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Late Rapture Without No Food

There are several view of the rapture, but pre-, mid-, and post- being most dominate. Let's assume there is only the post-, how would you survive three and a half years without the ability to buy or sell? Is your faith strong enough for God to guide you?

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Elder:

You should re-read your blog of 3/10/11. In that blog you clearly suggested that there were TWO distinct Christian groups.

"Lutherist, in Rev 7:13 one of the elders asked who were the ones arrayed in white robes. The answer is in Rev 7:14-17, "These are they which came out of the great tribulation."
Now this in not tribulation that comes on all Christians.
This is the Great Tribulation also known as the Time of Jacobs Trouble. These were murdered in the Great Tribulation. Do not confuse these with the great mulitude of Rev 7:9"
---Lutherist on 3/15/11


Trav:

Should I have used the term "Hebrew" faith. Because my understanding is that ALL of the Hebrew people practiced the SAME faith. There was not a separate faith for each Tribe!

"Jewish Faith" is the common term used today, however, that does not mean that everyone practicing that faith believe that they are from the Tribe of JUDAH. I have had many discussions with my Jewish friends about their speculation as to which HEBREW TRIBE they are descended.

The problem is, today, after thousands of years, there no longer exists the original priestly records that were kept in the Temple.
---Lutherist on 3/15/11


lutherist:I need to study this myself,my thinking is along these lines..rev 5 Jesus takes the scroll,rev 6 He opens 1st seal and so on..there is a day when ALL will have to acknowledge the Lord..it just seems the timeframe of that would be later as things are still heading to their culmination on earth,and the wicked have yet to be overthrown.The sea and earth give up their Christian dead at the time the living are raptured and could be with the 24 elders as of ch5 v14?
---richard on 3/15/11


Elder I agree too,seems Rev 4 and 5 is describing ongoing events in Heaven and on earth,so that the time frame for the churches departure is very much linked to the beginning of ch4..
---richard on 3/15/11


The first group is purely from Jewish tribes, Rev 7:4c.
---Elder on 3/15/11

With respect to an Elder...there is no such thing as "jewish tribes" plural.
Each son represents his own of Israel.
Each having it's own inheritance.
Not our fault either, we've been taught by foolish,dim seeing,ignorant teachers of men.
Numbers 36:9
Neither shall the inheritance remove from one tribe to another tribe, but every one of the tribes of the children of Israel shall keep himself to his own inheritance.
Jeremiah 51:19
The portion of Jacob is not like them, for he is the former of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the LORD of hosts is his name.
---Trav on 3/15/11




John / Lutherist, I plainly answered your inquiry. So again,
The 12 tribes in 7:4-8 are all from the tribes of Israel.
John then writes, "After this I saw a great multitude from all nations...."
This is with out a doubt two different groups.
This proves that more people than just Jews get saved during the tribulation.
The second group is from many geographical and racial groups that also may contain Jews.
The first group is purely from Jewish tribes, Rev 7:4c.
John you need to stay outta the 5th and digest a pint of Scripture.
---Elder on 3/15/11


Trav:
..you saying that God can't do this because those who practice the "Jewish" faith don't know from which Tribe they are descended?
---Lutherist on 3/14/11

Is a new twist sir. Jewish faith? other tribes practising Jewish faith?
While slightly possible it is not even hinted at in scripture.
Lost Sheep of Israel were the Nth House nations other than Judah/Benjamin.
Were/are found. Know their Shepherd and look for him.
Seldom practicing "Jewish" faith except for mind blown few movie stars and eccentrics.
Find these sheep by their fruit, marks and love of "truth" revealing laws in heart.
Hebrews 10:16
...I will put my laws into their hearts, in their minds will I write them,
---Trav on 3/14/11


I think Elder has taken the 5th. on this issue.

For after all he could find it very frightening to argue against the very words of Lord Himself.

Now That Great commision question I asked ... HMMM????

Let's ask another one...

Pretribers say the Holy Spirit leaves the earth after this "secret rapture" of 865 Million people.

So how do the "Left Behind" get saved without a Holy Spirit to teach them and anoint them????

It must be in 3rd Timothy.
(LeHay that is)
---John on 3/14/11


Elder:

I clearly stated several times now that there are TWO groups in Revelation chapter seven... the 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel (Re 7:1-8) and the Great Multitude of Gentiles (Re 7:9-17).

It was your suggestion in your 3/10/11 blog that... the Great Multitude of (Re 7:9) is a completely different group from the those who come out of the great tribulation (Re 7:13-17). I just can't see them as separate groups in the passage. And, I can't see a need, scripturally, for them to be two separate groups.
---Lutherist on 3/14/11


richard:

I tend to see (Re 5:13) as a kind of INVOLUNTARY responce to the declaration of the multitude of voices in heaven (verse 12). It reminds me of the same type of declaration in (Isa 45:23)(Ro 14:11) and (Phil 2:5-11)

Not sure about a Rapture... Never thought about it... But I am very intrigued! In what way do you see the Rapture here?
---Lutherist on 3/14/11




"The LORD will guide you continually," we have in Isaiah 58:11. So, if we are with God and are obedient to how He guides us . . . He will always take us to His provision for us.

Who says you will need to buy anything? If God's wrath judgments are killing sinners, I consider how they might be leaving behind their cars and houses and refrigerators of food, maybe. You just go to one of these places and get what you need, and maybe adopt their children and win them to Jesus.

It could be easier than how things are now, since those wrath judgments will make it hard for enemies to mess with us . . . maybe > "My yoke is easy and My burden is light." (in Matthew 11:30)
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/14/11


Trav:

I thought that we were talking about God Re-Gathering ALL of Israel (Both Kingdoms and all 12 Tribes) back INTO THEIR OWN LAND. Are you saying that God can't do this because those who practice the "Jewish" faith don't know from which Tribe they are descended? Are you saying that God can't fulfil his own promise and prophesy?
---Lutherist on 3/14/11


I think the catching away/Rapture occurs between Rev 3:22 and 4:1. So, there is no doubt that the verses you report have their place in this time period.
Notice that John said in Rev 4:1 "After this," and "I heard a voice like a trumpet." He then saw heaven.
This ties in with I Thess 4:13-18. Elder

Is Revelation given in a chronological order? It does not seem to be yet you state it is why?

Yes tie it into 1Thess. Which ties into Matt. 25. and Rev. 1:7 or does that cause a problem for you?
---Samuel on 3/14/11


Trav:
(Jer 30:3). Behold, I will bring them from the corners of earth.. (Jer 31:8) This began in 1948, continues still.
---Lutherist on 3/13/11

Well sir, we are taught Jews are Israel on the news at night and at church.
1948 was of men's arrangement. Judah is not all Israel nor is the country named Israel representative of all Israel.
There are more jews (15million+) calling themselves Judeans in America than in misnamed Israel. Just because they say they are doesn't prove it.

Lost Israel was being gathered from Christ time on....unless he failed as many here suggest without realizing they are doing so.
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 3/14/11


Richard if I may, I notice that the church is not spoke of after Rev 3:22 until Rev 19.
I think the catching away/Rapture occurs between Rev 3:22 and 4:1. So, there is no doubt that the verses you report have their place in this time period.
Notice that John said in Rev 4:1 "After this," and "I heard a voice like a trumpet." He then saw heaven.
This ties in with I Thess 4:13-18.
---Elder on 3/14/11


thanks for your comment Lutherist...one scripture I find "interesting" is Rev 5 vs 13,,,this talks of every creature in heaven and on earth etc,but it surely points to all Gods own as we know at that time the wicked still occupy and later they would rather the rocks fall on them than acknowledge God..I find that verse very interesting,possibly (?) even linked to the rapture??? any thoughts?
---richard on 3/14/11


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Lutherist I don't understand??? What am I missing?
You say to me that the Rev 7 is only one group. You say to Trav they are two groups.
The 12 tribes in 7:4-8 are all from the tribes of Israel.
John then says, "After this I saw a great multitude from all nations....
This is with out a doubt two different groups.
This proves that more people than just Jews get saved during the tribulation.
The second group is from many geographical and racial groups that also may contain Jews.
The first group is purely from Jewish tribes, Rev 7:4c.
---Elder on 3/13/11


Trav:

The Great Multitude are GENTILES out of ALL NATIONS, PEOPLE and TONGUES. The 144,000 are from the 12 tribes of ISRAEL (Re 7:3-4 & 9).

In Jeremiah's time, Israel was divided into two kingdoms. The Lord said he will gather them (ISRAEL- the 10 northern tribes and JUDAH- the two southern tribes) again into their own land (Jer 30:3). Behold, I will bring them from the... the corners of the earth.. (Jer 31:8) This began in 1948, and continues still.

God is gathering them to judge them (Jacob's Trouble) with the prophesied final invasion of Israel and the battle of Armageddon... and to rescue the faithful and true REMNANT (represented by the 144,000). The TRUMPET judgments are all about fulfilling THIS prophesy.
---Lutherist on 3/13/11


richard:
...after the fullness of Gentiles has come in, Jacob's Trouble (sorrow) is ALL about God dealing with his Hebrew people.
---Lutherist on 3/12/11

Something that may or may not help understanding. Two partys are listed below. Jacob and Israel the divorced nations you call gentiles. Because you don't recognize em....GOD does.
Jer 30:3 For, lo, days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again captivity of my people Israel and Judah, ....
4 these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

10Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD, neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, thy seed from the land of their captivity,...
---Trav on 3/13/11


richard:

I agree with your position that, after the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, Jacob's Trouble (sorrow) is ALL about God dealing with his Hebrew people.

I have always found it interesting that just before the Seventh Seal is opened, a great multitude of Gentiles are securely in heaven, and only the Hebrew tribes are sealed and protected on the earth.

After the Seventh Seal is opened the details of the revelation seem to all be about the Middle East, Israel, and Jerusalem. What do you think?
---Lutherist on 3/12/11


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Elder:

I just re-read (Re 7:9-17) five times, trying to see TWO different groups as you suggest. I find your argument almost nonsensical. In context (Re 7:9-17) there is absolutely NO reason to suggest TWO seperate groups, unless you just NEED to see TWO seperate groups.

The "Great Multitude" (Re 7:9) are standing before the throne of God dressed in white robes. Those who have come out of the great tribulation (Re 7:13-15) are before the throne of God dressed in white robes.

They are exactly the SAME group.
---Lutherist on 3/11/11


..."And Jacob wrestled with a man"...this MAN,then changed Jacobs name to Israel...Jesus called the tribulation of the end-times the time of Jacobs sorrow...Yes, we all go through tribulations as Christians...but THE tribulation at the end of this age is to restore Israel back to God...blindness has come upon them in part for the sake of the church.
---richard on 3/11/11


Elder:

I may not be a sophisticated as you scripturally...

However, I can't believe that tribulation could get much worse than the tribulation and persecution expierenced by first century Christians.

Also... Doesn't the "Time of Jacob's Trouble" refer to God's judgment of his apostate Hebrew people, and not Gentiles?
---Lutherist on 3/10/11


//---caughtup Jesus does not come to earth at that time! on 3/10/11 //

Amen
---michael_e on 3/11/11


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The Rapture is not a coming at all, Jesus does not come to earth! It is a going we the church are caughtup to meet the Lord in the air. Jesus does not come to earth at that time!
---caughtup on 3/10/11


Lutherist, in Rev 7:13 one of the elders asked who were the ones arrayed in white robes. The answer is in Rev 7:14-17, "These are they which came out of the great tribulation."
Now this in not tribulation that comes on all Christians.
This is the Great Tribulation also known as the Time of Jacobs Trouble. These were murdered in the Great Tribulation. Do not confuse these with the great mulitude of Rev 7:9. They may be part of them but not all of this group is murdered.
I Think the Great Tribulation runs from the end of Rev 3:22 til ch 19. It lasts somewhere near or at 7 years.
Thanks for the way you asked. God Bless.
---Elder on 3/10/11


Elder:

Just curious... You seem quite confident that the "Great Multitude" in Revelation chapter seven are solely those who are killed during a future "Seven Year" tribulation. What are your scripture proofs for WHEN tribulation begins, and HOW LONG it is?
---Lutherist on 3/10/11


Dear Elder yes we need to rightly divide the bible. Dispensationalist do not rightly divide the Bible.

They teach that 2 Tim 3 is wrong. That not all scripture is for doctrine and teaching. True we are not all to walk on water or build arks. But to take the New Testament and put in a secret coming when the next coming of JESUS has to be the Second Coming. He came once so the next time He comes has to be the Second comeing. By not following the Bible you get a false understanding.
---Samuel on 3/10/11


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John, I agree with you on the topic of the tribulation. And many reasons why. Historically, God's people have gone through intense suffering. All the disciples of Jesus, except John, were brutally murdered. Thousands of early Christians were torn to shreds by wild dogs inside the Coliseum. Millions of others were horribly tortured by the Inquisition and burnt to ashes during the Dark Ages. Believers in Russia and China have suffered terribly under Communism, and yet people say, God wouldn't allow us to go through tribulation. Paul told the early Christian converts "we must through many tribulations enter the Kingdom of Heaven"
Jesus said, "In the world you will have tribulation" and many more scriptures.
---Mark_V. on 3/10/11


"REV7:14...
These are they who have come out of the great tribulation, they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
John
John this group is NOT the Church age Saints. You continue to make this error.
The Scripture plainly tells you they are tribulation Saints. They got saved during the tribulation.
You cannot know the proper events until you rightly divide the Word of Truth.
When Jesus told Peter to step out of the boat does that mean that everyone named Peter can walk on water? Who was He speaking to?
---Elder on 3/10/11


Peters inspiration in 2 Peter 3:10 to combine thief in the night with his statement that the heavens shall pass away, clearly indicates that the Day of the Lord covers a multitude of events occurring over an extended period of time, Not a single day or single moment. The heavens passing away and the destruction of the earth by fire occur after the thousand year millennial reign of Christ here on earth.

Peter therefore indicates that come as a thief refers to the unexpected commencement of events covering an undetermined length of time, and not to a single secret moment, only observed by the Saints. Prepare to be saved from the wrath of God, but not the tribulation.
---Dave_J on 3/8/11


//John on 3/1/11 WRONG!!!//

DAN12: 1-3 MATT:24
REV7:14... addressing the Nation of Israel, not the Church the body of Christ, try again.
---michael_e on 3/2/11


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"Nowhere in the Bible does it directly say the Church will go through the tribulation."
---michael_e on 2/27/11

WRONG!!!

DAN12: 1-3
There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people, everyone whose name is found written in the book, will be delivered.

AGAIN....

MATT:24
If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

AND FINALLY..

REV7:14...
These are they who have come out of the great tribulation, they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
---John on 3/1/11


"Nowhere in the Bible does it directly say the Church will go through the tribulation."

Jesus said, "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh" (Matt. 24:44) The only time frame I can think of when we believers would not be expecting Jesus to return would have to be before the tribulation.
---michael_e on 2/27/11


ALSO...

Please explain the Great Commision.

IS IT...

1) We are to witness the Gospel to the world, until the coming of Christ.

OR....

2) We are to witness the Gospel to the world, until 7 year before the coming of Christ.
---John on 2/26/11


Ginger, I agree totally with you. There is only one Second Coming. Not two or three. The books, left behind, are false. The Lord will decent with a shout, it will not be a silent coming. Angels in the form of man in Acts 1:1:9-11 say, " This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you have seen Him go into heaven" They taught no secret coming or vanishing of Christians. Now what happens to those who are unsave? 1 Thess. 4:16-5:3 says,
"...for when they say, 'peace and safety' then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape."
Sudden destruction will overwhelm the lost, and they shall not escape.
---Mark_V. on 2/26/11


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I also don't understand how God could have the wedding feast in Heaven with part of the Bride stuck on earth! That makes no sense to me, personally.
---Mary on 2/25/11


"Then we which are alive and remain" says to me, personally, that it's an end-time gathering of the saints. That the dead all rise first and then we do. Why would God have the dead rise twice? :D
---Mary on 2/24/11


//But the Bible DOES say elsewhere that this gathering happens AFTER the Tribulation//

"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.."

BCV please, where this gathering "in the air" happens after tribulation.
---michael_e on 2/24/11


**//Nothing here about it happening before the Tribulation//
Nothing here about it being during or after the Tribulation.**

But the Bible DOES say elsewhere that this gathering happens AFTER the Tribulation.
---Cluny on 2/23/11


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PRE-TRIB RAPTURE IS A HERESY!!!

It was started (19th century) by a Witch named Margaret McDonald(Google it)passed to John Darby then to John Scoffield who brought it to America.

TRIBULATION IS FOR BELIEVERS! WRATH IS FOR THE WICKED! All believers have gone through tribulation. Why would G-d give "YOU" a pass??? It comes from the word Tribul. A sled use to seperate the Wheat from the Chaff. A testing of faith.

NOW HEAR WHAT JESUS SAID...

MATT 24:29-31.."AFTER the tribulation"
JOHN 17:15 "Do NOT take them out of the world..
JOHN 6:39-40,44,54 "On the LAST day"
JOHN 11:24 "on the LAST day"
JOHN 12:48 "on the LAST day"
DAN 12:1-3

CASE CLOSED!!!
---John on 2/23/11


//---Pastor_Herb on 2/21/11//
amen, very few "rightly divide"
---michael_e on 2/23/11


The rapture takes place in the air, this is not the second coming. The second coming is when Jesus returns to the earth to set up His Kingdom. The rapture happens before the great tribulation. Pastor_Herb

So you and others say. But not the Bible. Read Matthew 24 & 25. Read I Thessolonians the whole book not just three of four verses and stop. If you do you will run into passages that state the rapture as you state it is incorrect.

There is a Rapture. It is also called the Second Coming. The Second Coming is when JESUS returns for His Church.
---Samuel on 2/22/11


The rapture takes place in the air, this is not the second coming. The second coming is when Jesus returns to the earth to set up His Kingdom. The rapture happens before the great tribulation.
---Pastor_Herb on 2/21/11


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You are welcome Mary.

I like the point that all the time we just need to be trusting JESUS. Those early Christians tossed into the Arena were not worried about food.
---Samuel on 2/18/11


it dosent say before it dosent say after....what Paul DID say was "behold I show you a mystery"...have you had a look lately at the vial and trumpet judgements released on the earth as Gods judgement,even Pharoah got off light sleeping with the frogs...the tribulation is like nothing ever before or after the bible says it that way,check these things out!
---richard on 2/17/11


//Nothing here about it happening before the Tribulation//
Nothing here about it being during or after the Tribulation.
if this was no mystery(secret) can anyone find where it is prophesied?
---michael_e on 2/17/11


\\1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
if this was no mystery(secret) can anyone find where it is prophesied?\\

Nothing here about it happening before the Tribulation.
---Cluny on 2/16/11


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1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
if this was no mystery(secret) can anyone find where it is prophesied?
---michael_e on 2/16/11


Well none of the VIEWS about rapture matter because human opinion about pre or post is insignificant. It is what it will be.
God provided food for the Nation of Israel 40 years without so much as a refridgerator or offering.
Either he supplies all of your needs or not.
You can hunker down with powdered food sold by Jim Bakker and other hucksters if your faith is flailing, but either God can provide or he is not God.
He can speak the universe into existence but can't protect and supply a puny human being, c'mon man?
---larry on 2/16/11


Thank you Samuel, that's what I've felt for a long time now, I don't understand it all but to me those verses make everything obvious.
---Mary on 2/16/11


The Second Coming is not a secret event. The Bible says we will meet with JESUS in the sky. 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 25 points out this will be like lighting and not a secret coming. Rev. 1,7 says every eye shall see him. So whether after the meeting his feet touch earth or not there is no secret catching away.
---Samuel on 2/16/11


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**//When Jesus returns to the earth His feet touch the mount of olives...when He returns beforehand to deliver the church it is in the clouds..both references are biblical.....//

Richard, amen, you are right on.**

There was only ONE First Coming of Christ.

There will be only ONE Second Coming.
---Cluny on 2/16/11


Sorry, but I just don't agree with either of you.
Jesus said himself that he would only be back one time and one time only. He said he would come back the same way he left.
I believe that the event you 2 are talking about is part of the one time event of Christ coming back not Jesus coming back twice.
You keep ignoring Jesus' own words..that he was only coming back once.
---ginger on 2/16/11


there was a book called "late great planet earth" and a series called "left behind" and its true they got criticism from certain quarters,but that dosent mean they are false doctrine...on the contrary people need to study the end-times wisely,as a factor of these times is that the bible says there will be mockers who say "where is the promise of His coming?"..maybe previous books,films are not perfect but certainly they are on the right track...go and study...ta to michael e :)
---richard on 2/16/11


//When Jesus returns to the earth His feet touch the mount of olives...when He returns beforehand to deliver the church it is in the clouds..both references are biblical.....//

Richard, amen, you are right on.
it is plain Zech 14 and 1 Thess 4 are not the same event
---michael_e on 2/16/11


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Richard, please give me scripture where Jesus say he is coming back twice.

Thank you.

I have never read that anywhere in the Bible.
I do believe too many have been taken in by the Left behind series. No where did Jesus say he was coming back twice.
Unless of course you can provide me the scripture where he says it or God says it.
---ginger on 2/15/11


the rapture is instantaneous occuring in the twinkling of an eye, the bible says..it is also secret, Jesus arrives in the air like a theif in the night to call up His blood bought church into the clouds and on to the marriage supper...there is no-where in that time frame to be decieved by anti-christ as some claim...you either get taken out or you stay and face the music.There will be tribulation believers..but it will be very hard!
---richard on 2/15/11


When Jesus returns to the earth His feet touch the mount of olives...when He returns beforehand to deliver the church it is in the clouds..both references are biblical.....dont forget that after the rapture He then takes up the deliverance of the Jewish elect,and thats the reason for 2 seperate events taking place within the 7yr timespan decreed for the end of this age.
---richard on 2/15/11


//you will be among the first to fall down and worship Antichrist//.
you have said this before.

bcv please
---michael_e on 2/15/11


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Where does it say that Jesus is coming back twice? Please show me scripture on this.

As I recall, Jesus said himself he is only coming back one time. That time is only known by God the father. That is it.

Wake up because we are in the tribulation right now. It has already begun and it will only get worse.
When the rapture happens, the dead will rise first, then those who are still alive who survived the tribulation. Then the judgement.
I don't recall Jesus ever saying he was coming back more than once.
---ginger on 2/14/11


\\You question shows the untenable position of those who would go through the tribulation. \\

If you think you will be raptured before the tribulation, mima, that means you will be among the first to fall down and worship Antichrist.

\\ Why not take God's Word for the guiding light. He has said I will keep you from that hour of temptation I see no reason to doubt his word.\\

I do and you don't.

Temptation is not the same thing as the Tribulation.

Jesus prayed, "I pray that You NOT take them out of the world, but keep them safe from the evil one."

And you think that you will actually be taken out of this world before the Tribulation, mima?
---Cluny on 2/14/11


when they threw Christians to the lions that was persecution not the "tribulation" that is yet to come and proverbs is not a blueprint for survival in the end-times either...Elijah was fed by ravens for a season until God set apart a day for him to be raptured,,,,is your faith strong eneough to guide you?
---richard on 2/14/11


Proverbs states that if a man steals to satisfy his soul do not condemn him.
---jonne on 2/10/11


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I would remind people that today in many parts of the world that to be a Christians means your life is in constant danger. Just recently in India. Hindus killed over 100 Christians and burned down churches.

Muslim fanatics bombed churches in Eyght and Iraq. Iran and Lebanon has driven most of the Christians out of their country. Tribulation is going on right now. In the U.S. we can talk about how hard it could be. But many know how hard it is.
---Samuel on 2/9/11


---David yes I believe the first resurrection takes place before the tribulation. I am very pre-trib. And yes I believe God comes in the clouds to gather out his people at the time of the first resurrection,
---mima on 2/9/11


one more thing...

with all the symbolism, metaphor, and hyperbole in Rev and the Prophets, why is the period of great tribulation taken so literally?
---aka on 2/8/11


how easily are we deceived...misled? the word 'mark' is a singular and plural.

can't you see ma and pa are dying already? they don't have the mark. try building your own home without many marks.

obesity in the u.s. is epidemic and yet we are starving now. can't you see we are already marked?

today, i will survive like yesterday and the same tomorrow God willing.

there is only One view and the view is good.
---aka on 2/7/11


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Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
---Donna_Smith on 2/7/11


Did we forget that God sent ravens to feed Elijah? And the size of a man's hand to bring rain when Elijah prayed for it.

Did we forget, "And their shoes NEVER wore out?"

King David said, I have never seen the righteous forsaken nor begging bread.

Put your pot outside at night, pray alot, and if God fills the pot with something, good, if he doesn't, then that's still okay....I want out on the first load anyway..lol.
---Donna5535 on 2/7/11


...even if you dont starve you will get be-headed for the testimony of Jesus,and if you survive that and the plagues etc, welcome to ARMEGEDDON...
---richard on 2/6/11


Perhaps nobody knows how to grow their own food anymore.
---KarenD on 2/6/11


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Hi, Steve . . . In case "post-trib" is correct, it is clear the Christian will be safe from God's wrath judgments > even an earlier scripture writer knew this >

"A thousand may fall at your side,
And ten thousand at your right hand,
But it shall not come near you."
(Psalm 91:7)

With all those scorpion creatures attacking evil people, it "might" be kinda hard for them to give us a very hard time, I'd say. Plus, with so many people dying, we Christians can use their food, even choose our house and car, each day, plus adopt their kids left behind by dead parents, and convert them to Jesus.

God is not limited (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/6/11


"How would you survive three and a half years without the ability to buy or sell?"
Barter with those that do have that ability.
"Is your faith strong enough for God to guide you?"
'My reliance is upon the faith of Jesus and I trust that He will both inspire and empower that faith within me.
---Josef on 2/6/11


Mima
Before I ask you this question, I want you to know I ask it out of Love, respect and concern for you.
I am beg you for an honest answer.

In (Revelation 20:4-6) we learn of the First resurrection.
Does the First Resurrection, mentioned in those veses, take place before or after the Tribulation, and is there any mention of Jesus coming in the clouds in the First resurrection?
---David on 2/5/11


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