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Salvation With Baptism

If salvation is to be gained through baptism why would Paul make the statement he does in I Corinthians 1:17? Does not this statement alone proves that baptism does not equate with salvation?

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//If salvation is to be gained through baptism why would Paul make the statement he does in I Corinthians 1:17?//

Paul knew, as anyone should, that if "water" baptism had anything to do with salvation, the risen Christ would have made it a commandment for the boC, as He did for the Apostles to the nation of Israel.
---michael_e on 2/19/11


1Pe 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1Pe 3:22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
---aka on 2/9/11


I am so surprised that on this
Christian site,there are so many people that mis-apply and
mis-interpret the scripture.
You all seem to enjoy debates
that serve no purpose ---LionofJudah on 2/7/11

Wow, have we been needing you. Now live your name,puddytat.
Noticed you posted the witnessing scripture that will rebuke the rebukable into shape to suit your judgment.

Reminds me of the guy that won't go to church because he says it full of hypocrites. Hey, it occurred to me....you're just what is needed in that church. A christian who is not a hypocrite...can be an example to the hypo's.
Luke 6:41
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
---Trav on 2/8/11


Spiritual baptism

Rom. 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:....
Col.2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him...
Christ was dead, and the same thing happens to us in the realm of old Adam. Old Adam has to die, and as He died, we died in the mind of God. He saw us in the tomb, and that's the baptism in vse 4. we were engulfed in that three days in the tomb experience of Christ Himself, so also we have died,

to experience resurrection from the grave we had to go into it. But we're not going to stay there any more than Christ did, we are resurrected out of it. . Christ died for our sins, and that as He died, we have to die, and out of that death we get new eternal life.
---michael_e on 2/8/11


1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
---kathr4453 on 2/7/11




I am so surprised that on this
Christian site,there are so many people that mis-apply and
mis-interpret the scripture.
You all seem to enjoy debates
that serve no purpose,it is
the confusion that you all plant on the minds of the new
Christians that do more harm that Satan likes what you all do to the new converts.
---LionofJudah on 2/7/11


michael e,
you're good at saying what you think something DOESN'T mean, but why don't you tell what something DOES mean?

What did Paul mean when he said we are BURIED with Jesus in baptism?

What DOES it mean, michael?

Please don't tell us again what you think it DOESN'T mean.

Tell us, michael, what it DOES mean.

Tell us also what it means to be RAISED to a newness of life. Raised from what?

Separated from the Spirit after being immersed in Him?

Oh, I already aswered your question before you asked it. Read my posts again.
---James_L on 2/6/11


//As a matter of fact, Jesus wasn't buried at all. His body was placed in a tomb.//
Why would you state a "fact" that is contradictory to the real facts?
// why do you try to take such a modern day understanding of burial and press it onto the idea of baptism//
Buried with Him in baptism has nothing to do with water.
---michael_e on 2/5/11


John 1:25 John the Baptist was asked, "Why baptizeth thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?" they weren't surprised as if it was new. Apparently they expected the practice in connection with the coming Messiah. this expectation had to come from OT Scriptures? The Mosaic Law was in force during the ministries of John and Christ. Heb. 9:17 "A testament is of force AFTER men are dead." the new covenant couldn't replace the old until after the death of Christ. water baptism is a ceremonial cleansing pertaining to the kingdom promised to the nation Israel. Nowhere in Scripture is water baptism used to symbolize a burial. These scriptues are spiritual not water Rom. 6:3, Gal 3:27, Col 2:12.
---michael_e on 2/5/11


\\It's from the erroneous definition that the whole idea of baptism as a burial with Christ in water has evolved. \\

What you're saying, michael_e, is that you'd rather believe ANYTHING than what Jesus and the Bible clearly said.
---Cluny on 2/5/11




\\And that he was BURIED and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures\\
---michael_e on 2/5/11

EXACTLY. So since he wasn't put in a hole with dirt thrown on top, which is our present day understanding of being buried, then why do you try to take such a modern day understanding of burial and press it onto the idea of baptism???
---James_L on 2/5/11


//As a matter of fact, Jesus wasn't buried at all//
Paul in his gospel says He was.
1 Cor.15:1 Moreover, brethren,I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received,and wherein ye stand, 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,
4 And that he was BURIED and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
---michael_e on 2/5/11


\\The fact is that Christ was not buried in water.\\
---michael_e on 2/5/11

michael e,
As a matter of fact, Jesus wasn't buried at all. His body was placed in a tomb.

So then what did Paul mean that we are buried with Him in baptism?

What did Paul mean that we are raised to a newness of life?

Please tell.
---James_L on 2/5/11


It's from the erroneous definition that the whole idea of baptism as a burial with Christ in water has evolved. The fact is that Christ was not buried in water. No one buries people in water, except, when at sea.

In general Scriptural usage the word baptism indicates complete identification, whether with an element, a person or a group. This is why Paul said in Romans 6:3, "As many of us as were baptized into Christ were baptized into his death. "In other words, the only way to become one with Christ is to be identified with Him in His death by faith.

1Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body...
---michael_e on 2/5/11


Cluny,

I absolutely believe baptism has efficacy.

I don't believe baptism is related to redemption and regeneration.

As Peter wrote, it a cleansing of the conscience, and Paul wrote that we are buried with Christ in baptism, and raised to a newness of life.

Peter also said it is necessary for "remission of sins" which is the same thing John the Baptist's was for. Early church literature attests to this, too.

The strain is when peopole equate remission of sins with eternal life. It isn't. Remission of sins is temporal, familial forgiveness, as it cannot be demonstrated to be a message for non-believers.

Baptism cleanses our conscience to forget about the past, and confession keeps it clean.
---James_L on 2/1/11


water baptism indicates or symbolizes ceremonial cleansing. We don't bury in water, but we do wash in water and this is the meaning associated with water baptism in Scripture.
Peter said in Acts 2:38, "repent and be baptized," did he mean "repent and be buried"? Of course not. He meant repent and be cleansed. Water baptism symbolizes cleansing-not burial-and this is why the question in John 3:23-25 about purification in connection with the baptism of John.

Acts 22:16 Ananias told Saul, "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins." "Wash away" does not spell "bury."

Never in Scripture does WATER baptism refer to burial, but always to cleansing.
---michael_e on 2/1/11


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We must take the whole bible in context. This said, how many cases of conversion do not include baptism? I submit that we side with the abundance of evidence, with baptism. If some one choses not to do this it is still between them and God, not us.
---lawre7694 on 2/1/11


\\I totally agree with this post----

"I do not believe baptism is anywhere near regeneration, though. It is a cleansing of the conscience so we can walk in newness of life (Rom 6:4-6)
---James_L on 1/31/11
---mima on 2/1/11\\

So, you two DO agree that water baptism has some kind of spiritual efficacy.

**Water Baptism belongs to the nation of Israel and was required for their salvation.
In this "dispensation of the grace of God" salvation is by grace through faith apart from Israel.**

So you're claiming that Philip did not baptize the Ethiopian, Peter did not baptize Cornelius, and Paul didn't baptize some people in Corinth and Phillippi--all of whom were Gentiles?
---Cluny on 2/1/11


Cluny: 'St. Peter wrote, "Baptism doth now save us."'

St.Peter may well have said that, but how can we be sure, when it was not included in the Bible

After all, St.Peter also spoke to Jesus telling Jesus not to be crucified!

Even saints can make mistakes!
---Peter on 2/1/11


I totally agree with this post----

"I do not believe baptism is anywhere near regeneration, though. It is a cleansing of the conscience so we can walk in newness of life (Rom 6:4-6)
---James_L on 1/31/11
---mima on 2/1/11


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Water baptism is a "Hebrew water rite" that opened the door to the kingdom for the nation of Israel during Christ' earthly ministry.
By rightly divide the word of truth we give Israel what belongs to Israel and we give the boC what belongs to the boC.
Water Baptism belongs to the nation of Israel and was required for their salvation.
In this "dispensation of the grace of God" salvation is by grace through faith apart from Israel.
There are different kinds of baptism in the Word Of God and only one is with water.
Paul says there is but "one baptism" for the age of grace.
This one baptism is where the believer is placed into the body of Christ and has nothing to do with water.
---michael_e on 2/1/11


1 Cor 1:17 says NOTHING about what salvation does

It is totally irrelevant to that question

Why do we get into this.... if we do not understand how to read scripture, at least let us not discuss what we don't understand!
---Steve on 2/1/11


You don't base a doctrine on just one verse, mima.

St. Peter wrote, "Baptism doth now save us."
---Cluny on 2/1/11


No, Mima.
It doesn't prove that baptism isn't part of the gospel.

If someone believes in baptismal regeneration, it could easily be argued that Paul is saying:

"For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach baptism"

Plus, Peter says "Correspoding to that (Noah, Flood), baptism now saves you - not a removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience - through the resurrection of Jesus Christ." (1 Peter 3:21)

It is not merely an "outward sign" as many teach. Outward sign is nowhere found in Scripture.

I do not believe baptism is anywhere near regeneration, though. It is a cleansing of the conscience so we can walk in newness of life (Rom 6:4-6)
---James_L on 1/31/11


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Acts 18:8 "And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house, and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized."

The sequence is believe and be baptized. Water baptism does not save but rather a confirmation you have received salvation in Jesus Christ. Romans 6:3,

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."
---christan on 2/1/11


Questionable, at least.

In Mark 16:16, Jesus lists both 'he who believes and is baptised', but the negative is 'does not believe' (without baptism)

I take it to mean that both are required, but that baptism without belief (possibly including infant baptism, where the baby is not at an age to believe) is useless
---Peter on 2/1/11


Mima: The fact PAUL was not sent to baptise does not mean baptism is unimportant

It was just not Paul's job

Important or not, I'm not sure

But the verse you quote is not a solution
---James on 2/1/11


No. Holy Scriptures, the Early God-Bearing, Ancient Liturgical Texts, and Ancient Icons of scenes of the ceremony of Baptism, all teach Baptismal Regeneration (never a act of men, but purely a act of the Holy Spirit). Why do you doubt such Apostolic Tradition?

By the way Mima, Salvation is NOT obtained by reciting a man-made sinner's prayer, a dead work.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/31/11


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