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Idolatry To Wear A Cross

Is it idolatry to wear a cross or a good luck charm?

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The cross is a reminder of Jesus' sacfrifice for us.
At the time everyone was doing as they saw fit, progressively compounding error throughout every generation.
Maybe it was Gods' way of giving us something tangible to hold close. Jesus is loving and gentle, as our Almighty Father is. Jesus always wanted to teach and exemplify mercy and compassion and patience.
If there was more of Christ in our hearts, we would be far better as a species.
Now that technology and greed are twisting our priorities, we need to focus more than ever on praise and worship of this symbol of charity, not so much on materialism or images, but on the message of redemption, resolve and virtue.
---danny-o on 3/24/11


Consider the real mean of 'idolatry'!

It means WORSHIPPING an idol......

Anything may be cosidered an idol, but if it is WOSHIPPED, it is NOT idolatry!
And to WEAR is not to WORSHIP!
---Peter on 3/24/11


Somewhere along the way, the term 'luck' has replaced the word blessings.

Why the fervor? Why the insistance on maintaining a symbol of grace and forgiveness and humility and suffering, of kindness and patience?
Maybe evil forces are trying to wipe out evidence of what happened and the road to salvation to distract our minds into no longer searching for these qualities by abolishing reference to God through Jesus Christ the only truth.

With virtue and obedience to Gods precepts come blessings.

With immorality and ignorance come curses.

Life has flourished over the course of the last few centuries, due in part to propagation of the Word of God. When we begin to suppress this, life will begin decline.
---danny-o on 3/24/11


I have a beautiful blue sapphire cross my brother gave me before he passed. I don't worship it....but I wear it. I love the cross and what Jesus did for me on the cross. When I wear it I think of my brother and my brother gave it to me because I love the cross.
---shira3877 on 3/24/11


Mark_V.* That is true. Millions of Catholics are ignorant to what the Church teaches, if they knew the Truth of God's Word,

Mark just because millions of Catholic's don't believe in your fallible man-centered interpretation of scripture does not make us ignorant

Mark_V.* They need the Word of God and the Holy Spirit to reveal the Truth to them.

What is the pillar and ground of the Truth according to the word of God? Is it the Bible? Hint (1 tim 3:15) So who are we to believe, the Bible or Mark V?
---Ruben on 3/24/11




Having just read Mark V's Post to Ruben. I wish to state my total agreement with Mark V statement. After witnessing to many many different people I have never found a more ignorant people about what their church believes and teaches than the Roman Catholics. The Roman Catholic Church depends on the ignorance of its followers.
---mima on 3/24/11


Ruben, I was not speaking about OSAS or Sola Scriptura. When you want to speak about them I'm all for it. We were speaking about the Scriptures you gave. About "been there, done that" I have been there Ruben. You are right on one thing when you said:

"No, I am speaking to someone who was ignorant to her teaching."

That is true. Millions of Catholics are ignorant to what the Church teaches, if they knew the Truth of God's Word, they would leave also. Hardly anyone studies to be approve. Without the Word of God they are ignorant. They need the Word of God and the Holy Spirit to reveal the Truth to them. The Spirit reveals the Truth not "she". She reveals reveals her traditions.
---Mark_V. on 3/24/11


andy3996, do you ask your friends to pray for you or your intentions? We consider the saints our friends and ask them to pray for us in the same way.
---Philomena on 3/23/11


Heb12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
"despising the shame"
Gal3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
"cursed"
It was a shameful and cursed thing for our Holy and Righteous Saviour to hang on that cruel cross. I thank God that Christ declared "It is finished".
I, myself, serve a risen saviour!
If you want to wear a cross that is up to you. The cross was an execution tool. It's Christ that wrought redemption.
---trey on 3/22/11


Ruben "We do, where in that scripture verse that it say to pray only to the Father and no one else?"

if you have a bible read exodus 20 and explain to me what it means read also judges 10.14, isaiah 44, ezekiel 8.10, collosians 2.18, Jeremiah 7.18, and 44.7-19.
---andy3996 on 3/22/11




Luke 11:1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
I only see prayer the the Father. Does anyone have examples of prayers to the physically dead?
Deuteronomy 6:15 (For the LORD thy God [is] a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.
---micha9344 on 3/17/11


SO BASSICALLY catholics pray to their saints in the name of GOD. what about Jesus Command to pray to the Father in Jesus name?
---andy3996 on 3/14/11


We do, where in that scripture verse that it say to pray only to the Father and no one else?
---Ruben on 3/16/11


Mark_V.* Ruben, you try to change the meaning of passages for your defense which is very wrong, just to support idols.

And this is coming from someone who believes in OSAS, Sola Scriptura both which are 'not' taught in scripture!

Mark v* You are speaking to an ex-catholic. Been there, done that.

No, I am speaking to someone who was ignorant to her teaching.
---Ruben on 3/16/11


Ruben, you try to change the meaning of passages for your defense which is very wrong, just to support idols.
Matthew 10:38 Jesus was not teaching that everyone of them take a literal cross and follow Him or to wear a Cross around their necks. He was demanding total commitment from them, even unto physical death. The same call to life or death devotion to Christ is repeated in (16:24, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23.)
The other two passages you gave is part of the gospel they are teaching. That include Jesus dying on the Cross. The RCC is not teaching the gospel with idols. They are worshiping the idols themselves. You are speaking to an ex-catholic. Been there, done that.
---Mark_V. on 3/15/11


First the wearing of a cross means nothing.

What does it mean to take up our cross and follow JESUS? Does it mean that when Madonna wears a cross she is following JESUS?

No. When we die to self when as if we are nailed to the instrument of death and live instead to JESUS then we are following JESUS.

Jewelry can be idolotry or it can be just jewlery. The important point is to we follow JESUS?
---Samuel on 3/14/11


Dulia: honor given to saints. We ask them to intercede through their prayers and honor them for being holy men/ women who lived for Christ.

Hyperdulia: honor given the Virgin Mary alone. She is recognized as the greatest of all the saints in terms of her intercessory power and rank. (ex.Saying a Hail Mary)

Latria: honor and adoration due God alone - as creator of all things, as savior of the world, as governor of the universe. "We worship you, we give you thanks we praise you for your glory."

Giving "Latria" to Mary or the saints would be idolatry.

SO BASSICALLY catholics pray to their saints in the name of GOD. what about Jesus Command to pray to the Father in Jesus name?
---andy3996 on 3/14/11


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We have a logical winner!
God bless!
---Dave_Orwell on 3/8/11


Is your faith in Him or the cross. It cant be both.
---dave on 3/6/

Why not? Bible has both!

Matt. 10:38 - Jesus said, "he who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me."

Luke 14:27 - Jesus said, "whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple."

1 Cor. 1:23- Paul preaches a Christ crucified, not just risen.

1 Cor. 2:2 - Paul preaches Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne " Rev 5:6
---Ruben on 3/7/11


//If cross wasnt a graven image,then we would find them all over the place created by God// Non sequitur!

//Take up yur cross and follow me// Who said that?
---Pedant on 3/6/11


If cross wasnt a graven image,then we would find them all over the place created by God. If I am crucified,I would not wont to come back and see everyone wearing the idol I died on around their necks. It was a method of death for murderers,rapist,child molesters,stc. Your Christ was labeled as one of these bad people and you serenade Him with a cross around your neck. Is your faith in Him or the cross. It cant be both. The spirit of God dwells within you. No relic,idol,book or mega church can bless you like He can. 'Little children,stay away from idols'. God bless you all. Let it be so.
---dave on 3/6/11


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From the Catholic Answers website:

Dulia: honor given to saints. We ask them to intercede through their prayers and honor them for being holy men/ women who lived for Christ.

Hyperdulia: honor given the Virgin Mary alone. She is recognized as the greatest of all the saints in terms of her intercessory power and rank. (ex.Saying a Hail Mary)

Latria: honor and adoration due God alone - as creator of all things, as savior of the world, as governor of the universe. "We worship you, we give you thanks we praise you for your glory."

Giving "Latria" to Mary or the saints would be idolatry.
---Philomena on 3/3/11


Christian, I agree with your answers and disagree Igantius ,

"Exodus 20:4-5 (graven images) is never used in reference to any of the images in the temple. So clearly the reference here is to pagan images rather than images in general."
Come, make us gods who will go before us" V. 32:1. Aaron did what they wanted. And was said,
"these are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt" v.4. That brought God's wrath why? What had the people done? They had made an image that was meant to represent God. They were not trying to create a new god, but rather, to represent in an image the God who had set them free. They were not worshiping a pagan god from Egypt, but God their Deliverer.
---Mark_V. on 3/4/11


Philomena 3/2/11 "We venerate relics, which is a great deal more than just accepting their historical value. We do not worship relics".
Now could you explain to me the difference between worshipping and venerating? since it seems to me that there is a great stress laid by those enerating items that it is not the same as to worship.
---andy3996 on 3/3/11


I have to disagree about relics. We venerate relics, which is a great deal more than just accepting their historical value. We do not worship relics. From scripture: "the man was cast into the grave of Elisha, and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood on his feet" (2 Kgs. 13:20-21)." God has indeed used the relics of His holy ones over the course of time.
---Philomena on 3/2/11


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Christan said "The cross was an instrument of death during Christ's time. If Christ was to die by the bullet or the chair or the noose, are you going to make a "graven image" out of it and wear it, and say I'm a Christian?" YES!
the ten commandments do not forbid to make a graven image, yet it does forbid to make a graven image and to make obeisance towards it. an image is nothing but a dead object, and should not be dressed, carried, kissed, prayed at, invoked in times of troubles, put at the entrance to keep the evil eye out, and so forth.the same is vallid for all relics that abound worldwide. they are not nessecarely wrong, but no respect should be given next to that of historical value.
---andy3996 on 3/2/11


Num 21:8-9 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
1 Corinthians 10:31
---micha9344 on 2/27/11


\\Cluny, I'm sorry but I do not see the connection of the cross (which is the topic here) and the computer you are trying to make. But I will use Scripture to answer "You don't think it dropped down out of heaven, do you?"

"John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven." John 3:27\\

And you think your computer was given to you from heaven?

Then my crosses and Holy Icons were given me from heaven.
---Cluny on 2/26/11


It's always interesting to me that people use the text about "graven images" from Exodus and never question why God asked Moses to make a bronze serpent in Numbers. Why would God go against His own command and ask Moses to create a "graven image"? Answer: because it's not a pagan idol!
---Philomena on 2/26/11


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"I'm sorry but I do not see the connection of the cross (which is the topic here) and the computer you are trying to make" (Christian)

You don't understand what Cluny meant? A computer is a human invention which project images to a individual via a screen that is attached to it. Your personal interpretation of the second commandment would forbid one having a computer.

It would also forbid having photographs of your loved ones/pets/landscapes, driver's license or to own picture cover books.

The Hebrew and LXX texts already tell us what the second commandment means, and it doesn't fit with your interpretation. Sorry.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/26/11


Cluny, I'm sorry but I do not see the connection of the cross (which is the topic here) and the computer you are trying to make. But I will use Scripture to answer "You don't think it dropped down out of heaven, do you?"

"John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven." John 3:27

"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." John 15:5
---chriistan on 2/26/11


\\The image of the cross is a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles (1 Cor 1:23). We preach Christ-crucified (ibid)
\\

And I've pointed out that the Slavonic version of this text reads, "The very word Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...."

If the actual word "Cross" is so foolish, how much more its image to those who perish?

And what does a Cross or Crucifix do but preach Christ without words?
---Cluny on 2/25/11


\\If "any graven image" does not imply things made by hands, I do not know what does. \\

Then this implies the very computer you are using, christan. You don't think it dropped down out of heaven, do you?

I suppose there's no point in asking you about the photo on your driver's license, or any other snapshots in your home.
---Cluny on 2/25/11


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As I have pointed before in this site, The Greek Translation of the Old Testament (LXX) (used almost exclusively by Jesus, & the Holy Apostles) render Exodus 20:4-5 as referring to Idols specifically ("eidoloi") and the Hebrew word "pesel" (graven images) is never used in reference to any of the images in the temple. So clearly the reference here is to pagan images rather than images in general.

Do you have pictures of your loved ones or a driver's license? Using your logic, it is idolatry even to have pictures of your loved ones , even pictures of your pets and carrying a picture license. Why are you on a computer, if it is projecting a "image" made by man?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/25/11


#2

We find evidence that Old Testament Jewish liturgical services involves Holy Icons and Statues ((Ex. 25:18, Ex. 26:1,37, 1st Kings 6:23,29,32, 1st Kings 7:29,36). Holy Icons enriched the Tabernacle and then later in the Temple. The Second Commandment forbid making a image AND worshiping it (the LXX makes this clear), not a condemnation of all images.

The image of the cross is a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles (1 Cor 1:23). We preach Christ-crucified (ibid)

In IC.XC.,
---IGNatius on 2/25/11


\\It's not commanded to shave my head, let it grow, have a mustache or a beard,\\

Actually, there's a verse in the OT about a grown man not shaving his beard or "marring the corners of his head" which is why the Hasidim wear earlocks......

My only comment is that God knows what a grown man's face is supposed to look like.
---Cluny on 2/25/11


"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." Exodus 20:4

If "any graven image" does not imply things made by hands, I do not know what does. And when God gave this command, did He need to specifically say "the cross" is included? However, Scripture says, "Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree." Galatians 3:13.

The cross was an instrument of death during Christ's time. If Christ was to die by the bullet or the chair or the noose, are you going to make a "graven image" out of it and wear it, and say I'm a Christian?
---christan on 2/25/11


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Where does scripture forbid us to wear things that remind us of Gods grace and love?
---CraigA on 2/24/11


It's not commanded to shave my head, let it grow, have a mustache or a beard, wear blue jeans or khakis, use a computer or a phone, drive a car, ride a horse or just walk.
Discernment must play an important role in our everyday activities. Why are we doing what we do?
1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
Rom 14:21 [It is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
---micha9344 on 2/24/11


Looks like I had better repent for having a "Security Blanket" when I was younger.

I would post a cartoon of the Peanuts' character Linus with his blanket. However, the ChristiaNet rules forbid that.

The way I see things, we all might have some things that are more-or-less idolatry according to the Bible.

Blankets, Rings, Charms, Glamorous Jewelry, Collectors Items, Cars, Sports Memorabilia, etc.

May GOD forgive me for my being involved in this idolatry because of my "security blanket". Amen.
---Sag on 2/24/11


How strange that when it suits the blogger, the absence of a biblical command it taken to be a prohibition.

Yet they will happily blog, when the bible has no command that we use the internet.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/24/11


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\\There's nowhere in Scripture that imposed such a command to Christians at all, but Scripture in fact warns us of such things.\\

Please give book, chapter, and verse that says, "Thou shalt not wear a cross."
---Cluny on 2/24/11


The question to this blog was "Is it idolatry to wear a cross or a good luck charm?" And the simple answer according to Scripture is Yes.

There's nowhere in Scripture that imposed such a command to Christians at all, but Scripture in fact warns us of such things.

---christan on 2/24/11

Thanks for your mentioning this. I seem to get rather strange reactions when I explain WHY I do NOT wear a cross, necklace, JESUS tatoo, etc.

I think that all that is "worldly tradition" that the Bible warns us to avoid!
---Augie on 2/24/11


The question to this blog was "Is it idolatry to wear a cross or a good luck charm?" And the simple answer according to Scripture is Yes.

No one is questioning the death of Christ at Calvary, and that by dying on the cross, He conquered death. That's a given. But to somehow try and associate or mix the atonement of Christ with a graven image is completely unbiblical. There's nowhere in Scripture that imposed such a command to Christians at all, but Scripture in fact warns us of such things.

Paul warns about such man-made traditions, "This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you. A little leaven leavens the whole lump." Galatians 5:8,9
---christan on 2/24/11


Wearing a cross is not idolatry.It is a joyful & bold declaration of Christian Faith.A declaration that you are a follower of Christ.A sign of victory over death & sin & satan.I agree that some may say that Jesus is in their hearts & they do not have to show Him externally.They show Him through their works & words.If you are proud to show Jesus in this way,then what stops you from displaying the sign of the cross when you are also silent & motionless or asleep.Do not be ashamed to wear a cross when Our Lord Jesus was not ashamed to die for you but wear it with humility.Be humbled that He died for you but be joyful in that He conquered death & sin.
---jude_brian_albuquerque on 2/24/11


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Geraldin, as allready mentioned to wear a cross as a good luck charm is not acceptable. Howeve ifyou wanna make a statement about you faith to show whom you trust i think it is even encouraged (pick up your cross daily if you wish to be worthy of Christ)
---andy3996 on 2/24/11


Wedding rings have a pagan origin, so I hope you're not wearing one of those things either.
---John.usa on 2/23/11


There's a story about someone looking for a cross to give as a baptismal gift.

The counter girl asked, "Do you want a plain one or one with a little man on it?"

SHEESH!
---Cluny on 2/23/11


This is like the tattoo question where we look for explicit direction when we don't have discernment.
Wisdom is what is needed here.
First of all the cross represents the crucifixion, when our redemption was complete at the resurrection. So the charm has missed the target.
It would be more appropriate for a rolled away stone as a charm.
---larry on 2/23/11


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For many Christians, the cross is a cherished symbol and reminder of Christs sacrifice on our behalf. Wearing it with this in mind is not idolatry.

Many who wear crosses today are not Christians nor even pretend to be. But those without faith don't "idolize" the cross. They may consider it "lucky", but most likely it's more a matter of "fashion" to them.
---Donna66 on 2/23/11


Well,I got two thoughts on this.First,it would be idolatry if you are just wearing the cross as a good luck charm and wearing it like it itself will get you to heaven.Secondly,If you are wearing a cross like a necklace whether it is just a cross or Jesus on the cross because of what Jesus did for us and you do it out of love for Jesus,then i don't think it is idolatry. As for tatoo's,that i don't agree with in doing or believe in doing.But i also think it don't look good as you get older either.I have necklaces that has a cross,jesus on the cross.I know he isn't on the cross anymore,but i wear it out of love for Him and for what he did for us.Some may disagree with that,it is each person's conviction and opinion on that.Not everyone is the same.
---angea on 2/23/11


It is not idolatry to wear a cross, as it is a sign of our redemption. I wear a Russian Orthodox cross myself, and I sign myself with the cross several times a day (before prayers, before eating, etc), as was the custom of the Early Christians.

As Saint Paul wrote, the cross is a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles (1 Cor 1:23).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/23/11


\\I do not believe in idolizing the cross. If our Lord Jesus would have been beaten to death with a club would you want to wear an image of the club?
---mima on 2/23/11\\

St. Paul said that the very word "Cross" (as it reads in the Slavonic) is foolishness to those who are perishing.

How much more its image to such people?
---Cluny on 2/23/11


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\\Yes, I do think that this IS idolatry. \\

Would your thinking it to be idolatry actually make it so if it really were NOT idolatry to start with?
---Cluny on 2/23/11


Yes, I do think that this IS idolatry.

Actually, I have the opposite problem. It seems like everyone -- except me -- has some sort of: body art, jewelry, tatoo, fashionable clothing, weird hairdo, etc. Even among Christians at church: Men, Women, Boys, and Girls. Some young toddlers now have this junk on their bodies too.

While none of this is illegal, I don't believe that it is necessary either. My faith, and trust, in Jesus Christ is NOT determined by what I do, or do not, wear.

I prefer to just be myself and live for Jesus Christ. Not for a cross around my neck.
---Augie on 2/23/11


I don't see nothing wrong with a lapel cross.

What Is sickening is, mostly women ( I see very little of men ), on tbn & other put on gobs of junk to draw attention to themselves. It looks like the ladies use a paint roller to put on make up, So Gross.

I don't see nothing wrong with the Natural Beauty showing through.
---Lawrence on 2/23/11


if you wear it solely as a good luck charm,not only is it idolotry,but paganism.same thing as wearing a rabbits foot,maybe lucky for you,but it sure didn,t work for the rabbit.The only reason for wearing a cross in my mind is if you are telling the world you are a believer,anything else is wrong.
---tom2 on 2/23/11


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I donot wear either. I donot need to. it is between the person & God. if you put a piece of jewlery before God, yes it can be.
---candice on 2/23/11


"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." Exodus 20:4
---christan on 2/23/11


jewelry and other enhancements worn is not idolatry. Idolatry is someone or something worshipped and consulted for some advice in the place of Jesus. Wearing a cross is a symbol representing Jesus' great love for the person. The cross depicts how innocent Christ Jesus personally sacrificed his whole life on the cross for you. And wearing rings also usually is not any idolatry, but represents some significant meaning to the wearer, as a friendship ring or a piece of aethestic craftsmanship.
---Eloy on 2/23/11


To wear a Cross as a sign of faith--or reminder to oneself--is not idolatry.

But to wear ANYTHING as a "good luck charm"--Cross or otherwise--is superstition and certainly is an offense AGAINST faith and could verge on idolatry.
---Cluny on 2/23/11

YEAH
---francis on 2/23/11


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I do not believe in idolizing the cross. If our Lord Jesus would have been beaten to death with a club would you want to wear an image of the club?
---mima on 2/23/11


a cross or a good luck charm . . . I would not consider a cross to be the same as a good luck charm. So, I would not put them in the same category. May be you don't mean to say they are the same.

A good luck charm . . . I would say no, because God is able to take care of us, and things don't go well with me because of "luck", but the glory and credit is to God. So, giving a charm credit could indeed be idolatry.

But wearing things in order to attract a man could also be not depending on God to deeply draw us together in His love.
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/23/11


To wear a Cross as a sign of faith--or reminder to oneself--is not idolatry.

But to wear ANYTHING as a "good luck charm"--Cross or otherwise--is superstition and certainly is an offense AGAINST faith and could verge on idolatry.
---Cluny on 2/23/11


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