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Sinner's Prayer Salvation OK

Some believe that salvation is obtained and kept through a simple recitation of the Sinner's Prayer (the actual formula differ in Evangelical sects), but such a tradition (not even taught by the Reformers) can not be found in Holy Scriptures and the very idea dictate a corrupt theology. Who's right?

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Jasheradan, again, you post falsehood because there is no light in you. After you become saved then you will no longer post falsehood, but instead you will post truth. No where in the scriptures is there found SAINT Paul being a sinner after his conversion to holy Christ. But sin-supporters will wrest the scriptures and take verses out of their context in order to sinfully blaspheme the saints from God, and to support their own sin.
---Eloy on 3/2/11


Not only are billions deceived, but billions more will be deceived because of blasphemers whom favor in distorting the holy scriptures. English translations of the scriptures need to be compared to the original Greek and Hebrew scriptures mainly because a translation into another language can commonly produce inacurrate renditions of the original language. I am not a novice at translating the scriptures, but have been translating for years and I know where the inacccurrate choice of English words for the Greek and Hebrew words have been made, and I also know why the translators have mistranslated these words. I have found that none of the first reliable translators of the scriptures have mistranslated any of the words intentionally.
---Eloy on 3/2/11


//Paul was comparing the time before his conversion when he was antiChrist and persecuting Christian, to the time after his conversion when he became proChrist and edified Christians//

That is nowhere written in that chapter. He uses current tense to describe his problem with delighting after the law of God but having another member warring against it. He hates that about himself as does every Christian. This is not in his past. Nice try .
---Jasheradan on 3/2/11


Oooooh yeah, I see now. Youre one of those people who thinks the experts who translated the Bible werent as learned in Greek and Hebrews as you are and you are showing its "proper" context now. Gimme a break will ya? Do you think God would have let billions be deceived up til now and Eloy is the one to set things straight? Your arrogance is astounding.

Have you NO faith in Gods ability to pick and empower men to translate his word properly for people of other languages?

Start doubting the validity of any part of scripture and it will give way to doubting all of it. Dont give place to the devil.
---Jasheradan on 3/2/11


Jasheradan, No preaching that I preach is wrong because my preaching comes from the Lord. And I must correct you again, "faith without works is dead. And Romans chapter seven needs to be read in its context to know that Paul was comparing the time before his conversion when he was antiChrist and persecuting Christian, to the time after his conversion when he became proChrist and edified Christians: "What rightly we say then? Will we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid! How could we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Romans 6:1,2.
---Eloy on 3/2/11




lit.Gk: "For WHEN WE WERE in the flesh, the passions of sins, which were aroused by the law, did work in our members to bring forward fruit onto death. BUT NOW WE ARE delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by. PRETEND THEN I do that which I should not, I confess that the law right. Then it is now no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me: NOW PRETEND I do what I should not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me. Therefore NOW no condemnation to them which ARE IN CHRIST JESUS, who walk nor after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus HAS MADE ME FREE from the law of sin and death." Rm.7:5,6,16,17,20+ 8:1.
---Eloy on 3/2/11


Then what you said is wrong, Eloy. You *can* desire to do right but not do it and still have salvation.

Paul had the same problem.

Romans 7
---Jasheradan on 3/2/11


jasheradan, you post falsehood. saying, "Then Paul went to hell." Hear Paul's own words: "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith. Herefrom forward there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord the righteous judge will give me at that day, and not to me only, but also to all them that love his appearing." II Tm.4:7,8.
---Eloy on 3/1/11


//For if you "think" right, but do not "act" right then your thinking is dead, for faith without works is 100% dead//--Elo


Then Paul went to hell.

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
---Jasheradan on 3/1/11


"Where do you pick up this rubbish?
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/1/11"

Mima has been infected by traditions of men for years. We can't blame him. He has been taught these traditions of men by corrupt certain Protestant leaders. Only the Holy Spirit can break his bondage to the ways of men.

Others have notice his outrages claims, myself included, and have tried to reason with him through Scriptures, but he does not yield to our instructions.

Though he proclaim Sola Scriptura (a tradition of men), he does not follow it (for many of his dogmas can not be found in Scriptures).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 3/1/11




(Mar 11:23) For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea, and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass, he shall have whatsoever he saith.

(Joh 14:1) Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

(Rom 10:9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

If you believe its something you did or didnt do.
You are putting a yoke on yourself and everyone else.
Is this really so hard to understand?
---TheSeg on 3/1/11


I made a mistake ---alan8566. It was a Lot not Noah who got drunk and slept with his daughters and yet was called righteous. The question to Eloy was how can this possibly be.
---mima on 3/1/11


Again,what every one is not understanding is: just do what God said do. It does not matter whether we understand it or not. A lot of that comes later on. Just do it! It use to be an age-old question, also, in the Pentecostal church and elsewhere, I am sure. The question: how long have you been saved? Du-hh-h-h! Who cares? Just get saved! Before it is too late. A christian is a christian. Whether you have been saved one day or 50 years. Stand on your salvation and keep believing in Jesus Christ.
---Robyn on 3/1/11


The sinners prayer is not a pre-packaged prayer. Everyone says something different. But the intent is the same. Just like our relationship(s) with Christ, are different. It does not take God all day to do what He has to do. We only need to ask, believe, then receive Jesus by faith. Everything a Christian does is by faith. God deals with our spirit not the flesh or carnal mind. I cannot see God but I believe (this is done by faith). Is there a heaven or hell? The Word of God says there is. Therefore I believe.
---Robyn on 3/1/11


Mima ... You appear to make the most outrageous claims. Firstly Mary nopt the true mother of Jesus

Now saying Noah was an incestuous drunk.

Where do you pick up this rubbish?
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/1/11


ignatius,Eloy....you have not always been a saints.
All saints have a past.......
All sinners have a future....
Before you were saved you were seperated from God by your sins.
If you prayed and confessed your sins to God, is that not considered a sinners prayer?
---JIM on 3/1/11


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Mima, Noah is not known as an incestuous drunk, and God never said that Noah was sinner like that, only mankind does. Just as mankind also said that Jesus was a wino for drinking wine, when he was not: "And Yhwh said to Noah, Come you and all your household into the ark, for you have I seen Righteous before me in this generation...For God indeed ancient world not spared, but eight, Noah of Righteousness a Saved preacher." Gn.7:1+ II Pt.2:5. Noah did not sin by drinking his wine, and falling asleep in his tent. But instead his son Ham sinned in that after he seen his father sleeping naked he did not cover him up, but rather he went and also told this his other two brothers.
---Eloy on 3/1/11


Eloy in light of what you have written what would you say about Noah a incestous drunk? How can he possibly be righteous???????
---mima on 3/1/11


mima, not so, repentance is more than a change of mind, it is also a change of behavior, acts, words, and works. For if you "think" right, but do not "act" right then your thinking is dead, for faith without works is 100% dead: and the barren tree which bears no fruit is worthless, and is gathered up and thrown into the fire.
---Eloy on 3/1/11


Donna66,
I was raised in a Missionary Baptist Church, but my mother had been influenced by many - Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Roman Catholic, Church of God of Prophecy, Church of Christ, Christian Church, Nazarenes, Assembly of God, and a few independent "full gospel" churches. Full of superstition and supposed spiritual warfare, ghosts, and the angel of death around every corner it seemed.

She was blown around by every wind of doctrine, and passed that along to her children.

A cross-less gospel, an insignificant Christ, and no hope in a resurrection

That's why I stand so firm against a sinner's prayer. It requires no understanding of the gospel "The Power Of God" which saves
---James_L on 2/28/11


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James L -- Perhaps, in this discussion, we are overlooking the obvious...that a person must hear and understand the Gospel in order to be saved.

But I believe God honors a sincere prayer that reaches out to Him with a heart-felt need, by making the Gospel clear. That may take some time, but it seems to have been a rather long process in your case. Was there no teaching available? Just curious.
---Donna66 on 2/28/11


Peter is right in Acts 2:38 when he said: Repent, and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, etc.,

There is no sinners prayer in the bible. Oh yes, God be merciful to me, a sinner, can be considered a sinners prayer, but if repentence doesn't follow, then there's no conversion of a man's soul.
---Donna5535 on 2/28/11


I think this blog is more about the 'say a prayer get your "out of hell card" and live how you want to group'. Which is not a Biblical sinners prayer. Which some churchs have fallen into by focusing on a prayer way to much. But you do need some sort of "I am weak but you (GOD) are strong, cleans me of my sin and lead me" prayer.
---Scott on 2/28/11


"Repentance is a change of mind and the person who says a sinner's prayer is verbally announcing and showing that they have changed their mind.
---mima on 2/28/11"

You said the exact opposite before. You can't have it both ways. Which one is it?

Saying a Sinner's Prayer for salvation is itself not found in Scriptures. Why are you bound to traditions of men, mima?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/28/11


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Robyn,
If sincerity counted for anything, I would have been born again at the age of 6. I was as sincere as anybody, willing and wanting to turn from sin and obey God. I cried in remorse for offending God, asked Jesus to save me, confessed my sins, and was baptized.

But, there was one HUGE element I was missing.

I did not believe the gospel.

I believed that I could be in and out of salvation with every sin and confession.

What did Jesus die for? I had not the foggiest idea.

Where was the gospel? NOWHERE
WHere was faith in Jesus? HAD NONE

But I said that prayer. Many times. SINCERELY
---James_L on 2/28/11


"There is no salvation without first repenting from sin, for as long as a soul remains in sin that soul cannot be in... " the fact that someone said a sinner's prayer is in and of itself an act of repentance. Repentance is a change of mind and the person who says a sinner's prayer is verbally announcing and showing that they have changed their mind.
---mima on 2/28/11


There is no salvation without first repenting from sin, for as long as a soul remains in sin that soul cannot be in righteousness. That is why confession is so important, a person must first admit that they are separated from holiness and in need of forgiveness and restoration before they can obtain it. As long as a person continues in sin they are in condemnation and wrath, but as soon as that soul realizes this fact and turns back to God, namely through praying the sinner's prayer which is 100% biblical and theologically sound, then that soul can be saved from destruction.
---Eloy on 2/28/11


Another point: When I received Christ as a young child we were taught a lot of things I later found out were nice(traditions) but not necessary. This is why we have to be careful and not believe every so-called prophet and preacher that comes along. God's Word is enough. Try the spirit by the spirit. We were told we had to roll upon the floor,purge and literally beg to be saved. We had to be in a church to get saved,we had to throw ourselves on the altar and that type thing. Not true. But one thing for sure: whatever we do, we better believe in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our many sins. I mean many!
---Robyn on 2/28/11


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3 of 4, "O' God my God!, help me O' God!, Save me O' God! God! please help me and save me from sin and death, from disease and destruction- Save me God. O' Lord Jesus, please have pity to me and lift me up. Holy Ghost! cast out the unclean spirit in me- I plead the blood of Jesus! The powerful powerful blood of Christ! baptize me in the blood of Jesus, in the blood of God, in your Spirit O' God . Consume me with your glory. Fill me to overflowing with your grace, your mercy, your power- Let there be no place for the devil, none in me, none around me. No place for Satan. Demons cannot stand in your presence, in your glory unspeakable, most full of power, grace, truth, most Holy."
---Eloy on 2/28/11


As a whole, No. The thief on the cross yes, because that was under the law. The salvation of God by grace ( Acts 2 v 38, to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost ) came a time later aft Jesus rose - went up from the mount.
---Lawrence on 2/28/11


2 of 4, "As far as the East is from the West, remove my transgressions from me. Create in me a clean heart O' God, and renew a right spirit within me. Turn me not away from your presence O' God, and take not your Holy Spirit from me. Restore onto me the joy of your salvation, and renew a right spirit within me O' God, my God. Have mercy upon me and make me whole again. Make me brand new, righteous, clean, pure, holy. Show me the parts to clean out of my life, everything that comes between you and me- everything wrong rid it out in Jesus name."
---Eloy on 2/27/11


Wrong James L: You are overlooking a few points. You have to be ready to give your life to the Lord. Not at the urging or coaxing of someone else. The urging is ok but you have to feel it in your heart and mind that you are ready to give your life to Jesus. You have to also be sincere when you talk(pray) to God, to forgive your sins. Once you get saved, you have to do a follow up. The follow up is to join a church, tell someone you received Jesus as Saviour, you need to begin to read your bible. These are the things you did not do. This why you weakened and fell away, again.
---Robyn on 2/27/11


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James L, When a soul, whether or not they are a believer, prays to God confesing their need for his help is a very good thing, because sincere prayer to God is virtuous and God answers the cries of the penetant heart. Does God forgive and transform a sinner when a sinner prays to God for this? Of course, even as David confessed after his prayer that he was forgiven by God. Indeed there is evidence of sinners being transformed into saints even as I write this reply, for God is in the business of answering prayers and changing lives for all those whom come to him for change.
---Eloy on 2/27/11


I grew up in a christian home. Received Jesus as my Lord and Saviour as a child but did not understand what was really going on. My dad was a preacher and it was pretty much expected of us kids to be saved or in church. As a young adult I left church. But I did return in later years. I said the sinners prayer when I returned to Christ. I was sincere and ready to follow Christ. I never looked back. I followed with baptism, joining a church, bible reading and learning the word of God. Among other things. I have been delivered from some sins but dealing with others. I am not perfect but I am saved. Maturing and growing everyday. I stood on my vow to the Lord through the sinners prayer. No one can take that away from me. Hallelujah!
---Robyn on 2/27/11


The difference between sincere prayer and vain prayer is in the heart. The one who apologizes or repents for an offense may or may not be sincere. The one whom is sincere personally feels and knows the offense as though it was also peronally done to them, and they will not do it again, but instead will sincerely make amends. Paul said it well, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
---Eloy on 2/27/11


You are a good example of the fact that God looks on the heart,not the outward appearance, as do men.

I think my first real sincere and heart-felt prayer (also with tears) went something like this: "O God, If you are there, HELP me. I'm such a mess." I was a sinner. But HE heard me!

A "pre-packaged" prayer is OK ..IF it reflects a true sense of need. But I think, since it's not spontaneous, it often does not. Repeating any prayer by request of someone else signifies nothing.(But as Mima points out, for some people, it may stimulate a desire for God)
---Donna66 on 2/27/11


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No, Donna. This was not a coincidence. I know of one person just like that - ME.

I had said a "sinner's prayer" honestly, about 600-800 times in my life. But I knew nothing about the gospel at all. Substituionary death, resurrection, imputed righteousness, Deity of Christ, I flatly rejected all those because of my upbringing. But I knew that prayer.

Then I "devoted" myself to Jesus, and soon was crushed with doubt - even to the point of doubting the existence of reality itself. I cried literal tears, full of agony and anguish. Empty and alone, broken.

All those prayers meant nothing because I was an unbeliever. It was the work of the Holy Spirit that brought me to Christ, not a prayer.
---James_L on 2/27/11


Iganatius, 1 of 4, Eloy's Prayer from Sunday night March 4,2001 A.D., which caused Eloy to be born-again twice:
"Ayin. Father God, forgive me of all of my sins, every one, every sinuous way- every sinuous thought- and every sinuous act- Forgive me totally and completely. Forgive me O' God, forgive me Jesus, and forgive me Holy Spirit for sinning against you and looking elsewhere for comfort instead of in you. Please wash away all of my sins and off all of this dirty world. Cleanse me and I will be clean. Make me whole again. Bless me and I will be blessed. Wash me whiter then snow. Cast off all of my sins into the deepest darkest ocean, to be remembered no more."
---Eloy on 2/26/11


Ignatius, 4 of 4, "Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes Jeesus! thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you Jeesus! Jeesus!! My God O' my God My God. Thank you Father God, thank you so much. O' Jesus O' Lord my God. Yes help me to always follow you and trust in you always all the days of my life and forever. Most Holy Jesus."
---Eloy on 2/26/11


\\ that is why Psalm 51 is called the Sinner's Prayer and not the Saint's Prayer.
---Eloy on 2/26/11\\

Called by WHOM?
---Cluny on 2/26/11


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JamesL-- I've know several sinners who prayed "God, I don't know if you are real, but if you are, show me" They didn't even know in whom they should have faith!
But strangely, they soon came to both understand AND believe in Jesus Christ. Was this just a co-incidence?

We know that God knows all things. How can He possibly be unaware of the prayers of anybody? God certainly has no reason why He SHOULD respond to the prayer of a "sinner", but surely He is ABLE to, if He so desires.
---Donna66 on 2/26/11


What we know as the sinner's prayer does not benefit God simply because God has all knowledge. The sinner's prayer is really for the benefit of one saying it so he can refer back in his mind and pinpoint when he said the prayer. God has stated he will not turn us down so if we know we have called it follows we have salvation. Recently a 10-year-old boy said to me I do not remember saying that prayer, at which time I said to him, okay we can say that prayer right now again and we did and now forever he has a time of reference to refer back too.
---mima on 2/27/11


Eloy,

What I was pointing out is that today's "sinner's prayer" is taught to an unbeliever to be made righteous through an act of prayer. But the Psalms were not written by unbelievers. They were written by believers.

It's sick how most who advocate righteousness through a sinner's prayer also stand firm that we are made righteous through faith alone.

That is nothing more than a retarded contradiction carried on in a futile mind.

If you think righteousness comes through faith plus works, advocate the prayer along with other work. I disagree, but at least you're consistent.

But don't blow a trumpet of judgment against works righteousness, while at the same time you teach a work for righteousness.
---James_L on 2/27/11


James, holy scriptures of confession by a sinner can be and has been written, that is why Psalm 51 is called the Sinner's Prayer and not the Saint's Prayer.
---Eloy on 2/26/11


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Our hearts cry out to God as individuals and God doesn't require a formulaic prayer to be saved. Who is to say that someone who cries to the Lord in their private thoughts is not saved because they didn't follow a mass prayer at the altar? Many people who have repeated "the prayer of salvation" end up not following Christ. Jesus bids us to follow him and make disciples. It requires action. We are to become like him. What do we say of those who have "repeated the prayer of salvation" but their lives are not being conformed to the image of Christ? It is true we are saved by faith, but that faith should naturally drive us to action. When we really believe in something, it changes us. Faith without works is dead.
---Jo on 2/26/11


Alan,
no contradiction, no heresy.

sinners are those who have not been declared righteous through faith. In other words, there are sinners, and there are saints. Did Paul ever write a letter to that sinners at Rome, or the sinners at Corinth? Absolutely not. Paul wrote to the SAINTS. That is, believers.

But do we sin? Yes. Is it the same? NO!

It's like the difference between someone who drinks alchohol and a drunk.

"Are you a drunk?"
"No, I have a beer once in a while."

See?? Jesus came to call the sinners, not the righteous.

And as far as heresy, I guess your heretic is God, because it's in His word that we find it said that He does not hear sinners.
---James_L on 2/26/11


\\You think David wrote those Psalms before he became a believer? He wrote them for himself first.\\

I have my own idea about what "Psalms of David" means.

I'm not doubting he wrote some of them--but the Bible says he did not write all.

May I suggest the Psalter was the Prayerbook and Hymnal set forth by royal authority?
---Cluny on 2/26/11


James L ... Your post is full of contradiction or confusion.

First you say the David believed and still sinned ... and made those prayers to God.

Then you say God does not hear a sinner's prayer. So how did God hear David's prayers?

Now you suggest that the sinner's prayer can't be heard ... is that because the pray-er is a sinner, or because he does not believe?

The sinner's prayer is surely prayed by someone who newly beleives, and wishes to repent and claim salvation?

Your final heresy is that a man may cry out to God, and God refuses to listen
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/26/11


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Eloy,

You think David wrote those Psalms before he became a believer? He wrote them for himself first.

How can an unbeliever write scripture?

Long after He believed, he messed up and needed God to restore him to fellowship.

Also (for mima too)
The word of God says that "God Does Not Hear Sinners"

Stop calling God a liar. He does not hear the sinner's prayer because it comes from a sinner.

He will only hear a prayer AFTER someone believes. Then what does that prayer accomplish?

NOT ONE THING ecxept create a false hope in someone that cried out to God who was refusing to listen.
---James_L on 2/26/11


my husband read and signed a sinners prayer in 1954 when he first entered the Air Force. He told everyone he was saved when he was not. He did get saved Feb 25 2004. No thanks to the sinners prayer. There must be conviction for salvation. If one gets saved by the sinners prayer, many many will go to hell because of it. People need ol time preaching and ol time conviction.
---shira3877 on 2/26/11


According to the Bible, the ONLY way to salvation is through repentance and putting your trust in Jesus Christ (Luke 13:3, Romans 10:9-10, 1 John 1:9). Anything other than this, is NOT salvation, but leads to Hell.
---Leslie on 2/26/11


mima-

The same word of God say:

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21).

"They profess that they know God, but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16)

"What part of [Romans 10:13] do we not understand."

What part of Matthew 7:21 do you not understand? It is clear that you do not take Scriptures as a whole and interpret it through Apostolic Tradition.

Salvation through a simple formal Sinner's Prayer (a work) is a man made dogma.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/25/11


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"If [one] believes God's Word then whether or not there is sincerity....the Lord will still honor his word and [prayer]. " (Mima)

In other words, one can say "the Sinner's prayer" (that phrase is non-biblical) and receive salvation (and keep it) even though he or she may not believe in the Gospel sincerity, repent from his sins sincerity, and continue to believe and obey the Gospel?

Is that the water-down gospel you are selling us Mima? Get a fast ticket to heaven and live like a drunken sinner?

What do you do with Scriptures such as Matthew 7:21, Luke 23:41, John 3:19-21, Rom. 8:13, 2 Tim 4:14, Titus 3:8,14, Rev. 22:12, Matt. 10:22, 24:13,25:31-46, Mark 7:1:23, Mark 13:13, etc?

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 2/25/11


The Sinners Prayer is in scripture in "Psalm 32:3-5+ Psalm 51."
And God's word tells us that, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. For whosoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved." I Jn.1:9+ Rm.10:13.
---Eloy on 2/26/11


---Ignatius I believe salvation can be obtained by calling on the name of Jesus. I do not believe that my salvation is kept by calling on the name of Jesus. I believe my salvation is kept by Almighty God.
John27-28-29,
" 27-My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28-And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29-My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

I'm depending on God strength not my strength to keep my salvation(keep me saved).
---mima on 2/26/11


" The Sinner's Prayer" can not be found in Scriptures.

One hear the Gospel (Rom 10:17), believe the Gospel (Acts 2:38a), repent (ibid, Acts 16:31), obey the Gospel (James 1:22), receive Water Baptism (ibid, Mark 16:16, etc), receive Christmation ("laying on the hands"), and strive to reach theosis, by the Grace of Jesus Christ with the participation of the Church's Mysteries.

All are part of the biblical salvation plan. Salvation isn't based upon a past moment of confession. It is a past event (Ephesians 2:8), an event currently active (Philippians 2:12), and a future event (1 Peter 1:5).

The Sinner's prayer gives a false hope that one is saved, and remain saved, through a mental work.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 2/25/11


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If a person believes God's Word then whether or not there is sincerity or deep thought involved the Lord will still honor his word and that prayer. The word of God says, whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved." It does not mention degree of sincerity. It does not say maybe. It clearly says anyone calling on the name of the Lord to save them will be saved. What part of that clear statement do we not understand. Elsewhere in John 6:37 God says,"and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." Again I ask, can we not understand clear language?
---mima on 2/25/11


Blogger 9211 does know how to express him/herself elegantly.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/25/11


"what if that recitation is by thought?" JIM

Reciting a prayer by mouth or thought means nothing if one does not follow/obey what is revealed in Holy Scriptures. Salvation is not based upon a past moment of confession, but is a process, where one continues to believe and obey the Gospel to reach Theosis.

We find no example of a Apostle telling a Jew or Gentile that their salvation is recieved and kept through the Sinner's Prayer. What did Saint Peter said ", Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38). No mention of a formal Sinner's prayer here because it is man-made dogma.

In IC.XC.,
---IGnatius on 2/25/11


The Sinners Prayer AKA: "The 1 minute get out of Hell Ticket" is false/heretical doctrine/act.

It occurs after "YOU" APPROVE OF JESUS(i.e Making a decision for Jesus). Christ has NO say! You go to the alter to pay your ticket. Then everybody hugs you and you stuff your face with the fatted Pig of Potluck and join the social clubs of Gluttony and faleshood.

93% of people that do this nonsense, drop out within a year.

The rest simple become "The Psuedo Beorgoise Carnal Frauds" we see in the Fundi-MENTALS, Grace, Evangelical Social Clubs.

Whos statement of faith is... Jesus was some white guy who fought for Ole Glory against those "Legalistic Jews. He later died in the Cavalry".
---John on 2/25/11


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Whoops . . . in my post, below, I gave the wrong scripture verse number for the scripture saying that God works in us. It is Philippians 2:13.

Yes, a prayer for salvation needs to be from the heart, a broken heart. And God, Paul says, "commands all men everywhere to repent," we have in Acts 17:30. And Jesus says, "No one can come to Me unless the Father draws him," in John 6:44.

So, even if we have been chosen by God, we need to be drawn to Jesus and repent. And repenting does involve praying.
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/25/11


\\cluny...what if that recitation is by thought?

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A mental work is STILL a work.

The lack of a physical externality doesn't fool God in the least.
---Cluny on 2/25/11


Those who quote Romans 10:9-13 as relaying a prescription for a sinner's prayer need to keep reading.

verse 20 ridicules that view. Imagine that!!! 7 verses later, God declares

"I Was Found By Those Who Did Not Seek Me, I Became Manifest To Those Who DID NOT ASK FOR ME!!!"

Stop prying the scriptures away from context and dragging them through the mud

The sinner's prayer has been one of the most destructive of all teachings, giving people a false hope through a dirty gospel.

I, by the way, was raised on this warped teaching, and didn't learn of Christ's deity or the purpose of His sacrifice until I was 27. But I could say that prayer.
---James_L on 2/25/11


The so-called "sinners prayer", whatever the form, is effective only if it reflects the sincere desire of a person to have a relationship with God. Some people want to know Jesus but are at a loss as to how to go about it.

Forcing someone to parrot a prayer that they do not mean accomplishes nothing. It's not the prayer, but the heart's desire that the Lord honors. The concrete act of prayer only cements the decision in a person's mind.

It's not corrupt theology. But the DANGER is, that whoever participates may assume that Salvation is conferred by the mere mouthing of words. Then a person may be considered (by himself and others) to be "saved" when in fact, he remains spiritually unchanged.
---Donna66 on 2/25/11


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cluny...what if that recitation is by thought?
Do you confess your sins to God?
---JIM on 2/25/11


We must confess our sins and ask for forgiveness and ask Jesus to save us..that is what a sinners prayer is..
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
---a_friend on 2/25/11


Saying the sinners prayer is not worth a bucket of warm spit as saying it or any thing else is not going to have anything to do with ones salvation or not. God chose every one who was ever going to be in is family billions of years ago prior to the creation of the universe. So it is a done deal, you were either select by God or you were not. God the father has total foreknowledge of all that will happen and your were chosen or rejected at that time so there is nothing you can do now to change any predetermined out comes.
---Blogger9211 on 2/25/11


If recitation of a prayer brings salvation, then this is still salvation by WORKS.
---Cluny on 2/25/11


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Such a repetition without beleiving it, made purely perhaps top satisfy the local evangelist after scalps, means nothing and there is no salvation.

Neither is there salvation provided by baptism, however many priests and bishops may preside, unless the individual believes.
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/25/11


The actual words of the sinners prayer is not what leads to salvation. It's a broken heart of the sinner, coming to the Saviour asking for mercy & forgiveness, having repentance in their heart. If the one praying is not sincerely sorry for their sins wanting forgiveness, then saying a few words will do nothing for them. GOD LOOKS ON THE HEART.
---Reba on 2/25/11


reciting prayers churches give will not save you. Only when you truly accept Jesus as your saviour is when you are truly saved. people can "think" they got saved, but then years later relize they didn't understand , & then come to Jesus...
---candice on 2/25/11


It says we are not saved by "works". Saying a prayer can be a work, can't it?

But if God changes someone's heart so the person prays to Jesus for salvation, this would bring salvation, because out of the abundance of one's changed heart, by God, the person is praying, "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:14)

So, if someone is just copy-catting what someone says to say in a "sinner's prayer", this will not get the person saved, except it can have the person evaluating what the person just said, so the person can consider doing it for real (c:
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/25/11


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The sinner's prayer can take many forms. But should necessarily be addressed to the Lord Jesus Christ and include a request to be saved. The foundation of the sinner's prayer can be found in the Scripture repeated three different times in the Bible which says,"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

---Ignatius I appreciate very much your asking this question.
---mima on 2/25/11


ignatius...the sinners prayer is nothing more than people relizing that they are sinners in need of a savior(repenting). In Acts when Peter got through addressing the crowd it said they were cut to the heart. It later says they accepted his message. The sinners prayer is people accepting the message about Christ, like the approx.3000 added that day in Acts.
---JIM on 2/25/11


The Sinners Prayer or Salvation Prayer is biblical. Because we must be born again according to the Word of God. Some people have been taught different things but there is only one way and that is the right way(God's way). We must accept Jesus as our Lord and Saviour and the Sinners prayer helps us to do that. We don't have to beg or plead or be saved it is a gift that is ours, for the asking.The prayer is the asking. Jesus Christ is the indescribable gift.Read Romans 10:9,Eph 2:8, Romans 5,8. There are many more sciptures throughout the bible.
---Robyn on 2/25/11


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