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Did demons know WHO Jesus was from the very beginning Jesus came to earth? Please give scripture references for your response.

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Kathr, Steven was not speaking of 2 Tim. 2:21-23). You thought that up. He said:
"God does not choose who becomes a christian or not, he chooses you to do his will depending upon your faith" Only believers in Christ have faith. Then said, " - the greater your faith, the more responsibility he gives you." True, because only believers have faith in Christ. Then say,
" He will choose those who truly trust him to do his will" not for salvation. Unbelievers do not trust God, nor do they believe in Jesus Christ.
Steven like you, believe that faith to believe in Christ originates from within sinful man, wrong. It comes from God when He makes you spiritually alive together with Christ.
---Mark_V. on 10/11/13


kathr, you are going out of control for the soul purpose of arguing. Changing Scripture will not open the door wider for you. It actually closes the door. your really don't have the fear of God.
---Mark_V. on 10/11/13


"For God so loved whosoever,.."

---Mark_V. on 10/11/13
EXACTLT right MarkV, For God so loved WHOSOEVER, for God IS LOVE. Animals are hot WHO's, they are "IT's"
---kathr4453 on 10/11/13


Elder, concerning the other blog, I gave you Scripture, in return you gave me bad mouth, your opinions on whom God is, your feelings but never did you answer the passages I put down because you have no answer. You team up with the free willers like Kathr and her heretical teachings of a god who is helpless, one who waits to see if you will love Him and choose Him. A finite god who has no power to save whom He will's to save. None seek after God, and you say all of you did when you were lost, such garbish.
---Mark_V. on 10/11/13


This is exactly what Steveng said on 10/7 TODAY, to be a "vessel of honour" for SERVICE is a choice we make based upon certain conditions God has set here before us.

2 Timothy 2:20-22

20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth, and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work..

22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
---kathr4453 on 10/11/13




Steven, they are negative to you because my post oppose what you say and what you believe. Of course they are negative. No one wants to be told they are wrong, but you are wrong. Talk about negative, most of your post are against the gathering of believers. You defend the devil by giving him the credit for the gathering of all denominations, then condemn those who belong to them. And there are many genuine believers in them. You forget it is sin that causes division. Sin in man.
Yes, my answers to you, are negative, they oppose what you say.
---Mark_V. on 10/11/13


Kathr, now I am a hypocrite in your godly free will opinion. You claim, the word "world" means "whosoever" and because you are a godly person, the Spirit told you so, that is wonderful news Kathr. More heretical views I see.
"For God so loved whosoever,.."
---Mark_V. on 10/11/13


Mark V, Your negative post far outnumber you positive quotes one thousand to one. Every post on this blog contains negative posts.
---Steveng on 10/10/13


---. They look at what you say and say, "Look, Steven is attacking Mark, let all go in for the kill." So Elder throws his arrows, and Kathr, well, that is a joy to her.
The genuine believers don't say a thing.

---Mark_V. on 10/10/13


So markv , you must not be a genuine believer then, as YOU have often butted in on threads you never posted on, just to get your digs in.

What a hypocrite.
---kathr4453 on 10/10/13


Steven, those words coming from you do not mean anything to a genuine believer, but they are food for those who argue for their salvation by their own free will. They look at what you say and say, "Look, Steven is attacking Mark, let all go in for the kill." So Elder throws his arrows, and Kathr, well, that is a joy to her.
The genuine believers don't say a thing. you might attack them too. If you answered Scripture, instead of getting personal, you would know the truth and it would set you free. You have lost all knowledge of your own lost condition for your understanding has been darkened (Eph. 4:18).
---Mark_V. on 10/10/13




And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
(Actually, neither do I)

Who is there even among you that would shut the doors for nought? neither do ye kindle fire on mine altar for nought. I have no pleasure in you, saith the LORD of hosts, neither will I accept an offering at your hand.

Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar, and ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee?
In that ye say, The table of the LORD is contemptible.
---TheSeg on 10/10/13


Steven 2: I do not try to put anyone down. I answer the questions with Scripture. I hardly ever answer personal questions. I know the people I answer will not change what they belive no matter what, they defend a lie at the expense of their souls. A darkened heart cannot change it's condition. Those who are lost are totally unconscious of their terrible state they neither seek Christ nor realize their own need for Christ. They are more concern with their own free will then the will of God, so they fight, get angry, and call others names, no way are they going to give up their own free will, which is really not free, but in bondage to sin, dead. God is so far from them.
---Mark_V. on 10/10/13


Mark V, I have not read one good word from you lately. You have put almost everyone down who does not conform to your ideologies. If Jesus were on these blog you would most suredly put him down also. Even though you know about God and his Word using worldly knowledge, you do not honor Him as God or give thanks, but you have became futile in your speculations and interpretations of the bible, and your foolish heart is darkened. But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God.
---Steveng on 10/9/13


Shira, you again speak without your sword, the word of God.
---Mark_V. on 10/9/13

OH now you understand the WORD is a sword? And exactly what is this SWORD supposed to do?
---kathr4453 on 10/9/13


Because of perverted views and comments others and I do not post everything all the time.
We just don't feel comfortable casting pearls....
But, anyway... hint, hint....
What is a "freewill offering?"
Huh? Huh? Com'on scholars. I believe you are predestined to answer this.
---Elder on 10/9/13


Hay, Mark_V what does this mean??

That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report?
and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?

Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart, that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

Mark_V really look at the first two questions!!
I remember trying to a kite without a tail.
Only after it received the tail did it fly!
Basically! It really wasn't my fault, was it!
Peace Bro
---TheSeg on 10/9/13


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Shira, you again speak without your sword, the word of God. You say,
"steven, thank you for your post. the bible is so full of passages that indicate free will but some here only see 2 or 3 verses and base their won beliefs on their 2 or 3 verses instead of the whole bible."
If they are there, why not show them? I have not presented to you two or three verses, but a whole lot of passages, which clearly mention the condition of fallen man. But you reject them. And keep insisting fallen man, sinful at that, has power over Almighty God. That fallen man has rights over God. And that Almighty God cannot interfer with lost man because his rights are more important then the rights of Almighty God. Why call your god God?
---Mark_V. on 10/9/13


Steven, by your examples, you are one who is blinded by the devil then. Because you have been preaching free will and none of that is mentioned in Scripture. You have believed in the theory invented by fallen man not God, and now believe it with all your heart. That lost man has the ability to repent, to change his own heart, and love Christ. Even the faith to believe, you believe comes from within fallen man. you are not speaking for God, but for fallen man. And by doing so, you give the glory and honor to man concerning your salvation and not to God. Which only gives evidence you are still at enmity against God.
Proof your theory, give Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 10/9/13


Cluny: "How can we possibly give Scripture references on a subject that the Bible says nothing about?"

What may that be?

Of course, there could be three reasons why one does not understand: one, they are not looking in the right place, two, their eyes are blinded by Satan to know the truth, three, they are trying to interpret the bible using worldly knowledge when the meanings are spiritual and, four, the content of the meanings are implied.

Most christians today have worldly knowledge of the bible, thus denying the true power of God.
---Steveng on 10/8/13


steven, thank you for your post. the bible is so full of passages that indicate free will but some here only see 2 or 3 verses and base their won beliefs on their 2 or 3 verses instead of the whole bible. the bible is Holy and each verse fits all the other verses. you can't take 2 or 3 verses and build anything from that, we must read the whole bible. it all fits like a glove. the one reason I know the bible was put together by God is how everything in it is perfect. if man had written it, there would be many contradictions but there is not one single contradiction.
---shira4368 on 10/8/13


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Shira, you say,
markv, you are actually making a fool of yourself. instead of reading perverted words from someone else's book or article, read the Word of God" I write the passages for you, you reject them. Which proves you are one who will perish. Don't believe me, believe the God's Word,
"For the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." (1 Cor. 1:18) You see there is a group of people perishing who will never believe. The message is foolishness to them. But to us believers who are being saved it is the power of God. The message has power to those being saved. It's never about free will.
---Mark_V. on 10/8/13


Luke 10:18 Jesus replied, "I saw satan fall like lightning from heaven. So Jesus was in heaven and saw satan fall to the earth I would assume satan saw Jesus in heaven to. The truth be known I believe Jesus was the one who kicked him out. That is why they remembered him he was the one who kicked them out. And Jesus is the one who will always drive them off the earth to.
---Bryan on 10/7/13


How can we possibly give Scripture references on a subject that the Bible says nothing about?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/13


God gave all of mankind freewill.

He didn't want automatons, he wanted people to choose him on their own. God doesn't want anyone to go to hell, he wants everyone to believe in him and have everlasing life. Man is his creation and does not want to destroy what he created.

God does not choose who becomes a christian or not, he chooses you to do his will depending upon your faith - the greater your faith, the more responsibility he gives you. He will choose those who truly trust him to do his will.
---Steveng on 10/7/13


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markv, you are actually making a fool of yourself. instead of reading perverted words from someone else's book or article, read the Word of God. I cannot make myself believe you actually think God made some for hell and some for heaven. God does call men and women into certain ministries. everyone isn't called to preach, sing or teach.
---shira4368 on 10/7/13


markv, a witness is a witness is a witness. we who tell others about Jesus Christ are a witness.
---shira4368 on 10/7/13


Shira, when you ask a question, specify what you are asking, (Rom. 10:14) to suggest, why should we witness. First, there is two kinds of hearings. Hearing of the flesh, and spiritual hearing. The lost have no spiritual hearing. They have no Spirit. We preach the gospel because we don't know whom God is going to save. When He makes someone alive together with Christ, is when He draws you to Himself. At that moment a sinner receives spiritual hearing. When he hears the Truth, he believes it by faith. Faith is a gift granted to all who are made spiritually alive, who are drawn to God. When God is ready to save someone, He prepares him with all he is going to need to respond to the Truth. Only those will commit to Christ by faith.
---Mark_V. on 10/7/13


markv, the lost are of their father the devil. that is why God gave us Romans 10:14. How can sinners hear without a preacher. why did Jesus die on a cross? why did peter and Paul preach and traveled many miles telling the good news? there would be no need of that IF your doctrine is correct. we have a whole book on salvation and 2 or 3 verses you take out of context.
---shira4368 on 10/6/13


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Shira, You say,
"if we didn't have freewill," We don't. The Bible teaches that the will of lost man is to do the will of their father the devil. It also tells us the will of those saved is to do the will of their Father God. No one's will is free, they all make a choice for a reason. Then you say,
"if we didn't have freewill, all things would be dictated to us"
All things have been ordained by God. After all it is His plan. And as God, He knows the beginning and the end of all things. Those who love free will will have a big problem in heaven. They will not have a choice there. You will love the Lord with all your heart period. No chance of saying, "what if I don't want to?"
---Mark_V. on 10/6/13


if we didn't have freewill, all things would be dictated to us. can you imagine how the world of humanity would be now? just pure common sense would tell us different.
---shira4368 on 10/2/13


Harry, you said,
"Steven is right. I have studied on the subject of chosen, elect, foreknew, predestined. Would this negate free will? No."
What you should have studied was the Bible. Then you would have known that God never mentioned one time that He had given all humans beings free will. If you find any passages then post them. you cannot judge anything from Scripture without Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 9/29/13


Steven is right. I have studied on the subject of chosen, elect, foreknew, predestined. Would this negate free will? No. Because Father knows if you will ultimately choose Him does not mean that He forced you to make any choices. All mortals have been lost since the Adam default. Jesus is the ONLY mortal no sin was found in!!! It is the Father's will that NO ONE should perish and the ONLY requirement for salvation is FAITH which brings the Holy Spirit since Jesus to do works in and through me. My works lead to death. All religions/denominations have corruption. There is only one true religion and that is you and your personal relationship with God with Jesus as mediator and His instruction book.
---Harry on 9/27/13


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Donna66: "markV--Guess I missed that particular objection of StevenG. He finds most churches objectionable in some way or another."

I find all denominational churches (each having their own set of rules, traditions, rituals, and interpretations of the bible) objectionable. There is only one true church and that is the church of God. Besides didn't Jesus find most of the churches in Revelation objectionable? (FYI, the churches mentioned in Revelation are not denominational, they are of one church, but different locations. That's how people identified the churches)
---Steveng on 2/17/11


markV--Guess I missed that particular objection of StevenG. He finds most churches objectionable in some way or another.
---Donna66 on 2/15/11


Donna66, if Steven G meant what you said, I would agree with him. But that is not what he has been saying of the Churches since I answered him the first time. He is like John who claims that raising your hands is of the devil. If he had said that some are faking, or that some songs are wrong, I would agree with him too. But he didn't. Anyone who raises their hands in worship is fake, and that the Holy Spirit told him so. He seems to know the motives of each individual. With Steven, I know and everyone knows that many churches are not right with God. But we cannot tell Christians not to gather. There will be mixture in the Church but Christians should still gather.
---Mark_V. on 2/15/11


Mark_V., all I can say at this point is for you to strongly think about all that I have written and bring it up with the Holy Spirit.
---Steveng on 2/15/11


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Alan of UK-- Very well and concisely expressed.
I think what Steveng means by churches getting into "spirituality", is an increased interest in "spirits" and the practices of Eastern religions that go along with New Age thinking.
---Donna66 on 2/15/11


Steven G, I don't know how you cannot understand, it is simple. The whole world is lost already. God is not losing people, He is saving people who are lost already through the curse He put on man. He will continue to save many more through Christ, but not all of them. You should know that already. I have read the end times and I have found the same thing. It is all heading to the end that God ordained from the foundation of the world. And only those who are written already in the book of life will be saved. What gets people upset is, "why doesn't He save all" that is the problem they have. If He wanted to, He could, after all He is God Almighty. No one can stop Him, they are all lost.
---Mark_V. on 2/15/11


Mark_V.: "God is losing people left and right and to who else, the enemy. That is why I said you had the wrong god."

You had better reread end time prophesies. The reason why we have all these problems in the world is because love today is evaporating from the world. Scientists blame global warming, el nina/el nino, magnetic pole shifting, or a number of other reasons. Why is rioting, wars, and rumors of war increasing? It's because of people, the lack of love in people. And it's going to get progressively worse in damage and frequency. If "God loses no one" then why are things getting worse every day?
---Steveng on 2/14/11


Steven G, you only gave the parable of the Sower and even that you got wrong. After my answer to you, you said:
"Why then are denominational churches falling apart? and you go on and on"
arguing that God is losing people left and right and to who else, the enemy. That is why I said you had the wrong god. Don't you realize there is Tares and Wheat in the Church? Don't you realize sin is still in man? Don't you realize that just because someone calls himself a Christian does not mean he is a genuine Christain? You use the name Christian as if all those in Church are genuine Christians. They are not. You should know one that is born of the Spirit and one that is not. By what? Their fruits. God loses no one.
---Mark_V. on 2/13/11


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Steveng ...
Why then are denominational churches falling apart? Are they?

Why are denominational christians being led by wolves in sheep clothing? Who says they are?

Why are denominational christians getting more into spirituality?? Don't you think this is a good idea?

Why do atheists know about the bible than christians? Do they?

Why do christians join denominations to "feel" good, to make more money?
They aren't

Why do christians continue to buy "christian" books, books that are just opinions, philosophies and ideas of men, instead of just reading the bible?
Are they?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/13/11


Mark_V.: "Steven G,...Your god is a fake."

Oh, well. No skin off my nose. One question, though, why do you not believe the verses of scripture I present to you?

Mark_V.: "Satan is not stealing the children of God."

Why then are denominational churches falling apart? Why are denominational christians being led by wolves in sheep clothing? Why are denominational christians getting more into spirituality? Why do atheists know about the bible than christians? Why do christians join denominations to "feel" good, to make more money? Why do christians continue to buy "christian" books, books that are just opinions, philosophies and ideas of men, instead of just reading the bible?
---Steveng on 2/12/11


Steven G, the reason I oppose your views when you oppose the gathering of believers in a Church is because people like you build your own god, whom you can manipulate any way you want.
Yes, I do not understand your god. I understand the God of Scripture. And He is Almighty.
Satan is not stealing the children of God. He cannot. In fact God is taking the children of satan and adopting them into His family. And once He does:
"Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, be Glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever Amen" Jude 24-25.
Your god is a fake.
---Mark_V. on 2/12/11


Mark_V.: "Steven G, you say I don't understand the parable of the Sower when it is explained pretty clear in Matt. 13:18-23."

It is pretty clear in YOUR mind for it you you who doesn't understand the truth. It is written that near the end times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils (and of men). These are christians who are caught in the snares of the devil, who are taken captive by Satan at his will.

Then there are some who return to the faith as the Prodigal Son.
---Steveng on 2/11/11


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Steven G, you say I don't understand the parable of the Sower when it is explained pretty clear in Matt. 13:18-23. Verse 23 tells you who is the genuine Christian. Maybe it's because you don't understand it yourself. Genuine Christians never fall away completely, they might fail and sin, but never lose their salvation. When they sin, they are chasten by God. If you are not chasten you are illegitimate. If they fall completely,
"They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us"
---Mark_V. on 2/8/11


Steven G, if you are not arguing the power of God why are you saying genuine Christians fall away? Are you suggesting that man has more power then God? Satan does have power over the lost, he is their father and they do his desires. But a born of the Spirit believer is not doing the desires of him but of God. You are doing the devils desires when you say,
"but allowed men to spoil their faith and joy with their philosophies and their wrong and shallow answers built on men's ideas and thoughts much the same as you have done."
Instead of answering with a godly answer you condemn me into a category. Why do you continue to persecute the Church? The body of believers just because they don't agree with what you say?
---Mark_V. on 2/8/11


Mark_V., you still don't understand. The Parable of the Sower is explained. If you do not understand this parable how then will you understand all the other parables? Which part of the parable does it tell of christians (who are enthused about being a christian for a time being) and then being choked by the wiles of satan and the world?

Do an online KJV bible search for "backslid" unless, of course, you already have a searchable KJV bible on your computer.
---Steveng on 2/7/11


Mark_V.: "if it were possible" not that it's possible. If you understood who God was,..."

I'm not arguing the power of almighty God over satan, there is no comparison. My argument is the power of satan over people. Many christians have started out as loving as Jesus himself, but allowed men to spoil their faith and joy with their philosophies and their wrong and shallow answers built on men's ideas and thoughts much the same as you have done.
---Steveng on 2/7/11


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\\Cluny: "...The only way that can be true is for Satan to be the equal of God, which he is not."

The only way?\\

Are YOU claiming to understand the full significance of the Incarnation?

Operative word here is FULL.
---Cluny on 2/7/11


Steven G, the passage says'
"if it were possible" not that it's possible. If you understood who God was, is, and always will be, you would know that without a doubt, that God never stops been God. No one defeats God, especially sinful man or the father of lies.
Genuine Christians don't fall. They are held by the power of God. Scripture says'"..so that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ: who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord"
You are saying that is not True. That He cannot. Sorry, but you are wrong.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/11


Mark_V: "Steven G, there is no down fall of genuine Christians, nothing can take them away from the hands of God."

Have you not read the Parable of the Sower?

Mark_V: "That would mean satan is more powerful then God."

He's not, but he is more powerful than humans and it is the humans that fail.

Mark_V: "As far as those who think they are christian but are not, who had the wrong gospel, those are already fallen from the curse."

Once a christian is not always a christians that satan will deceive the world where even the elect, if it were possible, would believe satan's lie. Many who are cristians today will fall.
---Steveng on 2/6/11


Cluny: "...The only way that can be true is for Satan to be the equal of God, which he is not."

The only way? Come on, Cluny, you're more intelligent than that in a worldly sort of way. It's not the only way satan can know what is happening, he surely knows scripture forward and backward and while humans will score 5% on bible knowledge, satan can score 100%. Wasn't there a survey done recently that showed that atheists know more about the bible than christians?
---Steveng on 2/6/11


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Steven G, there is no down fall of genuine Christians, nothing can take them away from the hands of God. So to claim it is the down fall of Christians is not true at all. That would mean satan is more powerful then God. And as Donna66 stated, the devil is not. People do give him more credit then he deserves. Only God is Omniscience, Omnipotent, and Omnipresent. And that never changes. Satan is but an instrument of God. God can do away with him whenever He wills. As far as those who think they are christian but are not, who had the wrong gospel, those are already fallen from the curse.
---Mark_V. on 2/6/11


\\Cluny: "I personally don't think the demons, or even Satan himself, understood the full significance of the Incarnation."

Put your personal thinking aside and read Genesis 3:15. Satan knew very well that it was and is a spritual warfare between satan and God. You truly underestimate the power and knowledge satan has.\\

To say that Satan understood the full significance of the Incarnation is to say that his intelligence is as infinite as that of God Himself.

The only way that can be true is for Satan to be the equal of God, which he is not.
---Cluny on 2/6/11


StevenG-- Yes, I know the Bible is full of Satan's antics. And many times he gets the best of men. But he's not as smart as God, nor as strong as God, nor as wise as God. God has all knowledge and all power. God alone can be everywhere at once. Satan is the enemy of our souls and we must not overlook him. But also we must remember that, through Jesus, he is a defeated foe.

2Cr 10:3-4 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds,)

My "spiritual understanding" tells me not to "glorify" Satan by magnifying his works or exaggerating his abilities.
---Donna66 on 2/5/11


Yes, demons knew Jesus their Maker was born: Matthew 2:13-23.
---eloy7794 on 2/6/11


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Steven...

1 Cor 2:6-8

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.


Satan knew who Jesus was and what he was sent here to do. What he didnt know is that by shedding Christs blood he played right into Gods plan.
---CraigA on 2/6/11


Donna66, you underestimate the thoughts of satan. This is the downfall of christians who have worldly knowledge of the bible and of satan but not of spiritual understanding. The bible is full of the antics of satan and must be understood in a spiritual manner not what is written per se in the bible. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. This is where every evil thing that has happened since the fall is rooted in satan.
---Steveng on 2/5/11


Cluny: "I personally don't think the demons, or even Satan himself, understood the full significance of the Incarnation."

Put your personal thinking aside and read Genesis 3:15. Satan knew very well that it was and is a spritual warfare between satan and God. You truly underestimate the power and knowledge satan has.

Concerning satan:
1 Chronicles 21:1
Job 2:7 (who did Job blame for his tribulations?)
Matthew 16:23
Mark 4:15
Mark 8:33
Luke 13:16
Acts 5:3
Acts 26:18
Romans 16:20
1 Thessalonians 2:18
2 Thessalonians 2:9
1 Timothy 5:15
Revelation 2:13
Revelation 2:24
Revelation 12:9

Do you still not understand? The bible is full of satan's antics.
---Steveng on 2/5/11


Of course they did, they knew him from their creation, before the angels fell with Satan and were used by Satan as demons. Your, nor Jesus', outward appearance is going to fool them.
---Harold on 2/5/11


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StevenG---Knowing the scripture doesn't mean understanding it.

Even the priests and scribes of Herod's court knew the prophesy about Jesus' birth. But neither they (nor Satan, in my opinion) understood the complete significance of of it. Satan certainly recognized Jesus as his "enemy", but I doubt he understood, really, what Jesus came to do.

Satan is not "all knowing" as God is, nor would he have the ability to discern all God's purposes.
---Donna66 on 2/4/11


Satan knew from the beginning about Jesus.

Ever since the verse Genesis 3:15 did satan know what he must do to either destroy the jews, God's chosen people, or the lineage between David and Jesus. Satan clearly knew of scriptures (remember satan often quotes scripture) and clearly knew of the three hundred or so prophesies concerning Jesus. He clearly placed into the heart of Herod to kill the children under two years. All throughout the New Testament satan and his demons knew who Jesus was.
---Steveng on 2/3/11


Donna66, I agree with your statements. Only God is Omniscience who knows all, even the hearts of man. He knew from the foundation of the world for He decreed that Jesus was to be a sacrifice for sin from that time. Satan not Omniscience did not know that by killing Jesus he would be defeated. If he had known, he would not have tempted the Jews and Herod to bring death to Jesus. Herod was moved by his evil desires that come from the devil of which he could not possibly understand. All through history Satan wanted to destroy Israel of which the Messiah was going to come through. The prophets spoke of the Messiah, unable to prevent the virgin birth of Christ, when he tried to kill the child in a general massacre of male children commanded by Herod.
---Mark_V. on 2/3/11


Donna66 2: Despite Satan's efforts to destroy Israel and the messianic line, Jesus birth took place as predicted by the prophets. Here goes to show that the actions of God are not always as we would like them to be. God permitted hundreds of children to be massacre but not Jesus. For He was to later die for the sin of the world as God ordained from the foundation of the world. Satan's hold on man was defeated. God's actions and the unfolding of His plan, many times has drastic events. But they are all included in the overall plan. For one purpose, God's.
---Mark_V. on 2/3/11


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To elaborate on something I said earlier:

Right understanding of the implications of the Incarnation requires the intellectual and spiritual enlightenment that comes from the gift of faith, "revelation knowlege," if you like. (Though we may NEVER be able to plumb its full depths, as it involves the very nature of God.)

I, for one, do not believe that demons have access to this illumination, as a result of their own actions and choices.
---Cluny on 2/3/11


CraigA-- Obviously Herod's (conscious) motivation was exactly what you say.

But if the Rev. 12:4 scripture applies, and Satan planned to stop the birth of Jesus, it's easy to imagine Satan in the background here.
Satan failed to prevent the birth...the least he could do was try to destroy Holy Child before He stirred up any faith in God.

For all we know, Herod may not even have believed in Satan. I'm sure he had no clue about about the powers of good and evil which are always at work. But unbelief never yet hampered Satan in his plans. In fact, it facilitates them.
---Donna66 on 2/2/11


Herod, who was king, wanted the up and coming "King of the Jews" killed at birth for the same reason ANY king would want a threat to his reign killed.

If the Jews saw Jesus as their King they would revolt against Herod. Best thing to do in that situation is to just kill this future king as soon as its born.

Herod had no clue as to Gods plan (1 Cor 2:8) He was simply threaten by another king.
---CraigA on 2/2/11


Donna5535--The demons knew who Jesus was by the time he was grown, since Satan tempted Him. But they missed the timing of His birth.

When the Wise Men from the east came saying (Mt 2:2 "Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him." Herod, the king in Jerusalem, demanded of his own priests and scribes to know where the Christ would be born...
because he wanted the child killed.
In light of Rev 12:4, Herod was almost certainly a pawn of Satan (who had been unsuccessful in preventing the birth). Herods's plans failed, too. God warned the wise men not to return by way of Jerusalem and Joseph to flee with Mary and Jesus to Egypt.
---Donna66 on 2/2/11


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I believe David and Lea and both correct.

Satan and the demons DID know who Jesus Christ was as David and Donna have proved.

What they DIDNT know is that it was Gods plan that he shed his blood for all mankind. If they had known that plan they never would have crucified Christ as Lea has shown.
---CraigA on 2/2/11


No satan did not know who Jesus was !

1 Corinthians 2:6-8 (King James Version)

6Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
---Lea on 2/2/11


David, that is EXCELLENT revelation there young man. OMG I love it.

I also found some scriptures in Luke where demons said to Jesus, "thou Son of David, have you come to destroy us before our time." Would that show satan/demons knew who Jesus was? I like David's scripture alot, I can't wait to show it to my boss....I bet he still won't believe it.
---Donna5535 on 2/2/11


Donna, what demons think is not a subject scripture touches on.

The Orthodox Church sings thus of the Incarnation: "The mystery hidden from all eternity and unknown to the angels is revealed..."

I personally don't think the demons, or even Satan himself, understood the full significance of the Incarnation.

OTOH, many people here have only the foggiest notions, and some of them are wildly inaccurate.
---Cluny on 2/2/11


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Donna, okay, I see. I hope you can figure it out.
---John.usa on 2/2/11


Donna
This is from Revelation and is open to interpretation, but it may be enough to convince your boss.
(Revelation 12:4)
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born
.

Why would the dragon(Satan) want to kill the child(Jesus Christ) before he was born, unless he knew who the child was?
---David on 2/2/11


John, funny you should ask....my boss asked me and I'm asking you folks. He kept saying satan didn't know who Jesus was, I said he did so....so where does the truth lie?
---Donna5535 on 2/1/11


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