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Blasphemy To Say Saved

The Bible states that Jesus will be the judge of our salvation (cf Act 17:31). Is it not then blasphemy for us be our own judges when we say "I am saved"?

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-- Jerry :

Brother, Scriptures also says that only God knows when the last days shall be upon us and Christ shall return.... So is it blasphemy for those who say 'These are the last days and Christ shall return soon' ???

No matter though b/c Sciptures also says "All sins & blasphemy shall be forgiven man, except the blasphemy again the Holy Ghost"

Grace Unto You & Peace Be Multiplied
---Shawn.M.T. on 2/28/11


Donna: "I can say I'm saved regardless of how I grade myself in self evaluation!"

Sure, you could say it. But don't you admit the possibility that you could be wrong? Only God is the perfect judge. Do you think that Judas thought he was saved at one time? Ananias & Sapphira? Lucifer?


---jerry6593 on 2/28/11


The ONLY thing that matters is WHAT did God say.

Did God ever say faith was a work? NO

Did God say the WORKS of the Law was works? YES.

Did God say "by the works of the Law no man will be JUSTIFIED"? YES

So, what JUSTIFIES you? Christ Blood.

Can you shed your own blood and JUSTIFY yourselves? Only in Mormon doctrine.

So, HOW is it possible that FAITH in HIS Blood that JUSTIFIES you ever be considered a work where you are saving yourself?
Only in the Calvin doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 2/28/11


You are confusing works vs faith. Works is trying to keep this or that to be saved or stay saved.

The GIFT is not faith but Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Gift...His death for our sin is the GIFT AKA GRACE Grace and faith are two different things.

I cannot work for my salvation....but faith according to God is Not works...

God said all man must do is believe. It's called the foolshness of preaching. He made salvation so foolishly simple. The faith of a child.

1 Cor1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

He didn't say the folishness of election.....
---kathr4453 on 2/27/11


jerry6593-- //But when one says "I am saved", by definition, he has reached that conclusion based on his own ability to judge his own worthiness.//

No Jerry,
Don't you see? I can say I'm saved regardless of how I grade myself in self evaluation!
I was never worthy of being saved in the first place, not one bit. Nor am I worthy now!
God didn't save me because I was worthy... but because I was lost.

Jesus said:
Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
---Donna_Smith66 on 2/27/11




Donna: "A man that counts on his own ability or worthiness has reason to wonder about his salvation."

So true! But when one says "I am saved", by definition, he has reached that conclusion based on his own ability to judge his own worthiness.

I'm glad that the discussion has turned to faith. True faith is a gift of God, not something generated within us. My faith is in God as the judge of my salvation - not myself.

Jer 17:9, 10 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
---jerry6593 on 2/27/11


Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,


.1 John 5:6
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ, not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth..

1 John 5:8
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
---kathr4453 on 2/27/11


Donna66, again I agree with you about our faith. It seems to me that when people believe it is their own faith that saves them, they seem to boast of their own abilities. God made it clear through His Word that it is a gift of God so that no one can boast, Eph. 2:8,9. And that faith is granted by God when we hear the Word of God, and many hear the Word and never get faith. And without it, they remain the same, unbelievers. "For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not "only believe in Him" but also suffer for His sake" Phil. 1:29 it is a gift of God. "For it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure" Phi. 2:13.
---Mark_V. on 2/27/11


Craig, you said,
"The problem is that the Spirit tell us in scripture that we can harden ourselves against his call when we hear it. (Heb 3:7-11)"

The writer was speaking to the Israelites who had claimed salvation. He said Moses was faithful. Israel was not. He tells the Jews, "Today, if you will hear His voice,"
(only those who hear Him are His sheep.) "Do not hardened your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness" Just as the Old Testament Jews did. And goes on to say in v. 12
"Beware brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God" There were some that were not saved among them.
---Mark_V. on 2/27/11


jerry6593--//1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall// A wise scripture, indeed, applicable to a multitude of life's situations.

A man that counts on his own ability or worthiness has reason to wonder about his salvation.
But since we are not saved by our strength or merits, but by the Grace of God and the sacrificial death of His Son, we can be confident in our salvation for these never change.

Hbr 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering, for he is faithful that promised,.
---Donna66 on 2/26/11




Mark_Eaton,

I would love to discuss some things with you. everything that i believe has been posted on here in the last year. however, there is so much crossfire (by design) on here that two men fellow-shipping in the Holy Word is nearly impossible.

My penpal name is ak9944. there is nothing that i would say to you in private that i would not post here. (God knows that is true.) However, right now i just don't have time for all the non-sense on the blog forum.

if you create a penpal, you do not have to give the most accurate info.

joseph
---aka on 2/26/11


4.Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
How do I know/understand this..by reading Genesis 1, and believing it.


Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house, by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.


NOAH believed God and MOVED with fear prepared an ark...

Noah's MOVEMENT showed his faith...
---kathr4453 on 2/26/11


Romans 4:5
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, HIS FAITH is counted for righteousness. Counted for righteousness is IMPUTED Righteousness.


God has taught all through scripture it's OUR FAITH...

Just as in the gospels, YOUR FAITH has made you whole.

our faith IN SALVATION IS FAITH IN His blood!
---kathr4453 on 2/26/11


---Faith... it is simply the channel through which it is received and it, too is a gift---

How can you be a scholar of Greek and Hebrew and not apply the rules of the ENGLISH language to Eph 2:8,9? Faith is not the subject!!

---Abraham did nothing to accumulate it, God simply credited it to him.
---Mark_V. on 2/25/11

He showed faith, which is something God requires. Argue with God if you dont like it.

He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strong in faith, giving glory to God, And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
---CraigA on 2/26/11


Faith is not a mystical thing. Many want to make it so. Faith is an attitude. Not a power. WOF mess this up too.

If I believe a chair will hold me, I show faith in that chair by sitting in it. I'm trusting the chair to hold me up. The moment I sit in it, I have placed my faith in the chair. I'm not given some super natural power or gift to believe the chair will hold me, nor am I empowered first to sit in it. No one supernaturally picks me up and makes me sit int eh chair.

I show MY faith by actually sitting in it.
---kathr4453 on 2/25/11


gospel= good news,
saying the Bible presents only one gospel is saying that God sent man only
one item of good news through the ages.
God uses distinct terms to designate items of good
news, "the gospel of the kingdom" Matt. 9:35
"the gospel of the grace of God" Acts 20:24, "the gospel of the uncircumcision" (Gal. 2:7) if God distinguishes between these gospels they can't be exactly the same.
God revealed His good news to man progressively. To Adam the good news was, the woman's seed should some day crush the head of the Serpent (Gen. 3:15).
To Abraham, in him all nations should be blessed (Gal. 3:8)
To us Paul's gospel 1Cor 15:1-4
---michael_e on 2/25/11


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Is it possible for anyone who was once "saved" to become "unsaved"? Is it possible that one who thinks he is "saved" is really not? How would he know?

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
---jerry6593 on 2/25/11


God draws individual sinners to Himself by His Word. The gospel of your salvation. There is only one Gospel. When that sinner not another, reads the Gospel, he receives life through the Holy Spirit who is God. When that sinner receives life, he is now alive to Christ. Where that individual sinner didn't see Christ before, he now is alive to Him. Through God's Word he is granted faith to believe, he is then justified through faith. Faith is not a meritorious work. It is never the ground of justification-it is simply the channel through which it is received and it, too is a gift. Justification is accounted to us, translated "imputed" to us. Abraham did nothing to accumulate it, God simply credited it to him.
---Mark_V. on 2/25/11


as far mixed gospels, most people use some of jesus' words and some of paul's words to arrive at some kind of creation that is not supported 'scripturally'.
---aka on 2/24/11

Can you give any additional information or examples?

What you are saying makes sense because people can isolate any Scripture and try to make truth out of it alone. Like our friend David in another blog trying to make obedience to Law=righteouness out of Matt 25 passage.

We must use all of Scripture to learn the truth.

But what you are saying about two messages may look true only because of when it was said, at the end of the Jewish age and the start of the church age. Since then, there is only one body of Christ, Jew or Gentile.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/25/11


Please give scripture that says certain ones are the elect.
---shira3877 on 2/24/11

Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Isaiah 65:22
They shall not build, and another inhabit, they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
---Trav on 2/25/11


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what must we do as non Jews for a share of the inheritance?
---aka on 2/23/11

We are told that we share in the inheritance through suffering (Romans 8:17) with Christ, enduring in our confession (Romans 10:9-10). We can suffer with Him only if we are His through faith.

God chose that Israel would suffer, and thereby receive an inheritance (Romans 9)

But some want to earn an inheritance (salvation) instead of having it bestowed on them (Romans 10:1-4)

Yet all Israel will be "saved" (inheritance) when Christ comes back after the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. They will recognize Him in faith and suffer with Him during the Tribulation (Romans 11)

Same for us and them - suffering
---James_L on 2/25/11


mark_eaton,

when i say two gospels, i am not saying two different gospels. i am saying the Good News spoken to two different audiences with two messages that eventually come together as one come together as one.

for me, it should have been realized about 2000 years ago. however, the two different audiences still use mixed scripture to claim superiority to each other.

as far mixed gospels, most people use some of jesus' words and some of paul's words to arrive at some kind of creation that is not supported 'scripturally'. then, they ignore some of what jesus said and what paul said to maintain the mishmashed doctrine.

i believe that is why the new creation cannot come together as one.
---aka on 2/24/11


amen aka, the bible says Paul is to be our pattern, and he never mentions "born again"
I believe you are right.
---michael_e on 2/24/11

Woah there fellas.

I need to come against the idea of "mixed gospels", that there is not ONE Way to God.

Paul told us:

Rom 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek"

Rom 3:29 "Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also"

Rom 9:24 "even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles"

See a pattern?
---Mark_Eaton on 2/24/11


Eternal security in Christ lies in the PROMISES of God after a man places his faith in Jesus! Not in an arbitrary election.

---CraigA on 2/24/11

Absolutely craigA, markv had is backwards.

The GIFT is Eternal life through Jesus Christ. We receive this GIFT by Faith in HIS FINISHED work on the Cross.

You are not given Eternal life first AKA Quickened together WITH CHRIST/ GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE IN CHRIST and THEN given faith to believe???? Believe what? If your already saved...what do you need to believe or have faith in???

God GAVE His Son a GIFT to who so ever believes..will not perish but have Everlasting LIFE.
---kathr4453 on 2/24/11


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"Salvation is accomplish by the Almighty power of the Triune God. The Father chose a people, the Son died for them, the Holy Spirit makes Christ's death effective by bringing the elect to faith and repentance, thereby causing them to willingly obey the gospel."---Mark_V. on 2/24/11

1).The Gospel is preached first,

2) those who receive Jesus Christ BY FAITH are then JUSTIFIED by THEIR faith Romans 4

3) are then Quickened With Christ and RAISED UP WITH HIM a New Creature***Eph 2

4)Those now saved CONTINUE to live by faith IN CHRIST where HIS LIFE now sanctifies you, because NOW Christ,whom you received is IN YOU!!. Gal 2:20
---kathr4453 on 2/24/11


--- They need to be save to complete the process.---

Have we not said the same thing many many times?

The problem is that the Spirit tell us in scripture that we can harden ourselves against his call when we hear it. (Heb 3:7-11)

Eternal security in Christ lies in the PROMISES of God after a man places his faith in Jesus! Not in an arbitrary election.

You cant turn God into a sadist just so you can maintain your own peace of mind. That is blasphemy! I hate to think so, but it may be the very reason you cant accept anything else. I hope thats not the case.

If God is a sadist (which is against Ezekiel 33:11), then mankind has TWO enemies because satan certainly wants men to burn as well.
---CraigA on 2/24/11


mark, we are all God's elect. Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. It has NOTHING to do with being elected. We are ALL elected from the foundation of the world. Please give scripture that says certain ones are the elect.
---shira3877 on 2/24/11


It is said by Kathr,

Some just believe saved means elect, and that's that...making excuses why they continue in sin"

No one who understands election, believes saved means elect. Election means they were chosen from the foundation of the world to be a special people. They need to be save to complete the process. And when they are saved, they do not believe they can sin all they want. But they admit they are forgiven sinners once they are saved.
"Salvation is accomplish by the Almighty power of the Triune God. The Father chose a people, the Son died for them, the Holy Spirit makes Christ's death effective by bringing the elect to faith and repentance, thereby causing them to willingly obey the gospel."
---Mark_V. on 2/24/11


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//what must we do as non Jews for a share of the inheritance? be 'born again' or believe as instructed by Paul, Apostle of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles?
---aka on 2/23/11 //
amen aka, the bible says Paul is to be our pattern, and he never mentions "born again"
I believe you are right.
---michael_e on 2/24/11


shhh, whisper, whisper, lets be real real quiet now and keep our salvation a secret, and not tell any body about our salvation, and maybe they too will get saved like we are...shhh, whisper whisper, lets be real real quiet now and keep this a secret...Wrong! says the Lord, for Grace not shared is grace despaired. Get up! Go out! Proclaim what great things the Lord has done for you!
---Eloy on 2/24/11


//A word here about those who seek understanding of Matthew 10:22,"... he that endureth to the end shall be saved."...you will discover that verse is speaking to the Jewish people of that time. And not to the Gentiles.//

i have got an idea.

let's apply every word of jesus to the christians today except those that do not fit in with our doctrine like...in this case...pre-tribulation rapture.

oh, yeah...that is not a new idea since manipulating God's Word to meet our doctrine has been done since the affair in the garden of eden.
---aka on 2/24/11


then, it is should be incorrect for non-jewish christians to say that they are 'born again'. jesus never instructed non-jews.

outside of the gospels, the only place born again appears in the NT is in 1 Peter, who was addressing the jews abroad.

see the issue of mixed gospels now?

what must we do as non Jews for a share of the inheritance? be 'born again' or believe as instructed by Paul, Apostle of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles?
---aka on 2/23/11


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Cluny -- "Let the redeemed of the LORD say so"
was not originally addressed to "Christians", of course.

But I AM REDEEMED and I know it. (and so is mima and many others). The NT is in agreement with Christians speaking up about their faith.
---Donna66 on 2/23/11


**\\Can you not understand this simple statement,
""Let the redeemed of the LORD say so"
---mima on 2/21/11\\

And you think this is talking about being saved in the Christian sense, mima?
---Cluny on 2/21/11

YES.
---larry on 2/23/11**

See what I've already said here today about what being saved and redeemed means in a Jewish context.
---Cluny on 2/23/11


\\Can you not understand this simple statement,
""Let the redeemed of the LORD say so"
---mima on 2/21/11\\

And you think this is talking about being saved in the Christian sense, mima?
---Cluny on 2/21/11

YES.
---larry on 2/23/11


Its never blasphemy to declare what the Lord has done.
---larry on 2/23/11


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\\If you go to the top of Chapter 10 and read down through verse 22 you will discover that verse is speaking to the Jewish people of that time. And not to the Gentiles.
---mima on 2/23/11\\

Being saved in Jewish thought was not based on having a "personal relationship with YHVH," but by being part of the saved people.
---Cluny on 2/23/11


Good point, Mima! It is easy for modern Christians to forget that Jesus' audience was primarily Jewish...there were not (nor could there be)
any "Christians" as we conceive the term, because Jesus had not yet been crucified. Jesus was sent to the "lost sheep of Israel"...
that was His stated purpose.

Matt10:22 is painfully appropriate to the Jews. It's prophesy we see being fulfilled daily, as well as in history. (Only secondarily, it may also apply to Christians who are persecuted for their faith.)
---Donna66 on 2/23/11


"The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God," (Romans 8:16) So, if the Holy Spirit bears witness with us that we are saved, it is right to say so. Also, God knows how we will come out, in the end. So, Our Father can let us know, now. "Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgement, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17) If God has made us "as He is . . . in this world," we have this assurance, not just say-so that we will be saved. So, we show it, not just say it!!!
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/23/11


A word here about those who seek understanding of Matthew 10:22,"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." If you go to the top of Chapter 10 and read down through verse 22 you will discover that verse is speaking to the Jewish people of that time. And not to the Gentiles.
---mima on 2/23/11


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Here are some verses that speak to this question of saying "I am saved".

1st. John 5:12-13, especially specially verse 13

"12- He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

"13-These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."
---mima on 2/23/11


Mat 10:22 ..... he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
---jerry6593 on 2/23/11


'many' talk of their own salvation in His name.

the 'few', talk of The Salvation and give all glory to God.

blasphemy...i don't think so.

wise?

i will leave my salvation to The Salvation.
---aka on 2/22/11


\\Does not say he did not consider himself saved yet.
It says he wants prayer that he would not disqualify himself from preaching. \\

Nice try, but no cigar.
---Cluny on 2/22/11


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Mima, I agree with the answer you gave Cluny. Paul was talking about been disqualified from preaching. Not that he didn't have salvation. The biblical meaning of salvation is broad and varied. In its simplest form the verb "to save" mean to be rescued from a dangerous or threatening situation. The ultimate salvation is accomplished by Christ who delivers us from the wrath to come (1 Thess. 1:10).
Yet the Bible uses the term salvation not only in many senses, but in many tenses. There is a sense in which we were saved from the foundation of the world: we were being saved by the work of God in history: we are saved by being sanctified or made holy: and we will be saved by experiencing the consummation of our redemption in heaven.
---Mark_V. on 2/22/11


Truth is not blasphemy: "All whom redeemed by Yhwh will say, everyone whom he redeemed from the hand of the enemy. Nor one brings not a candle and puts it under the bushel, but on a candlestick that it give light to all them in the house. Thus let shine your light in the sight of persons, that they may see your good Works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. And they overcame Satan by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives up to the death." Ps.107:2+ Mt.5:15,16+ Rv.12:11.
---Eloy on 2/21/11


Harold,
there are more than three aspects of salvation.

Our spirit is "saved" when we have faith in Christ (Eph 2:8).

Everyone will be "saved" (from bodily death) at the time of the resurrection (Rom 5:10)

We will be "saved" when we receive an inheritance from God (Rom ch 8-11)

We will be "saved" from losing rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ (James 2:12-14)

We are "saved" from our conscience when we get baptized (1Peter 3:21)

We are being "saved" from sin's influence over us (Rom 6:22)

We will also be "saved" from the presence of sin in heaven
---James_L on 2/21/11


Harold-- True. But is there any "phase" of the Christian life in which one should NOT proclaim that they are "saved"?

Those who boast of being "mature Christians" stand no taller than "new- born Christians"...at the foot of the Cross.
---Donna66 on 2/21/11


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Harold, that was great. So many do not understand WHAT they are being saved from and for.

Some just believe saved means elect, and that's that...making excuses why they continue in sin...

Yet we know in the OT Jacob was Elect, however we also know that he was not BEING SAVED from the Power of sin in him..
---kathr4453 on 2/21/11


There is a problem in some peoples understanding of salvation. Being saved is a one time event that God acts in us by grace and mercy. However, it must be known that there are three phases to salvation. When we are first saved we are delivered from the penilty of sin. Second, by his grace we are be saved continually from the power of sin in our lives. And third, in the end we will be saved from the presence of sin. In God's economy it is all complete, in man's it is any on going process.
---Harold on 2/21/11


Amen Mima! Couldn't have said it better!
---Mary on 2/21/11


Num 21:8-9 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
-Is this not a picture of our salvation in Christ?
-Would this not be an immediate effect of looking upon the cross?
1Cor 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
---micha9344 on 2/21/11


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\\Can you not understand this simple statement,
""Let the redeemed of the LORD say so"
---mima on 2/21/11\\

And you think this is talking about being saved in the Christian sense, mima?
---Cluny on 2/21/11


Can you not understand this simple statement,
""Let the redeemed of the LORD say so"
---mima on 2/21/11


Acts 13:46
Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.


You are correct Jerry that one can reject teh Gospel and Judge themselves worthy of eternal life.

But to KNOW you are saved is to give God the Highest honor and Glory man can give here..why..because it's called FAITH!!
---kathr4453 on 2/21/11


I believe that it is not wrong to say that we are saved if it is used in the context of our initial acceptance of Christ. In that moment we are washed clean of past sins and Christ has accepted us as new creations. However, the Bible says that we are to work out our salvation with fear & trembling and that faith without works is dead so it is presumptuous to believe that we have an automatic "in."
---grl on 2/21/11


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"Is it not then blasphemy for us be our own judges when we say "I am saved"?" No.
"Let the redeemed of the LORD say [so], whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy."
The NLT puts it this way "Has the LORD redeemed you? Then speak out! Tell others he has saved you from your enemies." Psa 107:2
---Josef on 2/20/11


I agree with Cluny - we are BEING SAVED. Salvation is a three-step process - Justification, Sanctification and Glorification. It's not over when, in a moment of emotional conviction, we come to Jesus. That's just the start. There's still the "Christian walk", "race for the prize", "good fight of faith", etc. by which we grow from babes to mature Christians. Glorification is only achieved when we "put on immortality" at Jesus' second coming. It ain't over 'til it's over!

While many believe that salvation is an irrevokable
"get into heaven free" card, given at their first step in the Christian walk, the Bible does not teach this.
---jerry6593 on 2/20/11


Paul tells us we can know.
Man's Problem: SIN
Rom 3:23
God's Provision: THE CROSS
I Cor. 15:3,4
God's Gift: SALVATION
Rom. 6:23
Man's Responsibility: FAITH Eph. 2:8,9
The Result: PEACE WITH GOD Rom. 5:1
The Assurance: SEALED Eph. 1:13
---michael_e on 2/20/11


Warwick: I believe that a broader definition of blasphemy is the usurpation of the prerogatives of God (Webster confirms this as a secondary definition). The Bible cites the two instances of alleged blasphemy by Jesus as claiming to be God and claiming the power of forgiveness of sins against God - both the sole province of Diety.

Scripture states:

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

If we are indeed our own judges - the ones who determine our own salvation - then we indeed usurp a prerogative of God.
---jerry6593 on 2/20/11


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No it is not blasphemy to say you are saved. 1st John tells we can KNOW you have Eternal life, and YES I KNOW I DO!

When Jesus judges the Saints, it's on our works, at the judgement seat of Christ, not the Great White Throne.

Actually the Church will be judging Angels, and will already be Glorified together with Christ at that time.

2nd Peter 1 also assures one too of their Salvation. And those who DOUBT their salvation Peter says to CHECK YOURSELF and make sure you are in the faith.
---kathr4453 on 2/20/11


The Holman Bible Dictionary defines blasphemy as "an attitude of disrespect that finds expression in an act directed against the character of God."
---Warwick on 2/19/11

Wouldn't Grave vs Works be just that?
---kathr4453 on 2/20/11


How are we to preach the good news... If we cannot say.. I am saved through Christ Jesus... But there should be humbleness too.. There but by the Grace of God Go I...I fell on the Conerstone and was broken.. but came up a builder... It is joy and wonder to proclaim your faith and Christ.. To shout it from the rooftops.. Not to be a braggard. But to proclaim.. Look what I found I want you to have it too.. That is why its the Good News.. We all want to share in it.. and to say yes I am saved.. otherwise we preach a death faith.. unable to say that we are saved.. This little light.. I going to let it shine.... Amen
---kevinwynstra on 2/20/11


Cluny this statement,"St. Paul said to one church to pray for him "lest having preached to others, I myself may be disqualified."

In other words, he didn't consider himself saved yet.

Does not say he did not consider himself saved yet.
It says he wants prayer that he would not disqualify himself from preaching.

Those who are unsure of their own salvation can never teach security of salvation to someone else.

---mima on 2/20/11


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Well, Jerry, that is an interesting demonstration of how someone can give a different interpretation than someone else. It does say God will continue His work "in" us. So, this would not be just work with money which is not "in" us. Also, it says He will continue His work "until the day of the Jesus Christ", and the Macedonian money giving was not going on until the day of Christ, I consider.

Also, we have, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:14) So, God is working in each of us, personally working in every one who is His child. And Paul says he labors "according to His working which works in me mightily," in Colossians 1:29.
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/20/11


This verse doesn't say God is going to judge our salvation. That has all ready been done. Paul was preaching on Mars Hill telling the people to get Saved because God was going to judge the world. Paul was stating, Get Saved to escape this judgement.
If Jesus has provided and given you salvation what is there for Him to judge about His gift to you?
I dont have to judge if I was born or not. That is fact. Saying that I am saved is not judgement. It is fact also.
You have looked at this verse all wrong.
---Elder on 2/20/11


Rob -- Yes, the groups you mention do not believe we are saved by GRACE alone and the shed blood of Jesus, alone... with nothing added.

If Paul had doubts about his salvation, he had no uncertainty where other Christians were concerned.
He told the Ephesians (Eph 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

How could claiming a gift from God be considered blasphemy? ALL our praises to God would, in that case, be blasphemy.
---Donna66 on 2/20/11


Why would it be blasphemy if the Spirit of God reveals to the Christian that he's been saved by God's grace through faith?

What's blasphemy is when one tells or preaches that God loves and wants to save every soul in this world but it's up to the man to choose His Son. For the Scripture does not teach such a doctrine at all.
---christan on 2/20/11


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seeing Jesus died for the sins of the world,maybe," We are saved!!!! " would be appropriate? :D
---kevin5443 on 2/20/11


I agree with Bill.

However even if it was improper to say we are saved I cannot see how it would constitute "blasphemy." The Holman Bible Dictionary defines blasphemy as "an attitude of disrespect that finds expression in an act directed against the character of God."
---Warwick on 2/19/11


Bill W is correct is stating we are SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH. I was brought up in the Church of Christ, and SDA which both reject we are saved by GRACE.
---Rob on 2/19/11


Cluny, you have the word "saved" in a vacuum. Too narrow of a definition.

Jerry, you're adding words to the text there in Acts 17:31. And, you, too, have salvation in a vacuum.

There are several aspects of salvation. If not, how could it be said in some verses that we ARE saved, yet in others there is a conditional salvation yet future?

Bill willa,
Phil 1:6 doesn't say that God will finish the work of grace that he begins in us. That verse is talking about the money that the Macedonians had given to Paul to assist in furthering the gospel. Read 1:5 and 4:15 the good work was giving money to bankroll missionary trips and support the poor saint in Jerusalem. 2Cor 8:1-3, 11:9
---James_L on 2/19/11


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The Bible says, "by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God" (in Ephesians 2:8). So, the Bible says we are "saved" . . . speaking of us "who first trusted in Christ" (in Ephesians 1:12). So, it is wise, not blasphemous, to tell people what the Bible says about us.

"being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ," (Philippians 1:6)

So, God will succeed at completing what He has begun. So, it is not blasphemy to say "I am saved," if I mean God my Judge says so, in His word.
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/19/11


Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
1Cor 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1Cor 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost,
-Ye are saved, we are saved, I am saved. No blasphemy there.
---micha9344 on 2/19/11


St. Paul said to one church to pray for him "lest having preached to others, I myself may be disqualified."

In other words, he didn't consider himself saved yet.

God willing, we can say we are BEING saved.
---Cluny on 2/19/11


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