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To Many People To Be Fruitful

In Gen 1:28, God told man to be fruitful and multiply. If there was no death, if man continued to multiply, would it not mean man would run out of places to live? Or am I missing something?

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Trav ... Just to clarify ... which people of this woorld do you regard as being inn the 11/12 for whom Christ came?

And which people did He not come for?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/12/11


Hebrew and Israelite are considered synonyms of Jew, but this might not be true.---Cluny on 2/11/11

They are all 1/12th correct. Throw Jacob in. Judah equals 1/12th of Jacob.
Judean would be definingly accurate. Gives proper national context.
Jew is slang, from King James time period.
Israel= Collective nations ruling with EL.
Before North House divorce,Israel was a collective of the wife of GOD. And still can be. North House lost her married name, but is still the 11/12th of the sheep that Christ came for.
Amos 9:9For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
GOD will sift them out.
---Trav on 2/11/11


//referring to the 10 "ethnos"nations of Israel that lost their married name by divorce.//

trav, the 10 bridesmaids...are they representative of the 10 tribes?---aka on 2/11/11

Yes. They are called "Virgins"... a noticable distinction. But,when the husband dies the former wife is free to marry again. She can be legally by GOD's law be married/covenanted again....now.
Northern House of Ten was divorced.
Note also the "Ten" servants. "Ten" coins...."The Ten" disciples etc.
Scripture will explain itself if one does not read into it preconceived or learned doctrines. They are very hard to unlearn. I know personally. It took several prophets and hundreds of witnesses.
---Trav on 2/11/11


\\Was Adam a Jew? \\

Probably not.

The word "Jew" is used in only TWO books of the OT: several times in Esther and just once Zechariah.

Hebrew and Israelite are considered synonyms of Jew, but this might not be true.
---Cluny on 2/11/11


//referring to the 10 "ethnos"nations of Israel that lost their married name by divorce.//

trav, the 10 bridesmaids...are they representative of the 10 tribes?
---aka on 2/11/11




"Only Israel had the law." Trav
Was Adam a Jew?
... who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness,... 2:14,15 ----christan on 2/10/11

Judah is not all Israel,only 1/12th.
One people only, were given the laws in heart and mind in Heb 8:10/Jer 31:33.
Note co-relation...a witness to your "gentiles", referring to the 10 "ethnos"nations of Israel that lost their married name by divorce.

Adam +Israel.
Reference:Deut 32:8
When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
---Trav on 2/10/11


What is true is that God chose Israel to reveal Himself through the 10 commandments as to how Holy He was.
---christan on 2/10/11

Not only that but God revealed the plan of salvation through the types and shaddows of the Law and the tabernacle. He made all things according to the pattern in heaven.

The Law of sacrifice(blood), as well as the Types and shaddows RE: Mercy seat, sprinkling of Blood, etc was a picture of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/11


"Only Israel had the law." Trav

Was Adam a Jew? He was the first man God created from dust and the first man that God gave the law of obedience to. And the first man to break the law earning us all death. As for all man after Adam,

"for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them" Romans 2:14,15 - God gave man "conscience".

What is true is that God chose Israel to reveal Himself through the 10 commandments as to how Holy He was.
---christan on 2/10/11


Paul was under the Law From the time he was born. Paul, a Pharisee believed himself BLAMELESS concerning the Law. He possible saw himself saved too under the law. He never saw the law as bringing death, like many here who misunderstand the purpose of the Law. They have a ZEAL for righteousness but not according to faith.
Once Paul was saved, The Life of Christ in him, was at war with the Law. We can read his testimony in Philippians 3. This is what Paul is talking about in Romans 7, a struggle with one who is now saved still having that old nature, (his old nature believing he was perfect) but found that the Law now was bring death to him instead of self-righteousness.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/11


MarkV- I appreciated your post of 2/9. It summarized and clarified the issue of sin in the world. Very helpful.
---Donna66 on 2/10/11




Christan, Rom.5:13 sharing "sin is not imputed when there is no law",
---Shawn.M.T. on 2/9/11

Only Israel had the law. As below.
4Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises,

5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

It is Israel in All of Romans that is being referred too. The marriage law is concerning the divorce of the Northern House of 10 nations. By law they could not be remarried until the "husband died".
Christ died....freeing the Nth Lost Sheep OTHOI.
---Trav on 2/10/11


Where does it say that Cain married in Nod or, for that matter, that his wife was from Nod?
Eve was the mother of all living, thst should say it all.
Where's your witnesses?
---micha9344 on 2/10/11


The descendants of Adam didn't know that death had come to them until the Mosaic law was given. ---Mark_V. on 2/10/11

Not so according to scripture...DEATH REIGNED from Adam to Moses..and in Adam all die. Romans 2

You eat, you DIE, and they knew it too. Genesis 1-3
---kathr4453 on 2/10/11


Wow nevermind. I see you like to twist words as well.---CraigA on 2/9/11

Sorry, offended n that point. Cain, went to Nod and Married.....who? Where did these nodites come from?

Why are they not mentioned previously.

Because 1,600 years went past it's vague? I agree it is vague. But there is enough to get us to Noah,Abraham,Issac, Jacob & Israel.

Genesis 5:1
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in likeness of God made he him,
Deuteronomy 32:8
When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
---Trav on 2/10/11


Amen Shawn. Loved your last post. You knocked that one out of the park brother!
---ginger on 2/9/11


Shawn, it's pointless to continue this discourse and let's agree to disagree.
---christan on 2/10/11


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Shawn, the difference is the written law and the law that Adam broke that brought death.
The descendants of Adam didn't know that death had come to them until the Mosaic law was given. As far as they were concern they were alive. "sin is not imputed" Though all men were regarded as sinners (v.12) because there was no explicit list of commands, there was no strict accounting of their specific points of violation, "Where there is no law" is the period from Adam to Moses before the Mosaic Law. Rom. 7:10 Paul says, "I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died." As far as he was concern he was alive, when the law came, he understood he was really dead.
---Mark_V. on 2/10/11


-- Christan & MarkV :

Brethren, No one is claiming sin didn't enter the world of man when Adam disobeyed God's Command, as stated in Rom.5:12.

When I shared Rom.5:13 it was kept in its proper context, b/c Rom.5:12 is informing us that by one man, sin entered into the world of men & passed death upon all mankind by the law, "but until the law sin was in the world", as shared in Rom.5:13. The latter half of Rom.5:13 is sharing how sin could be in the world, before the 'Fall', but not imputed upon man.

Christan, Rom.5:13 sharing "sin is not imputed when there is no law", is in no way the same accusation you're trying to claim of "if there's no law, there's no sin".
---Shawn.M.T. on 2/9/11


Wow nevermind. I see you like to twist words as well.

I never said he married 1600 years later. That time period was given as a possible time Genesis was **written**. Unless you think Adam was taking notes as God made everything :P

If youre teaching a class in 2011 on the history of native americans and you tell of how they spread to Oklahoma 500 years ago...does that mean "Oklahoma" existed prior to 1834? Of course not. Youre just using that name to help people understand the location youre talking about, just as the author of Genesis is doing with the land of Nod and city of Enoch.
---CraigA on 2/9/11


Trav,are you confusing the MORAL law and the Law of Moses? The MORAL law was and still is in all mans conscience...except for the Jeffery Dommers of the world.

When Adam & Eve sinned, they immediately knew they were naked, and were ashamed. God asked, "who told you you were naked?"...answer..NO ONE, their conscience bore witness to that fact.
That was the point..no one TOLD them...they just knew!
---kathr4453 on 2/8/11

Really like this post sis.
---gigner on 2/9/11


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Shawn T, brother thank you for your answer. I did not mean there was no sin before Adam's fall. Of course Lucifer had sinned already. But Adam was our representative not Lucifer. Death was for those angels not humans, the reason hell was made for them. No law had been given to Adam until God commanded him not to eat of the tree in the middle of the garden, of good and evil. Up until that time there was no death for humans. When Adam sinned, all of his descendants fail also. He broke the law of God, so, By one man sin death came to all man. I look forward to your answer, thank you brother.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/11


At time Genesis was written (over 1600 years later) those places existed.

Cain had a son and built a city named after his son, Enoch. ---CraigA on 2/9/11

Well, silly me. I see what you mean. He waited 1,600 years until they could write,then married a sister.

Naw...it is speculation on your part....and on mine....based on what we have to work with. Mine smidgen more logical given what we are about the Sons of Adam.

Deuteronomy 32:8
When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
9For the LORD's portion is his people, Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
---Trav on 2/9/11


Shawn,

It's one thing to quote half a verse and another not to read the verse in context with the rest. You quoted "For until the law sin was in the world" to justify that sin existed before God even created Adam. Sin is an act of disobedience to God, it cannot exist by it's own.

Scripture contradict you on this theology of yours. Genesis 1:31 "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." Which means there was no sin yet.

Now, let's complete the half verse that you quoted, "but sin is not imputed when there is no law." Which means that sin was committed when Adam disobeyed God's command (Gen 2:17). Romans 5:12 declares this before verse 13.
---christan on 2/9/11


Trav,

16And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden

At the time Genesis was written (over 1600 years later) those places existed.

Cain had a son and built a city named after his son, Enoch.
---CraigA on 2/9/11


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Trav,
When Adam & Eve sinned, they immediately knew they were naked, and were ashamed.

NO ONE, their conscience bore witness to that fact.
That was the point..no one TOLD them...they just knew!
---kathr4453 on 2/8/11

Grab some National Geo mags about ten years worth at local Goodwill.
Find Sth America, Australia, Africa etc. Some peoples/nations do not have laws in heart and mind....even your A & E morality laws. Can they learn them? Yes. Are they blessed in learning them? Yes.
Katr, you make a fine point. But, jump outside the box. I know, I know...was forty before I got out of the trees and noticed a forest.
---Trav on 2/9/11


---Banished to a safe city...of pre Adamites?---Trav


What in the world?
---CraigA on 2/8/11

Correctly that question in Genesis would be: "What in the "Erets"? (Hebrew)

Cain killed Abel. Can was marked....ended up where?

To whom?
Where did this city come from? Adam?
---Trav on 2/9/11


---Banished to a safe city...of pre Adamites?---Trav


What in the world?
---CraigA on 2/8/11


-- Christan :

you saying before the law there was sin?... I'm sure it wasn't from Scripture.--Christan

Brother, Actually Scriptures share that Truth in Rom.5:13. So, You're gonna need to relinquish what you're SURE is & is not in Scriptures, b/c "Until the law sin was in the world", and no where in scripture does it state your claim of "If there's no law, there's no sin"... That's nothing but the REASONING theology of man !!!

--- MarkV :

Brother, Believing there was no sin nor death in the world before the 'Fall', has nothing to do with God's divinely inspired Word in Scriptures, and everything to do with man's theology which many have blindly put their faith in believing.
---Shawn.M.T on 2/8/11


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Hebrews 11:6
"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
Hebrews 11 clearly teaches what faith does. ---christan on 2/8/11

Thanks for seasoning the meat, & the benefit of "seeking GOD diligently".
Grab a fork, seen u already have a knife..

Romans 2:14,15 - ..., who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness,....

Hebrews 8:10
.... I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
---Trav on 2/9/11


Romans 2:14,15 - "for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them"

God separates the saved from unsaved through the Justification of Faith. Abel's offering was pleasing to God's eyes because of Faith. Cain's offering was without. "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Hebrews 11:6

Hebrews 11 clearly teaches what faith does.
---christan on 2/8/11


This is a silly argument. God gave us a conscience for a reason.
That is why the gentiles who are without the law are still guilty. (According to who? You?)
---CraigA on 2/8/11

Silly & unseen to you? Documented it's seen by GOD to Israel.
Interesting, that Cain was punished under the pre-Mosaic law. Banished to a safe city...of pre Adamites? They'd take him.

Interesting that most ethnic cultures have their own laws....example the Sharia law invading/testing ours and other Christian countries laws.
Also interesting how Christian/Countries laws model after GOD's laws.
Interesting how heathen laws are....heathen to Christians. Even Cain was different you say. Hmmm. Son of Adam. Hmmm.
---Trav on 2/8/11


Trav,are you confusing the MORAL law and the Law of Moses? The MORAL law was and still is in all mans conscience...except for the Jeffery Dommers of the world.

When Adam & Eve sinned, they immediately knew they were naked, and were ashamed. God asked, "who told you you were naked?"...answer..NO ONE, their conscience bore witness to that fact.
That was the point..no one TOLD them...they just knew!
---kathr4453 on 2/8/11


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This is a silly argument.

Are you suggesting that Cain didnt know he had done evil? There was no written law given at that time. Yet he was still held accountable for his sin.

God gave us a conscience for a reason. Ignoring it and claim ignorance as our defense wont cut it. That is why the gentiles who are without the law are still guilty.
---CraigA on 2/8/11


Sin without the law:
For when the (ethnos-divorced israel)Gentiles, which have not the law, ....

Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness,....---CraigA on 2/8/11

Please pardon...but, was a appropriate place pointing when and to who laws were written into the heart of. Expanding for some the cloaking latin mistranslation "gen-tile".
Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

And they are today. Have those laws in mind and heart? Some don't.
---Trav on 2/8/11


mike, you have totally failed to understand:

1. The Sabbath in the OT was pointing to a person, Christ. "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath." Mark 2:8 - the Christian now finds his rest in Christ when he is saved by grace. You are thinking like the Pharisees and the Jews, that obeying God's law was their way to salvation.

2. The wars fought in the OT was pointing to the spiritual war now when the Christian preaches the Gospel. When Christ came, did He command His people to fight wars? Of course not!

3. And to answer your first, "...for by the law is the knowledge of sin. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:20,23
---christan on 2/8/11


Sin without the law:

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another


A man's conscience is his built-in 10 commandments. The written Law (given later on) simply made our guilt undeniable and proved that we cannot save ourselves which (as Shawn said) shows us our need for Christ.
---CraigA on 2/8/11


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christian

sin is disobedience to god's law / commands

really? luke 13:10

christ healed a crippled woman on a sabbath.
but the indignant synagogue leader said 'there are six days for work. come & heal those days not sabbath.

so the law 'remember the sabbath & keep it holy'

so if that is your premise than christ has committed a sin.

what about the israelites who kill their enemy.
thou shall not kill & love your enemies
---mike on 2/7/11


That is surmizing. There is death, but if there was no death then Jesus could easily expand the size of the orb to a increase it in billions of miles to easily accomodate all the procreating.
---eloy7794 on 2/7/11


Shawn, you say "The law gave sin the strength to reign over man, as sin had ALREADY been doing over the rest of God's Creation before the 'Fall'"

Are you saying before the law there was sin? Where did you get this theology from? How can there be sin if there was no law? Do tell because I'm sure it wasn't from the Scripture.

Sin is an act of disobedience to God's law/command and that law that God gave Adam and later to Israel was meant only for mankind. God did not command His other creations to obey His law but only to Adam. That's why I believe that the evolution of man is wicked because it tells us that man is not under the law since they evolved from an ape or whatever the perverted mind says.
---christan on 2/7/11


Brother Shawn T, correct me if I am wrong but I believe what Christian wrote is Truth. Here is why, the command God gave Adam was law, Adam disobey God, sin, is rebellion against God. And by Adam disobeying he was breaking the law of God. And the wages of sin is death, so death came to all man by the breaking of the law. If there had been no command, there would have been no law. Then if Adam ate of the tree there would be no sin, no rebellion so no death. So, "Where there is no law there is no sin"
That is what I understood by his comments. I agree with him but will wait for your answer.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/11


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Al: "who knows...."

God does and he reveals himself and his plans to his people.
---Steveng on 2/6/11


-- Christian :

Brother, Your accusation of "if there's no law there's no sin" is scripturally unfounded.

Death is the wages of sin, and except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die it bringeth forth much fruit... It's death that allows the earth and everything in it(but Adam) to be fruitful as God first commanded before the 'Fall' !!!

Christian, The law gave sin the strength to reign over man, as sin had ALREADY been doing over the rest of God's Creation before the 'Fall'... but Only man is under the law do to the 'Fall', not the rest of creation. The law is OUR schoolmaster (not the rest of creation) to bring us unto Christ, that we might be Justified by Faith.
---ShawnM.T. on 2/6/11


Death is a spirit and an evil creation that was and is to deal with sin. And if there's no law there's no sin, for Scripture says

"The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law." 1 Corinthians 15:56

All of God's creation before Adam were not under the law, hence there was no death yet. And when Adam was created God put him under the law of obedience which he failed with flying colors activating death and hence all the creation fell together with the first man. Now can you see the devastation of the Fall?
---christan on 2/5/11


... my mentality is
at least I did not lie & started an illegal war that killed 150,000 women children, wasted $1.8 Trillion, destroyed families, supported a corrupt business like enron & professed to be a christian
---mike on 2/4/11

Yeah, you didn't lie. Ur just a Christian who is happy now with an abomination in office. Who supports perversion and baby murder. Ok. I hear your mentality.

You'll be much happier with the abomination in office now. He will and has already doubled some of your numbers above.
He is not a Christian or American. So we'll call him Chameleon.
He promises toput you in the chips.
Unfortunately the houses of demon-crats lost a few for your side...so there will be delays.
---Trav on 2/4/11


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If there was no death how would Adam & Eve understand God's warning "you will surely die"--1st Cliff

Well there may have been death before Adam and Eve..Adam and eve were created to work the land they came into being in Genesis Cpt 2, Man and woman had already been created in Genesis Cpt 1. There could have been death in those people, who knows....
---Al on 2/4/11


donna66

so? it is still the fact that I did not lie to start a war & killed 100s of thousands. that is not political that is a fact
---mike on 2/4/11


mike--We all have political opinions. I'm not sure what yours has to do with this topic.
If you want to discuss politics, why not start a blog for that purpose?
---Donna66 on 2/4/11


few will hear

so? my mentality is
at least I did not lie & started an illegal war that killed 150,000 women children, wasted $1.8 Trillion, destroyed families, supported a corrupt business like enron & professed to be a christian
---mike on 2/4/11


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to aka

few will hear

do you think people in this site listen? too much arguing disagreement. they have their own interpretation. and its funny with this kind of 'relationship' no wonder unbelievers see christians as bad witness.
---mike on 2/4/11


1Cliff, the answer to the question about death is not given to us in Genesis but is found in the answers Shawn T gave. Many of the answers are found later in Scripture. But God's justice is always perfect for He cannot be anything else. Whatever accounts we are given we have to concluded He is just always. He sets the morals standards of what is just and what is not.
---Mark_V. on 2/4/11


-- Jacob, Christian & Donna :

If there was no death how would Adam & Eve understand God's warning "you will surely die"--1st Cliff

Brethren, Placing 1st Cliff's REASONING and all other reasoning aside... Rom.5:13 is the assurance without a doubt of the Truth that by one man's sin the law entered & passed death upon all mankind, but until the law before the 'Fall' sin and it's wages of death was in the world.

Understand though that death didn't reign upon mankind until after the 'Fall' b/c sin is not imputed upon man when there is no law !!!




Until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Rom.5:13
---Shawn.M.T. on 2/3/11


1st Cliff -- I don't know whether Eve believed in death because she had observed it, or because God made her to understand that it was something she really didn't want.

No question that God never intended animals to live indefinitely.
---Donna66 on 2/3/11


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Donna 66, That's exactly my point,Eve did understand death.
The praying mantis is carnivorous, eating other insects and she kills and eats her mate after mating!
This is one small example.
This is not evolution , this is creation!
---1st_cliff on 2/3/11


mike, few will hear.
---aka on 2/2/11


1st Cliff--//If there was no death (creatures) how would Adam and eve understand God's warning "you will surely die"?

That is a good question! But God's justice isn't in question here. Eve sounded like she understood "death" when she spoke with the serpent. I wish Eve could tell us exactly what she understood about "death".
---Donna66 on 2/2/11


If there was no death (creatures) how would Adam and eve understand God's warning "you will surely die"
This would be unjust,to implement a "Penalty" when the penalty is not fully understood!
God is JUST!
---1st_cliff on 2/2/11


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Before Adam and Eve disobeyed God, there was no death as no sin against God's law was broken yet. Then came the first law to man from God in Genesis 2:16,17

"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." Romans 5:12

And all of God's creation in the world fell because of Adam's sin.
---christan on 2/2/11


ShawnM.T.: It is just that I cannot be sure.... we are neither told there was no death, not that there was death

So I take the question to be 'open'
---Jacob on 2/2/11


-- Jacob :

Brother, The thing you're missing is that this question is based on your speculation of "If there was no death"... But death & sin has always been in the world even before the 'Fall'.

"I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit." John 12:24

When God first said be Fruitful & Multiply, He was talking about the earth and everything in it but Adam !!!

Understand Jacob that "until the law sin was in the world" and so was death, but just not upon Adam til after the 'Fall' b/c "sin is not imputed when there is no law" (Rom.5:13).
---ShawnM.T. on 2/2/11


It was just a guess as this question is hypothetical.
---Moderator on 2/2/11


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MarkV: I'd also like to know why the moderator wrote that
---Lucy on 2/2/11


Elder: 'Don't you think that God could provide everything any amount of people would need?'

For God to do that, I think God would have to keep increasing the size of the earth, as eventually the very size would limit the numbers

Donna66: If there was death (with no condemnation, naturally) then the question does not apply

Was there death before the fall? I guess, since God placed a tree called eternal life, that may mean the life God gave Adam and Eve was not eternal
---Peter on 2/2/11


Psl.115.16, "The highest heavens belong to the Lord,but the earth He has given to man"
This is our *home*!
---1st_cliff on 2/2/11


does fruitful also mean to mature, be skilled, to be better?
aren't there FRUITS of the spirit which means growing, maturing.
---mike on 2/2/11


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"Nevertheless He did not leave Himself without witness, in that He did good, gave us rain from heaven and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness." Acts 14:17

With God Almighty, there's no such a thing as "what if". The present population of the world presently stands at above 7 billion, that's the number God has predestined for this period of time.

As for death, it exists because of the curse on Adam which continues today till God's time when He will destroy the world with fire (2 Peter 3). Scripture declares, "The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law." Everyone that dies (and there's no exception) is purely because of sin.
---christan on 2/2/11


I would love to hear the reasoning for the answer the moderator gave. It came from somewhere.
What I believe would happen is, that God would somehow stop the reproduction at some point in time in order to have the correct amount of people for them to survive. Whatever the answer is, God would have the answer since it would be His plan and His plan is perfect.
---Mark_V. on 2/2/11


Mankind would move to other planets.

Houston, We Got A Problem!

I would guess that the FIRST statement is a joke. A quick solution to the SECOND statement. In this case, the problem of "over-crowding" on Earth.

I should mention that "moving to other planets" would be impossible without GOD's involvement.

GOD designed the Earth with all the things that people need to "Physically" live: Air, Water, Proper Temperature, Food Sources, etc.

Many, if not all of these things, are NOT present on other planets. Especially NOT in the quantities necessary to support human life.

Unless, and Until, GOD says otherwise, people will only be living on planet Earth.
---Augie on 2/2/11


yes, you are missing something.

The fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5)

[Learn to] be fruitful (spiritually) [first] and [then] multiply.

If we did this, we would responsibly and conservatively multiply. There would be no need to think that there is Nirvana elsewhere. God gave us this planet. You can go if you like.

That is why He cam in the flesh ... to save us from our own vain imaginations.
---aka on 2/1/11


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Mankind would move to other planets? Hogwash and, of course, not biblical.

Imagine what a little bit of worldly knowldge can do to explain spiritual matters. Although this is a frivolous debate let us reason this out. There is going to be a new earth where all the dead from the beginning of time shall rise at the end of a thousand years and be judge from the Book of Life according to their works. Don't you believe that God has already planned ahead of time about our living conditions?
---Steveng on 2/1/11


Don't you think that God could provide everything any amount of people would need?
---Elder on 2/1/11


If there was no death, I suppose so.
But every living thing dies. In cases where there are too few natural enemies, but plentiful food and water ,there is overpopulation. (We see it occasionally when animals have been relocated to a new environment)

I can't imagine such a condition for humankind. We conquor some diseases but hamper immunity to others. We've nearly eradicated many infectious diseases, but the rates of heart disease and genetic defects have increased.

Sadly, the greatest cure for human over-population is, and always has been, warfare.
Hostility seems a natural result of over-crowding. But wars occur even when population is not at all dense.

I believe God ordains death for a good reason.
---Donna66 on 2/1/11


I believe you are right on . The planet would become overcrowded and we could possibly,have to move to other planets or inhabit some other areas.Overcrowding would definitely be a problem.So everything in God's universe has a purpose and a reason for being.Death is necessary. But we don't like the idea of dying.
---Robyn on 2/1/11


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I have no idea as to the answer to this question. However I am more than please to accept the response the moderator gave.
---mima on 2/1/11


Is it possible that physical (though NOT spiritual) death would have come to Adam and Eve anyway? That they would have died and been raised again at the end of the world?

Just an idea!
---Jennifer on 2/1/11


Moderator: Other planets is an idea, but would it not be simpler for man just to stop reproducing?

Maybe 'fruitful' is only until the world is filled?
---Peter on 2/1/11


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