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Are Books In The Bible Wrong

When the NT was canonized (I think in AD 393, in Hippo, though there were two more in Carthage some years later:
Are we sure they selected the correct books? Is there a chance some books of the NT are wrong? Who provides evidence?

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Mac & Trav.
You appear that only those of lineage feom Israel can be saved. Is that what you believe?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/10/11


If" but they don't.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/11
Mark, You have fallen into the same trap as most of the rest of the world in assuming that Jews equal all Israel, but there is a people who have done all that God prophecied that they would ie,carries the word of God worldwide, feeds the world,has a new name,all nations have felt the blessings....... and etc.
---mac on 2/10/11


He was probably of the lineage of Israel although residing in Greece. Context.
---mac on 2/10/11

Luke is found as one of Israel in,Matt 19, Luke 22, & Revelations.

Three places that give who Luke was.
But these two mrk/warwick, being prophet opposed prefer "Judah" to be all Israel. Thinking they are usurping Israel. Ha.
Even when it is shown to the end of Revelations....they won't have any other nation/ethnos of Israel taking part. Makes them mad if you notice or provide scriptures.
The irony is, it is fine for them to call the Anti-Christ jews of today....the "Chosen People" of Israel.
Should be a sign to all sheep who they worship. Beware anyone going against the prophets.
---Trav on 2/10/11


Was Luke a Jew or a Gentile? Was he saved or not?
---Warwick on 2/8/11
You are generalizing Gentiles to mean only non-jews the same as you generalize all Israel to mean only Jews. It can't be done. Scripture does'nt support that. Trav may be contrary, but he makes a good point about the prophets. They only gave prophecies concerning all Israel being saved, not all nations(Gentiles),for God's Law was'nt given to all nations(Gentiles) of the world. Furthermore, Israel was called Gentiles(nations) numerous times in the Bible.
---mac on 2/10/11


Mac, you miss the point of the Scriptures I have given, that both Israel and the Gentiles (Goy/Goyim)have the same offer of salvation, by the grace of God.


---Warwick on 2/8/11

Warwick, I can't argue with that logic as long as you won't argue with biblical context. Just because you live in the U.S.(I assume)does'nt necessarily mean that you are white, although this has always been considered a White nation, no more than you can say that Luke was a Greek by ethnicity even though he was a citizen of that country. He was probably of the lineage of Israel although residing in Greece. Context.
---mac on 2/10/11




Abraham's seed" Gal. 3:29.MARKV You need to also read Romans chapter 9 CAREFULLY, which will give you context for the one verse you so proudly display.---mac on 2/8/11

They will not ever acknowledge when scripture prophets/apostles/Christ answers. Keep track on a word doc. Rather they try to divert any attention away by changing the subject or labeling you. Very much like Jews in Christ's time.....for them to not be Jewish. Truth is not their mission. Climbing in another way is.
V actually spoke against the prophets some time back.
Acts 24:14
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
---Trav on 2/10/11


\\I am just concerned - while I must [I consider] feel the 66 books of the Bible are corrent, is there any aftual PROOF?
---Samuel on 2/8/11 \\

Actually, there are more than 66 books in the Bible.

The missing ones are all from the LXX, the Greek translation of the OT.
---Cluny on 2/9/11


But why should I expect sense from someone who things the Goyim are Jews? What sort of an idiot argues with someone who believes this? Me! ---Warwick on 2/9/11

Surely by my posts alone,you know that all nations of Israel are not NAMED JUDAH? Ur how old preacha??
If 10 of the 12 parts were divorced losing their married name...."mixed among" goyim/gentiles. How would one find them?
Jesus did, and instructed apostles too.

U make a valid study in that you can't, won't and do/have not a care.
You argue because with ur superior logic listening to my poor witness you'll easily learn how to protect your doctrine. $alvaging face?
You will only see,hear what you are allowed too regardless.
Sheep will hear.
---Trav on 2/10/11


Trav, the truth is that I have not called you names, only described your behaviour.

You say you answer questions but that is untrue. For example you call me a universalist and variations on this theme. Three times I asked you to explain what you mean, but no answer.

But why should I expect sense from someone who things the Goyim are Jews? What sort of an idiot argues with someone who believes this? Me!
---Warwick on 2/9/11


Also his unwillingness to answer questions.
---Warwick on 2/9/11

I've answered all your questions with scripture and you run,scorn,argue,whine. As you should, ur unsubstantiated doctrines not being subject or part of scriptures posted.

Your name calling and political tools have stood you well 64yrs...until scripture shined a light.
Psalm 103:7
He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel.
Psalm 119:128
Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right, and I hate every false way.
Isaiah 62:2
And the goy/gentile shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
---Trav on 2/9/11




I am just concerned - while I must [I consider] feel the 66 books of the Bible are corrent, is there any aftual PROOF?
---Samuel on 2/8/11

Samuel, that is the point seen here, with a preacher/teacher being caught without witnesses.

Correct scriptures? You decide/judge. Do two or more of GOD's hand picked Prophet/Apostle/Messiah saying the same thing....prove a point of faith to you? How about 10 verses, 2,000? They are there, search.
Have men...touched the scripture? Yes. Look for what man tampered with such as the word Gentile. Find the source....and revisit the prophets/Apostles. Woman at Jacobs well etc. GOD did not allow the witnesses to be hid....from sheep.
---Trav on 2/9/11


Trav you supply references concerning what God has said to the Jews....
I suppose you would have us believe that Luke the Gentile wasn't saved! Quite a shock to him I would imagine.---Warwick on 2/8/11

Quite a shock for you is more the observation. 64yrs old and finding that scripture does not witness what your doctrine preaches.
Luke is found as one of Israel in,Matt 19, Luke 22, & Revelations.
You cast away the other nations of Israel...thinking you have replaced them, and Judah as well.
A possibility...if scriptural marks proved you as such.
You do have marks. Markv.
You testify above and prev that Judah is completed Israel. Scripture doesn't. You're hiding preacha. U should.
---Trav on 2/9/11


Mac, you miss the point of the Scriptures I have given, that both Israel and the Gentiles (Goy/Goyim)have the same offer of salvation, by the grace of God.

---Warwick on 2/8/11


Mac, what does this then mean Rom 10:12 "For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him."

And 13 "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Everyone or just every Jew?

Are not Greeks Gentiles and further was not Greek a word used to mean all nonJews?

Was Luke a Jew or a Gentile? Was he saved or not?
---Warwick on 2/8/11


Can we get back to Sam's question . There seems to be a diatrib of nonsense leading to more nonsense.
---John on 2/8/11


Samuel I am sorry if you think I have insulted Trav. Could you please point to my comments you see as insults?

I do not believe I have insulted him, rather plainly said what I think of his unwillingness to form actual meaningful sentences and his deviousness in creatively misunderstanding my comments and such like. Also his unwillingness to answer questions.
---Warwick on 2/9/11


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Mac, I read all of Romans 9 and find that "They are not all Israel who are of Israel" Romans 9. There is an Israel of the flesh ( 1Cor. 10:18) and an "Israel of God" (Gal. 6:16) made up of Jewish people and Gentiles who believe in the Messiah. To apply the "all Israel" which "will be saved" to a group of Jews or Israelis who are separated from God's Church is to deny the Wall Breakers specific and staggering accomplishments on the Cross.
God thundered on Mount Sinai that "If" the Israelites obeyed His voice, 'then' they would be "a special treasure...a kingdom of priest and a holy nation" Exodus 19:5,6). "If" but they don't.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/11


Abraham's seed" Gal. 3:29.MARKV You need to also read Romans chapter 9 CAREFULLY, which will give you context for the one verse you so proudly display.
---mac on 2/8/11


Trav you supply references concerning what God has said to the Jews as though this means He has not said similar things to the Gentiles. However a casual reading of Scripture shows He has given many promises to the Gentiles. As you know Jesus said He chose Saul to be His witness to the Gentiles. Ridiculous thing to say if the Gentiles were outside the promises.

God's word dos not promote an either one or the other (either Jew or Gentile)view but the inclusion of both.

I suppose you would have us believe that Luke the Gentile wasn't saved! Quite a shock to him I would imagine.
---Warwick on 2/8/11


In Deuteronomy 7:3 In English, God makes it very clear what he means by 'the nations' again using the Hebrew 'Goy' naming seven Gentile nations.
---Warwick on 2/7/11

Warwick, I know where u r coming from, but you must realize that no other nations but Israel were given the Mosaic Law, which was the defining factor which determined sin. You and I are not judged under the laws of any other country,just as no other nation was judged by God's law. Romans9 makes very clear who Jesus came to release from the Law. The ENTIRE OT was written about,to,and only for one group of people. That did'nt change in the NT>
---mac on 2/8/11


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Trav my reference materials confirm Romans 11:25 refers to Gentiles, as opposed to the Jews. "...until the full number of the Gentiles come in."

Matthew 28:19 reads "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,"

Here we have the same underlying Greek word 'ethnoi', 'goy' in Hebrew. You would have us believe that when a Jew speaks of the 'Goyim',(the Gentiles) he really means the Jews!

You would have us believe that God's promise to Abraham "...and all peoples on earth will be blessed by you." (Genesis 12:3) does not mean "all peoples" but only one people, the Jews! Confusing!
---Warwick on 2/8/11


Believing non-Jews were "once Gentiles" aliens from the commonwealth of Israel" but now in Christ Jesus, Jews and Gentiles have become one. Trav, get out of the fog. The two combined are "Abraham's seed" Gal. 3:29. This is "the Israel of God" Gal. 6:15,16). When Paul controversial statement that "all Israel will be saved" Rom. 11:26, many apply this to a mass conversion of Israelis at Armageddon. The context reveals otherwise. Paul didn't mean that every single Jewish person would find salvation, for in the same chapter he wrote, "If by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them"
---Mark_V. on 2/8/11


Trav and Warwick: I put this subject for us to DISCUSS IT, not to insult each other over it!

I am just concerned - while I must [I consider] feel the 66 books of the Bible are corrent, is there any aftual PROOF?
---Samuel on 2/8/11


Trav, you are far too good at deviousness for me.---Warwick on 2/7/11

Yeah, so devious I'll blatantly post written scripture.
So devious, I'll give 2 or 2,663 supporting/witness scriptures. (Number of times Jacob & Israel found in scripture), & known found by 136 other names/marks as well.

Old Covenant prophets are devious enough to help us flag false/milk doctrine.
Deut 14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all nations that are upon earth.

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people,...

Hmmm,peculiar isn't it.
---Trav on 2/8/11


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Trav all your waffle is defeated....
Jesus who selected Saul to be His apostle to the Gentiles(ethnos/nations/Israel divorced).---Warwick on 2/7/11

You do not partake of "Gospel", or truth.
My Waffle,mmmm, has meat for those that can eat meat.
Fact that you avoid precept meat is a sign/mark to beware.

Let's eat: Rom 11:25 I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Ethnos/nations (of divorced Israel) be come in.

11:26 And so ALL ISRAEL shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
---Trav on 2/8/11


Trav all your waffle is defeated by "I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile." Romans 1:16

Clearly the Gospel was first to be preached to the Jew and then to the Gentiles.

And of course you know that it was Jesus who selected Saul to be His apostle to the Gentiles.

---Warwick on 2/7/11


Trav, you are far too good at deviousness for me.

I believe most here would understand I was using Deuteronomy 7:1 to show Mic that Isaiah was referring to Gentiles in 11:10, as was Paul in Romans 15:12.

They are all talking about salvation coming to the Gentiles.

What you have quoted is not relevant to the gospel, the coming of the Lord Jesus to die, and rise again to bring salvation to Jew and Gentile.
---Warwick on 2/7/11


..."fulfill" and learn how the word is used throughout the bible.---Steveng on 2/6/11

We're saying the same thing.
He filled the marks that Divorced Israel were looking for. Perhaps you see these marks and have the laws in your Heart/mind Heb 8:10/Jer 31:31 etc. Perhaps you are a lost sheep unaware?
I'll search fulfill...ur invited to do one on "redeem",for-ever, everlasting, sheep, Inheritance, heritage, heirs, Married ones, sanctified ones, gathered ones, loved ones, saved ones....his people. For foundation material to witness with me.
Acts 13:29
And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
---Trav on 2/7/11


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Deuteronomy 7:3 In English, God makes it very clear what he means by ' nations' again using Hebrew 'Goy' naming seven Gentile nations.---Warwick 2/7/11

Very clear, methinks even to you.
Deuteronomy 7:3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them, thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.

Mic, you'll have to post whole scripture with this preacha. All trick...no treat.
He doesn't go for any "only" testament,Israel or OT prophet stuff. He likes position over the confused sheep himself.
Deuteronomy 14:2
Thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God,the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all nations that are upon the earth.
---Trav on 2/7/11


Mac, yes I have read it.---Warwick on 2/7/11

Maybe...but u wouldn't dare let a sheep know it.

Isaiah 11:11 ....the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people,....

12 he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of earth.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

He could not post it. It is the recovery a "SECOND TIME" of those he would keep cast out.
---Trav on 2/7/11


Mac, yes I have read it.

In Isaiah 11:10 the English word 'nations' is a translation of the Hebrew 'goy' which means- people, nations, the Gentiles. Paul obviously takes it as Gentiles as he refers to Isaiah "And again, Isaiah says, The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations, the Gentiles will hope in him." Romans 15:12.

In Deuteronomy 7:3 In English, God makes it very clear what he means by 'the nations' again using the Hebrew 'Goy' naming seven Gentile nations.
---Warwick on 2/7/11


Trav, all prophesies concerns ALL of mankind not only the jews. These same prophesies concern all of man's history from the beginning to the end (of the thousand years). Many prophesies were concerning Jesus. The apostles preached the fulfillment of all of the 300 or so prophesies concerning Jesus. It was these fulfilled prophesies that proved Jesus is who the prophesies says he is.

Do an online KJV bible search for the word "fulfill" and learn how the word is used throughout the bible.
---Steveng on 2/6/11


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Trav, read Luke 24:44 again very slowly using proper English, grammar, and punctuation. It says "all things must be fulfilled... concerning me" - concerning Jesus only not concernall all prophesies. Out of thousands of prophesies concerning mankind and its future only three hundred (or so) were concerning Jesus only. Like today's christians, the Bereans were searching scriptures to see if these three hundred prophesies concerning Jesus were true.
---Steveng on 2/6/11


Also, there are Scribal entries which confuse the reader.

Are they Scripture? or should they be removed. Since they in fact added to the Word.

Examples...

The Lords Prayer does NOT contain...
"For Thine is the Kingdom and Glory for ever and ever amen. (A Scribe added this)

This confuses the unlearned Christian into thinking these were the words of Christ. It is also blasphemy and distorts/perverts a most critical and direct teaching of Christ Himself.

ANOTHER...

"Those are only cast by Fasting and praying"(NOT in Scripture).

For the Lord never saids anywhere to fast to cast out demons.
---John on 2/6/11


Trav, .... first for the Jew, then for the Gentile." Romans 1:16

This destroys your racially biassed case.
---Warwick on 2/5/11

Chap 9 explains your "ethnos",gentiles. You've cast off.
Romans 9
4Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises,

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Destroying GOD's word?...you do not have the power preacha. Our contention is your "casting away" preacha-not.
Luke 16:31. 3939 times Jacob Israel is found together.

U R found a maybe 6 as a warning.
---Trav on 2/6/11


Trav: Not all has been fulfilled. Until the end of the "thousand Years" and all that were dead shall be judged from the book of life according to their works.---Steveng on 2/4/11

Christ fulfilled prophecy's about himself/Israel. Realize future to be fulfilled.

Note some sign/marks Steveng, that others may not. Tag me with later if you like.
Matt 1:21,Luke 1:77,Luke 1:68, Matt 15:24, Jhn 1:31,Rom 11:26.
Note that Luke 24:44 ....which are written in the law of Moses,and in the prophets and to the psalms...
Luke 16:31 If they hear not Moses and the Prophets...
Acts 15:15....and to this agree the words of the prophets...

.....and mark easily who doesn't agree/abide or speak of.
---Trav on 2/6/11


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Quoting Isaiah Paul says "The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations, in him the Gentiles will hope."

This destroys your racially biassed case.
---Warwick on 2/5/11
Have you actually read the passage in Isaiah11:10-12 where this passage refers to? Gentiles are not mentioned!NATIONS are, specifically ISRAEL AND JUDAH! What a concept!
---mac on 2/6/11


We also need to remember that all of Christianity is the redemptive plan of God ---Warwick on 2/4/11

He left many witnesses....about redeeming.


Psalm 77:15
Thou hast with thine arm redeemed thy people, the sons of Jacob and Joseph. Selah.
Psalm 130:8 He shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Zechariah 10:8
I will hiss for them, and gather them, for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased.

Luke 1:68
Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
Galatians 4:5
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
---Trav on 2/6/11


as mike pointed out to me in another blog question, the scripture says Jesus fulfilled all of the law.

all prophecy has not fulfilled.
---aka on 2/6/11


The bible was put together by men. The bible provides us with different interpretations of salvation. We are given the interpretation of Jesus Christ thru his eyewitnesses, the apostles and we are given the viewpoint of Paul thru his letters and thru his follower, Luke.

God has given us free choice and we must study to learn the truth. The words of Jesus Christ are the words of God Almighty, the creator of the heavens and the earth. John 1:1-14. Rev. 19:13. God has made sure that everything we need to know is recorded in the bible but there are also tares (lies) in the bible that have been planted there by Satan. Read the parable about the wheat and the tares.
---barb on 2/6/11


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Cluny: "If Jesus has not fulfilled all the law, then we have NO savior and are still in our sins."

As I have told you several times before, you read the bible as a worldly textbook instead of understanding spiritual matters. But even so, the bible is not finished being fulfilled until the end.
Matthew 5:18
Matthew 24:34
Mark 14:49
Luke 21:24
Luke 21:32
Romans 8:4 (in ech of us)
Romans 13:8, 10
Galatians 5:14
Revelation 6:11
Revelation 15:8
Revelation 17:17


What you are thinking is that the prophesies of Jesus are filfilled. There is still many things to be done to be fulfilled.
---Steveng on 2/5/11


Around 50 A.D. (50 yrs. after the crucifixion), the Council of Jerusalem (look up "Incident at Antioch" at wikipedia) declared that the disciples and all Jews devoted to Jesus should be called "Christians" (Acts 11:26 refers to this). Before that time, we can not be sure what holy writings (scriptures) were used in Jesus worship.

Paul preached the same that he persecuted when he was SAUL. Much of the scripture that we have today was likely added piece by piece over 1900 years of arguing (Martin Luther in the 1500's wanted to get rid of Revelation).
---more_excellent_way on 2/5/11


Add to the canon?
Only if you think the Bible, as is, lacks some essential doctrine of the Christian faith.
The New Testament wasn't available (some parts not written) right after the church came into being. But apparently enough of it existed in written or oral form... that people could be converted and develop in the Christian life.

I wouldn't be surprised if these still "lost" books don't merely re-emphasize what is already in the canon. (If they were essential to our faith, I can't imagine God would allow them to be missing so long a period of time.)
---Donna66 on 2/5/11


So..... Do we add 1st, 3rd, and 5th Corinthians (4th Letter of John) to the Canonical List if found?

They are reffered to as Scripture.
---John on 2/5/11


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Warwick, you will not disappointed by putting your trust in the Holy Bible, for indeed his word is life to the bones.
---Eloy on 2/5/11


\\Not all has been fulfilled. Until the end of the "thousand Years" and all that were dead shall be judged from the book of life according to their works.\\

If Jesus has not fulfilled all the law, then we have NO savior and are still in our sins.
---Cluny on 2/5/11


Trav: "Scriptures of the Old Covenant. Witnessed testimony of the Apostles of the fulfilling of all Prophetic marks and signs."

Not all has been fulfilled. Until the end of the "thousand Years" and all that were dead shall be judged from the book of life according to their works.
---Steveng on 2/4/11


\\Is the sun blue or the sea stone? If not, then also the holy scriptures are not unholy.
---Eloy on 2/4/11\\

Since the sea is NOT stone, according to this If/then question, it follows that he thinks the Scriptures ARE unholy.
---Cluny on 2/4/11


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Steven you gave a list of Scriptures. Can you explain what your point is?

What did the early Christians use? The OT, as did Jesus and the apostles. The OT is not something foreign to Christianity as it is there that we first read of the coming Messiah and salvation by faith.

Further to this the writings of the apostles began to appear not long after Jesus death and resurrection.

We also need to remember that all of Christianity is the redemptive plan of God and He will not leave man without true witness.
---Warwick on 2/4/11


Is the sun blue or the sea stone? If not, then also the holy scriptures are not unholy.
---Eloy on 2/4/11


Eloy is totally wrong about the dates.

One of the earliest Epistles is 1 Corinthians, which was written about 54 AD.

St. John's Gospel, the last book in the Bible, was written 90 AD.

And Revelation was clearly not written until AFTER the 30's or 40's.
---Cluny on 2/4/11


Warwick, that is good to hear. Jesus continue to lead you through his word. Let me assure you that after investigating every "apparent" contradiction through comparing the original tongues, there are to date zero contradictions apparent in the holy scriptures. It usually is the inaccurate translating from the original tongue into the English tongue, which has formed the contradictions.
---Eloy on 2/4/11


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What scriptures were the early christians to believe knowing that the New Testament wasn't created until three hundred years later? ---Steveng on 2/3/11

Scriptures of the Old Covenant. Witnessed testimony of the Apostles of the fulfilling of all Prophetic marks and signs.
This fulfilling is what Lost Sheep Israel were waiting for.
Knowing the signs....and the fulfillment of the all the Old Covenant books you listed above was enough. Ask the Bereans. They asked/searched the Prophets...although few maybe 1-2 on this site can/do. In fear? Of truth? Truth releases.
John 11:52
And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
---Trav on 2/4/11


Cliff, many definitely feel free "to question its content." And not about Scriptures where there is any doubt. Some display dogged committment and organized scepticism towards Scripture.

Conversely many Christians have great faith in microbe-to-man evolution, perverting Scripture because of this.

Scripture has some puzzling parts but the evolutionary story is full of them.

Futher I am fully prepared to put my trust is the Bible as God's word. I know there some apparent contradictions but not as many as there appeared to be some few decades ago. What I have experienced is that God's word is consistent throughout with amazing textural integrity. And I and countless others have experienced what God has promised.
---Warwick on 2/3/11


The New Testament contains 27 Christian Books.
The early church's acceptance of the Biblical New Testament canon:

1) Valid authorship- the scripture had to be written by an Apostle, or a holy man inspired by God.

2) Right doctrine- the scripture had to be in accord with Jesus' commandments and teachings.

3) Date written- the scripture had to be written between 5 B.C.(from Christ's birth), and 29-30 A.D.(soon after Christ's death and resurrection). The N.T. began to be recorded by Matthew in 5 B.C., and finished by John around the 3rd decade A.D.

4) Usage- the scripture had to be accepted and read in the Christian temples around the Mediterranean and Palestine and the Middle East.
---Eloy on 2/4/11


I choose to believe everything that the Bible says and it seems to be working out pretty well for me
---Reborn on 2/4/11


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What are the true scripture?

Daniel 10:21
Matthew 21:42
Matthew 22:29
Mark 12:24
Luke 4:21
Luke 24:27
Luke 24:32
Luke 24:45
John 2:22
John 5:39
John 7:38
John 20:9
Acts 17:2
Acts 18:24
Romans 1:2
Romans 4:3

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.Romans 15:4

Galatians 3:8
2 Timothy 3:15
2 Timothy 3:16
2 Peter 3:16

What scriptures were the early christians to believe knowing that the New Testament wasn't created until three hundred years later?
---Steveng on 2/3/11


Neither God (OT) nor Jesus (NT) said anything about writing "A" book to whit- the Bible.
The Bible is a collection of what is/was considered to be sacred writings.
Bound together in book form has become a "religious idol" saying "every word is God-breathed" so no one dare question it's content!
There are no original manuscripts ,out of the thousands of fragments and no two identical.
The scrolls Jesus acknowledged, and His own statements are our only guide to salvation,and certainly worth preserving,but not with superstition!
---1st_cliff on 2/3/11


I accept the books of the Protestant Bible as being inspired by GOD and the correct books. I doubt that any new books will or can be added.
---Samuel on 2/3/11


\\Cluny: 'If they did, how do YOU, Samuel, determine at a distance of two millenia what are the mistaken books?'

I CANNOT, if there are any mistaken ones. That is why I asked you!\\

I see no reason to assume there was an error.

Why do you?
---Cluny on 2/3/11


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Samuel,

Your question is not with us men, but with God. It is not our books, but His Word, His Book.

This is a walk of faith and our faith is in Him, His commandments, His statues, His decisions. If He can raise up leaders that fulfill His purpose, how easily can He assemble a collection of books that He has authored through men that fits His purpose and His design. We must trust Him and His decisions.

However, there are obvious decisions that must be made about authorship, timeliness, and authenticity about the collected works. All these issues have been decided and reviewed. As men, we are satisfied with the information that has made available to us.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/3/11


I would be interesting to read Paul's other letters to the Corinthians. But I doubt they would hold any suprises. I doubt they should be considered Canon.

The Scriptures we posses have stood the test of time.
They have been sufficient for generations of Christians across many cultures. We do not value them for their accuracy in detail, but for the spiritual Truth they contain.
God himself provides the evidence of that for each and every Christian.
---Donna66 on 2/3/11


Cluny: 'If they did, how do YOU, Samuel, determine at a distance of two millenia what are the mistaken books?'

I CANNOT, if there are any mistaken ones. That is why I asked you!
---samuel on 2/3/11


Therefore what he wanted in his written word is there.

The Bible is as complete as God intended it. ---Harold on 2/2/11

Two statements above I've found true. There are word/language errors interred by the early Catholic churche in Rome. Probably some by KJames himself. But,witnesses they could not see are still there. Found by searching their attempts to modify scripture actually are testimoney in themselves to the All Seeing GOD.
Isaiah 43:8
Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, deaf that have ears.
Jeremiah 23:2
Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people, Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you ...
---Trav on 2/3/11


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it is the Holy Spirit who brings us the Word and it is forged like a Sword. i think the 'Bible' is forged much like a winnowing fork.
---aka on 2/2/11


\\Cluny: I mean that: is it possible that either the councils accidentally added a book that God did not want, or left out a book that God wanted in His scripture?
---Samuel on 2/2/11\\

Nope.

If they did, how do YOU, Samuel, determine at a distance of two millenia what are the mistaken books?
---Cluny on 2/2/11


Samuel,

I think we are misguided on this. These were not Canonized pur say. They were already considered scripture since the 1st century. These councils (Nicea/Carthage) simply agreed with what was known.

The question I have is..

Should we find Saul's two missing letters to the Corinthians(#1/#3(we have #2 and #4 on our bible)) or Johns 4th letter. (We can assume there are others.)

Then are these Canonical?

PLUS... We have several missing books from the OT.
---John on 2/2/11


Samuel this is why God can still reveal the scrolls later like he still does.Whether people accept them as part of his word or not is up to them. Mainly they chose scriptures we now read because of what was popular back then. I just have faith in God & read the bible as is.
---candice on 2/2/11


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The Word of God is Truth and Truth is in the person of Jesus Christ, who's God. Truth overcomes lies as Light overcomes darkness. To even doubt the Word of God speaks volume of the lack of Faith present in the man.

Scripture declares "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16-17

As the Word of God is Spiritual (John 6:63), the Holy Spirit only guides those born of His Spirit and will lead them to all Truth (John 16:13), and that's a promise from Christ.
---christan on 2/2/11


Cluny: I mean that: is it possible that either the councils accidentally added a book that God did not want, or left out a book that God wanted in His scripture?
---Samuel on 2/2/11


Samuel, the only thing I can tell you if read them ALL and let the Lord speak to your heart as to why these books should or should not be included.

I think men tend to block out what they are afraid of and every one of those men were still sinners.

We still give in to our flesh at times and teach things not written in scripture. Peter was a perfect example of that and Paul had to correct him in Galatians.
---CraigA on 2/2/11


There is no way to "know" that the books in the New Testament are the right books. You have only to have faith that the people who decided on them had divine guidance. That's the best you can do.
---John.usa on 2/2/11


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There are a couple of things we need to understand as Christians. One is God is sovereign, that means that no one can do anything to spoil his plans. Two, the Bible is God word. Therefore what he wanted in his written word is there. The men that selected the book to be placed in the Bible were guided by the Holy Spirit. The Bible is as complete as God intended it.
---Harold on 2/2/11


What do you mean by 'wrong'?
---Cluny on 2/2/11


I take them as correct because they are internally consistent

Of course, there may be other books that are internally consistent, that are not included in the NT
---Peter on 2/2/11


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