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Does the God of the universe need us to accomplish His will on Earth?

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Cluny

One must experience the sin nature to be able to overcome and profess experimentally what redemption is all about.

Even in Heaven the angels cant join in the redemption songs of the redeemed.

The Angels professed Jesus birth but not His salvation plan.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/9/11


\\And angels are created beings with no concept of redemption therefore they can not spread the Gospel, no Bible for that.\\

Try again.

They announced the Conception and Birth of Christ, did they not?

And then there's this:

Revelation 14:6
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
---Cluny on 3/9/11


My God needs zero from anything he created. This is one reason why he is God.
---Eloy on 3/9/11


Eloy

All jokes aside my friend, your treading on serious ground.

I am a Pastor and you are in serious error with your comments.

I know God and am known of God and I encourage you to terminate your self-righteous attitude.

You are bringing a railing accuzation not only against an elder but also an anointed one of Jesus Christ chosen to promote His Gospel.

If you know any about the Bible you know you are in serious error and I encourage you to make it right.

If you cant point out a sin you are in breach of Gods Words in a serious way, so please reconsider your ways.

God Bless,Paul
---paul on 3/8/11


\\Paul, I judge righteous judgment as I am commanded, and if I judge that you are apart from my God then that is simply because you are. Some people do not know my God because they never take the time to get to know him.\\

I'm sure Paul would rather be a Christian, himself.

I know I would.
---Cluny on 3/8/11




God needs us only in the sense that he has chosen to use us to accomplish his will. It should be very humbling to you and I. I want so often to cry out to God, I am not worthy to do your bidding, I'm not worthy of your consideration, and then I realize that got already knows all of this yet he is willingly to use me. And for that reason I wish to say thank you Lord Jesus thank you.
---mima on 3/9/11


"When you decide to become one of these then you too will become gladly communicated by me." Eloy

Ahhh Eloy...the Charlie Sheen of ChristiaNet. Sorry to 'diss'.
---scott on 3/8/11


Pride goeth before a fall.

Yours is gonna hurt bad, Eloy.
---CraigA on 3/8/11


paul, no sinner encourages me. I encourage you to get right with God.
---Eloy on 3/8/11


Eloy

Let me encourage you to come out from your self-righteous mode of understanding that you are in.

Believe me it does you no good nor the Body of Christ any good.

Now you have accused me so I ask you by what sin have I committed which leads you to believe I don't know God?

Paul
---paul on 3/8/11




Paul, I judge righteous judgment as I am commanded, and if I judge that you are apart from my God then that is simply because you are. Some people do not know my God because they never take the time to get to know him. I know him even as he knows me, and if I would say, I know him not, I would be a liar like to you: but the truth is I do know him, and I keep his word.
---Eloy on 3/7/11


"SOME" lol

I am so glad that Jesus Christ wasnt a snob.
---Jasheradan on 3/7/11


No, or he wouldn't be God.
---larry on 3/7/11


No God is totally self sufficient so he does not NEED is but he loved SOME of us enough to adopt us into his family prior to creation.
---Blogger9211 on 3/7/11


God is all knowing & powerful. He has the ability to communicate His realness, His salvation for mankind, to mankind Himself, without any help from His creation. He talked to Moses & the prophets so they could hear Him. He speaks to people today through the Holy Spirit. That's how He convicts their hearts. The reason we witness is because His Word tells us to, NOT BECAUSE HE NEEDS US TO. It's for our benefit to lead souls to Christ. We will be rewarded. It has nothing to do with God's inability to do it Himself. He's been communicating with man since He first breathed His life into them.
---Reba on 3/6/11


Paul, thanks for the discussion on the Sovereignty of God. I will stand on what I said, God needs nothing from anyone. It was nice talking to you, I will move on. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 3/7/11


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Eloy

I don't appreciate the assertion that I dont know God, that is not your place to JUDGE.

The analogy of the rocks is out of context, upon arrival of the city the crowd was asked to be quiet and it was told that if they do so the rocks would cry out.

Where in that do you get that rocks can preach salvation?

Im simply saying that God does need humans (His creation) to accomplish His humanistic plans

Mark

I understand sovereignty and confess God is all powerful , therefore in His wisdom He created us with a desire for us. With that He created a need for us to be and do His will.

What is the offense in saying God who created us for a purpose needs us to fulfill that purpose?

Paul
---paul on 3/6/11


Eloy

You talk of YOUR GOD as though you own him or her, (whatever your god is)

My God is Jesus Christ and He does not permit me to act UN-Godly here or anywhere else.

I'm not sure of the standards of your god, does it permit your bad attitude towards people?

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/6/11


Spoken like a person that is truly stuck on themselves, Eloy.

You speak as though you are Christ himself. You are delusional.
---Jasheradan on 3/6/11


Paul, If you think God Almighty needs any thing at all, then your God is too small and he is not almighty.
---Eloy on 3/5/11


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People whom do not know God think that God needs. God is All-Powerful, he needs nothing and is not lacking in any thing at all. As far as my God needing man to preach, he does not need man, for if man refuses to obey his command to preach then the very rocks could cry out preaching and magnify God instead.
---Eloy on 3/5/11


jasheradan, I am going to cease replying to you because it is manifested that you have no light and desire to remain in darkness. I will focus on those truly seeking the truth, and I will redeem the time, and when you decide to become one of these then you too will become gladly communicated by me.
---Eloy on 3/5/11


Paul, I give you another analogy. God created the plan. He is outside of time. The plan is before Him, from beginning to end. Nothing is missing. He puts the plan into action in what we call time. Had the Universe, had angels, had human beings been necessary to Him in any way, creating of them when He did, added nothing to God essentially. He changes not (Mal. 3:6), therefore His essential glory can be neither augmented nor diminished. God was under no constraint, no obligation, no necessity to create. That He chose to do so was purely a sovereign act on His part. His own good pleasure: "He worketh all things after the counsel of His own will" Eph. 1:11.
---Mark_V. on 3/6/11


Reba

I understand your position and can appreciate it, but unless you can produce scripture that indicates that God doesn't need me it will have to be your opinion not an emphatic statement.

I see where God does need people in my life and ministry.

Ro 10:14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/5/11


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God wanted to have fellowship with us, that's why we were created. He knew we would sin & Christ would have to die to save us. He didn't let that stop Him from creating us. God wanted us enough to give us life, He loved us enough to die for us. Some may call that a need, I call it a longing to have fellowship. God said that if we did not worship Him the rocks would cry out to glorify Him. So no, He don't need us. He wants us.That is not a need.
---Reba on 3/5/11


\\Eloy:

We are all vessels of imperfect clay.\\

On the other hand, Eloy is unsaved sinuous dissing clay with no light in him.
---Cluny on 3/5/11


Eloy

You can disagree and feel how you'd like, but the fact is that Gods will for YOUR life will not be accomplished without your participation, therefore God needs you.

The things He needs to accomplish by you can still be done without you, but YOUR personal purpose will remain undone, why is that so hard of a concept to grasp.

Not taking glory from God, simply pointing out the mechanics of it all.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/4/11


jasheradan, You have a noncomprehending mind. I suggest that you look up the word "analogy", perhaps you will learn something about the modes of preaching and teaching.
---Eloy on 3/4/11


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Paul, I disagree with your answers and really because God is self-sufficient in need of nothing even before He designed the plan He made. He is God and never changes, He is the same yesterday, today and forever. It is important that we keep His nature, character and attributes the same no matter what the question is.

On the remarks that Eloy made I'm very much oppose to what he says to others when he condemns them. There should be a separate section just for him so that he can post, and answer his own questions that way he is always right.
---Mark_V. on 3/5/11


So I suppose that God doesn't need preachers to preach the Glorious Gospel to the lost.

Ro 10:14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

God does need you friends, without that inclination one will become slothful and conceive the thought of why bother, God will do it anyway with or without me.

Thats why a lot of Christians are so complacent.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/5/11


//...and why would you follow the scriptures if they was written by sinners and liars?// Eloy

Because these men were led by the Holy Ghost to write the things they did. That is also written in scripture.

1 John 1:6-8 teaches us not to hide our sins or try to deny them. Doing so takes us out of fellowship with Jesus Christ. If we are humble and able to admit to God that we have sinned, He is faithful and just to forgive us.

According to scripture who is without Gods truth or his word? The man who claims he has no sin. Careful who you judge next time.
---Jasheradan on 3/5/11


Eloy:

We are all vessels of imperfect clay. Jesus is perfect, but we are not. Jesus gives us his righteousness, but not his perfection. If we were already perfect, there would be no need for him to exhort us to try to do so:
Matthew 5:48: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

If we were truly perfect, we would never need to call ourselves sinners, as did the Apostles even when speaking to the saints (1 Timothy 1:15, James 5:15, 1 John 1:9), and we would never die. All of us still suffer from the curse of death that Adam brought down on us. Next time you find a 200-year-old Christian, maybe then one can discuss perfection.
---StrongAxe on 3/5/11


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Paul, No I do not agree. God is not needful, or has need of any creature.
---Eloy on 3/4/11


Jasheradan, blaspheming the holy saints. Christ's work produces saints, not sinners. Consider this, if what you say is true that the saints are sinners, then why would you believe any thing Paul wrote, or even believe that any thing he wrote was Scripture at all? and why would you follow the scriptures if they was written by sinners and liars? for it would be foolishness to follow the advice of sinners.
---Eloy on 3/4/11


Did you really just compare God to a kid playing at the beach? Whats next? The kid with a giant magnifying glass over the ant farm burning ants for his pleasure.

Wow!

And you say *I* have no light in me?

This world is almost over, brothers and sisters. Look up!
---Jasheradan on 3/4/11


Donna //Eloy, the question wasn't Does God need us?//

Donna, the question was //Does the God of the universe need us to accomplish His will on Earth?//
---Pedant on 3/3/11


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So we all agree that our God does need us, or at least have need of us.

Nothing wrong with admitting that.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/3/11


Donna, No, God does not need humans to accomplish his will on earth. If he did, then he would not be Almighty. He created the orb and the humans on it for his own pleasure, much like a child at the beach will form a human shape out of the sand which shape resembles the shape of what the child looks like.
---Eloy on 3/3/11


Eloy, the question wasn't Does God need us? Of course God is self-sufficient and doesn't need us, but I believe He wants us. He created us, thus he must want us, right?
For what purpose? To Worship Him with all thine heart, mind, sould and body. To fellowship with us. To obey His Word and preach the gospel to others and of course to accomplish His will on earth. So the question wasn't Does God need us? The question was Does God need us to accomplish His will on Earth? When Moses wasn't allowed to enter the promise land, God chose Joshua to do it. It's a matter of if you want to Obey God and Do his will.
---Donna5535 on 3/3/11


Im sorry, Eloy. What exactly is the sin you are referring to?
---Jasheradan on 3/3/11


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"Eloy", you have no judgement. You are not God, nor are you Christ.

How do you have room in your heart for Spirit of Christ when you are so full of yourself?
---Jasheradan on 3/3/11


Jasheradan, I judge righteous judgment as I am commanded, and rightly accusing the guilty is riughteousness. jasheradan, as for your sin, if the shoe fits, you will wear it: for your sin has found you out.
---Eloy on 3/2/11


Paul, You are correct in saying that God's will is a participation, a cooperation on our part, but Goid does not "need" any thing at all. For God can say to mankind Go preach, and we can either obey and Go preach, or else we can refuse and not obey. Either action we take will bring a particular result. Either way, God's will will still be done, for if he must he even will Go himself in order to accomplish his will: and those whom obey are greatly blessed and those whom dis are greatly dissed.
---Eloy on 3/2/11


Well just ask Eloy. Since he uses G-ds name as his own.

I think its call Blasphemy!
---John on 3/2/11


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Donna 5535

I AGREE 100%, that is the point Im making.

God will accomplish His will, but His will in our lives requires our obedience.

Im not saying God needs us to accomplish His will, but He does need us to accomplish His will for our lives.
God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/2/11


Yeah thats right, Eloy. He created a hell for "the devil and his angels".

Satan is called "the accuser of the brethren" for a reason. By the looks of it, some here are doing his work for him and foolishly believe they are doing Gods will.

Look at all the time spent condemning one another just to prove who is more knowledgable of scripture. It does*NOTHING* to save the lost!

How many people are slipping into the pit of hell right now while we bicker amongst ourselves over trivial matters?

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant?
---Jasheradan on 3/2/11


Paul, the points I was trying to make is this: There were reasons why Moses didn't get to cross over to the Jordan, whether it be sin, or unbelief, or disobedience, thus His destiny in God wasn't FULLY fulfilled. So God used Joshua to cross over the Jordan.

The house that God did not let David build was because David sinned and even though He repented God said the thing you did is disgusting, thus you will not build me a house, however I'll let Solomon your son build it. So our sins, disobediences, etc., can keep us from fulfilling God's will and promises for our lives.
God will get the job done and if it isn't by you or me because of our disobedience or sin or wayward path we are taking, He'll use someone else to fulfill it.
---Donna5535 on 3/2/11


Paul, God does not need humans, and God does not need any thing, else he would not be God. However, he created humans and commands humans to do his will, now if they obey the humans are blessed and prosper, and if the humans disobey then the humans are cursed and destroyed. Therefore humans can follow and obey God and the land will prosper and be blessed, or else humans can reject and disobey God and the land will be polluted with violence and be cursed and destroyed.
---Eloy on 3/2/11


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HEll was created for the fallen angels but because of the sinfulness of man Hell itself had to be enlarge.
---mima on 3/2/11


Jasheradan, God created a hell also, for all those that are not his.
---Eloy on 3/1/11


Donna

Interesting post, would you mind to expound on it a little bit more.


God Bless, Paul
---paul on 3/1/11


Some people have a rock hard heart.

Do you need your children?
Do you love them or are they insignificant?
Would it mean nothing to you if they were sentenced to a burning prison for the rest of eternity?

Wouldnt you die for them to save their life?

What ever happened to preaching the love of God in Jesus Christ?
---Jasheradan on 3/1/11


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Nope...God needs nothing.
---Eloy on 3/1/11


//Paul
I suppose what I am asking is, If you don't obey Gods prompting will Gods plan for you, the things assigned specifically for you, be accomplished, will you reach, aspire or obtain the heights Christ has for you and your life?//

Paul I just wanted to remind you that The Israelites spent 40 years in the wilderness and Moses didn't get to cross over to Jordan.
David didn't get to build God a house. But God sucked Jonah right up and put him in the belly of a whale to accomplish his purpose for God's people, not for Jonah.
---Donna5535 on 3/1/11


Yep - we are the hands of feet of Jesus Christ if we are believers.

We are supposed to be doing what HE did when he was here on earth. He lives IN us.
---Jasheradan on 2/28/11


Gods need for you should be a sense of worth.

God does have a need for us, the Bible is full of Gods need for men to accomplish His will.

And angels are created beings with no concept of redemption therefore they can not spread the Gospel, no Bible for that.

Gods need for us ran so deep that He sent His son to experience fallen flesh and redemptive properties to die for us so He could have a relationship with us.

Id say that's filling a longing a desire a need.

Imagine Paul, had he declined the call to the Gentiles God would have made provision through another man but Gods plan for Paul would have gone undone.

Again does God need you to fulfill His plan for your life?
God Bless, Paul
---paul on 2/28/11


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\\I suppose what I am asking is, If you don't obey Gods prompting will Gods plan for you, the things assigned specifically for you, be accomplished, will you reach, aspire or obtain the heights Christ has for you and your life?\\

I believe I've already answered this question.
---Cluny on 2/28/11


Paul 2:
When I gave you what I did, it was not to reprove you, but something that you could see outside the box. The plan that God made, was a perfect plan. Yes, in this plan, He willed every event to the Coming of Christ and the indwelling of the Spirit for each believer so that they could spread the gospel. That was His design. He doesn't need us to spread the Gospel, for He could send angels to do that, and yet He doesn't need them either, for by His Word all could be save. It is just the way He designed the plan.
---Mark_V. on 2/28/11


Nope. God is Almighty, and he does not need any part of creation, and he does not need the earth nor the heavens that he made for his own pleasure.
---Eloy on 2/28/11


Cluny

I suppose what I am asking is, If you don't obey Gods prompting will Gods plan for you, the things assigned specifically for you, be accomplished, will you reach, aspire or obtain the heights Christ has for you and your life?

I don't minimize God by maximizing people, but rather encourage them to walk in their calling in the knowledge that they are somebody to Christ and they perform a very important service to Him.

And I haven't studied the word of faith movement and have no idea what its tenants are so I cant comment either way on that one.
God Bless, Paul
---paul on 2/28/11


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Paul, when God created this plan and not another, He created the way He wanted it to be. Cluny is correct, Our God is a Triune God. As Arthur Pink put it, In the beginning God" Gen. 1:1. There was a time, if "time" it could be called, when God, in the unity of His nature (though subsisting equally in Three Divine Persons), dwelt all alone. In the beginning there was no heaven, where His glory is now manifested, there was no earth to engage His attention, there was no angels to hymn His praises, no universe to be upheld by the word of His power, there was nothing but God: and that, not for a day or year or age, but from everlasting. God was alone self-contained, self-sufficient, self-satisfied, in need of nothing.
---Mark_V. on 2/28/11


\\Will Gods plan, vision and mission for your life be complete without your willingness to obey and perform according to that obedience.\\

Well, I know that **I** will not be complete if I don't obey God or His plan for me.

That may not be the answer you want, but it's the only one I can give.

** I think He may have been lonely and created us in His image.**

If God is perfect, needing nothing and nobody, how can He get lonely?
---Cluny on 2/27/11


Est 4:14 For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, [then] shall there enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place, but thou and thy father's house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth whether thou art come to the kingdom for [such] a time as this?
Luk 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
God doesn't need us, He wants us.
---micha9344 on 2/27/11


That's correct, God does use people 99% of the time.

And he is complete in Himself, no doubt about it.

Perhaps I'm not articulating it properly, Let me say it this way.

Will Gods plan, vision and mission for your life be complete without your willingness to obey and perform according to that obedience.

In that since does God need us?

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 2/27/11


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Cluny, it is indeed true God does not need anything or anyone to accomplish His will.

Have fun trying to tell this to those people who are of the Word Of Faith Movement.
---Rob on 2/27/11


God doesn't need anyone or anything. I think He may have been lonely and created us in His image.
---mona on 2/27/11


God is complete in Himself and doesn't need anything or anybody to accomplish His will.

However, He loves us greatly, and delights when we are willing to cooperate with Him, because He works through people 99% of the time.
---Cluny on 2/26/11


I would guess, no. God created all that exists without the help of any created being. If God is truly all powerful, how can His Will NOT be done on earth, with or without a man's cooperation.

If one person does not DO God's will for him, whatever the reason, will God choose someone else to do it? Surely His Will doesn't change on account of human flaws.

I have only questions myself...no answers on this.
---Donna66 on 2/27/11


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I don't desire to come across as worth or self-righteousness, for I'm not.

But without people Gods will toward His people ,in a humanistic way, wouldn't be done.

I know God can do all things but I also know I can do all things through Him and for Him.

My issue is when a minister stands before the congregation and declares unto them that God does not need any of them.

God has a plan for each one of them and does need them to accomplish that particular goal for their independent life.

God's will will be done in Earth as in Heaven regardless of whether I participate or not.

But His will for my life will never come to pass if I don't obey, therefore God indeed needs me.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 2/27/11


As Paul said in his post God is not needy especially as we think of what needy means to us. But praise the Lord he has chosen us, you and me, to work through to accomplish his will on earth!!
---mima on 2/27/11


In a way, He does not need us, because He does not depend on us.

But He desires to do the things He will do. So, in a way He needs whoever and whatever He will use to accomplish His will. Didn't Jesus say to tell those guys that He had "need" of the donkey and the colt of the donkey ? ? ? (Matthew 21:1-3)

Our Father greatly desires to have children who are like His Son Jesus so pleasing to Him. I suppose you could say He "needs" whatever He greatly desires. It is His nature to love. So, in order to love, He needs children for Him to have to love.

So, "need" can mean different things, including how a loving person needs to have people to love and care for.
---Bill_willa6989 on 2/27/11


While God may not need us in the fact that He can do it alone, God does need us in the fact that He chooses to use us in His plan. Just as Jesus Christ was needed for the plan of redeption here on Earth, we humans are called to carry on the ministry that Jesus started here on Earth - Preach the Gospel, heal the sick, cast out demons, heal the brokenhearted. Yes, God can do all of this by Himself, but He chooses to use us to do it. As the Bible says, freely you have received (from God), freely give (out to others).
---Leslie on 2/27/11


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Micha

You say no then explain how He need to use us to accomplish His will.

God's not needy, but He needs me to accomplish His will that He has ordained for me in my life.

God Bless, Paul
---paul on 2/26/11


-- Paul :

Brother, Think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Matt.3:9
---Shawn.M.T on 2/26/11


No, that is one of the ways He chose, that, by us, through our obedience to Him, His will is accomplished through us in ourselves and toward others.
---micha9344 on 2/26/11


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