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What Is The Grace Of God

Most christian preachers seem to teach that the Grace of God is limited and that human beings can sin so that Grace is not enough to redeem them. How does the Bible define the Grace of God?

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Fine, Mark.

Honestly, I dont see an inkling of the compassion of Christ in you.

You see it perfectly acceptable that billions go to hell (even your own children) as long as it means youre still saved. You could care less how your words lead people away from Jesus as long as they give YOU peace. And to avoid feeling convicted by such self-centered thinking you disguise it as "giving all the glory to God"

You seem as though you latched onto Calvinism in sheer desperation because you couldnt find assurance in "Christ in you" (as Kat states). I believe that is why you are terrified to question your doctrine and that is why you resort to backbiting when you dont have an answer to scripture that we post.
---CraigA on 2/3/11


Those who strip Jesus of His deity are those who do not believe God CAME IN THE FLESH. These are called anti-christ.

Those too who believe Jesus was just a man, a teacher, and do not believe He was Born of a Virgin, overshadowed by the Holy Spirit.

Lets make sure we have our facts correct as what constitutes stripping Jesus of His Deity.

In the Beginning was the Word, The Word who was With God, The WORD who WAS GOD WHO became Flesh...
---kathr4453 on 2/3/11


---There is no debate with you, Alan and especially Kathr and the new names that pop up which confirms to me that one of you keeps adding names.--- Mark_V

Thats simply paranoia.
---CraigA on 2/3/11


mark, rather than rambling on and on, please find a quote made by those you have accused of denying the deity of Christ.

I see you often ramble on without any back-up. I do believe you hope most people will not take the time to seek out the truth, but just take your word for it.

Also, please find along with these quotes, one or two other witnesses that you can bring a charge against someone, as instructed by God.

Your word alone, without proof, would never stand up in a court of law.

I have searched many subjects here, and can not find one shred of evidence that you are telling the truth.
---Tom on 2/3/11


Gen6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD

Hebrew is two letters,
Chet and Nun
Definition:
Chet defined as "The doorway of Life" light that descends from God and that light ascends or returns to God.
"-Doorway of Light from heaven[OPENED or ClOSED].
Gematria-eight the number of New Beginnings.

Nun--"Son of Life" Yeshua(Son of God)
Represents "Humbled" Man humbles before Yehovah-Yeshua Humbled in the form of man.
Gematria-50: representing "Freedom and fulnness of Life"

Through the Son of God we Move and Work together-Loving God and One Another as Yeshua Instructed.

Grace-humbled before God and brethren
If not...

The door is closed.
---char on 2/3/11




The stripping of the deity of Christ caused a lot of lifes through history. It might not be important to you, but it's important to the children of God.
Comments like,
Jesus existed as the Word since eternity, but it was only 2000 years ago that He appeared on Earth"
Christ is identified with Elohim of the Old Testament (Luke 3:4). In Isaiah 9:6-7 Christ is called "the Mighty God (Elohim)." It is apparent that Elohim in the Old Testament is God in the New Testament (Greek Theos). All passages in the New Testament referring to Christ by this title link Him with the Elohim of the Old Testament (Romans 15:6, Eph. 1:3, 5:5, 2 Peter 1:1). He is also introduced in Gen. 1:1 as the God of creation.
---Mark_V. on 2/3/11


Craig, you say to me,

"Mark the childish accusations you make prove that you are incapable of having a mature debate."

There is no debate with you, Alan and especially Kathr and the new names that pop up which confirms to me that one of you keeps adding names. We give Scripture and all we get are slanderous remarks and opinions. No Truth at all. You do not want to debate, and Kathr is proof of that. All those false statements of Jesus, and the Spirit were for nothing. She finally spoke what was in her heart. Why don't you say what is in your heart? If you wanted to debate we could have exchange Scripture as many others do, but all you and her want to do, is to continue your slanderous remarks.
---Mark_V. on 2/3/11


When I said "Why behave as if you want to kill each other?" ... I was addressing both Mark and Kathr

I feel we almost to call in the UN to keep the peace here.

Please play nicely in the sandpit
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/3/11


Mark you tell Kathr that she has stripped jesus of His deity, and that she says Jesus and the Holy Spirit did not exist before 2000 years ago,

That's not what she says.

Jesus existed as the Word since eternity, but it was only 2000 years ago that He appeared on Earth

The the Holy Spiit existed from eternity, but again, Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit. It could be taken that meant the HS had not been here before, but I belive that HS did lead men in the OT. Was it God the father or God the HS who guided Moses to inscribe the 10 commandments? Who was in the burning bush?

But it's surely a small point ... Why behave as if you want to kill each other?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/2/11


Mark the childish accusations you make prove that you are incapable of having a mature debate.

I will resume debating with you when you can stop bearing false witness against others because youre angry that you are without an answer.
---CraigA on 2/2/11




Genesis 48:16 redeemed, or DELIVERED, is not the same as REDEEMED/ PURCHASED by the blood of Christ.

Angels do not have blood, nor was Christ blood shed in the OT!!

Sorry guys try again!
---kathr4453 on 2/2/11


Boaz Redeemed Ruth, but is Boaz God, Jesus, the Messiah?

Please read ALL scripture referring to REDEEMED. and you will see, the word has many meanings and MANY # numbers indicating it's meaning.
---kathr4453 on 2/2/11


MarkV, Gen 48:16... the Angel who redeemed me..
there is only one redeemer, you are absolutely right.
---michael_e on 2/2/11


MarkV, I simply do not believe The Angel of the Lord was Jesus before His incarnation. I also do not believe Jesus was Michael the Arch-angel either.

NOW, that does not make me a heretic, or undermine the Deity of Christ.

If you perhaps want to believe Jesus was The Angel of the Lord, so be it.

I believe Angels were messengers of God, and God/LOGOS spoke to man through messengers of Angels to prophets, but in these LAST days, has spoken to us PERSONALLY through Jesus Christ His Son who became flesh and was given a mouth to speak to us directly.

This is my belief, along with many solid believing Christians.

Find something more important to make a fuss about!
---kathr4453 on 2/2/11


The Angel of Jehovah, the Angel of the God are identified many times through the Old Testament. When the Angel of Jehovah spoke to Hagar (Gen. 16:7-13) He was identified as Jehovah (v.13) ASV. The account of the sacrifice of Isaac (Gen. 22:15-18) affords the same identification. In some instances the expression "Angel of God" is used as a synonym of Jehovah. The Hebrew for God in these instances is Elohim. In either case the deity of the Angel is conformed by many passages (Angel of God Gen. 31:11-13, God...the Angel 48:15-16, 45:5, "Angel of Jehovah" "God" and "Jehovah" are used interchangeably, (Exodus 3:1, Acts 7:30-35, "Jehovah" Exodus 13:21, and "Angel of God" (Judges 6:11-23,
---Mark_V. on 2/2/11


Matthew 2:13
And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt,

Matthew 28:2
And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.


Just a couple of many reasons I don't believe THE ANGEL of the Lord was God, or His Son, or the Word who was God who became flesh was an angel! Hebrews 1 makes that perfectly CLEAR!!
---kathr4453 on 2/2/11


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As Peter declared in Acts 15:8,9 -

"And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us, And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith."

Ezekiel 36:26,27
"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

This is the doctrine of regeneration also taught in John 3:1-12.
---christan on 2/1/11


Thank you christan, for your understanding of TRUE regeneration.
---kathr4453 on 2/1/11


Allan, thank you for your answers concerning the deity of the Holy Spirit. Craig and Kathr are so deep in unbelief, everyday is more lies. False teachers who pretend they know what Truth is, when the Truth in right in their face. Jesus Christ in His preincarnate Person was known as Jehovah, Elohim, Adoni, Son of God, the Angel of Jehovah and much more. Kathr treats Him as a created being. Separating Him from His deity. She says, its childish arguments. Easy for her to strip Christ of His deity. She strips Christ and then turns around and strips the Holy Spirit who is God. As if He suddenly appeared at Pentecost. False doctrines, that go against the understanding of the Trinity.
---Mark_V. on 2/1/11


Nice scripture, Kat

Theres also scripture showing that Christ preached to the spirits in "prison" who lived at the time of Noah. This would not have been necessary if they had all been saved by grace.
---CraigA on 1/29/11


1 Peter 1:10
Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:


Allan, CraigA and I are talking about THIS GRACE.

If it were around all the time, there would not have been anything to Prophesy about.

Also, the last MAN ADAM is the life giving spirit. Jesus was not a MAN in the OT.

If you all say He was, you are certainly mormon.
---kathr4453 on 1/29/11


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---YOU deny Christ came in the Flesh or had need to ---

Exactly Kat.

Men under the law are "SHUT UP unto the faith which shoulds afterwards be revealed" (Gal 3:23).

They couldnt have been saved by the blood of Christ then because they had no knowledge of it! You cant have faith in that which youve never heard of (Romans 10:14). The dispensation of grace was kept secret until Christ was crucified because if it hadnt the world never would have played right into Gods hand.(1 Cor 2:7,8)
---CraigA on 1/29/11


Since the fall of man, God could only have fellowship with man through Grace. And since then, there was never a point at which God interacts with man outside of Grace.

Moreover, the Holy Spirit is not a representation or a representative of God. The Holy Spirit is God!

Therefore, all Scriptural texts have to be interpreted in the context and with the recognition and the acceptance that the Holy Spirit is not a form of God, but God Himself.
---Allan on 1/29/11


I do not VOID the GRACE of God, for if righteosness comes by keeping the Law Christ died in vain.

MarkV, the discussion is about GRACE, not whether one believed Jesus was the WORD, who is God, became flesh and dwelt among is.

Why do you always pullout this childish argument?

No one here denies in the beginning was the Word , and the WORD was With God, and the WORD was God, who became flesh and dwelt among us, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH, BUT YOU!!!

When you can carry an ADULT conversation, let me know!

Your temper trantrums are getting booring!
---kathr4453 on 1/29/11


Kathr, you have no knowledge on any subject you talk about.
There is no denying Christ came in the flesh in the person of Jesus, but what you deny is that Christ is eternal. "God send not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved" John 3:31. Who was send? His Son. Colossians 1:16,17 says,
" For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities or powers, all things were created by Him, and for Him: and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist"
You are like Arius the cultist who argue that Christ was not eternal. He and you are wrong.
---Mark_V. on 1/29/11


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//Kathr, you speak lies and blaspheme the Lord Jesus Christ. First, denying the Holy Spirit brings life, hear Jesus words to His disciples,//

No MarkV, I have not BLASPHEMED the Holy Spirit, nor have I denied the Spirit of the Life of Christ is who brings life.

I've been telling YOU this for years. Yet you claim that in the OT men were Born again of the Spirit of the Life of Christ.

I believe YOU have blasphemed the SPIRIT OF GRACE.

You also place GRACE in the OT. Grace is the finished work of Christ. It's not the Gracious disposition of God. TWO entirely different things.

You place OT Israel under GRACE and LAW...IMPOSSIBLE!! Now and then!
---kathr4453 on 1/28/11


MarkV, it's our IDENTIFICATION with the RISEN Christ, the one who died and rose again who SAVES US BY GRACE. I KNOW Jesus in the flesh was not in the OT. To call me a JW is outrageous.

The LAST ADAM did not come until 2000 years ago. It is the Last Adam who is the LIFE GIVING Spirit.


YOU deny Christ came in the Flesh or had need to

YOU BLASPHEME God and His GIFT of His Son to us.

Your beliefs are MORMON to the core!!!
---kathr4453 on 1/28/11


Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

markv, if those under the Law of Moses were also saved by Grace, what difference would it make to God if Israel still wanted to hold on to tradition?

It appears the Blood of Christ, sealing His Covenant promises ((not in the Old Testament))can not be separated from the Spirit of Grace, or the Son of God! You are wrong!
---Tom on 1/28/11


---Those wanted to stone Him, you too want to stone Him.---Mark_V

This was simply childish.
---CraigA on 1/28/11


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Kathr, you speak lies and blaspheme the Lord Jesus Christ. First, denying the Holy Spirit brings life, hear Jesus words to His disciples,

"What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? "it is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh profits nothing" John 6:62,63.
You do not know Jesus. You claim He lied because you say,
"The RISEN CHRIST was not in the OT."
Again you claim Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior is not eternal. Proclaiming like the Jehovah Witnesses that He is a created angel.
Jesus says,
"Before Abraham came to be, I Am" John 8:58. Those wanted to stone Him, you too want to stone Him. That's why you never give Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 1/28/11


Every man(no gender)can deside whether to judge another or not.
The adversary encourages we place ourselve in the seat that is Gods'.
Rev 12:4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.(don't be dragged).
Luke 6:37 Judge not, and you shall not be juged. Condemn not,and you shall not be condemned. Forgive,and you will be forgiven.
1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.--Repentance for remission-
---char on 1/28/11


Ya know chriatan, what EXACTLY do you THINK you see of the Kingdom of God that we don't?

The only thing I see you see are 15 verses you have memorized and quote over an over.

Or the WCF or institutes of Calvinism, ANYONE can read and memorize.

THAT proves nothing. Then you tell others to get in a good Calvin church so they an SEE.

Have you actually SEEN HEAVEN?
---kathr4453 on 1/28/11


---However, "free-willers" deny ever being dead and that they can see His Kingdom outside of regeneration, calling Christ a liar.
---christan on 1/27/11

Wow you certainly have the same approach as Mark also.

There is no regeneration outside of Jesus Christ.
But all men still have a conscience. As I have said at least 3 other times in the past week, what we lack is the POWER to change not the intelligence to know we need to change.

Thats why we are led by the Holy Spirit to the Lord Jesus Christ, to be cleansed of our sin so that God can fill us with His love and enable us to change.
---CraigA on 1/28/11


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However, "free-willers" deny ever being dead and that they can see His Kingdom outside of regeneration, calling Christ a liar.
---christan on 1/27/11

Not only do we know we must be born again, we also know we can't see the Kingdom of God until we are Born Again.

What we CAN SEE is that we are sinners in need of a savior.

You don't have to SEE the Kingdom to know your a sinner.

I don't have to SEE oxygen to know I need it. I also don't have to UNDERSTAND the scientific components of oxygen to know I need it.

WE NEED it because we are TOLD we do, and would die without it.

Am I saving myself by acknowledging that?

Your reasoning is moronic.
---kathr4453 on 1/28/11


If the Holy Spirit has always been here as stated in an earlier reply to this blog, they why did Jesus say this:

Nevertheless, I tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto (not into) you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come....cont. John 16:8.

Cross reference also John 15:26, 16:13, 14:16-18.

Why would Jesus need to send who is already here?
---Sam on 1/27/11


It's beyond foolishness that outside of the "gift of faith from God", man can turn to Christ on his own. Hebrews 11 teaches that faith is vital to pleasing Him.

The act of regeneration or as Christ declares in John 3:3-12 is solely the work of the Holy Spirit when the man is "dead in sins and trespasses". Keyword is "dead", that's why "regeneration" or to give life unto the dead spirit man.

Jesus simply says, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." However, "free-willers" deny ever being dead and that they can see His Kingdom outside of regeneration, calling Christ a liar.
---christan on 1/27/11


Mark, it almost sounds as though you believe the Holy Spirit indwelled men before Jesus Christ shed his blood for us.

Do you have any Biblical proof that men in OT days were regenerated by the Holy Spirit?
---CraigA on 1/27/11


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Craig, here is why MarkV does not know teh Lord.

In teh NEW Testament, it ts the Spirit of the RISEN CHRIST in you, who has quickened you to LIFE, eternal LIFE, that came only after Christ rose from the dead.

IF MarkV were truly saved, teh Lord would have enlightened him of that.

The RISEN CHRIST was not in the OT.
---kathr4453 on 1/27/11


That shouldve said withOUT*

My bad
---CraigA on 1/27/11


Craig, here is one reason why you do not know who God is that I mentioned in another blog. You say:
"Have any Calvinists ever considered that before the Holy Spirit came into the world men were "elected" for service on an individual basis before the time of Christ then when Jesus ascended and sent the Spirit (Acts 2:17),"
First of all the Holy Spirit is God, He is Omnipresent. He is everywhere. So He never came to earth He was here and everywhere already. The Spirit's ministry was to bring life to those who were spiritually dead in trespasses and sin, and to indwell believers and guide them to all truth and to seal them. Jesus could not do that in His incarnated human state before His resurrection.
---Mark_V. on 1/27/11


Titus 2:11
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

1 Peter 1:10
Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:


Yep, and nowhere in that OT Prophecy did God EVER say He only came for, or made atonement for a secret select few!!
---kathr4453 on 1/27/11


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John 9:39 "And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see, and that they which see might be made blind."

40 "And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?"

41 "Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see, therefore your sin remaineth."
---christan on 1/26/11


--Do they KNOW it's wrong? You bet...they just don't care!
---kathr4453 on 1/26/11


And that is exactly why we would all be JUSTly condemned with the grace of God in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus CHrist
---CraigA on 1/26/11


I quoted scripture stating those who hold down the truth in unrighteousness will receive God's wrath, just as Romans 1 stated.

YOUR the ones who claim YOU only know truth...the elect.

Now either you all lie, and God's wrath is coming on YOU alone, or MAN, as stated in Romans 1 do know truth, through their CONSCIENCE as CraigA also just pointed out.

There is no such thing as TOTAL DEPRAVITY.

God's wrath came on those b4 up to the flood....who KNEW the TRUTH and worshiped the creature more than the Creator.

It's happening again....many worship Calvin or the WCF and NOT God through Christ ALONE!!

Do they KNOW it's wrong? You bet...they just don't care!
---kathr4453 on 1/26/11


Isaiah 6:9-10

"And He said, Go, and tell this people:
Keep on hearing, but do not understand,
Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.

Make the heart of this people dull,
And their ears heavy,
And shut their eyes,

Lest they see with their eyes,
And hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart,

And return and be healed.
---christan on 1/25/11


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Kathr, you did condemn the Elect to hell. You said they were heading to hell. Now you say you are one of the Elect because you are a Jew, indicating Jews go to heaven but Gentiles go to hell. You have no truth in you. You are one confused Jew.
---Bob on 1/25/11


Ty Alan

And youre right Kat. Even the evil have a conscience and that why they are held accountable (Romans 1:18,19)
They also know how to give good things (Matt 7:11)
---CraigA on 1/25/11


Well Bob, that's not what I said, but that's ok.

I don't believe only the ELECT know truth, or have a conscience.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/11


Craig .. You have to join the dating and Penpal section
---alan8566_of_uk on 1/25/11


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Have any Calvinists ever considered that before the Holy Spirit came into the world men were "elected" for service on an individual basis before the time of Christ then when Jesus ascended and sent the Spirit (Acts 2:17), He is now drawing all men unto himself just as He said in John 12:32?
---CraigA on 1/25/11


This is off topic, but does anyone know how (if its even possible) to send a private message to someone who posts on this website?

Im tryin to send them a link to a website and from what Ive seen moderators will not allow it in blogs.

Anyone?
---CraigA on 1/25/11


Kathr, I find you a very confused person when you first argue, the Elect are going to hell, now you tell everyone you are one of the Elect because you are a Jew. Who can understand a confused person?
---Bob on 1/25/11


Yep, and you have to PROVE something is true or false before you have the PROOF that it is or isn't.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/11


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I sincerely thank you for your English lesson of verb and noun, Pendant.
---christan on 1/24/11


\\Do you agree that when Scripture says election, it describes one being chosen/saved for salvation? Yes? No?\\
---christan on 1/24/11

Election has nothing to do with being "chosen" for eternal life.

The "salvation" spoken of in Romans 10-11 is an inheritance, which is not the same as entering heaven. The inheritance means sharing in the "glory" bestowed on Christ because He suffered the cross. We are joint-heirs with Christ IF we suffer with Him.

Romans 9 is not talking about individual people.

Those who suffer with Him will share in His GLORY. And we cannot suffer WITH him if we don't have faith IN Him.

God predestined us to be conformed to His Image through suffering
---James_L on 1/24/11


Grace is:
God's riches At Christ's expense.

God sent His Son Jesus to die on the cross to pay for our sins. Jesus Christ's obedience to God's will made it possible for us to obtain salvation through faith in his death, burial and resurrection.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

2 Tim 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Grace is all that God is free to do for us based NOT upon our goodness but on the faithfulness of his son.
---michael_e on 1/24/11


I know that I will probably be disparaged for what I am about to state, but I think it is needful.

I get the impression that the people who make comments on this medium are people who, by and large, claim belief in God. Yet, quite often the discourse can become rather coarse and words are used to hurt and demean one another.

I do not claim to be a paragon of virtue, but it seems to me that the exchange of ideas could be expressed in a more respectful and constructive way. And when different and even controversial ideas are presented, there is still no need to resort to insults and personal attacks.

Learning can take place even when we strongly disagree.
---Allan on 1/24/11


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Christan, sadly 'proof' is not a verb, except in baking or scientific world, or clothing. You do not proof a fact
---Pedant on 1/24/11


kathr, you say prove, Mark and I say proof - and if you bother to lookup the dictionary, the definition is the same. So much for being critical of our English language. Forgive us for not being as learned as you.

Do you agree that when Scripture says election, it describes one being chosen/saved for salvation? Yes? No? Ephesians 2:8,9 say -

"For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Whose grace is it that save? Obviously, God. Here, grace means God's hands/work that saved the sinner through faith. And when God elect/chose, His grace is what will bring the man to salvation.
---christan on 1/24/11


Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
---francis on 1/23/11


You contradict yourself and proof you do not even understand what is God's grace. ---christan on 1/23/11

christian, you seem to use the same poor wording as markV...it's not PROOF, but prove, is the correct wording.

Markv does this all the time, but doesn't unerstand the english language. Are you also not well taught in the english language. What a coincidence.

But back to the subject, GRACE is NOT God picking and choosing. Election is one subject GRACE is quite another.

Is it the english language after all? Do you believe GRACE and Election are the same word?


---kathr4453 on 1/23/11


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"Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to election of grace. And if by Grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise Grace is no longer Grace"

Yes MarkV, that would mean ME, not you. I as a Jew am a remnant of Israel, who today is saved BY GRACE. Many Jews are saved by Grace. Where God stated we were once His SERVANTS, now we are His Sons and Daughters through Jesus Christ AKA GRACE. We also refuse to bend the knee to BAAL....calvin, WCF or any man made nonsense. Our loyalty is to Christ alone.

We were elected for a purpose!
---kathr4453 on 1/23/11


The Bible teaches that all human biengs inherited the sin of Adam's disobedience. And mandkind is redeemed by the obedience of the second Adam, Jesus Christ. So that, where sin abounded, Grace did much more abound. Romans 5:20

So, in the same manner that Adam's disobedience plunged the entire human race into sin and death. In same way, the obedience of Jesus Christ redeemed all human beings from sin and death. Romans 5:17 - 18.
---Allan on 1/23/11


For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Romans 5:19. So that ... "where sin abounded, Grace did MUCH MORE ABOUND" Romans 5:20

Whoever inherited the consequences of Adam's disobedience, also received the benefits of Jesus obedience. That is what the Bible says.
---Allan on 1/23/11


Allan, though the Grace of God is demonstrated all through history it is defined in Romans 11:5-6,
"Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to election of grace. And if by Grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise Grace is no longer Grace"
Clearly it is an act of God alone. Grace is the manifestation of God's love and mercy toward sinful men (2 Cor. 8:9, Tit. 2:11). God's essential nature includes both Love (1 John 4:16) manifested in mercy and grace, and holiness ( 1 John 1:5), manifested in righteous judgment of sin. Divine Grace provides not only salvation but security. This is accomplished by the continuation of the divine work of grace despite the believer's imperfections.
---Mark_V. on 1/23/11


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"Grace is nowhere in 'election' if 'election' means that some people are chosen to be saved and others are not." Allan

You contradict yourself and proof you do not even understand what is God's grace. For the following para you speak after the above commentary of yours sounds exactly like Romans 9:11

"For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth."

This is the definition of election by grace. "For by grace you have been saved...", ie. without the love of God, there's no grace and election to salvation. "For Jacob have I loved"
---christan on 1/23/11


Acts 20:24
But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.


I love these words of Pauls. The GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD cost Paul his life as well.

Now we have two different groups.

Those who bring the Gospel of God's Grace to a lost and dying world, how Christ died for the sin of the whole world, or those who completely distort the meaning of Grace.

---kathr4453 on 1/23/11


The acknowledgement and acceptance of the Grace of God ought to inspire an attitude of Glorious Gratitude in all those who Believe. Instead, there are commnents that would limit God's Goodness to His creation to human miserliness, prejudices and ignorance.

Grace is the only medium through which God could have fellowship with any of member of the human race, including those who think that God is favourably impressed with their religious efforts.
---Allan on 1/23/11


"God's Grace is demonstrated in His election."

Christian:

Grace is nowhere in 'election' if 'election' means that some people are chosen to be saved and others are not.

The marvelousness about Grace is that it considers no situation, no condition, no action or absence of action. The idea of Grace is clearly of God's creation because even good people would feel compelled to attach conditions that would limit its scope and effects.

Grace is the BEST idea the world has ever known!

And it is not a religious idea. It is The God's idea!
---Allan on 1/23/11


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Great Post kathr4453!
One should never forget the Cost.
---John on 1/23/11


That is the Character of God, the Creator of the universe, and that is the nature of Grace!
---Allan on 1/21/11

Allan, God's forgivenss of your sin COST Christ His life.

And because God has forgiven you (that is if you are saved) your past present and future sin, is because when you received Christ you received His death whereby your old man, Adam 1 was crucified with Christ. THAT is the Only reason your sin is forgiven. Because YOU died to sin when you died with Christ, and were raised New creature IN CHRIST.

Grace is not lolly-pops and moonbeams, peace love dove and all that new age stuff.

Grace is God's riches at Christ's expense, The finished work of Christ!
---kathr4453 on 1/22/11


Doesnt make much sense to answer your own blog question. Even worse using an alternate name to do so.
---CraigA on 1/22/11


God's Grace is demonstrated in His election -

"For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth." Romans 9:11

"Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth." Romans 9:18

Ephesians 2:5 "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved,)" 8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" 9 "Not of works, lest any man should boast."
---christan on 1/22/11


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The Bible tells us that Grace is God's attitude of relentless Goodness towards each member of the human race. ---Allan on 1/21/11

Allan
If this is Grace, why do you think God flooded the Earth?
I ask you this question, because (Genesis 6:8) tells us why God saved Noah and not, "Each member of the human race".
(Genesis 6:8)
"But Noah found Grace in the eyes of the LORD".


If Grace was afforded to Each member of the human race, wouldn't they all have been saved?
---David on 1/22/11


Josef, that answer was great concerning Grace for salvation. You explained it very clearly.
The grace of God outside of salvation is mention also in many cases. He graciously intervened, saving Noah and his family. In the dispensation of civil government man rebelled by building the tower of Babel, God did not destroy the rebellious creation, but continued to work in the hearts of men like Abraham and Melchizedek by extending a Gracious promise that He would bless the whole world through Abraham. And since all sin and fall short of the glory of God, "believers by faith are being justified freely by His Grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus"
Freely means, by God's Grace alone not by any merits of man.
---Mark_V. on 1/22/11


The Bible does not define Grace in the narrow, restrictive and human way as so many Christians tend to do. Instead, the Bible tells us that Grace is God's attitude of relentless Goodness towards each member of the human race. Indeed, Isa.54:10 says that it is easier for the mountains of the world to move from their accustomed places than for God's Goods (Grace) to depart from us. Further, Rom. 5: 8, 20 makes it even more clear by saying, that wherever sin abounded, Grace did much more abound! Wnoderful!! God's unremitting attitude of Grace takes into account no past sin, no present sin and no future sin!

That is the Character of God, the Creator of the universe, and that is the nature of Grace!
---Allan on 1/21/11


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