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These jews will populate the millenium with other gentiles also
---glen on 10/21/11

Judah/jews are 1/12th of Israel.
Jer 2:4
Hear ye the word of the LORD, O house of Jacob, and all the families of the house of Israel:
Eze 36:10-26 A new heart also will I give you, a new spirit will I put within you: I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, I will give you an heart of flesh.
(A witness to Heb 8:10)
Eze 37:19 ..Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, they shall be one in mine hand.
---Trav on 10/24/11


ZECH 13:8 And it hath come to pass, In all the land, an affirmation of Jehovah, Two parts in it are cut off -- they expire, And the third is left in it.
ZECH 13:9 And I have brought the third into fire, And refined them like a refining of silver, And have tried them like a trying of gold, It doth call in My name, and I answer it, I have said, `My people it `is',' And it saith, `Jehovah `is' my God!'

the remaining remnant (all israel) is saved
---glen on 10/21/11


Mark v

The bible gives us the answer

It refers to the remaining survivors of Israel

zech 12
10 And I have poured on the house of David, And on the inhabitant of Jerusalem, A spirit of grace and supplications, And they have looked unto Me whom they pierced, And they have mourned over it, Like a mourning over the only one, And they have been in bitterness for it, Like a bitterness over the first-born. 11 In that day, great is the mourning of Jerusalem, As the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon, 12 And mourned hath the land -- every family apart, The family of the house of David apart, And their women apart,.......... 14 All the families that are left, Every family apart, and their women apart!
---glen on 10/21/11


1 In that day there is a fountain opened To the house of David And to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, For sin and for impurity.

these are "unchanged" jews who miss the rapture but are forgiven when christ comes back as i previously described, if they were raptured then a fountain for sin would not be necessary

They immediately repent when christ comes back

These jews will populate the millenium with other gentiles also
---glen on 10/21/11


So who are these people, all Israel?
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11

Here's my unfinished understanding.
First we know Israel..chosen as wife, (ruling with El). Was divorced....in part. 10 Parts=Northern House.
GOD would remarry(Hosea). GOD can't break marriage law. Wife must be widowed.
Christ death..
Judah/Benj also released. Now the whole house, two sticks can be one Eze 37.
Gentiles...is Latin. Originally meant not of Rome. R choices in translation...research them. Ethnos, nations etc. Use the OT for context witnesses.
Others than Israel? They are in scripture also.
Look at it primarily...do we have one wife? Or are all women our wives. It is a position. Of honor.
---Trav on 10/21/11




//So who is "all Israel?"
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11//
You don't think you are do you?
---michael_e on 10/20/11

Whether one is or one isn't doesn't change what GOD has said and done, and will do.

Christ of Israel showed what "All" Israel's heart should be.
He healed the blind,leper and sick. He fed the poor and raised the dead. Whipped the men money corrupted. Ruler and servant.
Israel is a servant. Is a servant greater than anyone?
He healed a womans daughter he called a dog. If I'm a dog, I want to be the best sheep dog in the kennel. Will I get a Treat? Or should I kill/ignore his sheep? And die a dumb dog.
If a sheep, then the sheepiest sheep in the pasture. A ram?
---Trav on 10/20/11


Trav, you gave Amos 9:9 but didn't tell me who this people are. Are they people who reject Christ? Or they only Israelites? If you go to (Acts 15: 15,16,17) It says "And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
"After this I will return. And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down. I will set it up, So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, Says the Lord who does all these things"
Here we see that first, "Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name" Seems here we have all kinds of people. And only those who will seek the Lord. And many do not seek Him. So who are these people, all Israel?
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11


//So who is "all Israel?"
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11//
You don't think you are do you?
---michael_e on 10/20/11


They rejected Obeying God. And have ever since. So who is "all Israel?"
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11

Verse tells, a kingdom of priest....a separate, Holy nation.
Disobeyed his first. Embraced his last.
R scattered....GOD won't lose a grain.
Amos 9:9
For, lo, I will command, I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

Haggai 2:3Who is left among you that saw this house in her first glory? how do ye see it now? is it not in your eyes in comparison of it as nothing?

9 glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: in this place will I give peace, saith LORD of hosts.
---Trav on 10/20/11


I hear many mention "all Israel" will be saved, yet not one says who these people are. The Israel from Jacobs time, those Israelites through history, or those Israelites at the end of the age, and whether this Israel includes people who reject Christ also? Much talk, but no Scripture.
Here is what God said,
"Now therefore "if" you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people, for all the earth is Mine. "And" you shall be to Me a Kingdom of priest and a "holy nation." (Exo. 19:5,6).
And guess what? They rejected Obeying God. And have ever since. So who is "all Israel?"
---Mark_V. on 10/20/11




Glen, even Martin Luther recognized the Book of Revelation was not scriptural, and refused to include it his German translation of the New Testament, it was simply an appendage in the back of his translation. The Apostle John wrote the Gospel of John. John the Elder wrote the three Letters of John [Eusebius Pamphilious 314 CE, the bishop of Caesarea confirms this] Revelations was written by an unknown Palestinian who could not write proper Greek grammar. The text has all the characteristics of Apocalyptic Pseudepigpha so common to 1st - 3rd century CE. The Greek writing style and Greek vocabulary are inconsistent with that of the Apostle John.
---Blogger9211 on 10/19/11


The fullness of the gentiles is different and refers to the last gentile that comes into the church, and happens at the same time that the times of gentiles finishes

Israel is unblinded when christ returns, just after the last gentile is saved


For I do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, of this secret -- that ye may not be wise in your own conceits -- that hardness in part to Israel hath happened till the fulness of the nations may come in,

and so all Israel shall be saved, according as it hath been written, 'There shall come forth out of Sion he who is delivering, and he shall turn away impiety from Jacob,
---glen on 10/19/11


Blow ye a trumpet in Zion, And shout ye in My holy hill, Tremble do all inhabitants of the earth, For coming is the day of Jehovah, for it is near!
---glen on 10/19/11


times of gentiles refers to gentile rule and finishes when christ comes back, and smashes the image of gold,silver,bronze and iron

jerusalem trampled by gentiles until times of gentiles are fulfilled

jerusalem will be trampled for 42 months (rev 11)

obviously after the tribulation
---glen on 10/19/11


Rev 7:8 has Benjamin.
The one that is missing is Dan.
This may be the reason...
Jdg 18:1b ...and in those days the tribe of the Danites .....---micha8344 on 6/28/11

Micha may be onto something...I haven't looked at it. It was important for me to know that this collective nation has not disappeared like most modern doctrines teach. Scripture does not witness or teach this...so the preachery preachers and teachers either are liars or cannot see. Usually the latter. Truth is so much better and frees us from these types. Who continually attempt to affirm/measure their position and display cloudy witnesses, sheep should beware.
Proverbs 25:14
Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.
---Trav on 6/29/11


Rev 7:8 has Benjamin.
The one that is missing is Dan.
This may be the reason...
Jdg 18:1b ...and in those days the tribe of the Danites sought them an inheritance to dwell in, for unto that day [all their] inheritance had not fallen unto them among the tribes of Israel.
Jdg 18:28a,30-31 And [there was] no deliverer, because it [was] far from Zidon, and they had no business with [any] man...And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land. And they set them up Micah's graven image, which he made, all the time that the house of God was in Shiloh.
---micha8344 on 6/28/11


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can anyone tell me why the Tribe of Benjamin was not included in the 144,000 that Revelation 7 speaks of?
---KIMBERLI on 6/28/11


Trav, ... Where can I get more literature about it?
---willa5568 on 6/26/11

GOD/Christ/Prophets/Apostles witnessing scriptures. There are Thirteen nationals, (Ephraim/Manasseh treated as one) Compare/research/list. Throw all man tainted doctrine in trash.
All Prophets detail who GOD separated, Married, Put away/divorced. All covenants deal only with this people. All New Covenants are too this "Servant" former wife/widow and bride to be people.
Laws in their Hearts and Minds, blessings and servitude attitude mark this bride to be.
Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31.
Psalm 108:8
Gilead is mine, Manasseh is mine, Ephraim also is the strength of mine head, Judah is my lawgiver,
---Trav on 6/28/11


Trav,

where exactly do you get the 10 tribe teaching from? Where can I get more literature about it?
---willa5568 on 6/26/11


//---mima on 6/22/11 Many Bible scholars believe..//

Have you ever done a study of it yourself?
---michael_e on 6/26/11


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Many Bible scholars believe the time the Gentiles began in 70 A.D., when the Romans wrecked and raped Jerusalem. Those same scholars believe that the time of the Gentiles will cease when the Jewish sacrificial worshiping begins again in the rebuilt Jewish temple.
---mima on 6/22/11


this thread seems to be getting a bit off topic

what is the times of the gentiles?

when does it start and finish?

i do not know precisely when it starts but i think i know when it ends

rev 11 - they (gentiles) shall trample the holy city for 42 months

there is debate whether this means literal jerusalem or the saints

but the bottom line seems to be that the time of gentiles ends after the 42 month reign of the beast

agreed?

if not why?
---glen on 6/22/11


Israel rejects God the Father in the OT.
Israel rejects God the Son in the Gospels
Israel rejects God the Holy Spirit in the book of Acts. ---michael_e on 6/21/11

Michael_e, you're correct...except in understanding which house of Israel is being addressed or referred to.

The largest part of Israel...the Northern House of ten....by divorce lost their name Israel.
Judah is who you are referring to above.....and they never,ever equal "All" of Israel.

The "Lost Sheep" nations of the Nth House are the accepting party. They were lost....Judah wasn't.
Matt 10:6/15:24. All prophets documented testimoney, Moses,David etc. Which, would one pick to go against first?
---Trav on 6/22/11


Israel rejects God the Father in the OT.
Israel rejects God the Son in the Gospels
Israel rejects God the Holy Spirit in the book of Acts.
God raises Paul the apostle to the Gentiles, and sends him with a new and different gospel, the gospel of the grace of God, not the gospel of the kingdom given to Peter and the 11.

Paul continues to plead with Israel to come to Christ under his gospel message. This message too is rejected three times.

One: Acts 13:
Two: Acts 18:6
Three: Acts 28:28
---michael_e on 6/21/11


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Was Pentecost the start of something new...the church? No! It was God giving Israel a second chance in answer to His Son's prayer for their forgiveness.
---michael_e on 6/11/11

Like all of us we have been taught that Judah/jews equal all Israel. Not true. Not gospel.
The largest portion lost this name "Israel" when they were put away, divorced. The Northern House of Israel. Christ's death made their marriage renewable. Ten Virgins, etc representing the "Lost Sheep of the House of Israel".
They readily accepted christ....and still do when found. If you aren't a lost sheep of Israel...you're a recipient seeking in behalf of their apostleship.
---Trav on 6/20/11


//---Mark_V. on 6/17/11//
saved without faith, I had never heard that one before.
btw,

Paul said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved" (Acts 16:31).
what did Peter say? "Repent and be baptized..." (Acts2:38).
Acts 3:19 when were their sins to be forgiven?

still not the same
---michael_e on 6/18/11


Michael e, Eph 2:8,9 does not teach we are saved by faith, but that we are "saved by Grace through faith." Paul offen says that we are saved "through faith" (that is as the instrumental cause), but never once does he say that we are saved "on account of" faith (that is, as the meritorious cause).
Romans 4:4 does not teach that faith saves, but that faith is accounted to him for righteousness. As the passages teaches, that righteousness is from God for it says,
"Just as David also describes the blessedness of the man "to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works"
---Mark_V. on 6/17/11


Paul said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved" (Acts 16:31).
what did Peter say? "Repent and be baptized..." (Acts2:38).
Acts 3:19 when were sins they forgiven?

Our message is, we are saved by faith + 0 (Romans 4:4, Eph. 2:8-9).
Peter was preaching God's message to Israel, and it included water baptism as a requirement for salvation.
What about after water baptism? Acts2: 42-47)
sold all possessions.
As the Lord commandmanded the disciples (Luke 14:33), and they taught the new disciples "all that the Lord had commanded them" (Mt 28:19-20).
If the body of begin at Pentecost, were not obeying the Pentecostal message unless we have sold everything. (Acts 4:32-37).
---michael_e on 6/14/11


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//Jesheradan, you gave an opinion yet didn't provide Scripture to proof what you said is Truth. You talked about limited atonement, and said.
"They sin they perish for is rejecting the Savior." //Mark_V

Did you even read the entire post I made?

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.


Even false prophets have been "bought" by the Lord, yet they deny Him.

Im beginning to think its some kind of insult when you type jEsheradan repeatedly. Its an "A" ok, Nark? Thanks
---Jasheradan on 6/14/11


Acts 9:15 when paul was sent to the gentiles, with the beginning of the Church, the body of Christ.
---michael_e on 6/13/11

No michael_e, it was the beginning of the Gentiles being added to the Church apart from a few like Cornelius, who by the way was led to Christ by a JEW. So did Cornelius a gentile belong to a Gentile Church or a Jewish Church, or was there 2 Churches with both Jew and Gentile in each. Oh my, how did those guys keep up with such things.

So witnesses went around and asked before witnessing to anyone...Tell me sir, are you of Paul's Church, or of Peter's Church. We need to know so we don't confuse you with an alternate Gospel.

Can you show us any scripture where this happened?
---kathr4453 on 6/14/11


Michael e, I don't know what Bible you are reading but you are missing a lot. You said,
"Acts 9:15 when paul was sent to the gentiles, with the beginning of the Church, the body of Christ"
You are so wrong. Even in chapter 8:1-3 in Acts, the Word of God tells us that Paul who was not yet a Christians was one of those persecuting the Church. (v.3) says,
"As for Saul, he made havoc of the Church, entering every house, and dragging off men and woman, commiting them to prison"
As I said, I don't know what Bible you are reading or from where you get your information from, but you need to read the whole context.
---Mark_V. on 6/14/11


Acts 9:15 when paul was sent to the gentiles, with the beginning of the Church, the body of Christ.
---michael_e on 6/13/11


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Good points Mark V

The early Christians fled when the saw the Roman armies approaching knowing this was the coming prince.

It is only since the 1800's that some say they were wrong. But following the instruction of JESUS in 70 AD saved their lives.

The Rapture is the Second Coming for it is at the Second coming when the dead in Christ rise.
---Samuel on 6/10/11


Something big must happen first.
---Mark_V. on 6/10/11

Let me start by saying I never said anything about the AntiChrist. All I mentioned was the AofD. The AofD is a definite item, described by Christ and by Paul, in 2 Thes 2. Call him whatever you want, he will definitely be on the scene.

I see the Daniel prophecy's focus on the Jewish people and Jerusalem, not on the Messiah. The prophecy was to answer Daniel's plea to know what would happen to them after the 70 years were completed.

As I have said before, I do not believe in two separate events around Christ's return, a Rapture and a Return. I see only one event. One Return of Christ, but not at the end of the Tribulation, at the beginning.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/10/11


a common misreading of thess.2 is to read Jesus returning after the falling away and the man of sin revealed and confuse that with the earlier "catching away" of the rapture...different timings and events...
---richard on 6/10/11


Mark E. thank you for your response. I enjoy talking about the ends times very much. I do have to agree with francis on this matter. I find no antichrist in the passage of 26 or 27 of Daniel. Unless we assume something not there. Now 2 Thess. 2"1-3 does mention the man of sin, the son of perdition" Paul's message to the Thessalonians was that "the day of Christ" was not just around the corner as they thought. Something big must happen first. That before Jesus Christ comes to "gather us" the falling away come first. and the antichrist must be revealed. Therefore, contrary to current popular opinion, it's antichrist first, and then the Church is "caught up" not the other way around.
---Mark_V. on 6/10/11


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Mark E, the prophecy's focus is the Messiah, not the antichrist. After the Messiah is "cut off" (refering to Christ death), the text says, "And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" This has been consistently applied to the destruction of Jerusalem and the second temple by Roman armies led by Prince Titus A.D. 70. Paul said "the Covenant" was "confirmed before by God in Christ" Gal. 3:17. After exactly three and a half years of holy ministry, Jesus died on the Cross. "In the midst of the week (in the middle of the seven years). At that exact moment of His death, "the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom" Matt. 27:51.
---Mark_V. on 6/10/11


The covenant to the hebrew people lasted one week,3 1/2 years bny Jesus, and was confirmed by Jesus. Mark 14:24 This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

It was continued by his apostles with the spirit of God for 3 1/2 years until the stoning of stephen.

Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard [him],

Hebrews 2:4 God also bearing [them] witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
---francis on 6/9/11


I was wondering what you have on this issue. Thanks.
---Mark_V. on 6/8/11

What I have is the previous verse:

Dan 9:26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing..."

If after the seven and sixty two weeks the Messiah is "cut off, cut down, destroyed, taken away, or permitted to perish" how can the Messiah do anything in that next week?

I am sorry, but the Messiah cannot be the subject of Daniel 9:27. The subject of that verse must be the person last spoken of, the prince who is to come.

Jesus himself also spoke about the "abomination of desolation" in Matt 24, warning the Apostles about such a time.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/9/11


The times of "times of the gentiles" Jesus made reference to has direct reference back to His prophet,Daniel. He declared these "times" should not be "fulfilled" until He should return. Hence these must have reference to some specifically stated times. Note that Daniel's vision for future believers described a period in which the people of God would become scattered upon the earth (Dan.12:7). Note also that the logic from chapters 7,8, 11:35 when compared with chapter 12, verse 7 and forward of this chapter, place their commencements with the commencement of the longer period of "2300 days" of Daniel 8:9-14 and also to the conclusive latter part of chapter 8. Now read Rev. chapters 11-13 to compare.
---harv on 6/8/11


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Mark E, about Daniel 9:27 . Which reads'
"He shall confirm the Covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.."
Isn't Jesus Christ the One "who confirmed the promises made to the fathers?" Rom. 15:8. this was speaking of "the Covenant" which applies to the New Covenant. And no where does the Bible teach that the antichrist makes, confirms, or breaks a covenant with anyone. Paul said, "the Covenant" was "confirmed before God in Christ" Gal. 3:17.
I was wondering what you have on this issue. Thanks.
---Mark_V. on 6/8/11


Thanks for that nugget of truth Mark! There are not going to be further end time revelations everything is sealed under the authority of Gods revealed word to us,it all depends on our rightfull interpretation of what is already written!...the "times of the Gentiles" refers to the church age that we are now in...
---richard on 6/8/11


...also because the "times of the gentiles" is up untill the end of the 42 months...this supports post-rapture believers during the tribulation,the vast majority/or all of which are matryed..
---richard on 6/8/11


I was looking for the reason those who believe that the Seventh weeks of Daniel were not over and how they arrived at their understanding.
---Samuel on 6/7/11

Here is the reason.

The purpose of the 70 weeks is:

Dan 9:24 "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place"

While most of these five things had been completed at the death of Jesus, sealing up vision and prophecy was not completed until John wrote The Revelation around 90 AD.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/7/11


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Dear Michael

I was looking for the reason those who believe that the Seventh weeks of Daniel were not over and how they arrived at their understanding.

That could not be found in the Bible.

Many have understandings about the Bible. I do not like to just say I disagree. I like to find out why they believe.

Sometimes I have been shown that I was mistaken and others times I came to understand the other person. Also it helps me to be sure what I believe and why.
---Samuel on 6/7/11


//Before the internet it took me three weeks of searching to find the answer.Samuel on 6/6/11//

You can find any answer, pro or con on the internet.
Try looking in the Bible
---michael_e on 6/6/11


Thank you Mark

Michael

You stated the Pastor's answer but with no reason why. Do you know the background on the Seventy weeks of Daniel. Most who support the Rapture do not know about this and many do not know the math involved to get it.

Before the internet it took me three weeks of searching to find the answer. Now you can do it in ten minutes if you actully take the time to find out the basis of the one week in the future.
---Samuel on 6/6/11


Samuel, again, great answer.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/11


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in all honesty i'm not sure when it began but the bible makes it vey clear when the times of gentiles finishes

after the 42 month trampling of jerusalem in the future, it will end, which means it will be after the tribulation
---glen on 6/5/11


//The time of the Gentiles started when the Jews rejected Christ and the Church was started. The time of the Gentiles is now. It will continue till the rapture.
---Pastor_Herb on 2/24/11//

worth repeating
---michael_e on 6/4/11


The Time of the gentiles is the time that started with the turning of Jews away from the messiah.

Some try to make the 70 weeks of Daniel not being over by coming up with fancy math and putting in a gap that is not called for and does not fit.

They make the time of the gentiles between the end of the 69 weeks and the future 70th week which will start with the rapture.

But since the 70 weeks are over this does not work. JESUS died in the midst of the Sevetieth week just as the prophecy states and the Jews were rejected when the 70th week ended.

The times of the Gentiles ends at the Second Coming Which is spoken of in Matt 24 and I thess 4. Same event.
---Samuel on 5/31/11


the only one that has it right is kath

LK 21:24 and they shall fall by the mouth of the sword, and shall be led captive to all the nations, and *Jerusalem shall be trodden down by nations, till the times of nations be fulfilled.*

when?

REV 11:2 and the court that is without the sanctuary leave out, and thou mayest not measure it, because it was given to the nations, and the *holy city they shall tread down forty-two months,*

after the 42 month reign of the beast, the times of nations is finished
---glen on 5/31/11


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//The time of the Gentiles started when the Jews rejected Christ and the Church was started. The time of the Gentiles is now. It will continue till the rapture.
---Pastor_Herb on 2/24/11 //
very well put
---michael_e on 2/26/11


The time of the Gentiles started when the Jews rejected Christ and the Church was started. The time of the Gentiles is now. It will continue till the rapture.
---Pastor_Herb on 2/24/11

You could say it that way and be correct. The Church "Eklesia" is the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel....the ten virgin nations. The previously divorced "ethnos" of the Nth House of Israel.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
---Trav on 2/25/11


The time of the Gentiles started when the Jews rejected Christ and the Church was started. The time of the Gentiles is now. It will continue till the rapture.
---Pastor_Herb on 2/24/11


The Times of the Gentiles began with the Babylonian captivity of Judah, under Nebuchadnezzar, and will be brought to an end by the destruction of Gentile worldpower by the "stone cut out without hands" ***Dan 2:34, 35, 44, the coming of the Lord in glory **Zechariah 12-14, *Rev 19:11, 21, Luke 21:24.

The fullness of the Gentiles refers to the blindness of Israel. Romans 11, and will be unblinded when the fullness of the Gentiles is come in. Come in to where? To the body of Christ (the Church).
---kathr4453 on 2/24/11


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Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile,

Romans 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

Having brought salvation to the jews first, now is th etime of the gentiles
---francis on 2/24/11


we are in the times of the gentiles
---mikeO on 2/22/11

If we used the original words would expand the view, a little.
The word gentile is Latin, from the Latin Vulgate translation. It was a Roman Church thing,in their use an application it meant "not of Rome".
Translators, substituted "gentiles/Ethnos"
They subtituted "gentiles" for "Hellens" many times. More especially in Romans.

Two different words/meanings....to promote a belief it appears.

We are in the times of the "Ethnos"?

Which one? Or ones?
---Trav on 2/24/11


we are in the times of the gentiles
---mikeO on 2/22/11


Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a NEW NAME, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to RAISE up the tribes of Jacob, and to RESTORE the preserved of Israel: I will also give THEE for a LIGHT to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
---francis on 2/17/11

You've come far Pilgrim...(Jeremiah Johnson).

I hope Donna see's your post too.
Matthew 10:23
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
---Trav on 2/21/11


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TIMES of the gentiles is the time when every gentile will have heard the Gospel.

Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
---francis on 2/17/11


//---kathr4453 on 2/16/11
1.The Time of the Gentiles
and 2. The fullness of the Gentiles.//

please expain the difference
---michael_e on 2/17/11


Im all ears, Kat and Mark_E
---CraigA on 2/16/11

First, I believe they are two different things but related to one phenomenon, the return of Israel to their land and their God.

First, the passage in Luke 21:24 the "times of the Gentiles" refers to Jerusalem and not the people. Secondly, Jerusalem is to be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, as it was from 70 AD until 1967. Thirdly, except for the Temple Mount, this passage has been fulfilled.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/17/11


Im all ears, Kat and Mark_E
---CraigA on 2/16/11


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TWO completely different subjects. Yet many inter-change these verses believing they mean the same thing.
---kathr4453 on 2/16/11

Great post. Simple truth but many miss it.

The phrase from the blog question comes from Luke 21 and is used by many to connect back to Romans 11. Yet in Luke, this is Christ speaking and He is referring back to one of the questions, when will the temple be torn down, when will you return, and when is the end of the ages.

The Luke passage is the destruction of the temple.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/16/11


Please understand the difference between:

1.The Time of the Gentiles

and

2. The fullness of the Gentiles.

TWO completely different subjects. Yet many inter-change these verses believing they mean the same thing.
---kathr4453 on 2/16/11


And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land.

And they set them up Micah's graven image, which he made, all the time that the house of God was in Shiloh.



Cut off... just like Ephraim
---CraigA on 2/16/11


What is the times of the Gentiles? Blog Question:


Gentiles a latin word, established by the (RC) is better translated "ethnos" nations and is mostly used in the New Covenant (testament) to the divorced Nth House of Israel who lost her married name as posted numerous times.
Judah having no notable cities then or now.... would have been gone over in 2000 years.
The statement refers to Lost Sheep Israel nations of 10....who have tens of thousands of cities.
Matthew 10:23
But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
---Trav on 2/16/11


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Now, and it will run out and Israel comes back to the Messiah and becomes the most powerful individual witnesses since the disciples. Israel suffers now under persecution and the veil while Gentiles have their time to come to the Lord. Unfortunately most Gentiles are wasting the opportunity.
---larry on 2/16/11


What happened to Dan?
---micha9344 on 2/15/11


That is 12000 out of each tribe
& there's 12 tribes = 144 thousand.
---Lawrence on 2/14/11

You called them all jews,Judeans.
This is common and is taught to us by ignornant/sloppy teachers of past and present generations.
There comes a time when we should get off this milk doctrine diet and if we care to be accurate.....research to the best or our ability.
Psalm 77:15
Thou hast with thine arm redeemed thy people, the sons of Jacob and Joseph. Selah.

Psalm 78:5
For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:
---Trav on 2/15/11


It is the limited amount of time afforded to those who have yet to come to a true knowledge or understanding of the Father's salvation plan through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus to be brought to that knowledge and given to embrace the opportunity of acknowledging and confessing His lordship.
---Josef on 2/15/11


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That is 12000 out of each tribe
& there's 12 tribes = 144 thousand.
---Lawrence on 2/14/11


Then He Will return to His First chosen people, the Jewish people, 144 thousand. ---Lawrence on 2/13/11

Really?? The Jewish people U say? The liars or the ones that don't? My Bible says Judah just makes up 1/12th.
The 4th scripture makes one thing very clear the word "all", and Rev 7:5-6-7-8, witness in detail:

Revelation 7:4
And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
---Trav on 2/14/11


When God shuts the door of His salvation to the gentiles. Then He Will return to His First chosen people, the Jewish people, 144 thousand.
---Lawrence on 2/13/11


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