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Can anyone provide and defend any scientific evidence whatsoever that should convince a Christian to accept Darwinian Evolution as a part of God's creation?

Moderator - I can't find any evidence to even convince a non-Christian to believe the children myth; I mean theory.

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Warwick - I'm confused because some people interprete the Bible one way and say no dinosaurs and other people inerprete it another way. The same with a flat earth - the Flat Earth Society swear the earth is flat because it's written that way in the Bible and other people (including me) say the earth is round. How come so many interpretations?
---cjmybad on 3/17/11


the bone of a giraff should not be mislabeled bone of imaginary dinosaur, and bone of elephant should not be mislabeled bone of imaginary dinosaur, and multiple bones of diverse anminals ought not to be assembled together to build an imaginary dinosaur. There are no physical evidences of dinosaurs, no photographs, no hieroglyphic images on cave walls, no historical literature n or writings recording dinosaurs, none, simply because they are nonexistant and only imaginary fantasies of the ignorant and unlearned. Let's get back to the Holy Bible people, and let's get back to the truth.
---Eloy on 3/16/11


cluny, I am reminded of a scientist who said that the world was flat, and if a person would walk to the very end then they would fall off, and another scientist who said that red tomatoes were a poisonous fruit. Did they advertise these lies in museums? probably. They still advertise similar lies in public schools of "Big Bangs" and "evolution", and advertise them in encyclopedias and dictionaries, and advertise them in hollywood movies, but when they come to the knowledge of the truth then they change their text books and museum displays to reflect the truth rather than known falsehood. I like museums that display the truth, and not fantasies.
---Eloy on 3/16/11


Peter I see no problem regarding dinosaurs, as a Bible-believing Christian. They, like numerous other creatures became extinct. I imagine most were wiped out by the flood, except those on the ark. And since then, like many other creatures, those which remained were hunted to extinction by humans. I imagine they could be very destructive and a good source of protein.

There is solid evidence that dinosaurs have existed at the same time as man. The fact that their bones have been found with blood cells and tissue (unfossilized) inside is evidence they lived within the last few thousand years. Likewise the frozen bones in Alaska.
---Warwick on 3/15/11


Cjmybad, but what did you mean when you said you were still confused?
---Warwick on 3/15/11




\\The fact is there is no bones which are larger than the known large animals, and imaginary dinosaurs and the like are mere lies from foolish minds of unregenerate and ignorant people.
---Eloy on 3/14/11\\

So, the articulated skeletons in museums are mere figments of people's imaginations?

I'm reminded of the story of a man who first saw a giraffe. "There ain't no such animal!"
---Cluny on 3/16/11


Donna: "is this supposed to support "evolution" rather than "creation"?"

No. Such tracks show that dinosaurs existed, and that they once walked in some mud - but say nothing of how they came into being.
---jerry6593 on 3/16/11


The 'dinosaur' bones (however old they are, that is a different matter) actually provide a problem for both beleivers (why did God create an animal and then wipe them out?) and for evolutionists (how can their age be demonstrated - the way their age is calculated is so filled with wierd assumptions..... that it is better just to take it that the bones are from something, but we don't know what!
---Peter on 3/15/11


Warwick, some people like Eloy say there are no such things as dinosaurs and I do believe I've there is enough evidence showing their were dinosaurs. And how do native people like Eskimos and Indians show 'white man' these things throughout history and get included in the coverup idea with evolutionist scientists?
---cjmybad on 3/15/11


If dinosaur bones and tracks exist (and I've seen dinosaur tracks with my own eyes--no elephant ever had feet like that!)-- is this supposed to support "evolution" rather than "creation"? Couldn't God have created dinosaurs like he did other animals?
---Donna66 on 3/14/11




Cjmybad, what exactly are you confused about?
---Warwick on 3/14/11


Warwick -I agree with you, there are just too many examples of large bones and I've heard of whole mammoths frozen in permafrost with flesh still frozen on the bones. I still can' imagine aborigines or native people lieing about the bones they found, they probably never heard of evolution or
God. I'm still confused :(
---cjmybad on 3/14/11


The fact is there is no bones which are larger than the known large animals, and imaginary dinosaurs and the like are mere lies from foolish minds of unregenerate and ignorant people.
---Eloy on 3/14/11


The whole dinosaur story has its share of wishful thinking, fraud and mistakes. Nonetheless the reality is that massive bones, including skulls, do exist and are totally different (and much, much larger) than the bones of any living creature. In comparison the largest elephant is small.

Interestingly, and in direct contradiction of the long-ages evolutionary story, dinosuar bones have been found unfossilized and containing fleshy parts. Others have been found frozen in North Alaska, some with ligaments attached.
---Warwick on 3/13/11


Jerry my experience shows some activist evolutionists do lie. However the vast majority are so indoctrinated in evolutionary idealogy they are not aware they are promoting lies. Others just keep their heads down, and play the game as they need their jobs.

My blog below regarding Richard Smalley describes quite a common event when a scientist is challenged to investigate evolution. In so many cases they come to understand it is a lie. This often opens their minds (as occurred to Smalley) to investigate Christianity free from humanistic doctrination.

And praise God for that!

But this leads to the question: Considering the above why does any Christian consider evolution a fact? Haven't thought it through maybe?
---Warwick on 3/13/11


Warwick: "It wasn't long ago that evolutionists claimed chimp and human DNA were 90+% the same."

Shocking!

The very thought that evolutionary "scientists" would LIE!!!!
---jerry6593 on 3/13/11


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I still don't know - I saw huge footprints at a state park in Conn. that a farmer uncovered while plowing his fields 100 years ago. They were much too big to be an elephant. There are hundreds of cases like this across the country. How can they not be from an animal such as a dinosaur?
---cjmybad on 3/13/11


peter, DNA testing, mass spectrometer, and other testing methods can place a bone in it's current scientific classification, although not always accurately due to contamination and information loss.
I do agree with Eloy though,
No one has ever found a bone to an 'imaginary' dinosaur.
Finding a bone to Dino would be quite impossible..:)
---micha9344 on 3/12/11


Eloy: 'No large bone found can be proven to be from an imaginary dinosaur'

Of coruse, this is true. But then again, we must accept that, in totally scientific terms, we can NEVER prove ANYTHING from the past

Of course, all the disosaur 'bones' may be dinosaur, or, perfectly well, they could be from something else. We can only try do guess what the chance is that they came from a large reptile, and how long ago it was
---Peter on 3/12/11


Recently David Page from the Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research in Cambridge Massachusetts completed sequencing of the chimpanzee Y chromosome. When he compared it to the Y human chromosome he proclaimed they are 'horrendously different from one another." Why "horrendously? Because as an evolutionist he believes chimps are our closest relatives! It wasn't long ago that evolutionists claimed chimp and human DNA were 90+% the same.

However his His research disclosed that they aren't! He says "the relationship between the human and chimp Y chromosome has been blown to pieces."

Another evolutionary fable 'bites the dust!'
---Warwick on 3/12/11


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"Enlighten me please - when did the dinosaurs walk the planet?
---cjmybad on 3/9/11"

Before the flood of Noah.


Eloy: Have you ever been to a museum of natural history? The bones are real and much too large to be elephants.
---jerry6593 on 3/12/11


The main thing about this controversy is How Christians sit back as say oh yea! and yet there is a direct attack spiritual warfare that is going on in the world and I have not heard one single church stand up for Christian values against this atrocity which has been put forward and religious education had been shelved.

What are we doing about this as Christians are your eyes so blind that from the responsibility of the role of the church in education was taken over by government, We now do not have a say in schools.

WAKE UP PEOPLe tHE ENEMY Is GaINING GROUND!
---Carla on 3/11/11


Richard Smalley M.A. Ph.D. was Hackman Professor of Chemistry, Physics and Astronomy at Rice University. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for his discovery of a totally new form of carbon which he named 'buckministerfullerenes, nicknamed 'buckyballs.'

Smalley grew up an evolutionist and sceptic of religion.

An intelligent design lecture caused him to reconsider evolution and he found it to be based upon flawed thinking, and bad science. This lead to his conversion to Christianity, coming to understand "Genesis was right."

If evolution was a proven fact he was in a perfect position to know. But he found what he had accepted by faith was not reality.
---Warwick on 3/11/11


No large bone found can be proven to be from an imaginary dinosaur, in fact since there never existed any dinasaurs it is 100% acceptable to reject any proposal that any large bone is an imaginary dinasaur's bone. More likely a large bone on the earth came from an pachyderm like an elephant, or from a bear, or similar animal. And joining together various bones from more than one different animals in order to build one imaginary creature from them is foolishness.
---Eloy on 3/11/11


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Do you think all the people that found dinosaur bones on their property and all the scientists all are lieing? I know Native Americans have shown others where there are cave markings and fossils in their territories out West.
Can they all be in on the coverup?
---jcmybad on 3/11/11


First I can argue for evolution but I will not. When I came to know JESUS I accepted the Bible above my old beliefs.

But Dinosaurs are real we have their bones. But fossils have to be generally killed and covered up by flood waters to exist in the first place.

Most people accept evolution because it replaces GOD. Others because Scientist say it is so. Kinda of like agreeing with something because the Priest said so.
---Samuel on 3/10/11


Rely on the source, view the comments to and replies to conflicting sources and discern for yourself which source is the most reliable.
Of course, the only 100% reliable source is God through His Word, but a certain amount of reliability must be ascribed to men, especially those who fall under the direction of the Holy Spirit. Do not be deceived.
2Ti 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
---micha9344 on 3/10/11


They only exist in imaginations and in fairy tales, along with loch ness monsters and sphinxes.
---Eloy on 3/10/11


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So what is it - they never existed or where they created on Day 6?
---cjmybad on 3/10/11


Nope. You will not find any valid physical evidence for imaginary ideas and for nonhistory and nonreality. Dinosaurs are produced in cartoons and in hollywood entertainment movies, they are not in real life.
---Eloy on 3/10/11


Dinosaurs are reptiles and were created on day 6 (land animals).
They had an average size of a sheep.
Some even walk today, although most have been hunted to extinction.
Those walking today include the gators/crocodiles and monitors/dragons.
Those being supposedly extinct include the ceratops, saurapods, and tyrantasaurs.
Some aquatic animals that were considered extinct for millions of years include celeocanths and meglamouth sharks.
---micha9344 on 3/9/11


Enlighten me please - when did the dinosaurs walk the planet?
---cjmybad on 3/9/11


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Carbon 14 dating is great! But only when measured using an Accelerator Mass Spectrometer (AMS) and not a Geiger counter. When measured in this (AMS) manner, ALL fossils on earth show the SAME age - the age of Noah's flood! This scientific finding alone destroys the entire concept of gradual evolution and upholds the Bible as scientifically accurate.

To adhere to Uncle Charlie's fantasy in the face of scientific evidence to the contrary is ignorant blind faith.
---jerry6593 on 3/9/11


We had a scientist speak at our church once and informed us of the results of a carbon-14 experiment they performed on a human femur bone that was 50 years decayed. It measured 15000 years old using C-14 dating.

At that moment he encouraged us all to do our research on C-14 dating to see the erroneous assumptions that are made when 'dating' things - just as Micha mentioned.
---CraigA on 3/9/11


What proponents of Carbon-14 dating do not tell you are the three assumptions that must be made to obtain so-called consistent results by this method.
1. The amount of carbon-12 and -14 in the item originally.
2. No contamination, nothing entered or exited, between the time of death or burial and the time it is being tested.
3. That the rate of decay remained constant through any temperature and/or pressure changes.
Simply setting a constant to these values does not an answer make.
These people prey on the ignorance of society to try to support naturalistic views of origins and timelines.
---micha9344 on 3/8/11


Carbon-14 dating. Look it up under how it works!
---Dave_Long on 3/8/11


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Jasheradan: 'We also know the earth is millions of years old'

Any proof, however much we want to feel different, depends on our pre-held beleifs - if you see a cat, but firmly beleive cats don't exist, you will not beleive you are seeing a cat

So the belief that cjmybad has would certainly not be elouhg for you, but it is for him.

I agree, of course, that he does not provide his evidence for us to see. carbon, uranium and other radioactive dating provide evidence with a big IF (there was a certain amout an the start, and that the earth was not created with a mixture of one and another isotope). The same goes for all proofs of the past
---Peter on 3/8/11


//We also know the earth is millions of years old//--cjmybad

How does science KNOW this?

I hope youre not referring to Carbon-14 dating.
---Jasheradan on 3/7/11


cjmybad, history shows Biblical Christianity has a very positive efect upon society. This has not come from human opinion, but from the effect God's absolute truth has upon people.

History shows that Science which gave us countless life-saving advances came from the Christian mind-set. As did universities, hospitals and organizations which care for the worlds unfortunates.

Satan is a lying sower of confusion and doubt who uses many techniques to undermine faith in the truth of Scripture. His first recorded words were-did God really say that? A very succesful tool of his has been to convince people that evolution, not Genesis is the true account of creation.


Let us therefore defend God's Truth and expose Satan's lies!
---Warwick on 3/7/11


Dear moderator. Your site's counting system is rather inaccurate. The system said my blog was 126 words. I deleted one-still 126. I deleted another-still 126. Another-still 126. And even another-still 126!

Maybe a little adjusting is in order!
---Warwick on 3/7/11


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Oh Cluny ..........

Again I challenge you to produce your very best scientific evidence that upholds your contention that Evolution - in any form - played a part in Creation.

If you can't produce it, why do you believe and defend it? That's what we call BLIND FAITH!
---jerry6593 on 3/6/11


I'm not trolling - I just found that proof on Flat Earth Society website, they are trying to convince us the world is flat. And we know that is not true. We also know the earth is millions of years old, some things are just facts not matter what any book says.
---cjmybad on 3/6/11


You know what - I wish I never sent my answers - I wish I sent this one instead.
Why don't intelligent, good people (like all of us) spend more time researching cures for disease, energy solutions, working on society problems like homelessness, child abuse etc. instead of argueing over things that don't help anyone or anything? We can believe what we want but we should be making the world a better place instead of fighting over stuff like this.
---cjmybad on 3/6/11


Actually I found that info by chance and it is considered proof from people who believe the world is flat and not round according to the bible. That is part of the scientific evidence they give - too funny isn't it?
---jcmybad on 3/5/11


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Darwinian didn't even believe his own theory at the end of his life.
---Pastor_Herb on 3/5/11


Science continually aspires to know everything yet can it explain how the planets hang in mid air, Earth at a specific angle to catch the suns rays to bring about seasons, night and day so ask um how does the does the earth continually spin????

A man wrote the bible yea for their(benefit)

and creationism is impossible because a man said so?


Yet Darwin is a man/monkey scientist claim we evolved from Monkey's Well I aspire to love the fact that I was wonderfully and fearfully made by Gods hands not come from a monkeys bowels ewh!!!

creation sounds a whole lot better. Histories older than darwin who is he anyway mearly a relatively younger MAN younger than the oldest man who first wrote the creation Story !!!!.
---Carla on 3/5/11


--For the person at the top of the world, (the North Pole), gravity is pulling him down, towards the South Pole.--

Cjmybad is "trolling" to get a rise out of everyone.

Kids in grade school know that gravity pulls us toward the center of the earth, not the south pole. Surely he/she knows that as well.
---CraigA on 3/5/11


"No other proof necessary"
---cjmybad on 3/3/11

Are you joking or do you wear a home made aluminum foil hat?
---jerry6593 on 3/5/11


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Here is scienific evidence from Flatearthers Society about proof the earth is flat -

Once again, picture in your mind a round world. Now imagine that there are two people on this world, one at each pole. For the person at the top of the world, (the North Pole), gravity is pulling him down, towards the South Pole. But for the person at the South Pole, shouldn't gravity pull him down as well? What keeps our person at the South Pole from falling completely off the face of the "globe"?

No other proof necessary
---cjmybad on 3/3/11


Harold: Exactly! It's called circular reasoning, and its laughable.
---jerry6593 on 3/4/11


Here is the scientific proof that the earth is flat:

Once again, picture in your mind a round world. Now imagine that there are two people on this world, one at each pole. For the person at the top of the world, (the North Pole), gravity is pulling him down, towards the South Pole. But for the person at the South Pole, shouldn't gravity pull him down as well? What keeps our person at the South Pole from falling completely off the face of the "globe"?

Scientific proof of evolution is seen in animals today it just takes a very time to see the changes.
---jcmybad on 3/4/11


Scientific reasoning. We know that this fossil is 25 million years old because that layer of soil was laid down then. We know that that layer is that old because the rocks in that layer are that old. We know that the rock are that old because the fossiles in that layer are that old.
that is the way they work.
---Harold on 3/2/11


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Oh Cluny ..............
---jerry6593 on 3/1/11


Trav: Your last post appears chaotic to me.
---jerry6593 on 2/28/11

It was. "Chaos" in CN "erets".
I won't gosodeep knowing your following the next time. Had to dig that deep level for Frenkiwi.
Proverbs 27:17
Iron sharpeneth iron, so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

---Trav on 2/28/11


Trav: Your last post appears chaotic to me.

I wonder why Cluny has become strangely silent.
---jerry6593 on 2/28/11


\\Whilst it might appear chaotic to us, I'd be more inclined to believe that it was indeed ordered.
---simon7348 on 2/17/11\\

Please notice the key words "look like chaos TO US."

Obviously, what we see is not the whole story.
---Cluny on 2/17/11

It is obvious that it would look like chaos to us.
I mean, i c it here look at post on the subject or any subject. Scriptural Chaos. Few supply defining scriptural answers/witnesses on any misunderstanding.....manchaos. GOD will sort it out.
1 Corinthians 1:19
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
---Trav on 2/25/11


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Cluny:

Again I challenge you to produce your very best scientific evidence that upholds your contention that Evolution - in any form - played a part in Creation.

If you can't produce it, why do you believe and defend it? That's what we call BLIND FAITH!
---jerry6593 on 2/23/11


Cluny, we are speaking of God's creation as recorded in Genesis 1. If it were not for God's word we would know nothing about His creation. Therefore when discussing His creating activities Genesis is our true, and only guide. So using His account please tell me where chaos is mentioned or even hinted at.
---Warwick on 2/19/11


Cluny: Ours is a God of order - not chaos. The record of Genesis outlines an orderly progression of the Creation. The Creation itself - from the structure of galaxies to the construction of our bodies to the minutest cell or atom - virtually shouts magnificent order.

Again I challenge you to produce your very best scientific evidence that upholds your contention that Evolution - in any form - played a part in Creation.
---jerry6593 on 2/19/11


'I'm sure that were we present at the initial moment of creation, it would have looked quite chaotic.'-Cluny on 2/16/11
Are you truly sure Cluny?
That God's commands weren't executed instantaneously just by His Word which proceded forth?
That there would still be time for chaos even though, unlike us, no thought came to the matter whether to obey or not?
Luke 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
Immediately?
Psalms 33:9 For he spake, and it was [done], he commanded, and it stood fast.
---micha9344 on 2/17/11


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\\Whilst it might appear chaotic to us, I'd be more inclined to believe that it was indeed ordered.
---simon7348 on 2/17/11\\

Please notice the key words "look like chaos TO US."

Obviously, what we see is not the whole story.
---Cluny on 2/17/11


I'm sure that were we present at the initial moment of creation, it would have looked quite chaotic.
---Cluny on 2/16/11


Whilst it might appear chaotic to us, I'd be more inclined to believe that it was indeed ordered.
---simon7348 on 2/17/11


Cluny: Again you attempt to harmonize secular theories of origin with the Bible, as: "It could fit" or "It might have happened this way" or "Maybe God used it". But you're still missing the point. WHY would you want to shoehorn such theories into scripture? What is the scientific evidence that compels you to make the attempt? There must be some reason other than "I want to blend the common with the sacred".
---jerry6593 on 2/17/11


\\I see nothing in Scripture about "order coming out of chaos."
---Warwick on 2/16/11 \\

I'm sure that were we present at the initial moment of creation, it would have looked quite chaotic.
---Cluny on 2/16/11


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I see nothing in Scripture about "order coming out of chaos."
---Warwick on 2/16/11

Amen and Amen.
---larry on 2/16/11


Cluny Genesis one describes the whole of creation coming out of nothing, not chaos. Obviously there was nothing material before God created it, and nothing is not chaos.

I see nothing in Scripture about "order coming out of chaos."
---Warwick on 2/16/11


I used to believe in Evolution. They have a lot of evidence. In part because they gloss over problems. But they have convince many that evolution is true. So the answer is yes since many do accept their viewpoint. More in Europe then in then here.
---Samuel on 2/16/11


\\ Their hilariously silly belief in a big bang without a cause for the bang is far below the threshold of science.\\

The Big Bang model and Genesis 1 both say the same thing: There was Nothing (in the created physical universe), and then there was Something.

But I believe the BB had a cause.

\\ And then the suggestion that choas created order eventually rising to the level of individual personality by chance is just plain stupid.\\

But Genesis 1 describes this very thing: order coming out of chaos.

And I don't believe it's by chance, or mindless randomness.
---Cluny on 2/16/11


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This is my opinion on evolution. Sorry you cannot change my mind.
Everything that is formed is creation Gen 1. Creation is not an event, creation continues to this day. God can see all of creation.
From human perspective it is called science. We (humans) are limited to the 5 senses to describe everything. We get to see a small portion of God's creation. Evolution is a science about how animals change. There are part of evolution that are correct and wrong. Remember science is created by humans.
---Scott on 2/16/11


Grant: We all hate the 125-word limit. But it is entirely sufficient for you to give at least a title to the evidence you consider convincing. (e.g. Radiometric Dating, Fossil Strata, Peppered Moths, etc.)
---jerry6593 on 2/16/11


NO Jerry, brother moderator is correct.
Evolution attempts to explain development but not origin. Their hilariously silly belief in a big bang without a cause for the bang is far below the threshold of science. And then the suggestion that choas created order eventually rising to the level of individual personality by chance is just plain stupid.
---larry on 2/16/11


Grant those who believe in evolution have been regularly asked to provide what they consider the best evidence for evolution, but we have received nothing.

I believe 125 words is enough to give a good outline of what constitutes evidence for Darwinian evolution. Come on have a go!
---Warwick on 2/15/11


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I agree with Warwick. That was a tad judgemental.
---CraigA on 2/15/11


I wrote a reply detailing a small portion of the evidence, then discovered replies were limitted to 125 words. That makes it quite impossible to discuss that evidence in anything approaching a meaningful way. We're talking about data that fills entire sections of libraries here. I'd direct you to go visit one of those instead if you want to learn the subject.
---Grant on 2/15/11


Christian Jerry definitely does not believe in evolution. He is asking is there any scientific evidence which would convince a Christian to accept evolution. He is thereby challenging Christians who believe in evolution to give reason why they do.
---Warwick on 2/15/11


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