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Pleasure Of Condemnation Sinners

Does it say anywhere in the Bible that God takes pleasure in the condemnation of sinners?

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Haz27-

DON'T TAKE SCRIPTURES OUT CONTEXT AND IGNORE OTHER SCRIPTURES.

Please tell us how was the Early Jews/Gentiles instructed in the Apostolic Faith if not by the Holy Apostles and there appointed Successors? Acts 6:6, 14:23, Acts 15:1-14, Acts 20:17,28, 1 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11, Philp 1:1, 1 Tim. 3:1, Titus 1:7, 1 Tim 5:22, 2 Tim 2:2, etc. Was not Saint John a teacher himself?

Taken in it's historical context (he was attacking Gnosticism, etc), he was referring to the fact that true believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and that in their Christmation, they are shown that Christ is God come in the flesh (c.f 4:2,15,5:1, 10) (they need not the "secret knowledge" of the Gnostics).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/1/11


"[Read] Col 2:8." (Haz27)

I did. Have you also read the ones about following in the Apostolic Tradition, as laid down by the Holy Apostolic and their immediate Successors? Or do you pick and choose which Scriptures to believe?

God sent men who have teaching authority within the Apostolic Church (Acts 13:1). Saint Paul recognized teachers as gifts of God to the Church (1 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11). This authority has transfer to successors of the Holy Apostles (1 Tim. 5:22, 2 Tim. 1:6, 2 Tim. 2:2, Titus 1:5). These teachers are given by the Lord to help us correctly understand and obey Holy Scripture. Saint Peter also recognized the Clergy (1 Peter 5:5). They deserve double honor from the Laity (1 Tim 5:17).

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 3/1/11


Haz27,

You are a prime example why I am Orthodox. You read your Bible and make up these "interpretations" as you go along, disregarding how the immediate successors of the Apostles interpreted Scriptures, how they worshiped, etc. No wonder you lack knowledge of Scriptures and Church History. No wonder you take 1 John 2:27 out of context. Only by taking the passage in it's historical/grammatical context (get a good commentary on 1 John, which focus on it's historical setting) does it make sense. Why would He tell them to disregard church teachers, if he wrote them a letter, instructing them?The main focus was with Christ and Gnosticism (i.e., they need not human philosophy to know God, etc).

In IC.XC.,
---IGNAtius on 3/1/11


"They are walking commentaries."

Yes, we are to be walking commentaries, an open book for all to read and witness Christ in us ( 2 Cor 3), not calvin, or any dead saint--but CHRIST HIMSELF, the LIVING GOD--not dead men---not second hand already chewed up food and spit out for you to chew.

Out of YOUR bellies will flow rivers of living water...FRESH, ALIVE, ETC..

That is what God has required of us. This is where the Holy Spirit manifests Himself, In GOD'S WORD, that is living and powerful and sharper than a two edge sword.

Many are only carrying around ,plastic butter knives, not to mention that plastic fruit purchased at the wally mart, scotched taped on. IT'S OH SO PHONEY.
---kathr4453 on 3/1/11


//It would look better for you if you gave gentle responses with much scripture instead of falsely accusing others of, "calling God a liar", and not being a"child of God", etc,etc// - Haz 27

I agree, however if anyone would care to take notice, there is a PATTERN to this way of communicating..and it is on purpose.

Anything that will make you feel small and them MORE superior makes them feel they have power over you. They want to have dominion of your mind. They use FLESHLY means of warefare. NO POWER at all, except in their own imagiations.

Beware, this is not of God.
---kathr4453 on 3/1/11




Steven G, when I said material to help you, I was doing the same thing you were doing, you tell them to look up words to find definitions, I say to look up words on a Lexicon to find the true meaning of a word in Hebrew or Greek which is essential to interpreting the Scriptures correctly. You condemn my methods but yours are ok.
Now you say: "Apparently, some people on these blogs take pleasure in the condemnation of sinners and christians. They also take pleasure in judging others without facts. Their hearts are like stone,"
This must be you since you condemned me and Judge all of God Churches. So before you throw stones take a look at yourself.
---Mark_V. on 3/1/11


Ignatius:
It is unfortunate that you have such great trust in man's doctrines. It is what has led Mark_V into error too. Please consider the scripture Steveng pointed out Col 2:8. It's a good warning about following traditions of men.

You should also consider 1John2:27 before you suggest others are in "darkness" for not following your traditions of man.

1John2:27 "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."
---Haz27 on 2/28/11


//It would look better for you if you gave gentle responses with much scripture instead of falsely accusing others of, "calling God a liar", and not being a"child of God", etc,etc// - Haz 27

Its what people do when they are trying to scare you into their beliefs. They themselves were probably converted in the same manner so its all they know. They dont know how to preach in love and then let the Spirit do the rest. Manipulation, fear-mongering, bearing false witness ... not the things the Spirit of God uses to convict men of unbelief in Christ. If they arent using the Spirit to teach.... well do I really need to say the rest?
---Jasheradan on 2/28/11


christan:
Thanks for getting it at least partly right in your post about me.

But scripture gives it more accurately. See below:

Our life is hid with Christ in God (Col3:3).
Our old man was crucified (Rom6:6)
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin Rom8:10
He that is dead is freed from sin Rom6:7
I no longer live but Christ lives in me(Gal2:20).
Christ's seed remains in us and we "cannot sin" because we are "born of God". (1John3:9).



---Haz27 on 3/1/11


Mark_V.: "Steven G, again you sin. You do sent people to the computer to look up words. That is getting help outside of Scripture, because Scripture does not explain some of the words."

You still have a hard heart and a closed mind. I send people to the KJV bible using the computer to look up verses related to the topic at hand.

As for the bible explaining words, it sure does. And if you pray hard enough, you can get the Holy Spirit to help. You need to use the bible as its own reference and it will explain words as well as the meaning of all prophesies even in Revelation.
---Steveng on 2/28/11




Our fesh is crucified with Christ, and by the LAW no flesh will be justified.

Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, HIS FAITH is counted for righteousness. AKA JUSTIFIED. Justification is your legal standing before God. Upon faith in Jesus Christ...God pronounces you NOT GUILTY. Because your faith in Christ who took away your SIN, and your belief in that, PLEASES GOD!

But it is God who justifies the UNGODLY, not the righteous, or self-righteous.

I guess some don't know what justification is.
---kathr4453 on 2/28/11


Apparently, some people on these blogs take pleasure in the condemnation of sinners and christians. They also take pleasure in judging others without facts. Their hearts are like stone, but their minds are active in worldly knowledge. How can a person speak about spiritual matters using wordly knowledge? These are the same people who use commentaries and other christian references to guide them instead of the Holy Spirit. These are the same people who use commentaries and other christian references to guide them instead of using the bible as its own reference.

By the way, the bible does interpret the meaning of Revelation, but most people are confounded using worldly knowledge.
---Steveng on 2/28/11


MarkV, I have been reading some of Haz's replies and he gives me the impression now that he's a Christian, he's sinless in this world, basically incorruptible. So, who are we to argue with a sinless and righteous man, who's been made perfect in the flesh - when we are told by God no flesh will be justified before Him.
---christan on 2/28/11


---Every answer you have given has been wrong so far, so Bible reading only is not helping you.---Mark_V

Does one who has the Spirit of God need to read anything MORE than the Bible to understand?
---CraigA on 2/28/11


Mark_V
Most here want the best for you inspite of your reckless accusations against us who oppose your doctrines.

It would look better for you if you gave gentle responses with much scripture instead of falsely accusing others of, "calling God a liar", and not being a"child of God", etc,etc.

And you are correct, only one person was sinless, Christ Jesus. Thank God our life is hid with Christ in God (Col3:3), our old man was crucified (Rom6:6), I no longer live but Christ lives in me(Gal2:20). Christ's seed remains in us and we "cannot sin" because we are "born of God". (1John3:9).
---Haz27 on 2/28/11


While CragA and Haz27 reject those God gifted to teach (Scriptures give evidence of the teaching authority of the Church BTW) they follow their own interpretations of Scriptures. They are walking commentaries.

The Holy Spirit have guided me in the study of Scriptures through the commentaries/homilies of the Ancient Christians, especially those of Saints John Chrysostom/Cyril of Alexandria. Those of Blessed Theophylact and Saint Gregory Palamas have also enlightened me.

The Holy Spirit has gifted many through the centuries to teach the Apostolic Faith and spiritually nourished those in need. Those who have the Holy Spirit will hear them, while those who are in darkness will reject them, and follow their own paths.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/28/11


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--God has gifted many through time to help you. But you refuse.
---Mark_V.

Do you have their names and phone numbers because apparently I missed them?
---CraigA on 2/28/11


Haz, you can say it for another 1,000 times, and the passages will not change. If you are a believer in Christ and claim to have the Truth, you are a sinner. You still sin, because as 1 John 1:8 says,
and here it is again:

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the Truth is not in us"

If you are consistent with what you keep saying, then I say, the Truth is not in you, you have been deceived and are not a child of God. Because claiming that you are sinless puts you also in the category of a person not having the Word in you, and most of all you call God a liar. I did not say it, God did. You call God a liar. Only One Person was sinless and that was Christ Jesus our Lord who is perfect.
---Mark_V. on 2/28/11


Craig, I have faith in the Lord with all my heart. And is the reason that I will go to great extremes to learn about the Word of God. Every answer you have given has been wrong so far, so Bible reading only is not helping you. You need help. From the Spirit of God, but you will only get it if you are serious about Christ. God has gifted many through time to help you. But you refuse.
---Mark_V. on 2/28/11


--For your own sake throw out your Bible commentaries and trust God instead.
---Haz27 on 2/27/11


That needs to be said 10000 more times!!!!
---CraigA on 2/27/11


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Mark_V
I think Steveng is right about your getting your facts wrong. I experience the same from you. You are at least consistent.

Also your claim that I don't know the meaning of "sin" does look bad for you. I have been showing you God's specific definitions from the Bible. You refer to man's ambiguous definitions of sin.
Your insistence that man's definitions of sin overrule God's definitions is concerning.

For your own sake throw out your Bible commentaries and trust God instead.
---Haz27 on 2/27/11


Steven G, again you sin. You do sent people to the computer to look up words. That is getting help outside of Scripture, because Scripture does not explain some of the words. Do not try to get out of what you said. Whether a person goes to a Lexicon on the computer or a book that show the words in Hebrew or Greek, it is still getting help from outside the Bible. If you read the Bible without that help you would never know what the words mean just like Haz doesn't on sin. So your rebukes are just like those the Eastern Church gives, they are meaningless because they sin for giving them.
---Mark_V. on 2/27/11


Bible actually says God wishes no man to perish.
---Jesus_loves_His_God on 2/27/11


Mark V., Have you ever searched the KJV bible using keywords? More specifiaclly, have you ever searched the bible using any of the keywords I've suggested in the past?
---Steveng on 2/26/11


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Mark_V.: "Steven G, ...And I told you if that was so why do you send everyone to the computer to look up words."

I have repoved you, rebuked you, exhorted you with longsuffering for two to three years about this topic. I don't send everyone to the computer or the internet (per se), but to go straight to an online KJV bible to look up words in scripture relating to the topic at hand. I send people only to the bible and not to any other resource including christian resources. I've tried to convince you in different ways without success apparently. How hard is that to understand that I send people only to the bible to look up certain topics for themselves?
---Steveng on 2/26/11


Mark_V
The scripture Steveng quoted to you is worth quoting again. Please read it again and consider it against your misplaced trust in Bible commentaries and man's ambiguous definition of sin.

I tell you don't allow others to spoil your faith and joy with their philosophies, their wrong and shallow answers built on man's thoughts and ideas. Only depend on what Jesus said and you can't go wrong. (Colossians 2:8-10)
---Steveng on 2/25/11
---Haz27 on 2/26/11


Steven G, I have never told you not to seek help. In fact I told you to go to church so that you could learn something. The Bible is clear enough and sufficient enough to bring salvation, bring great lessons of conduct. The fact is that it was you who said, not to read anything outside of Scripture. And I told you if that was so why do you send everyone to the computer to look up words. So please don't sin just because you don't like my answer to the point of slandering me calling me a hypocrite. I will not call you that, because I am not suppose to. But I will say, what you said is false, and you do need to get help. The Holy Spirit will help you with your conduct.
---Mark_V. on 2/26/11


Mark_V.: "Haz, what you need to do yourself is to get help to understand Scripture and how to interpret it. There is a lot of help out there, we are without excuse."

For the past couple of years you have been telling me not to seek help. You are surely a hypocrit. The world today is full of false teachings - even from christian preachers.

I tell you don't allow others to spoil your faith and joy with their philosophies, their wrong and shallow answers built on man's thoughts and ideas. Only depend on what Jesus said and you can't go wrong. (Colossians 2:8-10)
---Steveng on 2/25/11


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Duane, what you said it true when you said,

"Jesus came to save sinners..how is that? By setting men FREE from their sins (No sin shall enter), therefore God found a way through HIS SON. HE became sin for you, HE took on your sin and gave you righteousness."
Jesus came to save sinners by setting men free from the bondage were in, we were under the law, and by forgiving us, He took us out of the law. No man enters heaven with sin, because all our sins are written on the books in heaven. Jesus never became sin, He was and is sinless, for He is God. He imputed His own righteousness on us. Underneath that righteousness, there is a body of flesh that has not been redeemed, until it gets the New body.
---Mark_V. on 2/25/11


Mark_V you said "There is a lot of help out there, we are without excuse"

You are correct there is a lot of help out there. He is our teacher, the Holy Spirit.

Your misunderstanding of sin seems to come from your not trusting in Holy Spirit teaching preferring man's Bible commentaries instead. You even prefer man's ambiguous definition of sin over God's specific definitions. Your trust is misplaced and has led you into error.

Again I suggest you would do better throwing out your Bible commentaries and just keeping to His word.
---Haz27 on 2/25/11


christan
Your assumptions on Romans 7 is based on your belief Christians still sin. We all were raised under that traditional belief.
Did you ever do an objective Bible study to check if this traditional belief is correct?

Read Rom7 again. It speaks of the war between flesh & spirit.
Verse 5 tells us "when we WERE in the flesh"
Verse 6 "But NOW we are delivered"
Verse 24 asks "who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Jesus delivered us.

Also, when you read scriptures on sin try using God's definitions instead and ask what sin is that scripture speaking of.
---Haz27 on 2/25/11


Haz, what you need to do yourself is to get help to understand Scripture and how to interpret it. There is a lot of help out there, we are without excuse. The Bible has many words that have to be looked up because they have different meanings depending on the Context. For example, the word "world" has many meanings in Scripture, we need to get it right or you will be wrong forever, just because you are stubborn. A good lexicon can help you, which give a clear meaning on many of the words in Hebrew and Greek in Scripture. No one needs those helps in order to be save, the Bible is sufficient to save you, but if you are going to grow in the Word you need to get some help.
---Mark_V. on 2/25/11


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Jesus came to save sinners..how is that? By setting men FREE from their sins (No sin shall enter), therefore God found a way through HIS SON. HE became sin for you, HE took on your sin and gave you righteousness.
This is so easy to understand, but many here really dont believe what Jesus Christ did on Calvary. Its a shame to say the least.
For a Christian to say he is still a sinner is a mockery of the Cross. Its time to wakeup to truth.
There is the righteous ones who WERE sinners and there are the sinners who wont believe.
Where do you stand?
---duane on 2/25/11


I am very impressed with the post by---Haz27
---mima on 2/25/11


"You have been given many scriptures CLEARLY showing that Christians do not sin." Haz27

Really? I guess it really depends on how you read those Scriptures you presented in context, isn't it? Paul, who wrote majority of the Epistles will definitely disagree with your understanding that "Christians do not sin". Otherwise he would not have written Romans 7 at all, which was to prevent the kind of understanding like yours.
---christan on 2/25/11


Steveng
You said:"Show me one christian who does not sin"

If you are saying Christians still do things wrong I agree. And God chastises those He loves.

But the label SIN is DEFINED as "transgression of the law" 1John3:4.
We are SET FREE from the law Rom8:2
What the law says it says to those UNDER IT Rom3:19
The law was not made for righteous (Christians) but for....sinners 1Tim1:9
Where there is NO LAW there is NO TRANSGRESSION Rom4:15.

The reason why God says Christians do not sin 1John3:6-9 is we are no longer under law hence cannot be accused as transgressors of it, we believe on Jesus and are righteous in him.
Sin was condemned in the flesh. Our old man is dead.
---Haz27 on 2/24/11


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Mark_V
Can I suggest you ignore your Bible commentaries and traditional beliefs about sin and be open to God's word ONLY.

God's definitions of sin are the ONLY relevant ones to use when reading His word.Try it and perhaps you will understand scripture.

You have been given many scriptures CLEARLY showing that Christians do not sin. Surely your struggle to find anything to contradict God's claim that we are not sinners must signal to you that something is wrong with traditional beliefs on sin.

Those born of God CANNOT sin 1John3:9. Why doubt God on this?

---Haz27 on 2/24/11


Haz27: "Your understanding of James5:20 is based on your belief Christians sin."

Show me one christian who does not sin - physically or mentally.

Haz27: "Clearly James5:20 "multitude of sins" is not referring to the Christian."

Take that verse to an English teacher.

Haz27: "Do you really think God keeps balance sheet on us with our DEBIT SINS and
CREDIT LOVE/CONVERSIONS?"

There wouldn't be a judgement day if there weren't a balance sheet. People will be judged from their works for faith without works is dead faith, right?
---Steveng on 2/24/11


Haz27: "Yes, I agree about not judging others as we love one another instead. We should forgive 7x70.
You are correct that some Christians do judge according to transgressions of the law. This is not God's way."

Christians are to judge - righteous judging. How do you tell a person he is doing wrong without judging?

1 Corinthians 2:15
1 Corinthians 6:2
Philippians 1:9
Romans 2:16
Matthew 12:36
Matthew 23:23
Luke 7:43
John 5:22-30
John 7:24
Acts 18:15
Romans 14:13
1 Corinthians 1:10
1 Corinthians 10:15
1 Corinthians 14:29

Besides, God the Father is not a father that says, "do what I say, not as I do" for God does not judge, but passed on judgement to his son.
---Steveng on 2/24/11


Haz. 2: continue:
Rather than focusing on confession for every single sin as necessary, John has especially in mind here a settled recognition and acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness (Eph. 4:32, Clo. 2:13). "Make Him a liar" Here since God has said that all people are sinners (Ps. 143:, 51:5, Is. 53:6, Jer. 17:5,6, Rom. 3:10-19, 23, 6:23 ), to deny that fact is to blaspheme God with slander that defames His name.
That's why it is very important we have the Truth. That's why there is only one kind of "Christian" not two kinds. Who can either behave by obeying the Spirit or obeying the flesh. 1 Cor. 3. All others without the righteousness of Christ are not Christians at all.
---Mark_V. on 2/24/11


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Steveng
Your understanding of James5:20 is based on your belief Christians sin. I also was raised under that traditional belief. It took some time before I could see past it to God's truth.

Did you notice James5:20 says the converted SINNER is saved from DEATH? SIN=DEATH.
John8:34 says "whoever commits sin is slave of sin", Rom6:16 tells us servants of sin=death.

Clearly James5:20 "multitude of sins" is not referring to the Christian.

Do you really think God keeps balance sheet on us with our
DEBIT SINS and
CREDIT LOVE/CONVERSIONS?

Wasn't Jesus "ONE OFFERING" Heb10:14 for sins enough to perfect us? Do you really think his offering missed a "multitude of sins'?
---Haz27 on 2/24/11


Steveng
You referred Duanne to 1Tim1:15 re Paul claiming to be "chief" sinner. But read verse 13 to get context. He is referring to his blaspheming and persecuting the church before conversion. Clearly Paul is no longer doing that so HOW can he claim to be chief (Christian) sinner as you suggest?

It is difficult to let go of traditional beliefs but try to be open to God's word. You have now seen many scriptures clearly showing Christians do not sin.
---Haz27 on 2/24/11


Donna66
Yes, I agree about not judging others as we love one another instead. We should forgive 7x70.
You are correct that some Christians do judge according to transgressions of the law. This is not God's way.
I believe the "cover" 1Pet4:8 talks of is how love does not judge by works of the law but forgives. We see how God, who is love, gave His only begotton Son for us so that we may have everlasting life.
Without love there is no way sins would ever be covered and death would be the result.
---Haz27 on 2/24/11


Haz27-- Ok, here goes. 1Pe 4:8 And above all things have fervent love for one another, for love will cover a multitude of "transgressions of the law".

Christians are not perfect. Some Christians don't care whether it is under the blood of Christ or not. If it looks to them like a transgression of the law, they can't resist saying so. If they know the person well, they may even point out previous "transgressions"

Love would not expose every "transgression" they
imagine exists.

If the person is an non-believer, it's still unnecessary to point out their every transgression of the law! Many sinners are well aware of their "transgressions of the law"

---Donna66 on 2/23/11


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Donna66
You said about sin " I understand it is under the blood of Jesus, if you are a Christian"

As 1Pet4:18 clearly shows, EITHER you are righteous OR a sinner. you cant be both.

Have you tried reading scripture ONLY using God's definitions of sin?

The traditional belief of sin is similar to 1John3:4 "transgression of the law". You know our position in Christ so why would you judge a believer as being under the law still? We were SET FREE from the law Rom8:2

Scripture shows that we are no longer sinners. Our life is hid with Christ in God. We are righteous as He is righteous.
---Haz27 on 2/23/11


Haz27 Steveng: James5:20 is speaking of hiding the multitude of sins of the sinner (unbeliever) who becomes converted."

I knew you were going to interpret that verse incorrectly. Re-read it again using proper grammar and punctuation. Who is the subject? He who converted the sinner or the sinner?
---Steveng on 2/23/11


duane: "If you claim to be a sinner, you canNOT claim salvation."

Paul said "...that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief." So, does that mean Paul does not have salvation?
---Steveng on 2/23/11


Mark_V
You misunderstand scripture. As I have said before, read 1John1 from beginning. It is an evangelical context speaking to those in darkness/without Christ. Verse 8 speaks in general "we" terms to those in darkness, not believers.

Your belief that it does speak to Christians is not only out of context but it contradicts 1John3:6-9 which says that Christians CANNOT sin and that those who do sin are OF THE DEVIL.

And remember you base your understanding on man's ambiguous definition of sin being "missing the mark'. You will do much better using God's definitions. They are specific and relevant to His word.
---Haz27 on 2/23/11


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Haz27- Guess I didn't make my point as clearly as I intended. I'll try again.
1Pe 4:8 And above all things have fervent love for one another, for "love will cover a multitude of sins."
I NEVER meant that we can in anyway alter GODS judgement. Every man is accountable to God for his own sin (yes, I understand it is under the blood of Jesus, if you are a Christian).
Some Christians feel a duty to expose any sins they notice in others.I take "COVER" as "hide from the sight of men". NOTHING IS HID FROM GOD. Exposing to view, every sin we see in others, is not always a loving thing to do
(but it certainly doesn't absolve them of responsibility before God)
That's how I interpret that verse.
---Donna66 on 2/23/11


Donna66.
Regarding 1Pet4:8 your correct that we DON'T JUDGE each other as we LOVE one another. And in GOD's LOVE for us He gave His only begotten Son. All our sins were covered on the cross. We are NO LONGER JUDGED under the law as we are set free from it Rom8:2. And where there is NO LAW there is NO TRANSGRESSION (SIN)Rom4:15.

But there are no scriptures saying that we can cover each others or our own so called "sins" by our love for each other.

And remember God's definition of sin. 1John3:4 "transgression of the law".

What the law says it says to those UNDER IT Rom3:19,20.

Our old man is dead. Our life is hid with Christ in God Col3:3. We are righteous and NOT sinners 1Pet4:18, 1JOHN3:6-9
---Haz27 on 2/23/11


Haz, I do not misunderstand 1 John 1:8. It is an explicit statement. If you Stop to think for a minute the passage begins with, "If "we say" we have no sin" Now hear this, "if we say" not "if we have sin" but "if we "say." Now, "what have "you said" to everyone? That you have no sin.
Then John continues with v. 9 which talks about confession. Genuine Christians admit and forsake sin. (Ps. 32:3-5, Prov. 28:13). The term confess means to say the same thing about sin as God does, to acknowledge His perspective about sin. Confession of sin characterizes genuine Christians, and God continually cleanses those who are confessing (v.7).
---Mark_V. on 2/23/11


Steveng
In case you missed previous blogs on sin I will start with this.

God's definitions of sin are best. They are specific and relevant to His word. Man's definitions ("missing the mark"), are ambiguous.

Sin is transgression of the law.1John3:4

But we are SET FREE from the law Rom8:2.
Where there is NO LAW there is NO TRANSGRESSION (SIN). Rom4:15
What the law says it says to those UNDER IT Rom3:19
The law was not made for a righteous person (Christians) but for....sinners
1Tim1:9

It is no longer I that lives but Christ lives in me Gal2:20

Rom6:2 asks HOW shall we that are dead to sin, live in it any longer?

Christians do not sin according to scripture.
---Haz27 on 2/23/11


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Steveng:
James5:20 is speaking of hiding the multitude of sins of the sinner (unbeliever) who becomes converted.

They were still in their sins and when they came to Christ they became a new creation. They are set free from the law Rom8:2. Their life is hid with Christ in God Col 3:3.
They became righteous and are NOT sinners anymore 1Pet4:18
They are born of God and CANNOT sin because His seed remaineth in them 1John3:9

Doing works?
Jesus was asked about works we should do. He answered "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent".John6:28,29
---Haz27 on 2/23/11


My understanding of IJohn 1:8 is that it is not always needful to point out or draw attention to other peoples sins.

1Pe 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

It speaks of "covering sins"
not absolving them. GOD knows every sin of every man.
But there is no cause for rejoicing because YOU can expose the sins of others! Some people are never happier than when they accusing somebody else!

I believe the verse is saying, such is not Christian charity (or "love")
---Donna66 on 2/22/11


If you claim to be a sinner, you canNOT claim salvation. For no sin shall enter. Christians have been freed from sin. We have been made righteous.
Lets not deny who we are. We are HIS people, made perfect forever.
---duane on 2/22/11


Haz27, two things to keep in mind is that faith without works is dead faith and, two, christians still sin no matter how hard we try not to. It's very difficult to have faith without showing glory to God. Everything that Jesus and the apostles did was to prove God's existance. Christians must DO faith, DO the love that we have been filled with. James tells us that when we convert the sinner from the error of his way we save a soul from death, and, therefore, shall hide a multitude of our own sins. Peter says the same thing. christians cannot withhold love from others, we must show it by DOing love.
---Steveng on 2/22/11


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Mark_V:
You misunderstand scripture. And you still continue to quote 1John1:8 in a dangerously wrong context.

You said: "if we show love many of our sins will be covered." Incorrect.
Are you saying the cross didn't complete the work?

Jesus took away our sins on the cross. Why would you think we can cover our own so called "sins"? You are misunderstanding scripture.

And you still avoid the fact that 1Pet4:18 CLEARLY separates 2 different groups.
1:Righteous
2:Sinners
You CANT be both.
---Haz27 on 2/22/11


Haz27, it was only a rhetorical question.
---Steveng on 2/21/11

Sorry about that. Got a bit carried away I think :)
---Haz27 on 2/21/11


Haz, the righteous are those who have been saved by grace through faith, they receive the imputed righteousness of Christ. 1 Peter 4:18 is talking about the ones who are righteous, and those who are sinners without righteousness of Christ. If you go back to 1 Peter 4:8 you will see where it says,
"And above all things have fervent love for one another, for "love will cover a multitude of sins"
Suggesting believers sin but if we show love many of our sins will be covered.
So I take you back, that you do not have the Truth since 1 John 1:8 says, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" You are deceived.
---Mark_V. on 2/22/11


Haz27, it was only a rhetorical question.
---Steveng on 2/21/11


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Mark_V:
Yes, Rom 10:3 is addressing Israel, but do you think that it is only them who are ignorant of God's righteousness and going about to establish their own righteousness instead of to God's righteousness?

I noted in your quote of 1Pet4:18 you conveniently left out the word sinner. Why is that?

It seems that you are saying that righteousness is based on our lifestyle/deeds in the flesh and not our position through Christ.
---Haz27 on 2/21/11


And who are the righteous?
Steveng on 2/20/11

Rom4:5 "to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness".

1John3:7 "he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous"

Rom5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous".

1Pet4:18 "If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear?"

If you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ then scripture shows that you are righteous and not a sinner.

---Haz27 on 2/21/11


Haz, your answer to Robyn on Romans 10:3 is a wrong interpretation.
The passages are speaking about Israel "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness have not submitted to the righteousness of God"
They are still in unbelief. They are still under the law, so Paul says, "For Christ is the end of the law." Righteousness is to all those who believe.

1Peter 4:8 is a quote from LXX of Proverbs 11:31 and reinforces the point that if the justified sinner is saved only with great difficulty, suffering, pain, and loss-what will be the end of the ungodly?" 2 Thess. 1:4-10.
---Mark_V. on 2/21/11


Haz27: "The righteous in Christ are not sinners."

And who are the righteous?
---Steveng on 2/20/11


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Robyn:
A sinner is an unbeliever. They are the self-righteous,
"seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
Rom10:3

Remember 1Pet4:18,
If the righteous one is scarcely saved, Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?

It is sinners who face condemnation as the blog question says. The righteous in Christ are not sinners.
---Haz27 on 2/17/11


No..We all are sinners, to some degree. i have been saved for a long time now but I still like to think I am a sinner saved(only saved) by God's grace!! It keeps me grounded, humbled and thankful.It helps me to relate to people who are not yet, saved.I was in their position once upon a time. Thanks be to God I came to my senses before it was too late. Hallelujah! Thank you Jesus!
---Robyn on 2/17/11


The Bible says God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked in Ezekiel.

Christan, comparing the death of Jesus Christ to wicked men isnt a wise thing to do.

Yes - God did desire the death of his Son to save mankind. He did take pleasure in it, , so did the Son because He knew the Father's heart. It was an act of love and HOLY.

Jesus was afraid, yes. But as Jesus said at any time He could have called upon the Father and received 12 legions of angels at any time. So it was Jesus' choice to obey the Fathers command and die for us. He wasnt "willed" into anything.
---Jasheradan on 2/16/11


---It's also true that God does not desire the death of the wicked, but He has willed it for His Holy purpose that they will perish (Romans 9:21,22).--- Christan

What is the "Holy purpose" in men going to Hell if God has already said he would rather them repent and live?

Justice?
---CraigA on 2/16/11


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I agree with josef.
---Haz27 on 2/15/11


Steveng, I will not re-read what I know, but you re-read what I have posted. When sinners abuse God's very own children, he laughs at them because they kick against the prickles onto their own hurt. The Almighty holds the life and breath of every sinner in the palm of his hand. My God recompenses the wicked for their abuses against his children. If anyone desires hell in their life, just continue to abuse God's children and I guarrantee a life misery for each one, in this life and also in that to come. I also laugh along with my Almighty God to think that any creature, human or demon, can stand against the Almighty. What a joke for puny little tiny satan and little bits of clay to think that they are something at all against their Almighty God.
---Eloy on 2/15/11


Eloy, reread the verse (within context) very slowly and apply rules of grammar. The verse does not say God has pleasure in condemnation. Also, laughing at men who are acting as fools does not mean he is condemning them.
---Steveng on 2/15/11


No it does not.
---Leslie on 2/15/11


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----------NO--------
---mima on 2/15/11


Yes, "Evil will slay the wicked, and they that hate the righteous will be condemned. The wicked plots against the righteous, and gnashes upon them with their teeth. Yhwh will laugh at them, for he sees that their day is coming." Ps.34:21+ 37:12,13.
---Eloy on 2/15/11


Question: Does God desire the death of His Son Jesus Christ? However He willed His Son's death.

Scripture declares: "Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him, he hath put him to grief" Isaiah 53:10, "For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done." Acts 4:27,28

It's also true that God does not desire the death of the wicked, but He has willed it for His Holy purpose that they will perish (Romans 9:21,22).
---christan on 2/15/11


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