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Biblical To Kill Animals

Is there scripture telling us not to kill animals? If scripture is silent on the question, is this the reason so many people, including Christians, kill animals for fun?

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But it's an absolute falsehood to believe that violence doesn't occur in the nicest of neighborhoods.

( I was assaulted in a very nice suburban area...

---Donna66 on 2/12/11

I think that women have an advantage over men as far as talking to other people about these assaults goes.

I've been assaulted too. People in my former church -- whom I thought I could trust -- treated me like dirt. I was made to feel like I was lacking in faith, didn't trust GOD enough for my own protection, and should never have felt like hitting my attacker. The pastor just shook his head and went silent.

I completely "lost confidence" in that church.

---Augie on 2/13/11


Even Santa Claus is "vulnerable" to being attacked. I know from experience.

This past Christmas, I got dressed up as Saint Nick. After delivering all the gifts, I got ready to leave. Well, I was immediately surrounded by a circle of the parents as I slowly left.

Later, I was informed that the kids had a plot to "attack' Santa Claus, remove his red clothes, and FIND OUT his real identity. Yikes !!!

It's scary how even young kids are picking up these violent ideas. Probably from TV, video games, Facebook, etc.
---Sag on 2/13/11


I understood, Reba. It wouldn't hurt to mention that many gun owners are not hunters and do not shoot living things (only targets). They enjoy shooting as a sport competing against themselves or others.
---Donna66 on 2/13/11


Yes, I agree Donna. When I said No need to stay in practice of shooting & killing, I was meaning practice shooting to kill living things in general. But that was a good point you made because we all know how ready the criminal stays. You hear about it everyday.
---Reba on 2/12/11


Most people (women, anyway,) don't need to be told not to put themselves in an area known for violence.

But it's an absolute falsehood to believe that violence doesn't occur in the nicest of neighborhoods. ( I was assaulted in a very nice suburban area...but it was near a hospital and he was lying in wait, at shift change,looking for a victim). This is OFTEN the case.

Better to always keep your eyes and ears open... notice details of everything around you. Stay in well lit areas where other people are.
Whatever you use for self-defense, don't appear hesitant and don't forget the element of surprise.
---Donna66 on 2/12/11




I don't have to carry a gun for self defence, my Taekwondo has given me confidence for "limited" defence, altho I've never been attacked by a "board or brick"(lol). Still the best suggestion is not to put yourself in area or situation known for violence!
---1st_cliff on 2/12/11


Reba--You don't have to hunt in order to use a gun. However, you DO need to PRACTICE firing your gun first, if you think you may need it for self defense. It's not as simple as point and shoot. You need to have an experienced person teach you. And you need to practice using a target.

Just a tip...If you think you may need a gun for self defense, you'd better be at ease with that weapon first. When your life is threatened, is not the time to figure out how it works. And if you do not appear confident, a criminal may take take the gun from you in a heart beat! Then HE is armed and YOU aren't.
---Donna66 on 2/12/11


I have NEVER gone hunting in my life. NEVER will. However, should someone attack me or one of my loved ones & I had a way of stopping it... I WOULD NOT HESITATE to do so!!! You don't have to be in practice of shooting or killing to react to danger & defend yourself or someone else.
---Reba on 2/12/11

I'll 2nd that!

Dogs have bitten me delivering newspapers. Some teenagers threaten anyone who walks by. We all need to be "Ready" to defend ourselves.

Where I live, the police spend more time at the donut shop than patroling. Many look too big for even running after crooks.
---Sag on 2/12/11


I have NEVER gone hunting in my life. NEVER will. However, should someone attack me or one of my loved ones & I had a way of stopping it... I WOULD NOT HESITATE to do so!!! You don't have to be in practice of shooting or killing to react to danger & defend yourself or someone else.
---Reba on 2/12/11


David--- If someone really wants to kill you, he doesn't have to be a hunter to do it!
---Donna66 on 2/10/11

Donna
I am not saying that people who kill people are all hunters, but they do have more of a propensity to kill, than someone who does not hunt.
---David on 2/11/11




David--- If someone really wants to kill you, he doesn't have to a hunter to do it!
Ever read or watch murder mysteries?
Esau had the motive, the means (which could have been a variety of things), and as far a anyone knew, was just waiting for the opportunity.
---Donna66 on 2/10/11


Elder-- Don't you know the "Easter Bunny" is Pagan!
Call him "chocolate" if you wish, but we all know he is actually poison!
---Donna66 on 2/10/11


Why did Jacob fear Esau? Because he was a hunter? or because Jacob had decieved both Esau and his father to obtain what was not rightfully his. Donna66 on 2/9/11

Donna
If Jacob feared Esau because he stole his birthright, he would have made plans to leave, before he had stolen it.
Jacob left, because Esau planned to kill him.
(Genesis 27:42-43)
"Your brother Esau is planning to avenge himself by killing you, Now then, my son, do what I say: Flee at once to my brother Laban in Harran."


Most of us have heard an angry person say, "I'll kill you!",
But we do not pack our bags and leave town, unless we believe the person making the threat is capable of killing us.
---David on 2/10/11


So... is eating a chocolate Easter Bunny good for you or sinful?
---Elder on 2/10/11


Cluny---Meat is still not as big a part of the diet in many places. The staple in many countries is rice and other carbohydrates, which are far more plentiful and cheaper.
I've never maintained the people SHOULD hunt, only that there is nothing wrong with it.
Tricinosis, and any other parasite that I know of, is avoided by cooking meat thoroughly.I've never heard of a modern day case. Never heard of any parasite acquired from venison.
---Donna66 on 2/9/11


David--Hunters take pictures and display animal heads for the same reason men frame award certificates and sports trophies. They have done something difficult to accomplish and they want others to notice.

Why did Jacob fear Esau? Because he was a hunter? or because Jacob had decieved both Esau and his father to obtain what was not rightfully his.
One needn't be a "hunter" to be a killer. Of the many murders in the OT, few involved "hunting" skills (tho a number involved warfare..and most men were required to go to war)
---Donna66 on 2/9/11


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Historically meat was not as big a part of diets as it is now in the modern American diet.

Most dieticians will say that we do eat too much meat.

Most Orthodox monastics living in community avoid meat for two reasons: to avoid bloodshed and for the sake of monastic poverty--meat is generally more expensive.
---Cluny on 2/9/11


One of my former friends was a very strict "vegetarian". He refused to go to any restaurant that served MEAT: Hamburgers, Roast Beef, Spare Ribs, etc.

I eventaully got tired of hearing about how "Eating Meat Is Sinful" and parted ways with this friend.

I have always believed that the killing of animals "for FUN" is sinful, but not doing so "for FOOD".

I even went to a Catholic priest and asked forgiveness for my "feeling guilty" abot eating MEAT. The priest just looked at me, laughed, and told me:

"GET OVER IT! GOD says in the Bible that we can eat MEAT."

My false guilt went away. AMEN!
---Sag on 2/9/11


I remember inviting my "vegetarian" friend to an Easter play/performance at a non-denominational church.

After the mid-afternoon play/performance, the church had dinner available for a small sum. As a Christian gift, I offered to buy dinner for my friend. But that is when I ran into trouble. Uh, Oh!

The dinner consisted of: Spaghetti, Bread, Garden Salad, and Pie. My friend was "offended" that the main dish included MEAT and left by himself. I stayed for the dinner and fellowship.

I don't think that I did anything wrong. If my "vegetarian" friend was "offended", it wasn't because of anything that I did.
---Sag on 2/9/11


Peter- How then do you explain the following?

Act 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter, kill, and eat.
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Robyn- I'm not(and cannot)prevent anyone from posting OR disagreeing me. Lots of people take up space posting repeatedly on a subject they feel strongly about. No one is forced to read what they are not interested in.
---Donna66 on 2/8/11


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Peter- In fact it looks like he expects us to eat meat.
Peter (your namesake) tells in Acts 10:12 of his vision: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air
Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter, kill, and eat.
.

Robyn- I'm not(and cannot)prevent anyone from posting OR disagreeing with me. A number of others have also posted on this blog. I'm free to disagree and so are they!
Moderators are also free to edit me, if I'm inappropriate.
And you are free to pass up any blog that does not interest you.
---Donna66 on 2/8/11


Before the flood the first humans not only ate plants, but they raised cattle and flocks of sheep- Genesis 1:24+ 4:2. And we know that Jesus used the skins of animals in order to clothe Adam and Animate- Genesis 3:21. And we know that Abel offered his sheep with its fat for a sacrifice up to Jesus, and Jesus took it but he did not take Cain's fruit of the ground- Genesis 4:3-5.
---Eloy on 2/8/11


Have you ever known anybody who hunts "for the pleasure of killing animals"? -Donna66

Donna
Why do hunters, take pictures and pose with their kill?
Why do hunters, hang the heads of their kill on the walls, for all to see?
The fact is, God has provided most people with other sources of food, so that we do not have to kill animals.
Most of those who hunt, do so because they find pleasure in it.

God provided Isaac with many Flocks of animals, and yet his son Esau still killed the wild animals.
Why did Jacob flee from his fathers camp after receiving Esau's birthright?
It was because he was afraid that Esau would kill him, because Esau was a killer.
This is one of the reasons that God hated Esau.
---David on 2/9/11


Of course, before the Flood, man was to live on plant food alone.
---Peter on 2/8/11

I've heard many respected people teach that the Earth was as: Technologically advanced, Farming and Agriculture based, Populated, Sinful, etc. as TODAY. I gathered that that meant MEAT was a part of people's diets.

GOD sent the Flood to "wash away" the SIN from the Earth. Whatever had been developed on the Earth up until that time. Including the "eating of meat".

Noah and his family started life again as "vegetarians". Then came Noah's drunken times, and SIN began to work it's way back into the people's lives. We're living in "times" like "those" before the Flood.
---Sag on 2/9/11


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Cluny" "OTOH, it may have picked up internal parasites that would be passed on to those who eat its flesh."

Maybe that's why God said to not eat pork (you know, trichina larva and all). Oh, but you don't follow the Old Testament, do you?
---jerry6593 on 2/9/11


Of course, before the Flood, man was to life on plant food alone (I was never sire about milk and eggs), so perhaps God did create us so that we COULD live on a vegetarian dies - He just does not ask us to now!
---Peter on 2/8/11


Donna66: Stop already! You have made your point! For Gods' sake. You are using up way too much space on this site. Show some kind of christian love, if possible and give someone else a chance to post. You don't have to rant and go toe to toe with everybody that disagrees with you. Its ok to disagree. It does not make you a smarter or better christian to keep posting like you have been doing. Some people just like to argue for the sake of argument. Please use discernment.
---Robyn on 2/8/11


\\Those who eat meat, who are interested in health, should recognize that game is generally very lean. It has had absolutely no antibiotics injected OR hormones. Nor has it been stressed by living under crowded and artificial conditions.\\

OTOH, it may have picked up internal parasites that would be passed on to those who eat its flesh.
---Cluny on 2/8/11


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jerry6593-- Thanks for your tolerance to hunters. As I said, I don't hunt myself.

Those who eat meat, who are interested in health, should recognize that game is generally very lean. It has had absolutely no antibiotics injected OR hormones. Nor has it been stressed by living under crowded and artificial conditions.
---Donna_Smith on 2/7/11


\\There should be guilt, when there is none.
Why?\\

Well, God said through Solomon, "All who hate Me love death."

It doesn't have to be the death of humans, I suppose.
---Cluny on 2/7/11


Bill_willa6989--- Yes, I AM saying ants don't have "feelings" for each other. They have inborn instincts to preserve their species and are guided to each other mainly by smell.
Skunks are more complex animals, as are dogs. Dogs definitely seem to display emotions. Do they have "spirits"? The Bible doesn't support this. But IF they do....you must answer, can they sin? Can they go to Heaven? And that's a whole new topic.
---Donna66 on 2/7/11


1st Cliff-- I read your post and disagree that serial killers start off killing for sport (do you have any data to back this up?) Typically serial killers start as children by torturing small animals.. which is not normal behavior.
The so-called-"thrill" of the hunt, has little to do with just killing animals.

If number 3 is true it is exceedingly rare.

Most trophy hunting is now illegal. (except a few who are raised for this purpose)

"catch and release" is demanded by government regulations as a safe-guard for the species. That means fish under a certain size or over a certain size must be put back immediatly after being caught. Again, fishing is mainly for food.
---Donna66 on 2/7/11


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Have you ever known anybody who hunts "for the pleasure of killing animals"?
I haven't and I've had hunters around me all my life. To take "pleasure in killing" animals is sick.

To hunt for food and to test one's skill at the sport of shooting, to enjoy the outdoors and the companionship of other "guys"
...this is why people hunt.
You are a skilled hunter if you take down and kill an animal with a single shot so they DON'T suffer.
---Donna66 on 2/7/11


Donna . . . (c: . . . entomologists say ants don't have feelings for each other? Is this what you are saying? Well, entomologists also may say ants are evolved and just material beings. And evolutionists may believe that emotions are just physical and that there is no spiritual existence in living things. But I offer that emotions have spiritual roots. Spiritual beings do have emotions and can share them with humans, so how about with animals, skunkies, and . . . ants ? ? ? (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/7/11


Donna66, If you read my post I said that serial killers "start off" killing for sport then they graduate to killing for the thrill"
I believe that there are at least four types of hunters.
#1 kills for food.
#2 Enjoys the "thrill of the HUNT"
#3 Sadistic thrill of killing.
#4 The Safari hunter who hunts for trofies to hang on the wall to show what a great hunter he is!
But then there's the "catch-n-release " fisher who hooks the fish in the mouth, then throws it back...hmmmm it takes all kinds!
---1st_cliff on 2/7/11


David-- You weren't planning on eating that little bird you shot...so maybe your guilt is appropriate.
---Donna66 on 2/7/11


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It IS Biblical to kill animals for food. I believe that GOD permits this in order that human beings get proper nutrition.

I still find it "very strange" that Christians, at work, church, social gatherings, etc. once convinced me to GIVE UP eating MEAT, drinking MILK, etc.

I ended up having to visit a doctor about this. They found that I was "anemic" and my body was suffering from my vegetarian diet. I was told that I needed to EAT BETTER, and right away!

GOD had a good reason for permitting people to kill, and eat, animals.
---Sag on 2/7/11


David, I've heard about BUCK FEVER all my life... but the way I've heard the term, it means an overpowering desire to get a BUCK next time!
---Donna66 on 2/6/11

Donna
I have never shot a deer, but I did shoot a bird with a B.B. Gun once, and I did feel that which deer hunters described to me as being, "Buck Fever".

I have always believed that men who hunt, for the pleasure of killing animals, are in need of repentance.
There should be guilt, when there is none.
Why?
---David on 2/7/11


I hope that all of you who hate cruelty to animals are vegetarians. Have you ever seen what goes on at the slaughter houses? Have you seen the cruelty to calves involved in the production of veal, or the wretched life of a food chicken?

A deer in the wild with a quick death by gunshot has a much more humane life and death than do our commercial food animals.

The Bible says that God gave man dominion over the animals and permission to eat the clean ones. So, although I am a vegetarian, I defend the right of anyone to kill and eat animals if they choose.
---jerry6593 on 2/7/11


I don't think animals should be killed for fun(sport). If an animal is killed for food,that is a different story.I know of no scripture that tells us not to kill animals.But we should have the sense enough to know it is wrong to kill anything for pleasure. We don't need a scripture to tell us this.
---Robyn on 2/6/11


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Ist Cliff-- Potential serial killers do not kill animals for "sport". They kill because they like to see another being suffer.

Those who hunt for "sport" are interested in the skill involved .Were they inclined to become serial killers, we'd have thousands of serial killers. Fortunately, serial killers are not all that common.
---Donna66 on 2/6/11


Bill_willa6989

//So, I can see that a little ant can understand death and feel the loss of her sister, and even seek revenge. That's pretty highly functional, I would say, for an ant. //

It certainly would be, if true! You are attributing human emotions and motives to an ant... of which all etymologists would tell you, insects are incapable.

Anyway, you show yourself to be a kind and compassionate person.
If the ants could realized this, they'd probably be grateful.
---Donna66 on 2/6/11


There are times when I have been walking after a rain and I see a worm on the sidewalk, and "the merciful shall receive mercy" comes to mind and I celebrate this by putting or tossing the worm into the grass or under shrubs. I used to hook worms for fishing. Now I don't fish.

Once I trapped a skunk and beat the living daylights out of it after it sprayed me. As a Christian I have allowed skunkies to walk toward me and brush my legs. One started running, I'd say after it smelled that I wasn't a tree. Poor skunky, abused by my smell (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/6/11


Killing animals for food is biblical: Genesis 9:2,3+ Mark 14:12-21+ Act 10:9-16+ Romans 14:1,2+ I Timothy 4:1-4.
---Eloy on 2/6/11


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David, I've heard about BUCK FEVER all my life... but the way I've heard the term, it means an overpowering desire to get a BUCK next time!

I personally don't like to shoot deer (I'm an animal lover)...I'm happy to eat venison, tho. The hundreds of hunters I've known, all use the meat. (Though the hunt itself may be fun for them). Some years, we've eaten more venison than beef.

It's not cruel, however. It's pretty humane compared to starving to death in the winter or dying of disease, which is what happens to deer when the herd grows too large. Mountain lions are the main predator against deer, and most often, there are not enough of them to control the deer population

The natural world is cruel. But God made it that way.
---Donna66 on 2/6/11


I can not comment on the motives or morals of another I will simply share an experience. When I was a young boy I ask for and received a high powered BB gun for Christmas. I became a hunter of small animals in the neighborhood until I eventually actually hit one. I shot a bird off an electrical wire and saw it fall to the ground, I could not sleep for weeks afterwards. No one told me it was wrong to shoot an animal before or after that incident, however my conscience convicted me for years, and to this day I will kill nothing that I do not absolutely have to. Was it God or guilt? If quilt were did the guilt originate?
---Josef on 2/6/11


I honestly believe that anyone who kills any living creature for the fun of watching it suffer, God, their creator, will judge them harshly! He tells us that He sees & realizes when even a creature as small as a sparrow falls. We as humans are not getting away with being cruel to animals.
---Reba on 2/6/11


David, I know the feeling (buck fever) After I shot my 1st deer at age 18 (went hunting with my father)I sold my rifle and said to my dad "I can't do this".
They (hunting party) said "well you're entitled to a portion of the venison"
I said "Sorry but I don't think I could eat it".
Hamburgers and steak don't bother me because I don't witness the kill!
---1st_cliff on 2/5/11


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Ask most Deer Hunter's, and they will tell you after they shoot their first Deer, they get "Buck Fever".

What is "Buck Fever"?
A hunter's definition is the feeling of Extreme guilt, before and after, they kill their first Deer.
Strangely enough, after they kill a few more, the feelings of guilt, fade away.

Where does Guilt, come from, who do you think causes men who kill, to have this "Buck fever"?
For me, this answer is obvious, it is God showing his displeasure for men who kill anything, whether it be man or beast, when God see's no need for them to kill.
Ironically, a Serial Killer also feels this guilt, that just fades away.
---David on 2/5/11


Hope5979

You have taken Isa 66:3 completely out of context. It has nothing to do with the morality of killing animals.

Sacrificing an ox or a lamb, making a poured offering of the blood or burning incense were all provided for in the law. The message is about motive not actions.

When read in context, Isaiah is saying that if you think you are doing something good killing (sacrificing) an ox without the proper contrition and reverence you are not. It is no better than making a human sacrifice.

Notice he goes on to compare the sacrificing of a lamb to the sacrificing of a dog. The sacrifice of a poured out offering to that of pig blood and burning incense to idol worship.
---Bruce5656 on 2/5/11


Once, I left some crumbs on the ground so I could enjoy watching ants come to get them. There was a soldier ant. It chopped on ant in two, then another ant came to her sister, looked, then attacked the soldier ant. So, I can see that a little ant can understand death and feel the loss of her sister, and even seek revenge. That's pretty highly functional, I would say, for an ant.
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/5/11


A lot of serial killers started off killing animals for "sport"
Nimrod the "mighty hunter" is reputed to also have hunted people!
---1st_cliff on 2/4/11


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the only reason to kill animals are for food, not fun or overpopulation.
---Candice on 2/4/11


Pro 12:10 'A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel'. This verse tells me people that are cruel to animals (cause or enjoy suffering) are wicked & will go to hell. To kill quickly & humanely for food is not a sin. But in the garden of eden, God gave humans plant life to eat, not animals. Some believe during the 1000yr reign of Christ, this will be restored. Another interesting verse:Isa 66:3 'He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man'
---Hope5979 on 2/4/11


"If you take delight in the killing of animals, and find it fun, I would say there is something at least mentally wrong with you.
---Cluny on 2/4/11"

LOL! Very true!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/4/11


If you take delight in the killing of animals, and find it fun, I would say there is something at least mentally wrong with you.
---Cluny on 2/4/11


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It's biblical to kill animals for food/sacrifices.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/4/11


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