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Are denominations a thing of the past? Are more people turning to community or interdenominational churchs today instead of very rigid denominations with tons of creeds and set styles of worship?

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Catholic 10 Commandments from their catechism:
1. I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.
2. MISSING- You will not make to you any graven image: you will not bow down yourself to them, nor worship them.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
4. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not kill.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10A. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
10B. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods.
---Eloy on 2/25/11


Eloy ... Thank you for your reply ... But go back two posts further and you will see i had misread your post. My later and correcting reply (and apology) was published as out of sequence.

I agree with the catechism appears to say little of the 2nd Caommandment, but I am conscious that Cluny says "Neither the Catechism of the Catholic Church, their own Bibles, nor any of their official documents remove completely the Second Commandment, but indeed a difference in numbering exist
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/25/11


Protestant:

My point was that the Catholic church had presumed for itself the power (which we would find abhorrent today) to be allowed to kill people just because it didn't like their religious beliefs.

This exact same presumption of power is evident when you execute someone for blasphemy, burn witches at the stake (as the Protestants in Salem, MA did), etc. Such an attitude was fairly universal except recently, during the past several centuries.
---StrongAxe on 2/25/11


"alan, I am not going to post word-for-word the catholic catechism which clearly excludes the second commandment, " (Eloy)

Of course you would not Eloy. For if you did it will show that you, Mark V, and Jerry, are liars in need of repentance.

I have given the pages in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (not the unauthorized version Jerry "supposedly" have) where the entire Ten Commandments can be found, and even a list in the difference in the numbering of them.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/25/11


"Sola Scriptora says scripture is the final authority not tradition.
---Samuel on 2/25/11"

But such a tradition is not to be found in Holy Scriptures. In fact, the very ideology goes against Scriptures. I and others have proven this in numerous posts directed toward you in other blogs (to which you NEVER responded).

When will you accept this fundamental truth? Only time will tell, I guess.

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 2/25/11




alan, I am not going to post word-for-word the catholic catechism which clearly excludes the second commandment, that is why I posted the website for all to read this truth for themself. Now after seeing the truth literally in front of a person written in black-and-white, if they still refuse to accept this truth, then that is their own denial and they are left to deceit. Lets get back to the blog posted, there definiately is a growing number of interdenominational churches today, don't you agree?
---Eloy on 2/24/11


I wish to clarify some things.

1. I'm not responsible for the heretical Baptists. The Protestants excommunicated the Anabaptists, and the Anabaptists in turn, became Baptists with John Smith as the leader. So, the Baptists are REALLY extra-heretical and I'm ashamed of them.

2. Calvin allowed the Geneva magistrates to execute Servetus for grievously blaspheming the Holy Trinity.

No fault in Calvin.

3. I'm aware that the Orthodox Church looks at the RCC and Protestants as the same flip of coin. Needless to say, the fall of Constantinople should be a reminder to the Orthodox Church not to be entirely smug.

Only the help of Christ can help Christians to fight against the Turks.
---Protestant on 2/25/11


Yes, Catholics executed Protestants. But Calvin (one of the Protestant reformers) executed Catholics too. When one starts to throw mud, there's enough around to land on everybody.
---StrongAxe on 2/24/11

And Martin Luther in some of his writings called the Jews "cursed Christ killers whose synagogues should be burned".

Only writing? Well there were Nazis who were German Lutherans who read his stuff and even quoted him in Nazi propaganda and that is exactly what some Nazis did!
---obewan on 2/25/11


These executions you talk about. Whether it be of Caths by Prots or of Prots by Caths.

I wonder what the motive for them was?

Retribution?
Prevention?
To discourage others from teaching "falsehoods"?

Those are the usual reasons for punishment.

But these burnings were supposedly done to save the soul of the victim. Presumably such extreme [unishment here would mean God did not have to punish them later.

So the executions were benign in nature!

People thought differently then!
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/25/11


Actually, alan, the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception says that the Virgin Mary was preserved from the stain of original sin from the first moment of her conception--not at birth.

However, contrary to what mima is trying to imply, her physical body was formed according to the usual laws of nature.

Traditional icons of this show her parents embracing and kissing by a bed with an empty cradle in the corner of their room.

Any questions?
---Cluny on 2/25/11




Iggy: You now seem to be defending the all of Ten Commandments as binding on all Christian denominations. At last we agree! Do you now intend to remember the Fourth one, or will you go back to only nine?
---jerry6593 on 2/25/11


Igantius, your rebukes mean nothing and I will tell you why. First, they could have remove the numbers and combine them both, if they had left them along, but they didn't. They Added to the Word of God and omitted many of God's Words. Of course, with an agenda. The Word of God was not good enough, they had to add their own words. So I say, you and Alan are liars yourselves. I am not a "she" but a "he." Your remarks give evidence of your faith, to support the idol worship and idol images they use. They say concerning images,
under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate." Images do not lead anyone to Christ, the Word of God does. And what they added to the Word of God is not God's Word.
---Mark_V. on 2/25/11


True some Protestants killed Roman catholics. I believe they have apoligized. The RCC has not caught up on it's apoligies. They have millions more to make than protestants.

Having a Literagy is not against the Bible. Having a Church tradition that does not contridict scripture is not wrong. Sola Scriptora says scripture is the final authority not tradition.
---Samuel on 2/25/11


Protestant:

Yes, Catholics executed Protestants. But Calvin (one of the Protestant reformers) executed Catholics too. When one starts to throw mud, there's enough around to land on everybody.
---StrongAxe on 2/24/11


"The Roman Catholic Church has all of their mass, traditions, and ceremonies to this day. It is in direct violation of the second Commandment." (Protestant)

If that is so, then Protestants are in direct violation as well. Protestants have their own traditions, ceremonies, and services (some follow very liturgical services).

"It's a good thing that the Reformer Martin Luther overthrew the papal bull."

While it is good that Martin Luther pointed out the abuses in the Roman Church at the time, he also added his own traditions to his new founded religion. If only he had become Orthodox and embrace Holy Tradition.

BTW, do you agree with most, if not all, of Martin Luther's teachings?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/24/11


Do you deny that the Roman Catholics executed Protestants?

The Roman Catholic Church has all of their mass, traditions, and ceremonies to this day. It is in direct violation of the second Commandment.

It's a good thing that the Reformer Martin Luther overthrew the papal bull.
---Protestant on 2/24/11


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Mark V

Actually, the very ideal of chapters, verses, numbers, subscriptions and the order of the books of the Bible are pure human inventions, as those DID NOT exist in the original manuscripts or their copies. So a difference in numbering makes no difference.

In fact, the issue of the numbering of these commandments goes back to the third century. The traditional Jewish list simply has "You shall have no other gods but me" as the second commandment. Lutherans numbering agree with the RCC and not the traditional Protestant version, by the way. Did you know that Mark V?

The enumeration of these commandments is not scripture itself. It is tradition.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/24/11


The Oxford Companion to the Bible (Oxford, 1993) is correct when it states: "The contents of the Ten Commandments are . . . the same for all of the religious communities, despite the differences in their enumeration."

In fact, the very idea of referring to the "Decalogue" as "The Ten Commandments" is a extra biblical tradition (Holman Illustrated Bible Dictionary, pg 1570).

Why are Mark V and Jerry making a issue on something that matters not?

Mark V will not give you the whole story, because she is only interested in giving half of the story filled with her lies. Anti-Catholics are liked that.

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 2/24/11


Eloy "Yes, it is public knowledge that the catholic catechism totally omits the 2nd commandment forbidding making images and worshipping them"

No, Eloy, it is a public perception.

But it is totally untrue.

You should actually read the RCC Bible. It says exactly the same as yours, except for punctuation and paragraphing.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/24/11


Mima ... "Cluny to me "Immaculate Conception" speaks of a sinless conception.

Really, Mima, you are making up your own definitions, which you know conflict with those who actually created the term. That really takes the biscuit!

The RCC say that Mary was granted sinlessness at birth.

But it is shameful and disgraceful that you should spread the lie that the RCC say Mary was conceived without sin.

And you betray a woeful ignorance of biology if you think that a Rent-a-Womb mother conceives the child she carries for another.

Hebrews 10 5 does not suggest that her ovum was not used. And how can Jesus be fully God and fully Man, unless He was the product of Mary's egg?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/24/11


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Eloy ... I have to apologise!!!
I wrote about your post, having read it as if you stated the RCC totally omitted the 2nd Commandment.

They don't of course, as I said.

I agree that they don't appear to emphasise it in their cathechism.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/24/11


MarkV You said "they (the RCC) had to add all of their own traditions, remove the Second Commandment and keep Scripture from everyone"

I do not need to read the scriptures to know that the RCC has NOT removed the 2nd Commandment.

Maybe you think it is true, but in fact it is a lie, because the RCC has the 2nd Commandment in full in its bible.

Why don't you concentrate on the real differences, on the real wrong teachings and practices of the RCC, and not on fabricated ones?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/24/11


\\It is a crock to deny what has happened through history. \\

Do you deny that Protestants persecuted and even executed roman Catholics?
---Cluny on 2/24/11


---Cluny to me "Immaculate Conception" speaks of a sinless conception. And a sinless conception can only apply to the Lord Jesus Christ. He and he alone is sinless among all of those born in the world. This concept could not possibly apply to Mary as she was a sinner.
---mima on 2/24/11


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---Samuel on 2/22/11
Do You believe letter's Paul wrote are any more divinely inspired than letter's You write?
---kevin5443 on 2/24/11


Mark V,

What truth are you talking about? Neither the Catechism of the Catholic Church, their own Bibles, nor any of their official documents remove completely the Second Commandment, but indeed a difference in numbering exist.

So who is a liar, but you alone? I rebuke you once again in the Name of Jesus Christ, and others who have the Spirit of God will do too.

I do not worship the Saints or have Idols. Once again, you lied. Repent.

You believe in Sola Scriptura, a tradition of men. If anyone is brainwashed, it is you. Like Mima and Samual, you follow after men, and not God.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/24/11


MarkV, A-men.
---Eloy on 2/24/11


Mima, PLEASE do not use "Immaculate Conception" when talking about the Virginal Conception and Birth of Jesus Christ. This is NOT what the term is talking about.

As regards the obstetrical processes: Luke 1 says, "Behold, you will conceive," and the woman's part in conception is to provide the ovum. Didn't your parents tell you about this?
---Cluny on 2/24/11


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Eloy, thank you for posting what you did. It is a crock to deny what has happened through history. The Ten Commandments were change. The Second Commandment was added to the first Commandment but omitted parts of the second. The ninth Commandment was change to two commandments. Their excuse for the making of Idols and worship of them comes because God Himself made a rod with the image of a snake. So if God can do it, why can't they? Even though God was talking to the people what they must not do. They also justify their worship of idols and veneration of them. In the history of Scripture every time Israel fell into apostasy was when they went back to the idols.
---Mark_V. on 2/24/11


---Ignatius I'm guilty of everything you accuse me of except this statement,"Mary is not the true Mother of Jesus Christ", what I have said is that Mary's natural egg was not used to create the body of Jesus Christ. Mary is the mother of the physical Jesus Christ. But Jesus Christ's immaculate conception came about by a miraculous implantation in Mary's womb by God the father. Read Hebrews 10:5
---mima on 2/24/11


\\Iggy: Sounds like you've got a really big Catechism - you must be a devout Catholic. Mine is just a booklet, "The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine by: Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.", and it does indeed omit the Second Commandment,\\

jerry, as a matter of fact there is a rather thick book entitled THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

This is an official publication.

The one you have is not.

BTW, the CCC is available on line.
---Cluny on 2/24/11


Yes, it is public knowledge that the catholic catechism totally omits the 2nd commandment forbidding making images and worshipping them, and then they divide the 10th commandment into 2 separate commandments to make up for the 2nd commandment that they have omitted. You can find the catechismal 10 listed on the net showing their omission of the Biblical 2nd commandment at- www dot beginningcatholic dot com forward slash catholic hyphen ten hypen commandments dot html
---Eloy on 2/23/11


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The latin word "aula" within English word "catholic" means "castle", "palace", "church", and can be seen online at
http colon forward-slash forward-slash www dot latin-dictionary dot org
---Eloy on 2/24/11


Iggy: Sounds like you've got a really big Catechism - you must be a devout Catholic. Mine is just a booklet, "The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine by: Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R.", and it does indeed omit the Second Commandment, Call the Sabbath Commandment the Third (rather than the Fourth) Commandment, and even admits that the RCC, by her own authority, changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Look for yourself!
---jerry6593 on 2/24/11


Ignatius, your rebuke's are meaningless because they comes from a bias heart, one that is enslave to the traditions of your Church. If you were from outside your Church, you too would know the Truth and it would set you free from the slavery you are in through your traditions of worship of saints and Mary and idols in your Church. You have been brainwashed.
As to Alan, he doesn't know Scripture or what he answers because he does not study to be approve, and when someone speaks against something he doesn't like, he calls them liars as he has called me before. Has no other response, like maybe I'm wrong, or maybe I misunderstood, but no, he calls me a liar to defend his own ignorance.
---Mark_V. on 2/24/11


I totally agree with Cluny.
the fact that some split the first into two and others split the last into two does not change them.
what does affects people is to recite half and then say you said all.and that is the problem with some who did not seperate the first command in two.
---andy3996 on 2/24/11


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Since there were no chapter or verse divisions in Hebrew, or breaks between words originally, or even vowels, does the actual division of the 10 Commandments into English have any spiritual significance?

How can people say that one division is right and one is wrong, when either is a mere human convention?
---Cluny on 2/23/11


"But the Catechism - the book they learn from - does indeed remove the second Commandment and split the tenth in two.

Check it for yourselves." (Jerry)

Really? Let's see. I have it in my bookshelf. Nope. You lied. Page 559 has the second commandment. Check it for yourselves.

What were you saying again, Jerry?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/23/11


"What I answer concerning the RCC is because of yours and Cluny's answers against anyone who is not of your faith or the RCC's faith." (Mark V)

We have spoke agaisnt some of the Roman Catholic Church's false traditions. We have also spoke agaisnt your own man-made traditions.

"Just like removing the Second Commandment."

Saying it over and over again does not make it so. Like they say, if one keep telling oneself a lie, one actually start believing it.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/23/11


"I know harden Catholic are unlikely to be changed. " (Mima)

On the other hand, Cluny, I, and others, have tried to witness to you on several occasions, but you refuse to listen. You are just as stiff-nicked.

You still believe in many traditions of men (i.e., Sola Scriptura, Salvation by Faith [believing] alone, the Sinner's Prayer, Altar Calls, Baptism is merely a symbolic act, Mary is not the true Mother of Jesus Christ, Pre-Tribulational Rapture, among others).

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 2/23/11


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For what it's worth, the English word "castle" is from the Latin "castellum", itself a diminutive of "castra" or "fortified place."

It has nothing to do with the word "catholic" which comes from Greek.

However, mere unsaved clay that involves itself in sinuous dissing because it has no light is not interested in truth.
---Cluny on 2/23/11


Pages 551-692 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church have all the 10 Commanments. Mark V and Jerry, I rebuke both of you in the name of Jesus Christ for bearing false witness against our Brothers and Sisters in Christ. You two should be ashamed of yourselves.

If anyone should be accuse of removing anything from the Bible it should be the Protestants for they removed several books in the Old Testament. Books such as Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, etc, were considered Scriptures by the African Jews and Early Christians. In fact, they are still consider Scriptures by the African Jews and the majority of Christians.

In IC.XC.,
---IgNatius on 2/23/11


Mark V made this statement,"I also know the attention Mima has cause when he post many questions that lead to answering against the RCC. It is very obvious." I hope it is obvious. It is my intention to be obvious. Most of my questions about the outrageous teachings of the Roman Catholic Church are an attempt to get the reader to think . I know harden Catholic are unlikely to be changed. But many unthinking people have been led to believe that the Roman Catholic Church is okay. In actuality nothing could be farther from the truth.
---mima on 2/23/11


Protestant ... MarkV was NOT 100% correct, for the RCC has not removed the 2nd Commandment.

However many times Mark repeats the lie, it does not turn it into the truth.

I am really sad that some of my fellow Protestants persist in lies about the RCC, instead of concentrating on real points of difference
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/23/11


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\\But no, they had to add all of their own traditions, remove the Second Commandment and keep Scripture from everyone.\\

Repeating the same falsehood another said doesn't make it the truth.

**"catholic" ( < Latin: kata + aula + -icus), "of castle, follower of church"**

Better to be silent and be thought an ignoramus than to speak and remove all doubt, Eloy.

The word "catholic" is from the Greek "kath' olos"--throughout the whole.

If Christians don't make errors (your claim), you have again proven you're not a Christian
---Cluny on 2/23/11


But no, they had to add all of their own traditions, remove the Second Commandment and keep Scripture from everyone.

This way they could control the whole mass of people, by keeping them blind to the real Truth (the Bible). The Reformers effectively put the Bible into the hands of the laity. This was done at a great price, as some who translated the Bible paid for it with their lives. The Catholic Church tried with all they had to murder anyone who put the Bible in the hands of the people. They still control their own people by their traditions.
---Mark_V. on 2/22/11

One hundred percent correct. The Anti-Protestants don't like to discuss about this.
---Protestant on 2/22/11


"catholic" does not mean "universal". A catholic is no more a Christian, then a Roman is a Jew or an idolater a worshipper of God.
"catholic" ( < Latin: kata + aula + -icus), "of castle, follower of church".
"Christian" ( < Greek: Xristos + -ianos), "of Christ, follower of Christ".
---Eloy on 2/23/11


"catholic" does not mean "universal". A catholic is no more a Christian, than a Roman is a Jew or an idolater a worshipper of God.
"catholic" ( < Latin: kata + aula + -icus), "of castle, follower of church".
"Christian" ( < Greek: Xristos + -ianos), "of Christ, follower of Christ".
---Eloy on 2/23/11


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If one looks at the statistics it for sure suggests that denominations are on the decline.

Young people and new converts are leaving "traditional" denominations in droves. Major denominations have been in decline for 30 years.

On the other hand, mainstream non denominational churches are in a huge growth mode.

That should tell you something.
---obewan on 2/23/11


Igantius, I always want to play fair. I also know the attention Mima has cause when he post many questions that lead to answering against the RCC. It is very obvious.
What I answer concerning the RCC is because of yours and Cluny's answers against anyone who is not of your faith or the RCC's faith. Just like removing the Second Commandment. I already read the reasons why they justify that act, they would not justify something if there was no reason. Otherwise I answer from information of their catechisms and V. I and V.II. What the Catholic Church has done in history is very bad. Now because I say that, does not mean there is no one save, the fact is that through history a whole lot of great Catholics paid with their lives for the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 2/23/11


Cluny & Iggy: It's not in the Douay Bible where the Commandments are changed - they're fine there. But the Catechism - the book they learn from - does indeed remove the second Commandment and split the tenth in two.

Check it for yourselves.
---jerry6593 on 2/23/11


\\"they....add all of their own traditions, remove the Second Commandment and keep Scripture from everyone. " (Mark V)\\

Aside from the fact that the principal Roman Catholic services, namely the Mass and Divine Office (Liturgy of the Hours) are made up almost exclusively of passages of Scripture, as any look into these books will show, the Douay/Rheims translation of the Bible into English was made BEFORE the King James Version.

MarkV, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" includes not spreading slander against Roman Catholics.
---Cluny on 2/23/11


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"they....add all of their own traditions, remove the Second Commandment and keep Scripture from everyone. " (Mark V)

Does Rome have serious doctrinal issues? Yes. However, removing the Second Commandment is not one of them, as all of my Catholic Bibles have them, and in my 5+ years of attendance of the Catholic School system and Mass, I was always taught it.

Let's play fair Mark V. We already have Mima spreading his Anti-Catholic venom in CN. We don't need nor want yours.

The numbering of the 10 commandments is a DIFFERENT issue, but all Christians agree on the contents of them.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/22/11


\\MarkV You say of the RCC "But no, they had to add all of their own traditions, remove the Second Commandment

MarkV ... please quote the 10 commandments from the RCC bible to prove the truth of what you say.\\

Does MarkV actually think the numbering of the commandments and verse divisions are of divine origin? (Hint--they do NOT exist in Biblical mss)

And no matter how you number them, "Do not bear false witness against your neighbor" does NOT go on to say, "unless your neighbor is a Roman Catholic."
---Cluny on 2/22/11


//When I tell someone I am baptist, they know what I believe...no need to wonder.//

i used to think so until i was proven wrong a few months ago...lol.
---aka on 2/22/11


MarkV You say of the RCC "But no, they had to add all of their own traditions, remove the Second Commandment

MarkV ... please quote the 10 commandments from the RCC bible to prove the truth of what you say.

There is enough in RCC doctrine which can be honestly challenged. Why over-egg the case?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/22/11


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Kevin what do you imply with "'catholic church" explain,---andy3996 on 2/19/11
Simple,all the denominational theologies are based on a set of books & letters the R.C.C. cannonized and presented to King James kevin5443

Please Kevin actually read some church history before writing about it. James was trying to make peace between the church of England and the Puritans. It was Mary who was procatholic.
---Samuel on 2/22/11


Andy3996
Do you realise you have just joined that that accuse!
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/22/11


If the Catholic Church (universal church) had kept the Truth that it accepted, there would not be hardly any denominations. But no, they had to add all of their own traditions, remove the Second Commandment and keep Scripture from everyone. This way they could control the whole mass of people, by keeping them blind to the real Truth (the Bible). The Reformers effectively put the Bible into the hands of the laity. This was done at a great price, as some who translated the Bible paid for it with their lives. The Catholic Church tried with all they had to murder anyone who put the Bible in the hands of the people. They still control their own people by their traditions.
---Mark_V. on 2/22/11


Today people are still members of various denominations.
---Eloy on 2/21/11


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Kevin please do not tell that to the reformed, lutherans baptist's seventh day Adventist's Pentecostals (did i forgett any?)
Cluny more specifically yours and all the others why was there seperation between the ancient churches? because all believe their own gospel is true and all the others are in error. Greek acuse copts acuse Ethiopic acuse RCC acuse Anglican acuse ancient catholic acuse Russian orthodox acuse crusaders acuse acuse acuse acuse. all with the same angry words, YOUR DENOMINATION IS WRONG AND WE KNOW BETTER. is this a problem with modern churches regrettably yes. because up to today we are n ot aware that it is Christ alone that saves.
---andy3996 on 2/22/11


what denomination walks in full truth? the one that
sees God as the sole source of all life wisdom and knowledge.
accepts GOD4S love only as reason why we can be saved.
has the BIBLE ALONE AS CHURCH LAW
sees CHRIST as God and the only SAVIOUR.
sees faith alone as the way of life.
accepts the HOLY SPIRIT ONLY AS GUIDE AND replacer of Christ.
accepts that god is still alive an kicking as he was before the beginning and will be eternally.
sees only true believers of the foregoing as his brothers.
---andy3996 on 2/22/11


Kevin what do you imply with "'catholic church" explain,---andy3996 on 2/19/11
Simple,all the denominational theologies are based on a set of books & letters the R.C.C. cannonized and presented to King James........
---kevin5443 on 2/21/11


michael e ... You caught me there!

I really do respect the United Kingdom, so now correctly sign myself as ...
---alan8566_of_UK on 2/21/11


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alan8566_of_uk on 2/21/11
Sorry if boC instead of body of Christ offended you.
The body of Christ is the Church revealed to Paul by the risen Christ.
Btw, what is uk?
---michael_e on 2/21/11


Michael ... What on earth do you mean by the "boC"

Do you by chance mean the "Body of Christ" to which all Christians belong?

If so, please have the courtesy to use the full name.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/21/11


//And today it is known as the Orthodox Church.
---Cluny on 2/19/11//
wrong, it is still known as the boC.
---michael_e on 2/20/11


its apparent that the only agenda that matters is GODS. and his agenda is salvation,thru acceptance of christ.God sent his son to die ,to take our place,so that thru our faith we might receive the gift of eternal life.Our agaenda should and must be in spreading this message.its not ammasing material possessions,homes cars etc,its not becoming worldly,full of the pride of our accomplishments(academy awards etc)THE WORLD IS LOST,and like the prodigal son can only be found thru christ.Thats our agenda.
---tom2 on 2/20/11


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\\ the boC revealed to the Apostle Paul.
---michael_e on 2/19/11\\

And today it is known as the Orthodox Church.
---Cluny on 2/19/11


denomination is a tradition of man, there is one biblical based church, the boC revealed to the Apostle Paul.
---michael_e on 2/19/11


\\ that is more something for the ANCIENT Churches with their POPES.\\

Please tell me one who said that.

Be specific.
---Cluny on 2/19/11


Kevin what do you imply with "'catholic church" explain,
Cluny to my knowledge i know not one modern church where its founder said "Now we're going to have a real New Testament Church with ME as the head." that is more something for the ANCIENT Churches with their POPES. it is true that some modern cults do have such heretical practices but they are condemned by the true church.
---andy3996 on 2/19/11


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I agree with the post made by ---Cluny on 2/18/11.
All churches denominational and interdenominational promote their own agendas. This is as it should be. And I must remember that while I do not have a church building I too have an agenda and my agenda concerns salvation and salvation only. What is very conniving and deceiving by churches is their failure to clearly point out their beliefs and agendas. I've only attended one church in all my life where immediately upon realizing I was visiting immediately gave me a package explaining what they believed in and taught. The name of that church was "Free Evangelical Church".
---mima on 2/19/11


BTW, to answer your questions, Scott, the answer to both of them is No.
---Cluny on 2/19/11


There are churches that are retiring. Possibly one say there is no real standard to believe and live by. Kids can get the message that they don't need to go to such churches, if there is no standard any different than secular people have.

Plus, ones are set in their own ways (2 Timothy 3:13), and they turn away younger people. The United States has its "fifty-percent divorce rate" plus the abortion problem and other stings. A number of these couples etc. were brought up by cultural church people who did not minister for these young people to discover living in God's love and Christ's "rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:29) So they are damaged so they can't make a marriage work.
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/19/11


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