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Give Tithes To Neighbor

Would I be wrong to give my tithes to my neighbor who needs gas to warm her house and lights are soon to be cut off and takes care of a disabled aunt, a retarded cousin, and an infant grandchild?

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Trav, i am sorry you feel this way but I LOVE my church. I trust my pastor, staff. Do they make mistakes yes but I trust them. check out newspring.cc
---Scott on 3/4/11

Don't feel sorry....because I've discovered a truth. I said "most part". The majority. I know a couple of fine,humble GODly men. Yes, I've helped them and would again.

I just do not allow any calling themselves "shepherds" to shepherd me any longer. Most are either indoctrinated, cannot defend their doctrines, using scripture and the prophets. Witnessed here by the most arrogant self nominated/proclaimed preachers. As opposed to GOD nominating them.
---Trav on 3/6/11


Trav, says These today would be rejected for the most part. Yeah, they make their money and wear sheep clothing or kings clothing....but, run and abandon when something scary comes along.
I wouldn't give many of them another nickel and no organization of man doctrine a penny.
Trav, i am sorry you feel this way but I LOVE my church. I trust my pastor, staff. Do they make mistakes yes but I trust them. check out newspring.cc
---Scott on 3/4/11


Alan of UK-- He doesn't usually address such disasters. That's because every civic, educational and service organization in the community solicits funds for them.

We are a small church that "adopts" a couple foreign missionaries. We regularly fill a shipping container with electronic supplies (including some computers), clothing, school supplies and personal care items for a Nigerian pastor who runs Bible Schools in his county. Whenever it fills, we ship.

If someone in the church or community has a special need,
the call goes out via email and people give individually (to prevent bureaucratic red-tape by taxing authorities)
---Donna66 on 2/23/11


Donna66 ... How does your church deal with the huge needs of others in this world?

For example ... floods in Bangladash, ot hurricanes in Haiti.

Would the pastor allow an appeal for gifts to help the suffering?
---alan8566_of_UK on 2/22/11


First off.. Tithes.. are dues to the Lord... Offerings are your gift to the Lord.. God wants a joyfull heart in giving.. Because its the right thing to do.. Because God COmmands it.. and because of your love for the Lord.. you do it for him..Because you Love him..There are no set of rules and regulations... The Lords set us free from that stuff.. You do it out of the pureness of your heart.. and to the Lord.. So help this person out... dont let your left hand know from your right hand.. seek no glory.. and while your are giving the money say a prayer too
---kevinwynstra on 2/20/11




Robyn, not only do you have the liberty to comment on any post here, but I usually find your viewpoints interesting whether I agree or disagree with them. I'm sorry if you feel I'm trying to control you. I love you and that honestly is not my intention. I don't want our miscommunication to spin out of control here, so please accept a great big cyber-hug from me and let's move on, ok?
---AlwaysOn on 2/19/11


Robyn-- You sound as if you may be a pastors wife in a church that is struggling financially.
---Donna66 on 2/19/11


Always On: I have the liberty to comment on any posts here. Or /are you saying you want to control that,too?
---Robyn on 2/18/11


Robyn-- //unrealistic and totally uncalled for.//??
I beg your pardon. I didn't say that church members don't give...only that we never pass the collection plate nor ask for money. We have a box at the back of the sanctuary for donations. And possibly some send checks direct to the church.

The blessings of giving are as great, or greater, when given privately.
All expenses...
from utilities to toilet paper are always paid. And we have no mortgage... The only exception might be if there is some major expense like a new roof, the need will be mentioned...but again no collection. However it, too, is usually paid for in a timely manner. (Discretionary spending is based on what people are willing to pay for.)
---Donna66 on 2/18/11


//So her comment was totally unrealistic and totally uncalled for.//

Donna66 did not say that the church does not have a place to put offering money, she said that they do not pass a plate and give alms before others.

a church i went to did the same as Donna's. the pastor did give occasional services reminding those of the blessings for giving. but, he also said the fact of giving should only be under the the power of the holy spirit and should nor be given under compulsion and the target is not necessarily always the church.

robyn, your opinions/comments are fine, but why does a sucker punch almost always accompany them? are you ok?
---aka on 2/19/11




Always on -- Since you brought up the subject, our pastor also forbids anyone from charging for any product or service offered by the church. (I'm not sure I'm in total agreement, here)

Once a group decided to have a fish fry at the church and sell tickets. They neglected to clear all the details with the pastor...He discovered it only after some tickets had been sold. He made them refund all the ticket holders money!
---Donna66 on 2/19/11


Just so that I understand you, Robyn, you're saying that Donna's (and other's) comments about her church who is debt-free and who has all of their needs met by free-will offerings is uncalled for and unrealistic?

How so?

She did not say that the members don't give offerings, she said that the church doesn't have to ask for support. In my opinion, it's a blessing for churches not to have to ask for money, but to still have congregants who realize the cost of running a ministry and who freely give. That they are debt-free shows that the principles they live by work.

I'm not clear on why you're taking issue with this.
---AlwaysOn on 2/18/11


Robyn, the donations pay for all of the expenses...

The Spirit moves people to give.
---CraigA on 2/18/11


I think Donna's comments are very realistic if not looked at from a worldly perspective.
The widow and the others went to the treasury when Jesus was watching it, no plate was passed around.
We are all the body of Christ, some are left hands, some are right.
Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
---micha9344 on 2/18/11


Always On: My condolences to you if you think Donna's comments on having a debt-free church would be awesome. That is bull! When we are allowed to give offerings and other monies to others(churches and other ministries) that is a source of blessings to the giver.A debt-free church should still pass the offering plate in order the congregants to have the pleasure of giving and receiving their blessings.
Every church will always have utilities to pay. If they worship within four walls. Tissue in the bathrooms, soap,cleaning materials cost. Gas for the church buses. You name it. It takes money to do this. So her comment was totally unrealistic and totally uncalled for.
---Robyn on 2/18/11


I've only heard of one other church doing that before Donna mentioned it, but my heart is warmed that there are others. Hopefully, the others will see how effective it is to allow people to freely give. I'd also like to see the $100+ ticket prices for conferences come to an end. I don't attend them anymore, but for people who would still like to, I think it's ridiculous to charge that much. That's a whole 'nother subject, though.
---AlwaysOn on 2/18/11


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Wow, Donna66! A debt free church that doesn't pass a collection plate...that is something special, indeed!
---AlwaysOn on 2/18/11

It is not as rare as you might think. I went to a Plymouth Brethren/Mennonite church for 13 years. They never passed a plate or preached on tithing the whole time I was there. There was a small box on the wall at the back of the church where people put envelopes with their "freewill offerings". The building was paid for, and their were only three full time staff members whose salary needs were always met. I think they had a Biblical view of giving.
---obewan on 2/18/11


--My church does not teach tithing. They never even pass a collection plate! Amazingly, donations always cover the needs of the church. And we are debt free.
---Donna66 on 2/17/11

That is exactly how our church is as well.

When you become a member we have an orientation and explain the expenses of the church and show you a website where you can donate to help the church out.

Its amazing just how much people will donate when you're not putting them on the spot by passing a plate in front of them during the service.
---CraigA on 2/18/11


Wow, Donna66! A debt free church that doesn't pass a collection plate...that is something special, indeed!
---AlwaysOn on 2/18/11


Matt 25:40
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


I dont believe its wrong at all, z_man.

Moderator: YES it is!
---CraigA on 2/18/11


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Andy3996--What were the teachings of Jesus about the tithe? I recall only one reference Jesus made to tithing. Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The Pharisees did owe the tithe for the temple (or whatever other reason) by Jewish law.
Gentiles were never commanded to "tithe" to the "church". It's not a bad idea... only not mandatory. What a Christian gives, now, is his own choice.

My church does not teach tithing. They never even pass a collection plate! Amazingly, donations always cover the needs of the church. And we are debt free.
---Donna66 on 2/17/11


Why limit yourself to ten percent?
If we are the royal priesthood as believers, who is tithing to us so that we can tithe a tithe into the temple?
What did Abraham tithe from?
Wasn't it war spoils?
When was the last time we had spoils of war to tithe to Christ, our High Priest?
What did Jacob promise to tithe from?
Did he keep his promise?
Was Abraham's tithe a command or a custom?
How does the Holy Spirit affect us when a need arises?
Where does the Spirit led giving come into play when that need goes above ten percent?
Is it still considered a tithe if it is not ten percent?
Why call it a tithe at all if it is subject to change?
---micha9344 on 2/17/11


Donna66 as long as you put the tithe inside the law, you have not understood it. accordingly. the Jews did not give their tithe to support the temple, they gave the tithe of God for the service of the temple servants,so that there would be food in God's house.(they never brought their tithe to God, rather they brought God's tithe into HIS storeroom.
Abraham gave the tithe to Melchisedek priest of the most High(Genesis) that was before the Law, this fact is important in that faith in tithegiving is nessecarely expressed. to bring God's tithe into His house (the church) is an act of faith indeed, and according Jesus teachings, it should not be neglected. also the workers in God's house are NOT free to do what they please with the tithe of God.
---andy3996 on 2/17/11


I live in US and earn a paycheck-money which pays for pastor and staff, the priest and Levi's of the OT. Also my church has a outreach programs that it gives to.
---Scott on 2/16/11

Scott, look again these preacher/teacher priest are not the levites of the Old Covenant.
These today would be rejected for the most part. Yeah, they make their money and wear sheep clothing or kings clothing....but, run and abandon when something scary comes along.
I wouldn't give many of them another nickel and no organization of man doctrine a penny.
You qualify by innocence, they never will.
Acts 20:29
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
---Trav on 2/16/11


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You obviously have never consulted your Bible for a topical study on the word tithe.

1/3 of all Old Testament tithes went to help people in need - not the "local" church. And they were always food and not money.
---obewan on 2/8/11
The word tithe means 10%. See Abraham's plunder to Mel.
Malachi 3:10 -Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. In agricultural/ shepard economy this is food product. I live in US and earn a paycheck-money which pays for pastor and staff, the priest and Levi's of the OT. Also my church has a outreach programs that it gives to.
---Scott on 2/16/11


Andy3996 --//ARE YOU saying that with the law everything belonged to God and now some are his and other things are ours???
No, not sure what made you think so.

Everything has always belonged to God. The Jews were commanded to give 10% of whatever they had acquired, for support of the temple. Today there is no temple and no "Law" concerning the tithe. In fact, Jesus told some that followed Him to give up everything...not just a tithe. Now, without a specific percentage required, it is "2Cr 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart,so let him give,not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver."
Selfishness and neglect of the needy are sins. God still judges sin.
---Donna66 on 2/15/11


Donna66, is it impossible to rob God today? you said: "It's an impossibility to "rob" God, since He owns everything and needs nothing. AND: "When the Hebrews were under the law, perhaps they "robbed" the temple by not paying tithes"
ARE YOU saying that with the law everything belonged to God and now some are his and other things are ours? when God says everything is mine, bring the tithe of all I gave to you into my house, he says bassically that all is his but you can use 90 percent.But inspite God's generosity, people still crave the ten percent God said not to use for our own,the stingy do not inherit thye kingdom.
---andy3996 on 2/15/11


Aka-- What you say is very true. It's an impossibility to "rob" God, since He owns everything and needs nothing.

When the Hebrews were under the law, perhaps they "robbed" the temple by not paying tithes. Now we are to freely give as we have received. We are to feed the hungry and care for the sick. But there is a caution! Mat 6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men
---Donna66 on 2/14/11


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//if indeed you do what you say you do, then give glory to God.//

how ironic.

you are right, i do not give anything. please spend your time more wisely.
---aka on 2/13/11


Aka, do you really give what you say you give? by thye way where is my pride when i speak about the fact that you did not give yet? or is it because it hurts to talk to someone who gave all to christ which makes you bitter. if indeed you do what you say you do, then give glory to God. but let us be reasonable mosst people that speak like you do never give anything unless its a broken chair a doorless closset or a tax refundable donation. actually it all belongs to Jesus but God tells us, not to give 10 percent but that we can keep 90 percent for our own needs, and still there are those who steal of the ten that is allready God's..
---andy3996 on 2/12/11


Tithing your time equals 144 minutes a day, 16.8 hours a week, or aprox. 72 hours a month. Anything more or less is not ten percent.
---micha9344 on 2/9/11


In answer to your question..Yes that is more of what God would have us do. I too tithe my time talent and money to individuals that God brings into my life and who's needs I can meet. When I do go to church, I usually put some money into the offering but not nearly as much as I have given to folks in need. Also, It is pretty rare for me to go to a church. But don't get me started..lol
---jody on 2/9/11


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I believe it is more Christians like to help your neighbor or anyone in need that it is to help the churches. I know that statement goes against the grain but that is what I believe. I give money to those in need and to missionaries, the missionaries I give to I know exactly what their message is in other words I give to those who are soulwinners.
---mima on 2/9/11


That is a great GIFT to your friend neighbor but it is not part of your tithe. Your tithe is 10% or more that goes to your local church.
---Scott on 2/7/11

You obviously have never consulted your Bible for a topical study on the word tithe.

1/3 of all Old Testament tithes went to help people in need - not the "local" church. And they were always food and not money.
---obewan on 2/8/11


That is a great GIFT to your friend neighbor but it is not part of your tithe. Your tithe is 10% or more that goes to your local church.
---Scott on 2/7/11


z-man, It is very commendable that you are moved to help your neighbor whom is in need, would to God that all people were moved like you into helping the people needing help. If each soul would do their part and love their neighbor as themself, then hunger and poverty would be stamped out across the world: but it is sin that one person can eat 3 squares of rich food every day while their neighbor is starving and scavenging for scraps from garbage cans merely to survive.
---Eloy on 2/7/11


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//andy,...i would say because of this freedom, we are now free to give generously as the Spirit leads and not out of obligation of the flesh...// aka

it is because of this mentality that I am able to give more than 10% to my local body and missionaries.

(btw - because of your blogs, i detect that you have a hard time listening to others. your pride of "giving it all" has deafened you. Mar 4:20 And these are they which are sown on good ground, such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.)

it is the Spirit who leads us not the guilt trip you are trying to lay on us. Have faith in God not other human beings. you have no idea what i am doing here.
---aka on 2/6/11


You give simply because you want to help the person in distress, and the need is not yourself whom is not the one in distress. I recall once when it was time to put money in the offering plate, and mind you I was very poor at the time, that I was so moved by the Spirit, that I went up and totally emptied out my wallet in the plate, knowing that it was all that I had, but I did not care for I wanted to give everything, and I was not thinking that I will be starving for the rest of the month. Our hearts must be "sold-out" to the Lord, and we should want to give everything for him because he is deserving of our very best that we can give, and nothing less is right for him.
---Eloy on 2/6/11


Andy 3996 //I did give all up for Christ//
CONGRATULATIONS

Mar 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions, and in the world to come eternal life.
---Donna66 on 2/5/11


Aka, t is exactely this mentality "for nothing you received it for nothing thou shalt give" thats been pulled out of proportions that causes missions to go out of ministry. here in Togo i have seen at least 6 missions braking up camp al due to a lack of money.In reality if one believes that Christ gave all to us we shoulld give it all to Him. besides those saying hat the tithe is OT and an insult to GOD should in respect to the NT teachings sell their house, land cars and other properties and lay everything down at thye feet of the miisters of God for indeed they are worthy of a greater crime that is NOT TO GIVE ALL TO JESUS. PS. if wondering, I did give all up for Christ
---andy3996 on 2/5/11


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Micha: I do not know even how much we should give (yes, the OT lists it is 10%, but is it the same for us? Not sure)

What I feel is that we should give more than we want to - that is to say, give something up (of what we spend) so that we can give more

Not that I always follow that, I must confess - but I think that would be the best
---Peter on 2/1/11


Peter, I agree...
---micha9344 on 2/1/11


Each of us will likely have people around us who are in need (sad bt true). So the question is not really whether the tithe shouuld be 10%, as in the OT, or more.

The question is to whom is it best to give?

That is always difficult, and it depends on our particular situation

but there is nothing wrong with neglecting to give money to the church because we saw our neighbour needed all we had to give
---Peter on 2/1/11


The widow's offering may not have been a tithe but it was certainly honored by God. Makes me feel kinda bad in comparison to her.
---Mary on 1/31/11


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I'll repeat this that I did from another question.
What the widow gave was not a tithe for several reasons, two being that it was not ten percent and that it was not from her increase of livestock or produce.
---micha9344 on 1/29/11


Tithing is ALL giving (as long as we give wisely)

Christians are (as in the story of the Samaritan) to give, even when this means they (we) end up in a financially painful situation (like the widow at the temple)
---Peter on 1/29/11


No, not tithes, for tithing which means 10% may or may not be enough money to help your neighbor. This whole doctrine of tithing is an o.t. doctrine and is an insult to God, for Jesus is worth much more than 10%, and tithing brings a curse upon all whom trust in it, for 10% is blasphemy to God. God did not hang 10% of himself upon the cross for you, but he gave his all, and he expects us to do likewise and give our all. Pray, and give what amount is right to your neighbor.
---Eloy on 1/29/11


andy,

i will rephrase for you ...
well, Jesus paid our "tithes" (notice the quotation marks...our debts) once and for all. we can no longer rob God of anything because it (debt...all shortcomings) has been paid (fulfilled).

i would say because of this freedom, we are now free to give generously as the Spirit leads and not out of obligation of the flesh.

what troubles you in what I say?
---aka on 1/28/11


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Why limit yourself to ten percent?
---micha9344 on 1/28/11


AkA, you do realise that Abraham, and Jakob gave theire tithes before the law? that Jesus did confirm that we should give our tithes but we should not neglect the 1st of the law that is to love etcetera. one might say IN Christ all my tithes are paid, that ius your right, but as for me tithes are an act of faith. and therefore as a believer i am willing to give my (one) Abrahamic tithe of faith to the LORD. but that is just an adding and should by no means be a dispute.now i explained my prsonally vission upon it.
---andy3996 on 1/28/11


//there where three tithes surely.//
---andy3996

actually, i once knew there were more than i said, but that was not my point anyway.

my point first is that after the resurrection of Jesus Christ, we are all one in Christ and not throwbacks. if we are throwbacks then we have to realize by law, by paying only 10%, we are not fulfilling our obligation.

//there must be another way if you think about it//

well, Jesus paid our "tithes" once and for all. we can no longer rob God of anything because it has been paid (fulfilled).

we must have faith in Him knowing that God can already afford what He wills, and our generosity led by Spirit will go to what He wills.
---aka on 1/27/11


So, let's see among the 41 times '`asar' or 'ma`aser' is used, how many are which tithe...
3x used before Levitical law..
3x in Lev 27 'What' the tithe is
6x in Num 18 'Whom' it is distributed to.
3x in Deu 12 'Where' to bring it and 'who' can eat.
4x in Deu 14 'When' and 'How' to bring it and 'what' happens to the third year tithe.
3x in Deu 26:12 'How' to treat your first tithe after you inherit the land.
2x in 1Sa 8 The king will take a tenth of your possesions.
4x in 2Ch 31 Reinstituting the tithe.
8x in Neh Also Reinstitution.
The other 8x in Eze, Amo, and Mal.
---micha9344 on 1/26/11


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As a "faith missionry" retired, (which means we lived only on contributions), I strongly believe that the tithe belongs to the church you attend. The church also has expenses. In the 32 we were on the mission field, one my jobs was fund raising, and I always stated that you don't "rob Peter to pay Paul" and we tithed what funds we got to the church we attended. When we faced with a situation such as yours, we did both, and never came up short on the finances. If God owns the cattle on a thousands hills, He can supply you with funds to help your neighbor without cheating your church.
---wivv on 1/26/11


Yes three, of course the third tithe, since it was to be used for yourself to celebrate the celebrations of the Lord, is not really shown in our studies. but a good investigation of the scriptures concerning the tithe will show a clear difference.
so Praise GOD hE WANT'S US TO CELEBRATE.
---andy3996 on 1/26/11


three tithes?
---micha9344 on 1/25/11


aka, there where three tithes
the tithe fo the temple, the thithe for the levite, poor and foreigner in your gate, and the tithe of celebration to be used in the anual religious jewish festivals. the church usually collects the first tithe (for the temple) and never teaches about the other two. then again most people never give their tithes on the fruitrs. now comming back to the question, why robbing one (your church) to give to another? surely there must be another way if you think about it.
---andy3996 on 1/25/11


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if you give up tithing, you will have enough to give generously with cheer to your neighbors and to your God.

tithing is an obligation, there is no law that binds cheerfully giving.

(btw - for those that give only 10%...you are robbing God. there were 2 annual tithes (2 - one tenths 20%) and a tithe (tenth) every three years for the poor and strangers.) total 20 1/3 per annum.

Give as generously as you can without thought of yourself
---aka on 1/24/11


First of all what you do with your money is your business. Period... If you see someone in need wouldn't it be the christian thing to feed or clothe someone in need? Isn't that what Jesus would do?
The answer to your question do it..Don't get bogged down by what PEOPLE think is political correct. You know someone is hurting help them by all means.
---vivian on 1/24/11


The Old Testament definition of Tithing includes a mandate that a full 1/3 of all tithes taken in go to take care of the poor, widows, and those who have special needs.

If your church is not doing that I see nothing wrong with you giving 1/3 of your tithe directly to those in need. It is scriptural whereas giving a full 10% to a church that cares not for the poor is not.

Then too, OT tithes were food only and not money. And, my understanding is that it is no longer law anyway. Freewill offerings apply today.
---obewan on 1/23/11


This is a personal thing & should be done only after prayer for direction. I personally feel that the tithe belongs to the church & the church should be the one to help if tithe is used because tithe belongs to God. However, if I felt the need to help them myself, I'd use money above my tithe, an offering to give them. Like I said, You should let God lead you in what direction to take, especially since it's money that belongs to Him.
---Reba on 1/23/11


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z_man "And the King will answer and say [unto you], 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.' "Mat 25:40(NKJV)
"If you help the poor, 'you are lending to the LORD'--and he will repay you! "Pro 19:17(NLT)
"And if you give even a cup of cold water to one of the least of My followers, you will surely be rewarded" Mat 10:42(NLT)
"Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart."1Pe 1:22
"[For] this commandment have we from Him, That he that loves God love also his brother." 1Jo 4:21(DBY)
---josef on 1/22/11


Unless he is a Levite, no...
But you can freely offer monetarily, resourcefully, and/or sacrificially because of the blessings bestowed upon you daily for God loves a cheerful giver.
Why limit it to 10 percent?
---micha9344 on 1/22/11


Christians are free to give away their money and time as they see fit, whether they call it tithing, charity, as by any other name. Just do it. :-)
---John.usa on 1/22/11


God should get 10% before you do anything else. If my neighbors were destitute, I would eat beans and help my neighbor. There is much we can do without to help someone else.
---shira3877 on 1/22/11


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Nothing wrong with it at all.

But, keep it between you and your neighbor.

Jesus said not to go around blowing a trumpet about the good we might do, looking for others to notice how Godly we appear.
---James_L on 1/22/11


I've been faced with this issue before, have prayed on it and I agree with the Moderator.
---AlwaysOn on 1/22/11


Well, I hope you're not waiting to get our answer, before you do (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 1/22/11


We aren't living in OT times where we give ten percent of everything. We now give with a cheerful heart. Helping your neighbors is what needs to be done. God wants you to give what you can, he doesn't need money in heaven he needs people to help eachother.
---candice on 1/22/11


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I don't think it would be wrong, if this is what you want to do. It is our choice if we choose to pay tithes to a church. It is not mandatory. But do put something aside for the church(offering). The bills have to be paid at our houses of worship.
---Robyn on 1/22/11


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