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When Adam Eve Had Kids

When do you suppose, Adam and Eve began having children?

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 ---Leon on 2/18/11
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Micha: My opinion of your short-sighted outbursts hasn't changed from 2/24. "Big picture" indeed! Get a grip. :)
---Leon on 3/14/11


You have the order quite mixed up there Leon.
No wonder you have hard time listening to opinions that don't match yours when you have such a preconceived notion about what others have tried to tell you.
The Bible says God made Adam, Adam named the animals, then God made Eve.
It also states that God made both male and female on Day 6.
Which of these Bible statements do you not believe as written?
Get your order straight and you may see the big picture.
Of course you will tell me to do the same...
---micha9344 on 3/14/11


Don't be so pompous Warwick! Who made you my judge?

I've answered you, but because you don't like my responses you doggedly persist in your self righteous foolishness. Like I've said, there's nothing more I can say to you on the subject. So why don't you give it a rest! Thank you. :)
---Leon on 3/14/11


two corrections to previous post, ..."Lamech at 18 has ladies- Gn.4:19...So you subtract 130-111 = 19 years when Adam sires Cain- Gn.3:24+ 4:1."
---Eloy on 3/14/11


Garden of Eden life looks like this to some bloggers: 1.) God made Adam. A few days later He made Eve. 2.) God put Adam in charge of all the creatures & let him name them. That took a few days. 3.) Adam was also given the job of gardner. He did these jobs for a few days before he sinned, was fired & put out of the garden with his wife. 4.) Being in the garden for just a few days (weeks at the most) A & E couldn't possibly have had any children since everyone knows it takes approximately 9 months for humans to make a baby. 5.) After being put out of the garden, A & E then decided to be fruitful & multiply. 6.) Their son Cain fled to the land of Nod & somehow he got a wife from somewhere.

Got milk? Hmmmm! :)
---Leon on 3/14/11




Leon, I believe I have given you more than adequate time to answer my reasonable question.

As you have not done so I feel free to propose that you have not done so as an honest answer would expose that you have an ulterior motive for believing in pre-fall children.
---Warwick on 3/13/11


You have to count the time and genealogies in order to subtract the years from the time of Adam's beginning: Cain and Abel are both 20 year old adult sheep-herders and farmers and gave a sacrifice to God, and Cain murders his brother- Gen.4:2-5,8,14,16. Cain cast out from his parents and takes a year to build a city on the eastside from Eden, for himself and his wife, and their son Henoch- Gn.4:16,17. Cains's son Henoch at 18 sires Irad- Gn.4:18. Irad at 18 sires Mehujael- Gn.4:18. Mehujael at 18 sires Methusael- Gn.4:18. Methusael at 18 sires Lamech- Gn.4:18. Lamech at 18 has wives- Gn.4:19. Total= 20 + 1 + 18 + 18 + 18 + 18 +18 = 111. Now Adam sired Seth at 130- Gn.5:3. So you subtract 130 111 = 19 years when Adam sires Cain- Gn.3:24+ 4:1.
---Eloy on 3/13/11


"God formed man of the dust" > in Genesis 2:7 > from "dust", not from monkeys! Eve was made from Adam . . . not from a monkey > Genesis 2:21-25. Genesis 3:24 > God kicked "the man" out of Eden, no children mentioned as being kicked out, here. Then chapter four tells us they had children, after leaving Eden, possibly. Cain was sinful, so I'd say he was born after the fall, and he's the first son mentioned.
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/12/11


\\According to the Scriptures Adam was shaped as a man, and it was 19 years after he was created that he sired Cain.
---Eloy on 3/11/11\\

BCV, please, Eloy.
---Cluny on 3/12/11


According to the Scriptures Adam was shaped as a man, and it was 19 years after he was created that he sired Cain.
---Eloy on 3/11/11
Please give text.
---dowanor on 3/12/11




According to the Scriptures Adam was shaped as a man, and it was 19 years after he was created that he sired Cain.
---Eloy on 3/11/11


Leon I would like an answer to my question of 8th of March (8/03/11).
---Warwick on 3/11/11


So you say as you "doggedly" try to push what you believe on me. It's obvious why I can't adequately give an explanation to you. You really don't want to hear it.
---Leon on 3/8/11

Not agreeing with you on PreFall...but, you've run into that:
Some were never meant to see. Some never ask.
I've come to expect the blind cannot see light. Light does not cure blindness.
Psalm 82:5
They know not, neither will they understand, they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

Isaiah 45:3
And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
---Trav on 3/9/11


Leon, I understand your position however my question is aimed at understanding why you hold it.

To explain: some Christians believe God used evolution to create. They defend this position (theistic evolution) passionately, in direct opposition to what Genesis and the rest of Scripture says. Why do they hold to this position? Because somewhere along the way they have accepted microbe-to-man evolution as proven fact. Therefore they reinterpret Scripture bending it as to make it fit with their nonBiblical views.

I therefore wonder what is behind your defence of pre-fall children because as I see it you are in the same position as the theistic evolutionists, in that you defend a view which is not supported by Scripture.

Why?
---Warwick on 3/8/11


Leon...you are defending a position which is not in Genesis, nor mentioned anywhere else in Scripture."

So you say as you "doggedly" try to push what you believe on me. It's obvious why I can't adequately give an explanation to you. You really don't want to hear it. I've repeatedly explained to you my position, to no avail. So, there's nothing more I can say to you on the subject other than "peace"!!! :)
---Leon on 3/8/11


Leon, no it's boredom.

I asked you "I see nothing in Scripture which says there were pre-fall children so wonder why you defend the idea so doggedly?"

But you say you persist because "Because I believe God wants us to get it Bible right regardless of our finite & varied opinions."

Leon you talk as though you search for the truth but be honest you are defending a position which is not in Genesis, nor mentioned anywhere else in Scripture.

So the question remains: why do you defend this position? What Scriptural reality hangs upon it being true?
---Warwick on 3/7/11


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Warwick: I think you're trying too hard. We must let Scripture say what it says.
Sorry, but scenerio you suggest doesn't logically fit what the Bible says. ...
---Leon on 3/2/11

He can't explain it or collective Israel and would discourage any from looking too hard.
Evidently,danger is you might find/seek a truth??
True one might discover statements, like "Everlasting", "For Ever". Or witnesses in the thousands.
Better to evade truth subtley, climb another way.
John 10:1
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and robber.
---Trav on 3/7/11


Elder, you are correct, my mistake, human are born sinners even though they have not sinned. Not perfect or sinless either. Good points. Humans are not sinners because they sin, rather they sin because they are sinners. I went back to check what I said and it was put down wrong. Very important point. Because all humanity existed in the loins of Adam, and have through procreation inherited his fallenness and depravity, it can be said that all sinned in him.
---Mark_V. on 3/7/11


You're bored Warwick? Sorry, I certainly didn't mean to bore you. :) Actually, you sound more frustrated than bored.

Is the inherited sin nature material (physical) or spirit (mental/soulish)? Choose wisely & you should know the truth of the matter. Presently, you're trying real hard not to see what's Bible obvious.

Why do I "persist"? Because I believe God wants us to get it Bible right regardless of our finite & varied opinions. Peace brother! :)
---Leon on 3/6/11


Leon this is getting boring. What I have said is that we inherited the sin nature from Adam. It is both a Spiritual 'disease' and a physical consequence. Adam was made perfect, without genetic defect, and without sin. Sin was a choice. The fall brought both Spiritual and physical consequences as sin caused corruption which caused genetic copying errors to occur, to be retained and to be passed on in increasing numbers to successive generations. Today I believe there are c3,600 diseases and conditions which come from faulty DNA.

I see nothing in Scripture which says there were pre-fall children so wonder why you defend the idea so doggedly?
---Warwick on 3/6/11


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Micha made some very good points. As Gophylann said, if there were children before the fall, they did not come under the curse of the fall, for they did not sin if they were born before the fall. They would be sinless people. Nothing whatsoever is mention in Scripture. Another thing, sinful nature means "the inherent tendencies of a person" all descendants of Adam and Eve after the fall received the inherent nature of that curse. Their nature is to sin though they are born sinless. Just like the nature of an animal is to kill to eat. The nature of a person is to sin. We teach our children not to sin, because it is their nature to sin.
---Mark_V. on 3/6/11


Gophylann, if you will read the post of Leon on 3/5 you should understand why your theroy cannot be true.
"Scripture says because of one man's sin (Adam) ALL have sinned (Ro. 5:12). Not some, but ALL..."
Leon on 3/5/11
---Elder on 3/6/11


'Scripture "does" indirectly mention pre-fall children.' (G5:4-5)-Leon on 3/5/11
This is Leon's indirect mention:
Gen 5:4-5 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
This 'indirect' mention should be stated 'subjective' or 'arbitrary' mention for it can be used against supposed pre-fall children as well. The only thing 'indirect' would be the interpretation because it is based on presuppositions.
As to naming animals, Adam named them before Woman was created(Gen 2:20-23), and we know Woman was created on day 6 where He commanded them to 'be fruitful and multiply'.(Gen 1:26-28)
---micha9344 on 3/5/11


Here's a thought, if Eve gave birth to children before the fall, they they would have been born sinless, is that not correct? If so, what happened to them? Did they also sin along with their parents and get kicked out the garden as well, or were they allowed to stay because they had not sinned? Just something to think about.
---Gophylann on 3/5/11


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Warwick: You think because A & E ate of the tree, sin must be a physical consequence passed on to children in man's DNA. So, pre-fall children (born before Adam sinned) would be exempt from his physical sin since his DNA wasn't contaminated when they were born. That's not true! SIN is spiritual death that culminates in physical death. Our sin nature isn't in our flesh. It's in our heart/SPIRIT!

I can only agree with Scripture when it says because of one man's sin (Adam) ALL have sinned (Ro. 5:12). Not some, but ALL (Eve & her pre-fall children, etc.) & Scripture "does" indirectly mention pre-fall children. (G5:4-5)

Why is it important? I believe God wants us to get it right! :)
---Leon on 3/5/11


Leon, you wrote "it doesn't explain where Cain and his sons wives came from." This comment usually comes from the pre-Adamic race believers. But as you do not believe this idea then what do you mean?

As I have explained, Jesus came to save those who became sinners in Adam. That which is often referred to as inherited sin nature. "For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive" 1 Corinthians 15:22. But if some children were born pre-fall they cannot have inherited a sin-nature which Jesus came to overturn. They cannot be blamed for Adam's actions and cannot be part of God's promise of salvation via Jesus. How can they be saved? Or do they live among us, sinless? Scripture says no -Romans 3:23.
---Warwick on 3/4/11


Warwick: "When do you suppose, Adam & Eve 'began' having children?"

We know the Bible plainly says (G5:4-5) Adam begat sons & daughters. I don't know why you're inferring I imagine people other than those descended from A & E. I never said there were people other than A & E's children. Remember, I believe A & E had children pre- post-fall ~ in & outside of the Garden.

I never said there was any other kind of human beings existing apart from A & E's parentage. No doubt A & E's children wed each other. That's what the Bible indicates & that's what I believe.

You & a few other bloggers are having a very hard time with the idea of pre-fall children. So be it! :)
---Leon on 3/4/11


Andy: My apologies if I seem to be bitter. In my heart I'm not bitter about anything nor towards anyone. Bitterness kills! My one "main issue" is a very low tolerance for nonsense.

Surely, I haven't insulted "everyone", have I?! Whoa! :) I don't mean to be insulting to anyone. I'm just a straightforward, Joe Friday, kinda guy.

Admittedly, some bloggers get on my last nerve with their intentional foolishness. I'm an old guy & don't have time for it! :)

I sincerely hope my explanation is satisfactory. God bless!
---Leon on 3/3/11


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Leon- 1 Corinthians 15:21-22 "For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive."

Scripture says that the curse with all its horrors, including death, (for as in Adam all die) came into the world because of Adam's sin. If there were pre-sin children then they would not have inherited the sin nature, the corrupted nature that those born post-sin inherited.

Why should they have lived under the curse when it came from Adam's caused after they were born?

Please explain why you propose there were pre-sin children. Scripture does not mention them, so why is it important to you?
---Warwick on 3/3/11


Leon, Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters, other than Abel, Cain and Seth. Therefore we don't have to imagine there were people other than those descended from Adam and Eve' to explain where a growing population came from. Our early ancestors either married their sisters, or neices or other close relatives. I know of no reason why they could not have done so.
---Warwick on 3/3/11


Micha: You really need to take a moment & just breathe, & stop hyperventilating. Your arguments are always the same. Are they scripted? :)

Okay! You didn't (maybe couldn't) answer my question. But, I'll answer yours.

How many did God make? He definitely created them ALL, i.e., "a few" different "kinds" of creatures. In case you're wondering, "a few" would start out being exactly one more than two.

God only knows how many "kinds" of creatures there were in the beginning. But, the Bible says there was an "abundance". (G1:20-21). So, it's more than likely a few days turned into a few years (more than 3) in order for Adam to complete the task of naming them.
---Leon on 3/2/11


Warwick: I think you're trying too hard. We must let Scripture say what it says. Sorry, but the scenerio you suggest doesn't logically fit what the Bible says. Regardless of Cain's generations, it doesn't explain where Cain & his sons wives came from.

Also, I don't see how 1 Cor. 15:21-22 excludes what I've said & supports what you said. Your explanation was puzzling. Please explain further for clarity.
---Leon on 3/2/11


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To everyone, i aplogise. not for what i said, but that my vieuw upoan A & E expulsion happens to be the same as Leon's. but that does not indicate i share his zeal of insulting everyone.

Leon how come that everyone gets such a bitter answer from you it is good to sharpen you senses in good sensible discussions but without insulting please.
---andy3996 on 3/2/11


Leon, consider how long it was between Adam's creation and when Cain becamne a wanderer. Maybe 100 years or more. For example Adam was 130 years old when Seth was born-Genesis 5:3. Eve calls Seth a replacement for Abel-Genesis 4:25. Most likely Seth was a soon-after-death replacement for Abel so there would be ample time for many generations to produce plenty of marriagable women. So Genesis 4:17-19 doesn't really support pre-fall children.

Also I Corinthians 15:21,22 would preclude pre-fall children because Jesus came to overturn the curse which Adam's sin instituted. Therefore pre-fall children could not be held responsible for Adam's later sin so their descendants could not be included in the forgiveness given via faith in Jesus.
---Warwick on 3/1/11


Yes, Leon, a few days.
How many land and air animals did God create?
Another answer that must be taken by faith.
If your answer cannot be established, how can you berate someone else's?
And it has already been stated that "the mother of all living" was a reference from the author, not a quote at that time.
You would like it to read "because she was the mother of all living at that time".
Where are your proponents, your witnesses, your prophets, those who agree with your view?
There must be some out there, quote some, or are you the only person in 4,000 years with this revelation?
Still posting blogs just to put down any opinion that doesn't fit your's.
---micha9344 on 3/1/11


What do you mean by "a few days" Micha?

"...the Lord God took... & put man in the garden...to dress & to keep it." G2:15

For how long ~ a few days?

...the Lord made every beast of the field...every fowl of the air & brought them to Adam to see what he'd call them, & whatsoever he called them, that was the name thereof." G2:19

It took Adam how long to name them ~ a few days?

"...Adam called his wife's name Eve ~ because she was the mother of all living." G3:20

G3:20 implies Adam named Eve while they lived in garden. So, it took Eve

A FEW DAYS

to become "THE MOTHER OF ALL LIVING"? :D
---Leon on 3/1/11


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Warwick: Thinking outside the box, suppose all the pre-fall children were "GIRLS"? That wouldn't conflict with the Scriptural account of Cain & Abel being the "first born sons" to Adam & Eve, would it? Also, G4:17-19 seems to indicate there were an abundance of women to take as wives in the land of Nod. Where did they come from?

Regarding the issue of sin, Romans 5:12 says, "By one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin, & so death passed upon all men [mankind], for [because of] that ALL HAVE SINNED." That means no one is sin proof! Yes, the whole of creation (pre-fall children included) suffered ( & huemanity yet suffers) because of Adam's sin.
---Leon on 3/1/11


Leon I have to agree with Michael. I believe the fall was very soon after Adam and Eve were created and therefore there were no pre-fall children. That seems to fit with the flow of Scripture. After all Cain seems to have been born post-fall and it seems strange if there was a son born pre-fall who would be the first-born son, but not mentioned.

I also think it interesting to speculate on the nature of any pre-fall children, should they have existed. Would this have made them sin-proof? There is no reason to believe that of them as their parents were created perfect and fell into sin.

Further Scripture says the whole of creation suffers because of the fall. Therefore any pre-fall children would have also suffered.
---Warwick on 2/28/11


All very shaky Leon.
What makes you believe that the fall didn't happen within a few days of the sixth day?
Our stands are all based on suppositions that can only be taken by faith.
So when do you believe the fall happened?
Gen 2:23-3:1 And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
---micha9344 on 2/28/11


Yes sir, I do: "So God made man in his own image...God created he him ~ male & female created he them. And God blessed them , and God said to them, Be fruitful & multiply..." G1:27-28

Based on what Scripture says, I can't believe A & E didn't quickly obey God. I believe they soon afterwards were fruitful & multiplied (had pre-fall children) as God had commanded.

To suppose A & E waited until they were expelled from the Garden paints them as being disobedient to God even before they ate of the forbidden tree. Further, it makes them look dysfunctional (impaired or abnormal functioning, having failed to serve a useful purpose in society).

Also, see my 2/23 comments to Micha. Thx!
---Leon on 2/28/11


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Leon, further to your comments I do not see aything in Scripture which says Adam and Eve had children pre-sin. Do you know of something which suggests this?
---Warwick on 2/27/11


Sorry Warwick. I had a senior moment & misunderstood you. I thought you were commenting on my belief A & E had pre-fall children in the Garden. That idea is anathema for some bloggers who think that would make the p-f children somehow not be affected by Adam's sin & thereby they'd be sinless beings, an all together different people from us. In hindsight, I now see your pre-Adamic comments were unrelated to & had nothing to do with my comments.

Again, sorry ~ it's a jungle out here (wild times on the blogs & elsewhere) ever since we left the Garden so long ago. :/
---Leon on 2/26/11


Have at it Legends, "whatsoever" tit-for-tat foolishness floats your bath water boat!

Shalom! :)
---Leon on 2/26/11


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LEON posted this 2/24/11

[You know Elder(Let's remove Elder's name and put LEON'S name here instead),
You know LEON, you really didn't have to take a pock shot at me. :) You could've just ignored my question and moved on to ones more to your liking. But, it was in your heart to strike a mean spirited blow. Why?
Your condemning comments certainly aren't Christ-like correction (reproof) from the Bible. We "both" would do well to read and heed what the Bible says. You think?!
A sigh for those who love me, a smile for those who hate.]

"Whatsoever a man soweth... THAT shall he also reap!"
... still laughing!
---Legends on 2/25/11


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Leon, I made a general comment,not directed at any one person.
---Warwick on 2/25/11


Like I said Legends, you really need to collect your thoughts. Maybe you'll find them where you lost your marbles. LOL

Follow your lead? Please! No one in their right mind (except your like-minded pals, i.e., all members of the same truth impaired GOBBLEDYGOOK Mutual Admiration Society) would want to follow your blind lead into a ditch.
---Leon on 2/25/11


Scripture does not, in its entirity, mention preAdamic races.
Who did Cain marry? Either his sister or a relative. Why not?

Who was Cain afraid of?
---Warwick on 2/24/11

The Bible declares it is about the Generations of Adam. Noah. Abraham.
It does make mention of the conflicts caused by other than these.
I can see you giving a worthless ole daughter to a "brother" with a "mark" and a killer....because your doctrine requires it.

I look at my daughter....and I won't do it.
I deduce you'd crawfish as well on your doctrinal stand at giving time.
One more thing... relatives were few....knew he done a dirty...logically the mark was "any" others who didn't.
---Trav on 2/25/11


Perhaps I won't get CN censored for these comments: Warwick, I said nothing nor implied anything concerning any kind of pre-Adamic races. I don't believe in nor does the Bible address or imply any such unbiblical notion. The whole concept was invented by people who, frankly, are racist. The Bible shows there's only one race ~ the hueman race!

Are you saying A & E had daughters after they were booted from the Garden & Cain married one of them?
That's certainly plausible & evidenced by what G5:4 says. She had to have come from somewhere within the family of A & E.

Yes indeed, Cain was afraid of his "relatives". Do you think they were just A & E or a much larger extended family? I'll go with the latter. :)
---Leon on 2/25/11


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Scripture does not, in its entirity, mention preAdamic races. In fact Jesus the Creator directly contradicts this notion saying our ancestors were made at the beginning of Creation (that in which we live) Mark 10:6. Therefore there cannot be any preAdamic races.

Who did Cain marry? Either his sister or a relative. Why not?

Who was Cain afraid of? His relatives who knew he was the murderer of his brother, a good man.
---Warwick on 2/24/11


Leon,
Pardon me for having a differing opinion and participating on this blog question. If you really wish me to hold my thoughts concerning blogs you post, I will most gladly be more observant of not challenging your unchallengable opinion seeing that I gladly ignore credible blogs questions asked by meek people for no reason other than my choice to not blog.
Pardon me while I write a note to myself... maybe others should follow my lead:
I-G-N-O-R-E
L-E-O-N

OK! That should do it. LOL
Shalom!

p.s.
Micha, I really enjoyed your GOBBLEDYGOOK! Sincerely great quotes.
---Legends on 2/24/11


Trav: What is it you're travailing about? If possible, please make sense! Thx.

Yeah, yeah, yeah Micha! You really don't get it, do you? Well, maybe one day when you growup... God bless you too. :)
---Leon on 2/24/11


Leon, Bring up a blog again just to ridicule those of a different opinion than yours... How unChrist-like..
May you enjoy your opinion while it lasts and call it Biblical if you may..
What you call facts are merely suppositions based on shakey evidence..
Call them what they are.. opinion, and be less careless about others views...
How long do you think it took the serpent to beguile Eve? 9 months? less?
You do understand that your time gap between day 6 and the beguiling is mere opinion? Don't you?
Where are your proponents to your arguement?
Surely there must be others throughout the centuries that agree with your view?
---micha9344 on 2/24/11


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Cluny: Who were the "everyone" Cain was afraid of? (G4:14) How do you explain Cain's wife? Where did she come from? (G4:17)---Leon on 2/24/11

Cluny,doctrines won't tolerate questions like the ones above.
They "infer". No facts, but you are not allowed in these unknown areas. Might destroy the faith or something you questioning heretic.
So their swiss cheese mysterious inference is the right inference.

There were pre non Adamic people...is just as correct as saying there were not. By known precepts. (I see more precepts for at this point than they provide against). For instance: Book of Generations of Adam.
Genesis 5:1
This is the book of the generations of Adam. ....

(Makes sense)
---Trav on 2/24/11


\\Cluny: Who were the "everyone" Cain was afraid of? (G4:14) How do you explain Cain's wife? Where did she come from? (G4:17)\\

My own opinion about this is that this refers to pre-Adamic races (see my thread about Neandertals and Genesis).

But again--it's an OPINION, subject to change or rejection.
---Cluny on 2/24/11


Micha: At best, all of what you've said is nonsensical, pompous

GOBBLEDYGOOK!

I'm not dazzled or baffled by it. Please get real! :)
---Leon on 2/24/11


Hold that thought Legends. Actually, hold all your thoughts once you've collected them.

Cluny: Who were the "everyone" Cain was afraid of? (G4:14) How do you explain Cain's wife? Where did she come from? (G4:17)

Obviously, you don't have anything worthwhile to contribute Larry. You & that immoral joker Letterman were made for each other.
---Leon on 2/24/11


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those in favour of a hypothetical birth of children before the fall, should try to answer following question, if a seed was born beforethe fall then there was a righteous seed. that seed could have been scrificed by God to save us. since it is the rightoues one (Jesus) that bare the sin of the unrighteous. i other words then Jesus woiuld loose his claim of being the way the truth and LIFE and only way to the father. any comments?
---andy3996 on 2/24/11


i agree with Legends. inference can lead to doctrine that has no witness.

//Doesn't "adult" mean man/woman?//

yes and not necessarily. men/women can be fully developed males/females, but this does not make them adults.

A & E multiplied before they were fruitful.

they put the physical before the Spirit of God. Emmanuel came in the flesh, died and was resurrected to restore the Spirit of God before the physical.
---aka on 2/24/11


I personally think that their children were born (and conceived) AFTER their expulsion from Paradise.

But this is strictly an opinion, and not an article of my faith.

I reserve to right to change, amend, modify, or even reject it upon receipt of further information.
---Cluny on 2/23/11


''it is apparent when she did receive a name founded upon a future (circumstance)...For if Eve means the mother of the living, behold, she is surnamed from a future (circumstance)!''-Tertullian
''This would be a noble and even heroic fortitude of mind, since he could not, without an arduous and difficult struggle, deem her the mother of the living, who, before any man could have been born, had involved all in eternal destruction.''-John Calvin
''The reason of the name is here given (some think, by Moses the historian, others, by Adam himself): Because she was (that is, was to be) the mother of all living.''-Matthew Henry
---micha9344 on 2/23/11


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Not one of us has a clue, making the entries and theories posted here as hilarious as a David Letterman monologue.
---larry on 2/23/11


I believe that Adam and Eve did not have time to have children before the fall, Gen 3:16 being misunderstood by many, basing various beliefs on one word in that verse.
Genesis was writtten well afterwards and has many instances of past tense verbs due to the writing timeframe.
The writer was letting the reader know why she was named Eve. "because she was the mother of all living" is not a quote by Adam and beliefs have been formed, again on just one word.
Now shorter gestational period is a new one added to this conversation.
Another add-on to maintain current beliefs maybe?
---micha9344 on 2/23/11


Those who say, "scripture indicates Eve had no problem or pain in childbirth before the fall" are actually assuming, without the proper 2 or 3 witnesses required, that Eve actually had painless childbirths before the fall. Assumption has it's place in the thought process. But assumption often leads to speculative doctrines without the teacher knowing that he is speculating.
Go with context. Think VAIN PAIN. The sons names tell the story. Cain means "to create or build". Abel means "in vain". Together they mean "BUILD/CREATE IN VAIN".
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---Legends on 2/23/11


pt 2
The pain of childbirth came as a result of the vainess of Adam's disobedience. Adam ate the wrong thought and offered the wrong words before Eve ate and offered a natural fruit from a natural tree.
All of mankind's creations/the things he was going to build AFTER THE FALL were going to be vain creations.
His mouth sowed vain words in the misidentification of his wife. He reaped a vain painful harvest starting with his very first two children. The pain of birthing always starts with a seed from the beginning. Adam's word(seed) to his wife was a lie from the beginning and those words(seeds) murdered the human race.
Think I'm speculating? Start another blog about it.
---legends on 2/23/11


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\\Micha: "About nine months after conception." Okay, "about"! That, I SUPPOSE, can mean anywhere between 1-9 months. :)\\

There's a saying.

The first baby's likely to come any time, but after that it always takes nine months.
---Cluny on 2/23/11


Micha: "About nine months after conception." Okay, "about"! That, I SUPPOSE, can mean anywhere between 1-9 months. :)

Scripture indicates Eve had no problem birthing children before she & Adam sinned. Only after they'd sinned did the Lord pronounce consequential punishment on Eve. (G3:16 ~ "multiply sorrow...conception") No doubt Adam & Eve fully understood what the Lord was saying since Eve, the "mother of all living" (G3:20) had previously & "easily" given birth multiple times (G1:20) in the Garden. I believe Eve was capable of "easily" birthing children much sooner than "9 months". One, two, three...
---Leon on 2/23/11


Andy: Were Cain & Abel really fully grownup, mature adults? Doesn't "adult" mean man/woman? I SUPPOSE it's possible Cain & Abel may've been adolescent teenagers.

Adam & Eve were made adults (man & woman) in time. When Adam was made, the first year of his life began. The same applies to Eve who was made sometime later ~ after Adam.

The Bible definitely says Adam & Eve were well under 130 when they had Cain & Abel. We certainly don't know how long A & E were in the Garden before they sinned & were expelled. I'm certain it was much less than 130 years (I SUPPOSE somewhere between 70-90 years).

The "girls" Eve birthed were implied in G4:17, 19... & mentioned in G5:4.
---Leon on 2/23/11


\\Cluny, does this mean that the knowledge of good and evil was sexual in nature?
---NurseRobert on 2/18/11\\

Some may say this. I myself do not.
---Cluny on 2/19/11


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I hear & agree with you Alan. I tend to think, "BECAUSE A & E WERE SINLESS" when God told them to be fruitful & multiply (G1:20), "THEY DID NOT DELAY OR HESITATE THE LEAST BIT TO OBEY HIM". In fact, I think they were both rather eager to procreate. Atleast, I'm sure Adam was! But this belief flies the face of everything some here have believed from childhood, i.e., Cain & Abel were the first children born to A & E.

Some people here are so religously hardened against what Scripture actually says on the subject they'll go to no limits to rationalize & try to explain away the truth.
---Leon on 2/19/11


Reading genesis, ADAM was 130 years when he had SETH, counting Cain and Abel's history we can see they where adult when Cain murdered him. counting maybe 129 years in between is wise. my guess is that Eve gave birth about one or two years after their expulsion. by the way the girls that eve brought forth are not mentioned here.why not before the expulsion from the Garden? there was no time, unlike others i do not believe there where years between fall and creation of man, there was a few weeks at most. (Jesus said satan is a liar and a murderer from the beginning , WHAT BEGINNING? the creation... everyting points to an early expulsion after creation, and an early conception after expulsion.
---andy3996 on 2/19/11


Cluny, does this mean that the knowledge of good and evil was sexual in nature?
---NurseRobert on 2/18/11


Why not before?

How can you be sure they did not have children before the Fall?

Are you saying that before the fall, they were sinless, so did not have sex?

Surely one of the punishments was that henceforth, woman would have pain in childbirth ... indicating that before the Fall, there was no such pain, and that childbirth was pain-free?
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/18/11


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About nine months after conception?
Nine months is a long time for Satan to watch perfection flourish, so it was more than likely after the fall.
---micha9344 on 2/18/11


soon after they learn good & evil...
---kevin5443 on 2/18/11


At least nine months after the expulsion from the Garden.
---Cluny on 2/18/11


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