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Two Main Rivers In Israel

In Genesis 15:18-21 The Lord only specified the northern and southern boundaries of the Promised Land by naming 2 rivers. Can you name these two rivers?

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mimi the way you worded your blog was confusing, you should have asked about the eastern part, not the northern or southern boundaries.
---Lea on 2/16/11


The eastern boundary is a Little River called "the river of Egypt". Years ago studying this question(I just couldn't figure it out) I resorted to all the maps I could find of Egypt. And then sure enough I found one that had the Little River on it.
---mima on 2/15/11


ok mimi since you say the Nile is not one of the Two What is the names of the Two rivers?
---Lea on 2/14/11


Mima #... Don't tease us!

Which is the eastern river, if it is not the nile?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/14/11


I agree with---Elder. I have never heard the story of the two rivers being representative of two world powers. Here's a helpful in about this question. The Nile River is not one of the two!!!
---mima on 2/14/11




\\Cluny ... no not meaningless, in the context of the whole verse:

When we've been there ten thousand years...
bright shining as the sun,
We've no less days to sing God's praise...
than when we'd first begun

That is saying we will be in eternal praise\\

This is precisely my point.

Eternal means OUTSIDE OF TIME, not unending, though some people think it means that.

Eternity is a quality of God Himself. It's the kind of life He has that He wishes to bestow upon us.
---Cluny on 2/14/11


Lea, thanks for trying but I don't see the rivers as being used as representative of the two great world-powers.
The rivers are boundries/reference points.
But it is good that you at least study.
---Elder on 2/13/11


Elder i think after i did some research that the 2 world powers in that time of Israel was David and his (son) Solomon, for after King Solomon died God turned his face from this nation, Genesis 15:18 land promise was fullfilled by King Solomon. In 1 Kings 4:21 the inspired narrative declares: "And Solomon ruled over all the kingdoms from the River unto the land of the Philistines, and unto the border of Egypt: they brought tribute, and served Solomon all the days of his life."
---Lea on 2/12/11


The reference to 10,000 in "Amazing Grace" is the future in heaven, not to the past

Lovely hymn though, don't you think?

---alan8566_of_uk on 2/12/11

Sure, it's a lovely hymn.

And the story of John Newton's life -- the song's author -- is a GREAT testimony of what GOD can do in a person's life!

John Newton's church was in England. Your homeland.
---Sag on 2/12/11


Elder i just came online and have to go to work , when i get the time i will try to answer your question but the blog was referring to the 2 rivers{which i answered}. Have a Blessed Day........later gators
---Lea on 2/12/11




Cluny ... no not meaningless, in the context of the whole verse:

When we've been there ten thousand years...
bright shining as the sun,
We've no less days to sing God's praise...
than when we'd first begun


That is saying we will be in eternal praise

It is interesting that verse was not in John Newton's original hymn.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/12/11


\\The hymn "Amazing Grace" mentions 10,000 years.

MORE than 6,000 but LESS than 1 million.
---Sag on 2/12/11\\

The hymn is also taking about something in the future, too.

Of course, then, we will not be living in time, so "10,000 years" is actually meaningless.
---Cluny on 2/12/11


saq ,,, the reference to 10,000 in "Amazing Grace" is the future in heaven, not to the past

Lovely hymn though, don't you think?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/12/11


You mean you don't believe the world is only little more than 6,000 years old.
---Cluny on 2/11/11

The hymn "Amazing Grace" mentions 10,000 years.

MORE than 6,000 but LESS than 1 million.
---Sag on 2/12/11


Lea, you have still not answered the question of your statement of the rivers being used as representative of the two great world-powers.
---Elder on 2/12/11


\\ Studies have shown that the River (Iteru, meaning, simply, River, as the Egyptians called it) gradually changed its location and size over millions of years.\\

You mean you don't believe the world is only little more than 6,000 years old, Lea? >wink<
---Cluny on 2/11/11


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here you go Elder

The Nile is the longest river in the world, stretching north for approximately 4,000 miles from East Africa to the Mediterranean. Studies have shown that the River (Iteru, meaning, simply, River, as the Egyptians called it) gradually changed its location and size over millions of years. The Nile flows from the mountains in the south to the Mediterranean in the north. Egyptians traveling to other lands would comment on the "wrong" flow of other rivers. For example, a text of Tuthmosis I in Nubia describes the great Euphrates river as the "inverted water that goes downstream in going upstream."
---Lea on 2/11/11


{Continued}Three rivers flowed into the Nile from the south and thus served as its sources: the Blue Nile, the White Nile and the Arbara. Within the southern section between Aswan and Khartoum, land which was called Nubia, the River passes through formations of hard igneous rock, resulting in a series of rapids, or cataracts, which form a natural boundary to the south. Between the first and second cataracts lay Lower Nubia, and between the second and sixth cataracts lay upper Nubia.



Along most of its length through Egypt, the Nile has scoured a deep, wide gorge in the desert plateau.
---Lea on 2/11/11


Jesus Christ taught through Paul: Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace, to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed, not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all...Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

that is scripture enough for me to agree with Cluny.
---aka on 2/11/11


\\Do the Jews have any more rights over (say) the land now known as Israel, and the West Banks that the state of Israel claims, than the other descendants of Abraham?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/11/11\\

Considering that the modern state of Israel was founded by European settlers trampling on the rights and stealing the land of CHRISTIANS who had lived there for centuries since the time of the Apostles, I have some definite opinions about that.

I know several who were so dispossessed myself.
---Cluny on 2/11/11


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Children ! try and stay on the subject that was posted ok ! you fight and scratch over every little wrong or mistake another does, try and show some Grace !
---Lea on 2/11/11


Don't forget that Romans as well as Christ Himself in the Gospels teach that Abraham's true descendants are those who have his FAITH, and not merely those who are biologically descended from him.
---Cluny on 2/10/11

I do not agree with this statement, that Christ taught that all believers would be considered the true decendants of Abraham.

Please include your Scriptural references.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/11/11


"These two streams are here used as representative of the two great world-powers between which Israel should dwell."
Lea
Com'on now, Please tell us how you have come to this determination.
---Elder on 2/11/11


Cluny ... Well that would make that part of the world very crowded if we all laid claim to our rights.

How does this all fit in with the present continuing disputes in the Middle East.

Do the Jews have any more rights over (say) the land now known as Israel, and the West Banks that the state of Israel claims, than the other descendants of Abraham?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/11/11


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\\It was promised to Abraham's descendants ... not just to Isaac and Jacob's line.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/10/11\\

Don't forget that Romans as well as Christ Himself in the Gospels teach that Abraham's true descendants are those who have his FAITH, and not merely those who are biologically descended from him.
---Cluny on 2/10/11


In Genesis 15:18, the limits are said to extend from the Nile to the Euphrates. These two streams are here used as representative of the two great world-powers between which Israel should dwell.
---Lea on 2/10/11


Well, He named the Eurphates, but the "Egyptian river" is not nameed.

I am sure you will tell us which river it was.

Whatever the eastern boundary was, this "promised land" was an enormous area, including what is now Iraq.

It was promised to Abraham's descendants ... not just to Isaac and Jacob's line.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/10/11


no, because the rives that i reference are east-west rivers...the Euphrates and a branch of the Nile that does not exist anymore.
---aka on 2/10/11


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