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Is God Subject To Our Words

Isaiah Chapter 14 teaches how SATAN was cast from heaven because he wanted to be GOD and ABOVE GOD. Through the years, I have heard the Word Of Faith Movement say THEY are GODS. They also say they are not SUBJECT to the GOD OF ALL CREATION, GOD IS SUBJECT TO THEM. What are your thoughts?

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Trav ... Thank you at last for confirming your view that salvation is only for those descended from Abraham.

And thank you for quoting the passge that shows that view to be wrong.

Cannot you see that Jesus was challenging the woman? That and in answering Him correctly with faith, she had here request met?

So too will we who are not descended from Abraham be saved, if we have faith
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/15/11


Rob, to the question, that's what has happens to those who have a man centered theology. It's unusual that those who say they are Christians and life still revolve around themselves. From the time Adam ate of the fruit, everything has been out of order with man. Man seeks to use God and relate all his works for his own desires. God, has given genuine believers spiritual insight and understanding. God through the work of Christ on the Cross has put an end to the old man centered thinking, Paul explains that
"We thus judge, that one died for all, therefore all died, and he died for all, that "they which live should no longer live unto themselves," but unto Him who for them died and rose again" 2 Cor. 5:14,15).
---Mark_V. on 3/15/11


Trav ... I have not ever avoided any question that you have asked me that made sense. None did.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/14/11

Scripturally there is a reason they didn't.
Too lazy to do your own research huh. Well I don't blame ya. I had a lot of men who have pointed. It was up to me to prove right or wrong.
You won't ask GOD....hmmm.
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:26
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
Matthew 15:27
She said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
---Trav on 3/14/11


Trav, .... your whole theology that salvation is only for the Jews.
---Mark_V. on 3/14/11

Well, your spinning again what has been posted. Truth is far easier and would be less work for ya.
What I have posted time and again is that not one prophet is utilized to by you.....and Israel is more than just Judah. Pretty plain hundreds of times in scripture.
All Israel had the law,broke the law and is redeemed from the act. With hundreds of witnesses.
Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises,
Galatians 4:5
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
---Trav on 3/14/11


Trav ... I have not ever avoided any question that you have asked me that made sense. None did.

In you opinion Trav, having search the Scriptures, is salvation only for the descendants of the twelve tribes?

That I think is an understandable question. Can you answer it? Or will you continuee to refuse?
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/14/11




Trav, God does not need a GPS to find the elect. He is not lost they are. You said,
": Christ failed. He is and instructed the search for the Lost Sheep of Israel and can't find them...according to "MrkV"."
That is not according to me. That is your opinion because as you say, you don't have the answer, and that the Word of God is not clear. It is clear, Salvation is for the Jews and also for the Gentiles, you just don't want to admit it, because you know it is written in Scripture. Because if you admit it, it throws your whole theology that salvation is only for the Jews.
---Mark_V. on 3/14/11


Trav ... I am not a trained preacher, I have no theological degree or traing.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/13/11

I'm not either....thanks to GOD. They were trained by ...who? Men.
I know the teacher of all teachers.
You call me devious but have avoided every question I've posted.
You seek a judgement from me, to judge me I presume.
I can't give you an answer that is not clear in scripture and because I can't/don't speak for GOD on yours or anyones future.
Ask GOD.
Do your own research on your own subject questions. I did on mine.
Below Angels gather out....
Matthew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, them which do iniquity,
---Trav on 3/14/11


Trav ... I am not a trained preacher, I have no theological degree or traing.

Why will you not be straightforard in your replies? Please be honest and not devious in you answer.

Am I correct in thinking that you said the Jesus came to find only the lost tribes of Judah?

In that case, since I am not from those lost tribes, can I be saved?
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/13/11


Brother, God says My sheep know my voice & they Follow Me! .
A servant is Not greater than his master.
As 'children of God' we learn to be in subjection to God's Will, We keep His commandments. I understand when it says we are ' gods' because God has given us authority and dominion on the earth. God is subject to his word. So we as Born again Christians must keep our Thinking, Talking & our lives inline with The Written Word of God. Bless u! . Blessings Angel x
---Angel_x on 3/13/11


Trav ... ..
How come then that I am a Christian? ---alan8566_of_uk on 3/11/11

You're smart. You know a true GOD when you see one.
In Old Testament non-Israel people left Egypt with Israel. Drawn to David, Solomon etc.
Are you blessed, healed? Will you be? Ask. Our "GOD".
Do you pray about "you" or about "me". Why you of course. As I do.
I'll do this though...I'll pray about you. Now.
Would you go back to sacrificing chickens and worshipping carved sticks?
You want answers from me,when they are right in front of you.
You ask questions instead of answer ANY...reminds me of a self ordained preacher here cherry picking scripture.
---Trav on 3/13/11




Did Jhn lie, when he said God so loved the World, that ... whoever believes on him shall have eternal life?
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/11/11


John said this also about the (kosmos),(kosmos),kosmos world.
John 17:9
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me, for they are thine.

Jhn 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me, and they have kept thy word.

John 17:16
They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

John 10:26
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

So do you choose to believe or.....not.
---Trav on 3/13/11


One thing comes to mind: if God is subject to my words, does He do what I can mean by what I say, or does He do what He means that is so better than I can understand that I am saying in prayer?

And if God is going to do what we say, what are we going to say?? Are we going to say what Jesus says in His prayer of John chapter 17 . . . and the prayer of Paul, in Ephesians 3:14-21 and Philippians 1:9???

Or, are we first going to think of asking God for money and honey???? lolololol
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/12/11


Joshua 10

12) Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon, and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

13) And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

14) And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.
---Jasheradan on 3/12/11


God is subject to our words if our words were first his wordS.

And I get this from the following verse Isaiah 45:11,
"Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me."

If You know God's Word you can quote it back to him with full assurance that he will make his worD good.
---mima on 3/11/11


Trav ... so the lost are the other tribes other than Judah

Since I am not from one of those tribes, I am not lost. So Jesus did not come to seek for me, nor to rescue me.

How come then that I am a Christian? Have I been believing a lie, that I can be and am saved?

Did Jhn lie, when he said God so loved the World, that ... whoever believes on him shall have eternal life?
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/11/11


Trav, I gave you the gospel of, Jesus Christ. ---Mark_V. on 3/11/11

It is your gospel. You never display Christ Gospel. So I will.
Your doctrine is: Christ failed. He is and instructed the search for the Lost Sheep of Israel and can't find them...according to "MrkV".
Even you are not ignorant of the fact....now...that the lost sheep are the other 10 tribed nations other than Judah.
You're as bad as Judah...denying the obvious when it is shown. So be it.

Hebrews 8:8:8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
---Trav on 3/11/11


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Trav, I gave you the gospel of, Jesus Christ. What the Jewish rejected was given to the Gentiles. You are sticking your life for those who rejected and still reject Christ. I'm with the spiritual Church of Christ. One body, not two, One.
---Mark_V. on 3/11/11


Trav, I don't have prophets Trav, I am not in the Old Testament,..
Israel never received Christ,..
Jesus moved forward,
---Mark_V. on 3/10/11

Using your un-scriptural door keys above:
You don't have prophets,verifying you & doctrines. The rebuke/point. Where is your agreement with any prophet? You are against them. hmmmmm.
(Yes sheep have/will/are accepting the shepherd and his phrophets testifying of him). 1 Peter 2:25
For ye were as sheep going astray, but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
Matt15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Acts 15:15to this agree the words of the prophets, as it is written,
---Trav on 3/11/11


Did you really just get on a fake name to take a poke at me?
---CraigA on 3/10/11


CraigA's own use of english is not perfect. It should be independent.
---Pedant on 3/10/11


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Trav, maybe you do not like my witness which is Scripture and you want me to find some prophet to speak for me. I don't have prophets Trav, I have the very Word of God and if it is not enough for you, then nothing is. I am not in the Old Testament, I have moved forward to the New Covenant in Christ. The only precepts I follow are those given to the new believers. Israel never received Christ, and you have hung on to them. Supporting them. Jesus moved forward, and what was offered to Israel is now been offered to the whole world, if you have true saving faith.
---Mark_V. on 3/10/11


--Would Spanish be better for you to understand?
---Mark_V. on 3/10/11

I dont have a problem understanding English. My concern is for your poor use of certain English words in your responses and apparent lack of understanding in English sentence structure.

Ask yourself 2 things.

1. Is the subject of an independant clause EVER in a prepositional phrase?

2. Are "by grace" and "through faith" both prepositional phrases?

Now ask yourself what the word "it" is referring to in the phrase "it is the gift of God".
---CraigA on 3/10/11


Trav, you are reading the Psalmist feelings.
---Mark_V. on 3/10/11

Well, they match what I see missing.

You follow your precepts. You honor your logic. By your logic all are guilty...except you by "your" precept. Pick almost any post. You condemn and have no witnesses! Scriptural or otherwise.

Chose those verses because King David, HATED false PRECEPTS.
So do I. Yours,deny rather than tie. Babble is your prophet.
Ecclesiastes 10:11
Surely the serpent will bite without enchantment, and a babbler is no better.
---Trav on 3/10/11


Craig, I have never had the problems you are having, what you said you had,

"I know that when I had unrepented sin in my life, it seemed as though God had abandoned me. The Spirit was quenched and wasnt testifying to my spirit that I was a son of God anymore."

Since God came into my life, I have never felt what you have felt. Not one moment of my life. God doesn't abandon any of His children. I was not a child of God when I was a Catholic. I loved what I did and didn't want to change. I felt just like all the Catholics feel. I loved my idols, and I loved my church. I did not realize how deep I was in idolatry. God came into my life and opened my eyes to the Truth. Would Spanish be better for you to understand?
---Mark_V. on 3/10/11


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Trav, you are reading the Psalmist feelings. The same feeling all genuine believers should feel. Psalm 119:1,2. "Walk" refers to the habitual pattern of living. If a person does not feel those feelings, then to me they are not genuine Christians.
---Mark_V. on 3/10/11


...as for Trav, I don't get angry with him either because he is wrong and the Bible confirms it.
---Mark_V. on 3/5/11

The Scriptures confirm his vagueness? Not yet they haven't after over one year.

Psalm 119:104
Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every FALSE way.
I'll find mine through the "Only Teacher".
Psalm 119:45
I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
Psalm 119:56
This I had, because I kept thy precepts.
Psalm 119:63
I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts.
Psalm 119:69
The PROUD have FORGED a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart.
---Trav on 3/9/11


Mark, are you sure your passion wasnt to find eternal security in Christ because you couldnt find it as a Catholic?

I know that when I had unrepented sin in my life, it seemed as though God had abandoned me. The Spirit was quenched and wasnt testifying to my spirit that I was a son of God anymore.

The answer to my doubts was NOT to change denominations and believe a different viewpoint of salvation to get my assurance back. I fear that is exactly what you have done. I think thats why youre afraid to acknowledge scripture against what you believe. You fear you may return to being insecure again.

The answer is never to change your beliefs, its to repent of the sin that is causing the problem.
---CraigA on 3/7/11


Mark, I notice that you STILL havent responded to the sentence structures of Eph 2:8,9 that I supplied a few weeks ago. It proves to you that FAITH is not the subject of the clause "it is the gift of God".

Why will you not talk about it, Mark?

I dont wish to offend you but at times it seems you have trouble understanding English. Are you from another country?
---CraigA on 3/7/11


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Mark, Trav is teaching the same doctrine as you, just claiming a different group of people are the "elect". ---CraigA on 3/4/11

Well there is a defining, witnessed difference.
Scriptural Witnesses.
GOD'S OWN: Prophets/Apostles/Christ.
Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant's sake, Israel mine ELECT, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Isaiah 65:9
I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains:mine ELECT shall inherit it,my servants shall dwell there.
Isa 65:22.


DIFFERENCE: Provide minimum of Two Scripture witnesses on a DEFINED issue.
I require two before SERIOUS consideration.
---Trav on 3/7/11


Craig, you asked me if I could possibly be wrong even because I'm old, and you gave Eph. 2:8,9 and my answer is, "No, No, No" Craig, I'm not wrong at all. Faith to believe in Christ works on the Cross comes from God. Faith comes by hearing the Word of God, and it does not come to everyone. Check Phil. 1:29, 2 Tim. 2:25,26, It is not how old a person is, but how much he studies and how much light the Spirit gives the believer to God's Word (reveals to him). You have to have a passion to learn, and the right purpose. Again I say, "I do not know a persons heart" only God does. I do judge those who answer by their answers. And I do take into consideration that many could possibly be saved.
---Mark_V. on 3/7/11


Steven G, are you so foolish to believe that God is not hearing you? Did you stop to think about God before you answered me? At least for a moment. You didn't. Because what was in your heart came out from your mouth.

"For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a man" Mark 7:21-23.

Do you not understand that when you say what you do to a brother, at least five of those you commit? And what do they do? They defile a man. You killed me Steven, just as Cain killed his brother.
---Mark_V. on 3/7/11


OK, folks. Let's leave Mark V. waddle in his own beliefs and allow God to take care of him and his reprobate mind. Pray for him that the Holy Spirit will guide him in the right direction and come to his spiritual sense.

Mark V., pray like you never prayed before to come to the truth of spiritual matters before Jesus returns - and that ain't very long. Your eternal life depends upon it.
---Steveng on 3/6/11


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Mark V. "I read what you say about the Church and it bothers me that a person who claims to be a Christian can speak against the gathering of believers in Churches."

There you go twising my posts around. When will you ever learn that by doing so you are acting like satan who also twists things around. I have never said I was against the gathering of christians. You have twisted my post around to make people believe in so. I have pity on your heart of stone.
---Steveng on 3/6/11


Mark, theres no possibility that *you* have misinterpreted scripture? Look at what you have done with Eph 2:8,9 claiming that "faith" is "the gift of God".

You are my age. Don't be so foolish and arrogant to think at OUR age WE know everything about scripture. We're still the "teenagers" of the Christian family. We "know everything" but in reality probably know very little.

When someone backs you in a corner in your beliefs and you respond by calling them "unsaved" or "without light" it makes you look very spiritually immature.

If you are condescending to the bloggers here do you honestly expect polite reponses?
---CraigA on 3/5/11


Steven G, again you are mistaken, I do not condemn you. I judge what you say against Scripture. I try to correct and when I do I do it in a kind way. I don't seat at home thinking what stupid remarks I can see to you. I read what you say about the Church and it bothers me that a person who claims to be a Christian can speak against the gathering of believers in Churches. And you do that. That is not a condemnation but a correction. Brothers and sisters should correct someone when they are wrong and you are wrong.
---Mark_V. on 3/5/11


Craig, I am never angry. never, even when someone cuts in front of me on the highway. What I do instead of getting angry, I pray they don't kill someone, as for Trav, I don't get angry with him either because he is wrong and the Bible confirms it. You see Craig, I know many that answer are not saved, just by hearing how they answers concerning the Gospel. I cannot see their hearts, but I can judge if what they say is Scriptural concerning the gospel. If they have the wrong gospel they have nothing. I don't get angry because of that. I do not control their destiny, God does. If they answer wrong, its two things, they have interpreted Scripture wrong due to former bias believes, or they are not saved and have no light in them.
---Mark_V. on 3/5/11


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Oh come now , Mark. Youre just angry because Trav's "elect" wouldnt include you. And yet you dont have the insight to see that is EXACTLY what your "truth" does to others. Doesnt feel good does it?

Jesus Christ died for the sins of every man (Heb 2:9)(1 John 2:2) and you would DARE suggest that He didnt, pushing some people away from the only grace that will save them? Have you lost your mind?

Your unwillingness to admit you might be wrong (because your pride would be hurt) has obviously surpassed your fear of eternal condemnation if you are wrong. That is a dangerous place for ANY man to be in, I dont care what his denomination is.
---CraigA on 3/5/11


Mark_V.: "Trav, you speak false words. I have no power to condemn anyone."

You have condenmed me plenty of times. You condenmed me: for not reading/studying the bible, for persecuting the Church of Christ, for being against the gathering of believers, for speaking against his church, for bringing people to search for keywords in the bible, for telling the truth by quoting verses, for not going to a denominational church, and on and on.

And then, like satan himslef, you twist my posts to condenm me.
---Steveng on 3/4/11


Craig, you are correct in one thing, the only difference is that the Elect come from all corners of the world and from every nation and every denomination, and only God knows who they are.
You say, I'm getting a dose of my own medicine is a sarcastic remark towards me, and has no room with God, for it does not come from God, but from the flesh as many others do when they answer me. If you walked in the Spirit you would not have even thought of saying that. You would have spend your time speaking for God. But you could not help yourself, the flesh won.
---Mark_V. on 3/5/11


Mark, Trav is teaching the same doctrine as you, just claiming a different group of people are the "elect".

I actually find this quite amusing. Youre getting a dose of your own medicine and you now see the problem with it.
---CraigA on 3/4/11


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MarkV ... You say to Trav "You want everyone to believe salvation is only for Jews"

That is the impression that I have got, but not quite, for I think he says salvation is only for descendants of Abraham, which is a wider group than Jews, which he says are only sons of Judah.

Be that as it may, I have tried to get him to confirm whether we, not being descendants of Abraham, can or can't be saved, but he will not answer.

I think he has tied himself up in knots!
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/3/11


Trav, you speak false words. I have no power to condemn anyone. I am but a vessel. Nothing more. I put down God's Word. You want everyone to believe salvation is only for Jews. Sorry but you are wrong. The fact is that many of the Jews will never make it in. Jesus is the Spiritual Israel. And all those who are saved, become the spiritual Israel of God. They become one in body, with Jesus as the Head of that body, the bride of Christ. The Church.
---Mark_V. on 3/3/11


Trav, I do not attempt to change people.
All I give is the Truth and God does the rest. ---Mark_V. on 3/1/11

You assume everyone studys/perceives/digest as you do.
Here again "teacher". Truth is witnessed "truth" as GOD's OT Prophets,Apostles and Christ, you go against these.
So I see "your" truth.
Saying you do not want to change people....but, condemn/judge many but yourself. See your "truth".
Your truth is your understanding....which cannot be improved upon even by GOD's witnesses. Perceiving urself a teacher not a student.
1 Tim 1:7
Desiring to be teachers of law, understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
---Trav on 3/2/11


Trav, I do not want anyone to do as I do, or as I want. It would be impossible. God gave us our own character. I do not attempt to change people. All I give is the Truth and God does the rest. I do not speak for the house of Judah, or the devorced ones, I speak to only those that can hear and see. As for Israel, God says, "Yet the Lord has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear, to this very day." And guess what?
Only those that God circumcises their hearts, will be saved, whether Jew or Gentile, "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against "all" ungodliness and unrighteousness of men.
---Mark_V. on 3/1/11


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This is the supreme flaw of the Word of Faith Movement. They assume they know the will of God in every situation and that their speech is what brings it into existence... (as if God had turned the world over to them to manage.)
They remind me of those Paul describes (Rom 1:21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful, but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:2Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator..

They may be genuine Christians, but IMHO, they have turned faith into presumption.
---Donna66 on 2/28/11


Eloy,..People are ready to listen to some of the things you have to say but they don't want condemnations..
---Mark_V. on 2/27/11

Mima, here is the problem you and many others have. You put God in a box.<---Mark_V. on 2/25/11

Haz, .and most of all you call God a liar. I did not say it, God did. You call God a liar.
---Mark_V. on 2/28/11

Steven G, again you sin. ---Mark_V.
on 2/27/11

I do though disagree with kathr on just about everything.
It isn't because I think I know more then her, but because the Truth is twisted for a lie, .
So for the purpose of the Truth I answer her.
---Mark_V. on 2/1/11

(Don't do as he does.... do what he says. A legend in his own mind).
---Trav on 2/28/11


Eloy, I really loved how you explained the power of God and not once did you condemned anyone for anything. People are ready to listen to some of the things you have to say but they don't want condemnations. Explaining this points of God is very important because many others have not heard them. For many have God tide up, and use Him when they want to, some even order Him around. The rest of the time they forget Him altogether.
---Mark_V. on 2/27/11


mima, But I already proved you wrong by quoting where God himself had sent a lying spirit in order to deceive the king. For God can indeed lie because he is ALL Mighty, not some mighty, nor a little power, but ALL POWERFUL, that means he has the power to lie to kill to destroy to do evil as well as to tell the truth to resurrect to create to do good: "Now therefore, note, Yhwh has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets, and Yhwh has spoken evil against you. Evil pursues sinners: but to the righteous good will be repaid." II Chron.18:22+ Pv.13:21.
---Eloy on 2/25/11


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Let mean clarify God's power: Because God sends evil upon the evil, this does not mean in any way that that God himself is evil, for he is always righteous. When Jesus created hell and the eternal lake of fire and brimstone for unrepented sinners, that does not mean that God is evil, no, but on the contrary it shows his holy virtue in executing right and perfect judgment upon those deserving it. He gives mankind an average lifespan of 70 years upon the earth to get right with God and do good, so if mankind chooses evil then that is what they receive for themself, a thousand unspeakable evils.
---Eloy on 2/26/11


---Mark_V. no man can put God in a box however God himself can put himself in a box. And that box consists of words which Almighty God has spoken. For example, God's Word says he cannot lie. Now that's what it means he cannot lie not that he will not lie, not that he may not lie, not that he may lie a little, no no no it means he cannot(it is an impossibility) lie. So when considering what is limiting to God consider his word as self-imposed limitations.
---mima on 2/25/11


God is not subject to any one/spirit/thing. HE made them all and cannot stoop to any. ALL others are beneath him. But note (1) God is the greatest and the greatest Minister of all, i.e. HE does more for us than we do for HIM Mark 10:44-45. (2) When God gives an instruction, and you act on it, HE follows your action of faith with all HE has prepared before giving you instruction. This i feel is what some say in error, "God is subject to human words".
---Adetunji on 2/25/11


Mima, here is the problem you and many others have. You put God in a box. Relate to Him as if He were man living through time. And that comes from not having an understanding of who God is. Again, I am not saying you are not saved, but have little knowledge of who God is. First of all He made a plan. It is complete before Him since He is outside of time. He sees all of it as present. He does not learn anything for He is all knowing already. So how can He be bound by anything since He is not a person of time? And since He already knows everything? He knows the beginning and the end of everything. For it is written. What we see in time, is what He planned for us to see, hear and learn. It's finished as far as He is concern with no mistakes.
---Mark_V. on 2/25/11


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mima, lit.Hb: "Woe human who strives with his Spirit! A pot shard among the potshards of the earth! Will clay say to its Spirit, What are you making? or your work, The person has no hands? Woe person who says to father, What fathering you? or to the woman, What have you brought forward? Thus says Yhwh, the Holy One of Israel, and his Spirit, Do you ask me the things to come concerning my sons? and concerning the work of my hands do you all command me? I have made the earth and created man upon it: I, my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host I have commanded. I have raised up man in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways." Is.45:9-13. Please Read- Is.40:13,14+ 55:8-11.
---Eloy on 2/24/11


Eloy you say God is not bound by anything, but the Scriptures say in Isaiah 45:11,"Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me."
---mima on 2/24/11


mima, God is not bound by any thing at all, else God would not be Almighty. Man does Not tell God what to do, but the Almighty tells man what to do: for God will do whatsoever he pleases. As far as trust, those on God's side trust him, and those antiGod ought not to trust him, for he will recompense evil to them and not good. "Now therefore, note, Yhwh has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets, and Yhwh has spoken evil against you. Evil pursues sinners: but to the righteous good will be repaid." II Chron.18:22+ Pv.13:21.
---Eloy on 2/23/11


Eloy, God is bound by His promises. and it's man who cannot thwart the promises of God.

God said Jesus is coming back, and you Can put that promise in the bank.

God cannot LIE, and if He already promised something, to not do it would make God a Liar. God swore by no ther but Himself....Hebrews!

God Promised a Redeemer, and God sent one....
---kathr4453 on 2/24/11


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mima, God is not bound by any thing at all, else God would not be Amighty. Man does Not tell God what to do, but the Almighty tells man what to do: for God will do whatsoever he pleases. As far as trust, those on God's side trust him, and those antiGod ought not to trust him, for he will recompense evil to them and not good. "Now therefore, note, Yhwh has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets, and Yhwh has spoken evil against you. Evil pursues sinners: but to the righteous good will be repaid." II Chron.18:22+ Pv.13:21.
---Eloy on 2/23/11


No, God is not subject to our words he is subject to his own words, known to us as promises or truth.
---larry on 2/23/11


If it were true that God is not bound by his word then God's Word could not be trusted. The reason being if he is not bound by his word he can change his word which of course he will never do. This also speaks to why his word is given. His word is so sure that we can make sure all things by his word.
---mima on 2/23/11


I do not know if you are representing correctly what they "have said". But Jesus did quote the scripture where God says to His people, "I said, 'You are gods'" (see John 10:34-35). Then, "If He called them gods,

. . . to whom the word of God came,"

Jesus Himself goes on to say. So, I would make sure I let each person speak for oneself, and not make general statements about people I do not personally know.

Isaiah 55:11 does say,

"So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth . . .
It shall accomplish what I please."

So, if God's word includes what He has us saying in prayer and speaking, He will do what He means by what He has us saying (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/23/11


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God does not need mans permission, God does not need anything else he would not be God. He can speak one word and All that he has made can completely vanish. LI laugh at the foolishness of puny little tiny pieces of clay thinking and saying that they are something at all against their Almighty God. God does not need permission from his own creation for anything at all. Shall the clay instruct to the potter?
---Eloy on 2/23/11


Therefore, God needs man's permission to act here on earth. Whatever is bound on earth is bound in heaven, they quote.


---James_L on 2/23/11

Yep, and when the WOF people speak, or command God to Jump...God then says " How High"!!
---kathr4453 on 2/23/11


\\James L wrote,"They have the idea that because man was given dominion (domination) over the earth, that God has bound Himself by His own word. He has no "legal authority" here because He gave it to man."\\

Dominion over the earth is NOT the same thing as dominion over God.

And God is NOT bound by anything, as He is totally free.

But the idea that the deities were bound by something--usually called "necessity" by the Greeks--is specifically a pagan one.
---Cluny on 2/23/11


James L wrote,"They have the idea that because man was given dominion (domination) over the earth, that God has bound Himself by His own word. He has no "legal authority" here because He gave it to man."

I believe that God has bound himself by his own words. ButI also believe that God retains all "legal authority" and that "legal authority" is clearly outlined in the Word of God.(Bible)
---mima on 2/23/11


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This teaching of the Word of Faith movement has been more systematically presented recently.

They have the idea that because man was given dominion (domination) over the earth, that God has bound Himself by His own word. He has no "legal authority" here because He gave it to man.

Therefore, God needs man's permission to act here on earth. Whatever is bound on earth is bound in heaven, they quote.

Myles Munroe has a 1-hour teaching on the issue "Purpose of Prayer". You can search for it in the net, six 10-minute clips
---James_L on 2/23/11


It sounds like they are deluded. For the Most High God, is the Most High, and he is not subject to any one nor any thing.
---Eloy on 2/23/11


Mima


If your not subject to or in subjection to God how can you be saved ?

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

False doctrine can and will send you to hell

Mt 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

God bless, Paul
---paul on 2/22/11


"They also say they are not SUBJECT to the GOD OF ALL CREATION, GOD IS SUBJECT TO THEM. "
I have never heard anyone says this, to do so would of course be foolish. No where in scripture is it written or implied that The Creator is in any way subject to His creation. It is written concerning Jesus that while in His own country " He could do no mighty work there, [because of their unbelief is implied] except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them." Mar 6:5 However I believe that the lack of work was simply His choice rather than an inability. Mat 13:58
---Josef on 2/22/11


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LOL! Good way to put it Cluny :D
---Mary on 2/21/11


This is just one of the many errors of the Blab it and grab it movement.
---Cluny on 2/21/11


The Bible says in John 10:34-35, that we are gods. This small gods is meaning that when we are born again, we take on God's name, character, nature, attrabutes. However, this does NOT mean that we are God or that we are not subject to God. If they are saying this, they go AGAINST the Bible, and are of the DEVIL, NOT God.
---Leslie on 2/21/11


I know one thing absolutely,God is sovereign,meaning that he can change his mind,but as of this moment in history,or reality Gods plan is salvation thru jesus.
---tom2 on 2/21/11


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They are in for a rude awakening unless their eyes are opened to their misconceptions. This type of thing has been happening on a regular basis since the Fall.
---grl on 2/21/11


To say lost may be too strong. But certainly they or wrong in their teachings.
They are in fact are teaching heresy.

On the question of whether or not God is subject to our word this much can be said. If your words agree with the will of God then certainly he is subject to your words.
In the realm of spirituality the big thing to consider is whether or not you are in agreement with God's will. For example you are always in agreement with God's will when you pray for someone's salvation. Because it is not God's will that any should perish!!!!
---mima on 2/21/11


lost,lost,lost,again I say lost.
---tom2 on 2/20/11


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