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I would like to ask people if the Church they attend, tell people to JUST BELIEVE what they are taught?

Do they encourage people to take time to study scripture for themselves? ACTS 17-11. Asking/answering the questions, WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY and to WHOM the SCRIPTURE IS WRITTEN?

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Just Google "Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano" to see what is said about Jesus' Flesh and Blood being in the Eucharist.
---Philomena on 3/20/11


\\If the literal flesh of Christ transforms into a wafer, and you don't believe you digest it, then Christ flesh would have to transform back to Jesus and the wafer back to a wafer.\\

No, it doesn't.

What you're saying here is the heresy of the receptionism. The change of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is an objective truth, and happens (though not in Protestant Churches) whether you believe it or not.

In the case you described, a person who received Communion without faith would be receiving unto his own damnation.

But it's pointless to discuss strong meat like this in front of people who don't even believe that Jesus Christ is truly God truly incarnate.
---Cluny on 3/20/11


Mark & Cluny

I think (in spite of my earlier post) that the bread and wine are more than symbolic.

There is no physical change to the bread & wine, nor does it literally become flesh & blood.

But if we join in the last supper (whatever we call it, mass, communion etc) in full faith, then we do receive Him spiritually and I don't think this conflicts in any way with what Jesus told us about the bread & wine being His body & blood
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/20/11


Mark maybe you can help me. If the wafer(god) becomes the flesh of Christ, and the wine becomes His blood, and I partake of it, is it a sin if I burp? Or are they allowed to do that in the RCC...?
---Elder on 3/20/11


Cluny, my question came from:
If the literal flesh of Christ transforms into a wafer, and you don't believe you digest it, then Christ flesh would have to transform back to Jesus and the wafer back to a wafer. In other words, two transformations, one from Jesus literal flesh to a wafer, and then Jesus flesh back to Christ and the wafer went back to been just a wafer. But you did clear the air, when you said it was symbolic. I agree. Because at no time does the wafer turn to the literal flesh of Christ. And when we take communion it symbolizes His flesh and His blood.
---Mark_V. on 3/20/11




\\ And the transformation from Christ literal flesh to just a wafer at another time. Cluny,\\

Where did you get this idea, MarkV? Can you explain what you mean by it?
---Cluny on 3/20/11


Cluny, I was hoping you did not answer me but since you did, I'm glad you said it was symbolic. Not real literal flesh and blood you were taking in. So then you are a cannibal but a "symbolic cannibal" and when Philomena said,
"This is My body...this is My blood" during mass (the consecration), that is when the bread becomes Jesus' flesh and the wine becomes His blood."
She didn't mean real literal flesh and blood. But symbolically. Representing Jesus flesh and blood. Great answer.
Oil is many times a symbol of the Holy Spirit. Colors that frequently possess symbolic significance are white, red, and purple, representing the concepts of purity, bloodshed, and royalty, respectively.
---Mark_V. on 3/20/11


\\The transformation has to happen literally at some point in time.\\

The key word here is "literal". Nobody ever said that it was literal but you.

\\ And the transformation from Christ literal flesh to just a wafer at another time. Cluny,\\

Nobody ever said that, either, but you.

But since you brought it up, when they are no longer bread and wine to sight, taste, or touch, they are no longer the Body and Blood of Christ.

\\ what is Spiritual is not literally physical.\\

Again, nobody but you said it was literal.
---Cluny on 3/19/11


\\I meant to say "I can't accept that the bread and wine are more than symbolic.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/19/11\\

Did you know that the Greek word "symbolos" means "a bringing together of two realities"? In this case, the reality of bread and wine, and the reality of the Body and Blood of Christ.

In ancient thought a symbol was not an empty sign, but was itself the thing signified.
---Cluny on 3/19/11


Jesus says to us, "You are the salt of the earth," in Matthew 5:13. He did not say the Eucharist is the salt. Paul says we ourselves "are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones," in Ephesians 5:30. And we have the real presence of Jesus Himself already in us > "My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you," (Galatians 4:19). Because of being perfected in His love, "as He is, so are we in this world," (in 1 John 4:17) we are guaranteed, no procrastinating until another life, for this.
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/19/11




My last post was printed incorrectly!

I meant to say "I can't accept that the bread and wine are more than symbolic.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/19/11


Philomena, thank you for your honesty of answers. I believe we have talked about this subject way too many times. I believe I will move from the RCC doctrines and traditions, because there is just too many bad things in history to talk about and many times we spend too much time on those topics. I will move on to other topics and let others answer this one. Peace be with you.
---Mark_V. on 3/19/11


Philomena ... Does it look like flesh & blood?

I can't accept that the bread & wine are symbolic ... when we eat and drink them in faith during the communion service (or mass) we are spiritually nourished. For that there is no need for actual physical flesh & blood.

I'm 100% with Mark on this issue
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/19/11


John 6:53
"Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you."

In scripture, you will find that Jesus is known in the "breaking of the bread." When the priest says, "This is My body...this is My blood" during mass (the consecration), that is when the bread becomes Jesus' flesh and the wine becomes His blood.
---Philomena on 3/19/11


Cluny, your believes come from your mind, so I will ask this question:

"At what point in time does the wafer turn to the literal flesh of Christ? Does the factory that make the wafers have the power to turn the bread to Jesus Flesh? or does the delivery man turn it to Jesus flesh? Does it turn to literal flesh of Christ when the wafers are in the cup? or when its on your tongue? or when it goes into your stomach? And if it's literal flesh in your stomach, do you digest the flesh?

The transformation has to happen literally at some point in time. And the transformation from Christ literal flesh to just a wafer at another time. Cluny, what is Spiritual is not literally physical.
---Mark_V. on 3/19/11


\\Ye search the scriptures, because ye think that in them ye have eternal life, and these are they which bear witness of me, John 5:39\\

In other words, Jesus is saying that devotion to the Scriptures can become an obstacle to seeing Him--in other world, idolatry (Bibliolatry, to be specific).
---Cluny on 3/18/11


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The people who Paul and JESUS preached to were urged to search the scriptures. The Bible is not just the New Testament.

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Ye search the scriptures, because ye think that in them ye have eternal life, and these are they which bear witness of me, John 5:39

The entire Bible is scripture all of it points to JESUS. It is men who put tradition above scripture. Just like the people who rejected JESUS.
---Samuel on 3/18/11


MarkV, are you aware that one of the charges brought against Christians in the first 3 centuries is cannibalism?

I rejoice to be called a cannibal by those who refuse to believe the very words of Jesus Himself.
---Cluny on 3/18/11


Philomena, your staking your life on wrong teachings. Thinking that if you literally eat the flesh of Christ and drink His literal blood you will have eternal life. That is a lot to stake. Even Ruben gives you an Amen, since it is not his soul, but supports your interpretation. That is why I have been saying that Catholics have salvation by works, their own rituals.
1. The Trinity is not, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Bread.
2. Jesus is seating at the right hand of the Father.
3. The comments made by Jesus at the time, His blood had not be shed and they were taking bread already. Jesus did not cut His own flesh and give to the disciples.
4. You would have to be a cannibal.
5. A piece of bread cannot change to human flesh.
---Mark_V. on 3/18/11


\\ We are certain that the first communion was symbolic.\\

Who's "We," mima?

The first 16 centuries of Christians certainly were not certain about this.

The vast majority of Christians even today are not.
---Cluny on 3/18/11


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---Philomena first I appreciate your frankness. However if you take what Jesus said literally you're completely out of bounds. We are certain that the first communion was symbolic. Jesus did not cut his flesh and have the apostles eat it nor did he drain his own blood and have them drank it.
Another problem with taking Jesus words literally being fulfilled in your communion is the fact that this would make you cannibalistic. These things deserve thought.
---mima on 3/17/11


back to the thief on the cross....
---micha9344 on 3/17/11


\\Christian's have an obligation to Test the word preached, to ensure it lines up with the Writen Word of God.\\

Really, AngelX?

When was this obligation imposed?

Don't forget, there was a time when the NT was not written, and all Christians had WAS the word proclaimed.

And even when it was written down, how could one check it out? People didn't have their own copies at home.

You don't actually think that people in the early centuries brought their Bibles to Church, do you?
---Cluny on 3/17/11


MarkV, Jesus said:
John 6:53
"Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you."

I take that literally and stake my eternal life on it.
---Philomena on 3/16/11


AMEN!
---Ruben on 3/17/11


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MarkV, Jesus said:
John 6:53
"Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you."

I take that literally and stake my eternal life on it.
---Philomena on 3/16/11


Philomena, the RCC as those Jews present took Jesus words literally. He was not speaking literally since He had already said in v. 47 before 53,
"Most assuredly, I say to you he who believes in Me has everlasting life" Jesus point was an analogy that has spiritual, rather then literal significance, just as eating and drinking are necessary for physical life, so also is belief in His sacrificial death on the cross necessary for eternal life. The eating of His flesh and drinking of His blood metaphorically symbolize the need for accepting Jesus works on the cross.
Once again the Jews as the RCC in their willful and judicial blindness, could not see the real spiritual significance and truth behind Jesus statements.
---Mark_V. on 3/15/11


Christian's have an obligation to Test the word preached, to ensure it lines up with the Writen Word of God.
Blessings
Angel x
---Angel_x on 3/13/11


John 6:53
"Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
55
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him."

That is as literal as it gets, MarkV.
---Philomena on 3/13/11


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\\We feed on Jesus by coming to Him by faith. by believing in Him as the perfect Lamb of God whose death secured eternal life for us.\\

And also by receiving Him in the Holy Eucharist.
---Cluny on 3/13/11


Philomena, v. 6:52, "The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?"
they thought Jesus was speaking literally, their question was natural. This people had already been confuse by Jesus words that He came down from heaven when they knew He came from Nazareth. The theme of Jesus' teaching all through the dialogue is the giving of Himself as the perfect sacrifice, which results in eternal life for all who believe by faith. How does one feed on Jesus? The Lord provided the answer. "He who comes to Me will never go hungry"
We feed on Jesus by coming to Him by faith. by believing in Him as the perfect Lamb of God whose death secured eternal life for us.
---Mark_V. on 3/13/11


\\As you can see, the Word of God is not what is important in the Mass. \\

It's not the most important thing, no.

The Word of God can and should be read at home.

But to celebrate the Eucharist takes the gathering of the Body.

However, this is strong meat and cannot profitably be discussed before people who don't even yet believe that Jesus Christ is true God and true Man in one Person.
---Cluny on 3/12/11


MarkV, the disciples certainly did understand a literal interpretation of what Jesus was saying. In John Chapter 6 Jesus said to his disciples, "Will you leave me too?" Why would anyone have wanted to leave Jesus unless they believed He LITERALLY meant for everyone to eat His flesh and drink His blood (which was abhorrent to a Jew)? He did not say, "Wait, I didn't mean it that way. You are misunderstanding Me. No, He said, "will you leave Me too?"
---Philomena on 3/12/11


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Philomena, as to prove of what I say, your answer confirmed it. You said:
"The most important reason to go to Mass is to receive Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament."
As you can see, the Word of God is not what is important in the Mass.
When Jesus gave the apostles the bread and said it was His body, and when He said the cup contained His blood shed for the forgiveness of sins, the apostles didn't understand Him literally. How could they since Jesus had not died upon the Cross? His blood had not been shed yet. The apostles were still very unclear that Jesus atoning death was required. Peter even tried to prevent it from happening. Jesus didn't cut His flesh or filled a cup with His blood.
---Mark_V. on 3/12/11


\\While there are gospel passages read at every mass, are those passages not fixed according to the calendar? And does the yearly calendar cover every verse in each of the four gospels?\\

I cannot say just how the Scriptures are distributed in the present Roman Catholic lectionary. It's a 3 year cycle for Sundays and 2 year for ordinary week days.

In the Orthodox Church, the NT is read twice during the year, if I'm not mistaken.
---Cluny on 3/8/11


Philomena:

No, just on Sundays.

It would be interesting to see a calendar showing what the Gospel readings are every day of the year to actually be able to see whether they are totally covered or not, unfortunately, I have been unable to find one. Do you know if there are any on-line listings like that?
---StrongAxe on 3/8/11


"And does the yearly calendar cover every verse in each of the four gospels? When I read the New Testament gospels for myself, I remember reading a lot of things I had never heard in [Catholic] church." StongAxe

Did you go to daily Mass? You would hear most of the Bible throughout the year if you did. The most important reason to go to Mass is to receive Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament.
---Philomena on 3/8/11


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After receiving the Lord Jesus Christ a Catholic lady insisted on taking me to witness to each of her nine siblings at her father's funeral. We went, we witnessed, five of the nine prayed with us to receive the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal savior.
---mima on 3/8/11


Cluny:

While there are gospel passages read at every mass, are those passages not fixed according to the calendar? And does the yearly calendar cover every verse in each of the four gospels? When I read the New Testament gospels for myself, I remember reading a lot of things I had never heard in [Catholic] church.
---StrongAxe on 3/8/11


Philomena, no one is taught the gospel at mass. If they did, none would worship idols and pray to saints. Few carry Bibles, none read them. No one changes. Everyone drinks, goes to parties and cusses all the time. I don't mean every single person. Because some of you do read to defend your church. Craig asked me if I left because I wanted security, I never even thought of security, I was happy with my idols and my church. I did not realize how deep in idolatry I was in. All I did was trust the Church and the saint's. Christ was never in my mine, St. Martin de Porras was. He was my saint whom I ask to help me and guide me. Yet my life was still a mess. Nothing change in my life. You are a sincere person just like I was. Blind to the real Truth.
---Mark_V. on 3/8/11


Philomena 2: I don't know what churches you attend but in every Catholic church I have attended it has been the same. Unless the Catholics are different in Texas, Mexico, and all of South America. I had a picture of Jesus, but I had a shrine for St. Martin. To deny this is permitted is to be dishonest when someone speaks. I was not looking to get out. God broke me and convicted of my sins. And I begin to see the depth of my idol worship. Sure, pictures of saints do inspire a person, inspire them to depend on them, and not Christ. That is why I said that when a Church begins to idol worship, it is a sign they have separated from God. I only wish that instead of denying the Truth, people start to think deep about their believes.
---Mark_V. on 3/8/11


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"I was a Catholic for more then half of my life, attended many mass's." MarkV

If that is true, then it's clear you were not taught or did not learn the true teachings of the church. If you want to know what the church teaches, go to the vatican website. If you really understood that Jesus was present in the Blessed Sacrament, why would you leave the Church?
---Philomena on 3/7/11


"I personally would be interested in learning more about the apostles,...
Other writings of theirs would be interesting, but there too many questions about their authenticity, for me to rely on them." Donna66

That is one good reason why Jesus gave us The Church. Throughout the centuries the Church has followed the teachings of the Apostles and has given the Holy Spirit to guide us to Truth.
---Philomena on 3/7/11


\\ I was a Catholic for more then half of my life, attended many mass's.\\

If you did, you would know that the Gospel is read at Mass, MarkV.

Why did you say it was not?
---Cluny on 3/7/11


In my Sabbath school class we are studying about emotions and how a Christian should relate to them as well as control.

We just studied about Jealousy. We read of Joseph's brother, Saul and JESUS himself how jealousy and envy are evil.

What are you studying about in your church?
---Samuel on 3/7/11


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if you need clothes for your kids and a drinkin' buddy on Sat after mass, call a Catholic and invite some friends.

if you want prayer for your kids' clothing needs and a drinkin' buddy on Sat before church on Sun, just call a Protestant, but make sure it is on the d(own)-l(ow).
---aka on 3/7/11


Philomena, Cluny is correct. A person needs to be saved in order to receive and understand the Word of God. I was a Catholic for more then half of my life, attended many mass's. I have seen and been a part of what everyone does. Kneel to saints statues, lighted candles to them, even kissed the feet of one of them. I asked for help from the Madonna's, visited many of their shrines. People made promises to the saints in return for a miracle they ask. And thousands would promise to keel for miles if the Madonna would answer their prayers. Others made different promises. They were not worshiping Christ, but someone who had died through a statue. Anyone who says this is not true, is too far in idolatry to admit it.
---Mark_V. on 3/7/11


Philomena, something has occurred to me.

What's the point in apologetics and teaching about liturgics before people who don't even believe in the full Deity of Jesus--or even His full humanity and the Hypostatic union?

If they haven't even come to the saving knowledge of who Jesus is, this is all useless.
---Cluny on 3/6/11


Philomena-
I personally would be interested in learning more about the apostles, since many of their words appear in the Bible.
Other writings of theirs would be interesting, but there too many questions about their authenticity, for me to rely on them.

I'd rather study the scripture inspired by God, than get just a little from several different ancient writings. The Bible, alone, has enough breadth and depth to stimulate a life-time of study.
---Donna66 on 3/6/11


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Philomena, at what time is the gospel taught during Mass? When they stand up? when they seat down, when they hear the bells for the making of the communion? How about when everyone opens their Bibles? I forgot only about two or three have a Bible. When the priest tells a story for thirty minutes after reading a passage and never giving the context of that passage? When everyone shakes hands? During the communion? When they sing a song? After the song? All this in one hour. Where is the gospel?
---Mark_V. on 3/6/11


\\The gospel is not read at Mass.\\

Apparently you know absolutely nothing about Roman Catholic liturgical practices.

A casual glance at ANY Roman Catholic missal--even those before Vatican II--will show not only a reading from the Gospel but at least one other Scripture reading each day at Mass, as well as verses of Scripture (usually Psalms) used as Introits and other hymns.

\\ Jesus did not promise "us" a church, we are the "Church."\\

What part of Jesus's words in the Gospels, "I will build MY Church" is not in your Bible?
---Cluny on 3/5/11


"The gospel is not read at Mass." MarkV

From your responses, it is clear that you do not have an understanding of the Catholic Church or the Mass. Please do not continue to write mis-truths. It adds to the misunderstanding of the Catholic Church and does a great disservice to those who read your words. If you would like to know what is read at Mass each day, the readings are online on many Catholic websites. After you read these readings, perhaps you can tell me how the gospel is not read at Mass.
---Philomena on 3/5/11


Pilomena, for many years the apostles taught the Church all that God was revealing to them, and the Church accepted their teachings. The Church had every confidence that what the apostles taught them was indeed the will of God. Like the prophets before them, they too would die, but God had taken steps to ensure that His message would always be available. The Holy Spirit guided the apostles to record God's will in the Scriptures, and the Church accepted their writings. The RCC did not create the Truth. God created the Truth. The claim also that the RCC gave us the Bible cannot be sustained, God gave us the Bible. The Church is a servant and not the mistress, a depository and not a judge.
---Mark_V. on 3/6/11


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The idea of people studying scriptures " for themselves" sounds like a noble endeavor, but the reality is that if you have been to a church for a while, you are already influenced by what you have been taught, and when you read or study the scriptures MOST of your influence is towards what you have already been taught.
SO you may study ALONE, but the incluence of what you have been taught remains.

in other words you are already biased towards sone doctrines, and when you study ALONE which is what is meant by for yourself, the MOST people cannot see any thing different from what they have been taught.
---francis on 3/6/11


\\"The only reason you have a Bible now is because of the reformers."\\

You actually think that the Bible didn't come before the Reformers, MarkV?

There was a German translation of the Bible before Luther.

And the Roman Catholic Douay/Rheims Bible predates the KJV.
---Cluny on 3/6/11


Yes the congregation I am with encourages this, other ones I attended did not. they said "the pastor knows more because he went to school" or "it's church tradition for the past 100+yrs so we stick with it" those ideas are not always the correct ones.
---Candice on 3/6/11


MarkV - Jesus never promised us a Bible?
LUKE 4:4 But JESUS answered him,saying It is written,Man shall not live by bread alone,but by every word of GOD. ( Now of coarse this does not say Bible,But Christ knew the prophet were writing on scrolls and how they end up)
---RICHARDC on 3/6/11


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I agree with Donna 2/14. Great response.

Here are two books that will help someone to better understand Biblical times.

"Living in the Time of Jesus of Nazareth," by Peter Connolly.

"The New Manners and Customs of Bible Times," by Ralph Gower.

People may be able to find these at an online bookstore.
---Rod4Him on 3/6/11


Pilomema, I said,

"The only reason you have a Bible now is because of the reformers." You said:
"How do you figure that? The Catholic Church defined the New Testament somewhere around the year 300" The church did not define the New Testament, they accepted what was already Truth. I said: "The only reason "you" have a bible now," you were not around the year 300.
Third, you said,
. The Church made sure the faithful were able to HEAR the Bible read by reading it at each daily Mass. Jesus never promised us a Bible. He promised us a Church." The gospel is not read at Mass. Jesus did not promise "us" a church, we are the "Church."
---Mark_V. on 3/5/11


"The early Christians could not read the Bible since the Church didn't want anyone to read it." MarkV

They could not read the Bible first, because only about 10% of the population was literate. Second, because the Bible would have cost about 3 years wages to have one. It would have been huge because each page was laboriously copied onto velum, the skin of an animal, one was used for each page of the Bible. The Church made sure the faithful were able to HEAR the Bible read by reading it at each daily Mass. Jesus never promised us a Bible. He promised us a Church. Today around the world the same scripture readings are read at each Catholic Church!
---Philomena on 3/5/11


"The only reason you have a Bible now is because of the reformers." MarkV

How do you figure that? The Catholic Church defined the New Testament somewhere around the year 300 and monks copied the Bible over and over for centuries until the printing press was made. The Gutenberg Bible (Latin translation of the Catholic Bible) was the first book that was printed on the printing press (invented about 1450) - which was years before the reformation!
---Philomena on 3/5/11


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Pilomena, you said,

"It seems like everyone wants to translate the Bible for themselves. What did the early Christians do when they didn't have that Bible to carry under their arm?"

The early Christians could not read the Bible since the Church didn't want anyone to read it. They wanted to be the only ones to interpret Scripture. If the Pope said something was from God everyone had to believe it even if it wasn't. When the Bible was made available to everyone the RCC begin burning Bible and those who wrote it. People were forced to convert. Just look at what they did all over the world.
The only reason you have a Bible now is because of the reformers. People that came from the RCC.
---Mark_V. on 3/5/11


\\Do they encourage people to take time to study scripture for themselves? ACTS 17-11. Asking/answering the questions, WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY and to WHOM the SCRIPTURE IS WRITTEN?\\

Most "churches" don't teach this verse, as you can tell by some of the comments
---michael_e on 3/4/11


I'm curious why people don't want to know what was passed on to us from the apostles. It seems like everyone wants to translate the Bible for themselves. What did the early Christians do when they didn't have that Bible to carry under their arm?
---Philomena on 3/3/11


Blogger9211--
I STRONGLY agree with you about the need to become familiar with the liguistics, geography, customs of the day and history. But the average Bible reader doesn't know where or how to study these things. Ignorance of such factors have led to misunderstandings that get passed down from generation to generation without ever being questioned or corrected.

I'd like to see an easy-to- read history ( not everybody is a scholar) published to accompany every book of the Bible. (Maybe I'll write one)

But no way would you get me to burn my KJV. I just study other modern translations along with it.
---Donna66 on 2/14/11


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Yes, I agree, my Dad is a wise man. He'll be 74 this coming Sept. & he's been preaching God's Word for almost 50 years. He has always told people never take a man's word for what the Bible says, man is capable of lying, GOD IS NOT!! Man makes mistakes & misunderstands, GOD DOES NOT!! Read along & study the Word.
---Reba on 2/12/11


Besides knowing Who, What, When, Where, Why and to Whom the scripture was written. It is also imperative to know the linguistics of the original language,---Blogger9211 on 2/9/11

I would not burn the K.James. It does have some errors by men but the are mostly one study level deep. Strongs Concordance is linked to this Bible and makes the searching easier.
Burn rather the newer versions....except to prove why you would to someone else. They are tainted yet again of(translating) men's hands.
If one honors the prophets as witnesses, the Apostles, Christ and the the subjects they were dealing with....all supporting or non supporting commentary's,geography,etc,etc, are second,third and fourth etc in establishing truth.
---Trav on 2/10/11


My Dad pastors the church where I go. He has always told people to follow along in the Bible when it's being read. Never take a preachers or anyone else's word for what the scripture says. Read it yourself & make sure you're being taught the Word. ---Reba on 2/9/11

Your Dad is a wise man,guarding his soul,and others.
We all hear the statement: "you can take any scripture and make it say anything you want it too". I reply that yes it is done. But, not with me, NOW.
The Bible is it's own witness. It will always supply 2 or more witness'es in the form of a Prophet,Apostle,Christ or the subject.
Freeing us from all types of "wolves", "false Prophets", or doctrinal errors in ignorance.
---Trav on 2/10/11


Well, Rob . . . there are scholars who want to get out of what scriptures require. So, they look for certain scriptures to be meant only for certain people and a certain time. And they can decoy our attention to arguing issues, rather than how we need to mainly deal with the spiritual meaning of God's message. Much more attention is needed to the spiritual meaning which requires how to be holy in love for all people.
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/10/11


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I have been in the ministry for over 30 years, be a Christian and a church member for near 50 years. The churches I belonged to and ministered to are always encouraged to studey the word. I am human I will make mistakes. Trust the Holy Spirit not a person no matter how well educated.
---Harold on 2/9/11


wow, Elder, I would be afraid to even think about burning my Holy Word of God. I might burn the versions man wrote but certainly not what God wrote.
---shira3877 on 2/9/11


My husband who is a pastor tells people to check their Bibles for what he is teaching. He also uses a lot of scripture while preaching and suggests that all follow along in their own Bibles.
---KarenD on 2/9/11


in the small fellowship I am with the answer is yes. We read the daily scripture verse & then the whole scripture taking turns with the verses reading aloud, then we ask questions if we donot understand the chapter.
---candice on 2/9/11


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We are very much encourated to study the scripture in my church. SDA. My pastor recently spoke on the joy of seeing a bible that is well marked and well read.

He spoke recently on the importance of knowing why we believe what we do. So that the devil cannot fool us.

I encourage my Sabbath school class to read and study the Bible passages in our lessons.
---Samuel on 2/9/11


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---Elder on 2/9/11
---mima on 2/9/11


My Dad pastors the church where I go. He has always told the people to follow along in the Bible when it's being read. Never take a preachers or anyone else's word for what the scripture says. Read it yourself & make sure you're being taught the Word. If someone encourages you to not bother looking the scripture up to follow along, then that person could possibly have something to hide.
---Reba on 2/9/11


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