sin is still in the world (do you not have eyes that can see?) but is not counted toward those who have been granted faith in Christ.
---leej on 1/23/11


//you seem to be one who is ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth yourself.

And what truth is that? - that God is sovereign and can do whatever He wishes with His creation?

Or is it that salvation is wholly of God?

As for the Elect,

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
Eph. 1:3-6

Ever study Ephesians? Or is your religion philosophy enough for you?

---leej on 1/23/11


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God made the law so you would know you are sin filled!
Believe me, we are!

He said anyone who believe in me and is baptized will be saved.
He also said no one can come to me, unless the father draws him.
Many of you say you believe! But believe me, have no idea what he's saying.
He gives you a gift, but you use it to uplift yourselves.
Not understanding the gift or him.

Many people all over the world feel they understand and are saved!
But if what I understand, is! This is not the case.
You're not looking at it the way you should be!

He said Mat 17:20, have you understood, have you done this?
Hope I'm wrong.
God bless!
---TheSeg on 1/23/11


There are 3 sources of man's sinfulness - the world, the flesh & the devil.

While you are in the flesh, you will continue to sin. Even Paul stated in Romans 7:18 -

For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.

So while we may strive to please God by our behavior, we need remind ourselves that the righteousness that really counts in our salvation is that of Christ, not our own.

If our salvation depended upon us (Arminians like Kathryn & CraigA believe it does), then we might as well give up and plead God's mercy. What alternative is there?
---leej on 1/23/11


leej, you seem to be one who is ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth yourself.

Interestingly John the Baptist said, " Behold the Lamb of God who TAKES AWAY the sin of the world."

Sin is DONE AWAY in Christ.

If you're still in your sin, it really doesn't matter what day of the week any of you worship or call a sabbath. Wouldn't that be majoring in the minors?
---kathr4453 on 1/23/11


Peter: " is sin always wilful, or does our 'still sinful' part of our nature tempt us"

Yes, to be counted as sin it must be a wilful act. Our sinful nature only describes our desire (Bible = lust) for that which is sinful, and Satan tempts us to sin, as he did Christ. But temptation is not sin. We have the choice whether to obey Satan or the voice of the Holy Spirit. When we REALLY give our hearts to Christ, He gives us the POWER to obey - the power to resist and overcome the temptation. Sadly, many Christians don't think that they are engaged in spiritual warfare, and readily give their wills over to the enemy. They are traitors to the cause of Christ.
---jerry6593 on 1/23/11


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\\James_
Whan a baby is born do they dererve to have food, shelter, and clothing?
Have they done anything to earn it?\\
---francis on 1/22/11

francis,
we're not talking about innocent babies here, we're talking about sinners.

You should have asked a more appropriate question like:
Do convicted murderers deserve to have breakfast in bed? Not at all.

Same with salvation. What we deserve is punishment for the sins we have committed. nothing else. That's why grace is grace. underserved favor.
---James_L on 1/23/11


LEEJ you have it wrong.
Daniel 7:10 the judgment was set, and the books were opened. Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

So you can have your SINS blotted out, or your NAME blotted out.

Hebrews 9:12 by ( NOT WITH)his own blood he entered in once into the HOLY PLACE Hebrews 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these,
Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
---francis on 1/22/11


Jerry //you seem to think you have been given a permanent, irrevocable get-out-of-hell-free card.

Is our salvation in Christ or is it really something that depends upon our obedience to certain OT laws? Which is it Jerry?

Although hypocrites and other unregenerate men, may vainly deceive themselves with false hopes and carnal presumptions of being in the favor of God & estate of salvation, which hope of theirs shall perish, yet such as truly believe in the Lord Jesus, and love him in sincerity endeavoring to walk in all good conscience before him may in this life be certainly assured that they are in the state of grace, and my rejoice in the hope of the glory of God which hope shall never make them ashamed. WCF XVIII.1
---leej on 1/22/11


If you say sin keeps one from heaven, then clearly our sins have not been covered by the blood of Christ.
---leej on 1/22/11

I hear this stated so often, I wonder how many know our sins are NOT COVERED by teh blood of Jesus Christ.

In the OT sin was covered by the blood of bulls and goats, but could never make anyone perfect. Heb 10.

Having our SIN washed away, that is a different issue.

When God sees me now, it's not THROUGH the blood, as in the OT, He sees me a new creature IN CHRIST.

Covered sin in the OT was never completely forgiven sin.




---kathr4453 on 1/22/11


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Peter //While I believe that continued, wilful, unrepented sin can keep you out of heaven.

How do you know that? From Adventist literature?

Sin in our lives is dealt with by the indwelling Holy Spirit in our sanctification - a process of transforming us into the image of Christ. If there is sin in our lives, we either grieve or quench His Spirit and that brings on discipline of one sort or another. We can be much like a child who continues to misbehave but like any parent, God the Father has ways of dealing with His children.

If you say sin keeps one from heaven, then clearly our sins have not been covered by the blood of Christ.
---leej on 1/22/11


James L, you are right about the use of first person when it comes to salvation. Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'

however, i think that Donna5535 is expressing something that few are able to communicate effectively. I think I know what she is trying to say.

It is more out of lack of assumption and "fear and trembling". there are many who assume salvation and it is written that it is not based on our actions in His name. it is because of His recognition of His Spirit in us.
---aka on 1/22/11


Interesting that Adventists believe there is sin in heaven.

According to their sanctuary doctrine, sin was transferred to the heavenly Holy of Holies when Christ died on the Cross. And then, if I got their fiction correct, Jesus went into the sanctuary to cleanse it in October 1844 - the date being some kind of mathematic calculation based on some obscure verses of Daniel.

This theory was created by a couple of their founders who wandered across a cow pasture after what they called the Great Disappointment. Perhaps the smell of cow manure had something to do with the invention of their theory. That kind of thing happened when some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that they were duped and made fools of.
---leej on 1/22/11


Jerry: While I believe that continued, wilful, unrepented sin can keep you out of heaven

I assume so, though the question is: as we still of a sinful [uncertain word here, possibly 'breed'] is sin always wilful, or does our 'still sinful' part of our nature tempt us

this is a complex question, but yes, I agree with you
---Peter on 1/22/11


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-James_
Whan a baby is born do they dererve to have food, shelter, and clothing?
Have they done anything to earn it?

So it is with salvation, although we have done nothing to earn it, we deserve it, because it is what is best for us.

EARN and SESERVE are two different things.

Do we deserve to live forever?
Have we on our own EARNED eternal life?
---francis on 1/22/11


I can tell you one thing, if your answer started with "becasue I" then you are in trouble.

francis, you deserve to be there because you... WHAT?!?

I don't deserve to be there. But because Jesus hung in my place, and took on Himself the punishment that I deserve, I will be there.

Donna5535,
Really? You've been saved 27 years and don't know if you're gonna "make it"? We don't make it, Christ made it for us. If you're trying to make it, you won't.
---James_L on 1/21/11


I don't think it will happen this way... but if it did, I'd have to say, "Jesus Christ has paid my admission fee..in full!
---Donna66 on 1/21/11


Matthew 25

31 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"

32 "And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:"

33 "And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left."

34 "Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world."
---christan on 1/22/11


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Lee: "I would expect Francis and maybe even Jerry to say they obeyed the 10 commandments especially the Jewish Sabbath"

That answer would not be wrong, as only those who acept the righteousness of christ as their own, has faith to obey God. It is a the characterist of those who love God and have accepted Christ as messiah.

Otherwise: You are just serving with your mouth

Matthew 15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips, but their heart is far from me.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
---francis on 1/22/11


Lee: No. There is still a big difference between our beliefs. While I believe that continued, wilful, unrepented sin can keep you out of heaven, you seem to think that you have been given a permanent, irrevokable get-out-of-hell-free card. While I take seriously Jesus' command to "go and sin no more", you see sin as no longer a problem for you because you are not a Jew, and the Commandments which define sin only apply to them.
---jerry6593 on 1/22/11


I would say:
Glory to the LAMB
Who washed me white as snow,
Who took away my sin,
What Love I'll ever know.


But God would never ask me that question. I don't have to wait until judgement day to find out whether I made it in or not.
---kathr4453 on 1/22/11


I would say i dereve to be in heaven beacuse I have accepted the grace of God, and christ as my saviour
---francis on 1/21/11


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Cliff, ol' bud:) What you obviously don't understand is eternity is outside of time, so isn't influenced or restricted in anyway by time. Consider this: If you die as an unbeliever, in that moment/instant you are judged. Everything in eternity happens "NOW"!

By the way, there won't be any pleading of a case. God has the record of everyone of us before Him "NOW". Anyone who hasn't been washed in the blood of Jesus (the Believer's advocate/lawyer), when they die, won't have a leg to stand on!

All who have died, have been judged. All who will die, will be judged "instantly". (Hebrews 9:27) Pretty efficient, wouldn't you say?
---Leon on 1/21/11


Jerry //...I claim only the righteousness of Jesus.

That is very good as that is what the rest of us believe -the righteousness in Christ is credited to our account, for our eternal salvation.

However, on one of your older posts you believed one could become righteous via the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit. I guess Christianet has been very good for your understanding of the Gospel.

You need now to get your friend Francis to believe the same thing as it appears he is really stuck under the skirts of olde Ellen White, that one must observe the Jewish Sabbath to qualify for eternal life.

Good works of any kind, are only blessed if they reflect the activity of God's Spirit within the believer.
---leej on 1/21/11


Lee: "I would expect Francis and maybe even Jerry to say they obeyed the 10 commandments especially the Jewish Sabbath"

Then you would be wrong, as usual. I would say that like the rest of us, I don't deserve to be here, and I claim only the righteousness of Jesus. It is He alone who judges my fitness for heaven - not me or anyone else.

I would expect you, Cluny and Iggy to say "move out of the way", "I don't want anywhere near the Jewish section", and "I won't keep your stupid Ten Commandments - that's for Jews only, and we Catholic wannabes make up our own."
---jerry6593 on 1/21/11


God will not ask the righteous Why, because he and we both already know why our home is heaven.
---Eloy on 1/21/11


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I would say: because "Jesus Paid it All, All to him I owe. Sin had left a crimson stain, He washed it white as snow."
---Geraldine on 1/20/11


HEY PETE! WILL YOU OPEN UP THE GATE ALREADY! I've been waiting out here for way too long!
---John on 1/20/11


Thank You
Father!
---TheSeg on 1/20/11


One place where God says, I never knew you. God never knew you to bow your knee to repentance at His One & Only Salvation Plan, Acts 2 v 38.
The other is, I know ye not. He - she was trying to serve God, flirting with the devil & his glitter - glamorous things of the world. 1st.John 2 v's 15 - 16. You canNot serve 2 masters.
---Lawrence on 1/20/11


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Iam sure there will be plenty of the usual justification rederrick. Most people have an excuse for every bad decision,and most people see the sin others do but strangely dont see their own transgressions,but God does.
---tom2 on 1/20/11


in where? in His presence?

i would not say a thing. I know that He would see my only Defense in me and me in my only Defense.
---aka on 1/20/11


I would expect Francis and maybe even Jerry to say they obeyed the 10 commandments especially the Jewish Sabbath. And they will look down on those who have beat their chest in the temple confessing their sins that they were not like those people.
---leej on 1/19/11


Only a conversation between myself & him.
---candice on 1/19/11


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I would say to JESUS that because of what you did on the cross in paying for my sins. Only to the cross I cling. Nothing I can do will save me.
---Samuel on 1/19/11


Melanine, you forgot to mention what Judgment. There are two, "The Judgment seat of Christ" or the "Bema" seat of Christ, which is for rewards only to genuine believers, and "The Great White Throne of Judgment" dedicated to the unbelievers, satan and his angels. If you are standing at the Great White Throne of Judgment it is already too late for talk, there is nothing to say, you are already guilty and awaiting the sentence.

To 1Cliff, you forgot to mention your one day is like a thousand years to God. It could take a few days our time, but to the Lord time is irrelevant.
---Mark_V. on 1/19/11


God will not ask me why-because when He sees me,He sees Christ.I'm covered with the righteousness of His Son Jesus Christ.God knows our only hope of measuring up is through Christ. God sees only Christ,not me & my sins. Only the BLOOD OF JESUS & HIS MERCY. When I accepted Christ as my Saviour- that's what He was saving me for. God's approval. & When God accepts me it's because of what Christ has done- NOT WHAT I HAVE DONE!
---Reba on 1/19/11


Doctor told me that he had lost a 90-year-old patient for over 10 minutes and when I ASK the old man if he saw any thing? He said yes, he saw his parents. How do you know it was your parents I asked? To which the old man replied. Well Mr. don't you think you would recognize your own parents? So as a child of God I believe my father will recognize ME!!!!
So I don't think this question will be asked a believer.
---mima on 1/19/11


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I would say "come on God, you don't know who I am by now?" LOL

OR I'd say, Knock Knock and God would say, Who's there?"

I then would say, "donna wanna."

Then God would say, "Donna wanna who?" LOL

Okay so I'm in a very silly mood today. I still don't know if I'm going to make it to heaven even though I've been saved 27 years, walking in a love relationship with Jesus and loving on God every day and love what the Blood of Jesus did for me, how about you?
---Donna5535 on 1/19/11


The fundamentalist's view of "judgement day" is like a big courtroom scene, with God as judge. How long would it take to plead your case?
There's only 33 million seconds in a year, with 3 more born every second, billions dead and 7 billion living here now.
Problem= How many thousand years before your case is heard??? Reality check!
At the same time they believe that at death you go to your reward which would take a "judgement call"
Which is it???
---1st_cliff on 1/19/11


-- Melanie :

Sister, There's no need to say anything if you're Sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise, and if you're not Sealed, it doesn't matter what you say...

No one will be asked why they should be let into Heaven when standing before the Judgment Seat b/c you're there to be Judged not plead your case !!!
---Shawn.M.T on 1/19/11


Because i put my faith in Jesus Christ alone for my salvation.
---JIM on 1/19/11


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I would say because Christ is infinitely merciful.

But what would YOU say, melanie?
---Cluny on 1/19/11


I would say,Lord you know that answer better than I do. I have loved and trusted you all my life and I still trust you now. Then with love overflowing within me I would say,I worship you my King,Glory to your name.
---Darlene_1 on 1/19/11


Jesus punched my tickie.
---leej on 1/19/11


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