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Divorced Due To Adultery

My ex husband and I are divorced due to him committing adultery along with fornication. I was told that if I remarry even though I divorced him I would be committing adultery. Please refer to Matthew 19:9. Who is right?

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Trav:
By your analogy, it sounds like you're implying that once Jesus died, Judah was now freed from being married to God, and can now freely go and marry any other god.
---StrongAxe on 3/28/11

Analogy?? Legal fact for: Nth House of Israel " & " Judah.. Romans 7:3
So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Isaiah 62:4
Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken, neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.
---Trav on 3/28/11


Trav:

By your analogy, it sounds like you're implying that once Jesus died, Judah was now freed from being married to God, and can now freely go and marry any other god.

You make it sound like being bound in marriage to God is a BAD thing (which seems absurd, since aren't all Christians part of the Bride of Christ?)

(Also, wouldn't Christ's death also free us from being the Bride of Christ also? The analogy doesn't make any sense.)
---StrongAxe on 3/28/11


Jesus prohibited divorce except for adultery, that included lying about ones virginity.
---Glenn on 3/25/11

This is based on the binding marriage of GOD to Israel (All of Israel and Judah).
Who in adultery with other GODs was polluted. He put...10 names of Israel away.
When the husband dies former wife widowed, is free to remarry. Note New Covenant comes into play with "ALL" Israel Heb8:8. Marriage rule is reviewed in OT and NCovenant Testatment.
Romans 7:2
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth, but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

"All" Israel...including Judah are freed by the death of Christ.
---Trav on 3/27/11


Jesus prohibited divorce except for adultery, that included lying about ones virginity. The non adulterer could remarry. The adulterer, and anyone marrying one, is entering a prohibited marriage. A divorce without cause, was no divorce, and so, another marriage was a type of bigamy. The exception is in 1Corinthians 7:15. If the unbeliever departs, the Christian can remarry because the marriage was not 'in the Lord'. Remarriage: Matthew 19:9, 1Corinthians 7:27-28.
Deuteronomy 22:17-19, 28-29, 24:1-4, Proverbs 2:17 (forsaketh husband), Isaiah 54:4-8, Jeremiah 3:1, Malachi 2:14-16, Matthew 5:31-32, 19:3-12, Mark 10:2-12, Luke 16:18, 1Corinthians 6:15-16, 7:10-17, 27-28.
---Glenn on 3/25/11


Trav:
I have always said Israel's prohibition against marrying foreigners was a matter of religion, not race.
---StrongAxe on 3/24/11

Well,ole pal of mine,always saying something untrue doesn't make it truth. Unless,you prefer it.
You keep bringing that axehead to get sharpened on stone of scripture. Easier..when u quit whacking at rock witnesses.
Deut 32:18
Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, hast forgotten God that formed thee.
Deuteronomy 32:9 For the LORD's portion is his people, Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
Isaiah 51:1
Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
---Trav on 3/25/11




Trav:

No, I am not answering my own question. I have always said Israel's prohibition against marrying foreigners was a matter of religion, not race. All approved exceptions were foreigners who sided with God and Israel - which are NOT exceptions at all, just part of the general rule I mentioned.

YOU were the one who brought in the whole idea that Ruth was OK because of close racial ties between Moab and Israel. I have just been showing how that was not the case.

You said: you may see this "near Kinsman" Benjamite did not "Balaam" by marrying her.

Sorry. I didn't understand that sentence. I have never heard "Balaam" used as a verb, so I'm not sure what you mean.
---StrongAxe on 3/24/11


Trav: She was a "near kinsman" because she was the widow of a Benjamite - HE was Boaz's kinsman (Ruth 2:1),
---StrongAxe on 3/24/11

You are doing good....answering your own questions...dig and you may see this "near Kinsman" Benjamite did not "Balaam" by marrying her.
When we started out you touted she was a foreign race.
Now what you really want is Israel to sin in this manner....so by rift of sin put you over them it appears. Balaam worked this angle.
Rev 2:14Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality.
---Trav on 3/24/11


Trav:

Ruth was NOT a "near kinsman" through Moab and Abraham. She was a "near kinsman" because she was the widow of a Benjamite - HE was Boaz's kinsman (Ruth 2:1), and it was Boaz's duty under the Levirate law to marry Ruth, and give her a son to carry on her dead husband's name and inheritance.
---StrongAxe on 3/24/11


Trav:
... Period. There was no "general exception" made for "nations that were not quite Israel, but close enough to be kin", as you seem to imply. ---StrongAxe on 3/22/11

But, Sir you make my point entirely. Mixing was done but, with a price. Death or penalty.
Ruth 3:9
he said, Who art thou? she answered,I am Ruth thine handmaid: ... for thou art a near kinsman.

You perceive that Moab was not related...but, they were of Abrahams blood lineage. They also were outcast relations for the most part.
Esau was Jacobs own twin brother. Blood relative to Israel....and his line carries it own prophecy's. I can watch the news and see Ishmaels Gen 9 prophecy in fulfillment.... today.
---Trav on 3/23/11


Trav:

It IS an issue. Israel (including Judah) was forbidden to intermarry from other nations. Period. There was no "general exception" made for "nations that were not quite Israel, but close enough to be kin", as you seem to imply. If you can find any such rule, I would be glad to hear about it, but I don't think you can find one.
---StrongAxe on 3/22/11




Could you please just HOW many generations back the dividing line between "close enough"
---StrongAxe on 3/21/11

Who beget,who beget, who beget who.
If it is a non issue you should just throw away two thirds of what you're holding.
Like you it did not matter to me, the whobegets. For fourty years. Scripture cannot be understood until we understand the: Who,what,where,why and when.

Who is this book talking about. Don't chop at the tree.
Isaiah 65:22
They shall not build, and another inhabit, they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
---Trav on 3/21/11


Trav:

Abraham was 2 generations back from Jacob/Israel. Terah (Lot's grandfather) was 3 back. Since you say that marrying Moabites was OK, you must believe that having a common ancestor 3 generations back is "close enough for intermarriage".

Noah was 9 generations further back (i.e. 12 back from Israel). All the foreign nations mentioned in the Bible (including all the forbidden idolatrous ones) were descended from Noah. So clearly, a common ancestor 12 generations back was NOT close enough.

Could you please just HOW many generations back the dividing line between "close enough" and "not close enough" is? And please show chapter and verse where such a rule is mentioned.
---StrongAxe on 3/21/11


Trav:
So what is it? Was Israel permitted to marry other outside races (like Moabites? or not?
---StrongAxe on 3/21/11

1 way not two. Lot was Abraham's nephew. Ruth in blood lineage tree. She was not a foreign race. Her collective tribe/people were forbidden. For their collective influence on/too Israel it appears.
Solomon married moabite women...wisest man who ever lived or will live (women musta had that "wow" come hither look). His wisdom was overcome by chemical/passion it appears.
The "Wisest" man can be overcome...we should just take off running in prescence of these kind.
I haven't screened further than she was "bloodline". Why don't you...you're the one chipping at it.
---Trav on 3/21/11


Trav:

You said Israel-Judah was forbidden to intermarry with any other than their own

Wait a minute. Earlier in this same thread you were arguing that the reason Ruth's marriage was OK was due to her RACE being closely related to Israel's.

Yet here you are saying that Israel was forbidden to marry outside their race.

So what is it? Was Israel permitted to marry other outside races (like Moabites? or not? You can't have it both ways - it's got to be either one or the other.
---StrongAxe on 3/21/11


Trav:
1. I am not being spiteful. I am just quoting facts....
2. I do not waste space lacing my posts with more than 50% sarcasm,...
3. Israel or Judah were permitted to marry them -
---StrongAxe on 3/17/11

1. Depends on the subject and recipient.
2. Depending on the subject and recipient.
3. Israel-Judah was forbidden to intermarry with any other than their own.
Leviticus 24:22
Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.
Numbers 36:9
Neither shall the inheritance remove from one tribe to another tribe, but every one of the tribes of the children of Israel shall keep himself to his own inheritance.
---Trav on 3/18/11


Trav:

I am not being spiteful. I am just quoting facts that are in the Bible (and calling attention to those that are claimed to be, but are not).

I do not waste space lacing my posts with more than 50% sarcasm, reducing space available for facts.

Please cite a single reference where another race's being "blessed" affected whether or not members of Israel or Judah were permitted to marry them - because that's what we're talking about here, isn't it?
---StrongAxe on 3/17/11


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Trav:
Why do you insist that SOME of those other nations were somehow more privileged than others?
...rather than just rambling sarcastic opinions?
---StrongAxe on 3/16/11

It is edifying/comforting that my rambling "Scripture provided Sword FACTS" cut through axe steel like wataw. Swish,swish.
You study history with blinders on? Do Christians have blessings others don't?
You jumped track on me somewhere....concerning other nations being more priviledged?

Now if referring to "other" nations of Israel than Judah....I'll show you hundreds. Not so much "Priviledged", your prickly little word...rather "Blessed". Blessing others. You included despite ur spitefulness.
---Trav on 3/17/11


Trav:

(cutting through the thick sarcasm with a diamond-encrusted blade...)

Yes, it was a VERY SMALL group that God's word was entrusted to. Israel alone OUT OF ALL THE OTHER NATIONS got God's revelation. The other nations (DESPITE all being also descended from Noah) were idolatrous pagan heathens.

Why do you insist that SOME of those other nations were somehow more privileged than others? Can you show any biblical proof (chapter and verse) rather than just rambling sarcastic opinions?
---StrongAxe on 3/16/11


Trav:
..scriptures you mentioned were addressed to Israel. Noah is not mentioned at all.
...one very small sliver of Noah's descendents.
---StrongAxe on 3/16/11

PaPa Noah is proud be assured.
This sliver of Noah answers ur question from another direction. Noah saved 8. Along comes Sliver. And Sliver gets married to GOD.
Sliver wrote these scriptures for sliver to sliver and about sliver.
Sliver shared/shares with the world.....everything. No wonder GOD loved/LOVES her.
Sliver made every mistake, but was punished and forgiven/redeemed.
Without Sliver we would not be blogging.
Poor old sliver is just a sliver to you/most....but, 2,318 times is mentioned by their GOD GIVEN name...Ruling With EL / GOD.
---Trav on 3/16/11


Trav:

Yes. The scriptures you mentioned were addressed to Israel. NOT to Noah. Noah is not mentioned at all.

Read Genesis 10 (also known as the "Table of Nations"). It lists the many descendants of Noah for several generations. These are many nations. Note particularly 10:6 mentions Mizraim (Egypt) who is very specifically a heathen nation mentioned many times elsewhere.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah - this line is mentioned in chapter 11, but is only one very small sliver of Noah's descendents.
---StrongAxe on 3/16/11


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Can you find any evidence of ANY nation in the Bible (after the flood) that was NOT descended from Noah?
---StrongAxe on 3/15/11

Lets witness evidence that GOD spoke of in Noah's line. "All" Israel and or including Judah.

Leviticus 20:26
Ye shall be holy(separate) unto me: for I the LORD am holy, have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Deuteronomy 32:9 For the LORD's portion is his people, Jacob is the lot of his inheritance
---Trav on 3/15/11


Trav:

The Moabites were descended from Lot - who were Abraham's kinsmen, but NOT descended from Abraham. As such, they were NOT heirs to any promises made to Abraham, even though they were (distantly) related.

The same applies to all the other nations - they were all distantly related because they were descended from Noah. Can you find any evidence of ANY nation in the Bible (after the flood) that was NOT descended from Noah?
---StrongAxe on 3/15/11


Trav ...
Cannot you see that Jesus was challenging the woman? That and in answering Him correctly with faith, she had here request met?
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/15/11

Your such a Huckleberry....
I pointed all along that it is an individual thing. Who posted the scripture...not you. You won't search yourself. GOD/Christ does righteously.
You looked hard to condemn me for posting scripture you can't balance. You're fine as long as you think you've replaced GOD's former love/wife. Selfish, you don't care what GOD wants or states.
Accept scripture for what it states....don't change what is not yours to change.
Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
---Trav on 3/15/11


Also, Moabites were also idol-worshipping pagans, hence forbidden to the Jews.
---StrongAxe on 3/14/11

Your contention was that she was not related. She was.

Moabites were bloodline lineage to Israel. Yes collectively/selectively they were not supposed to marry them.
You're protecting hedging for what you want scripture to say. We all have done it.
Truth. There is 1. Not 2, 1 7/8ths or 1/2. One.

Nehemiah 13:3
Now it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they separated from Israel all the mixed multitude.
---Trav on 3/15/11


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Trav:

I know people make mistakes, so I try to make sense of things even if they have spelling errors, grammar errors, and typographical errors. I also make all these kinds of errors myself on occasion. However, there are times when I just can't figure out what a person is trying to say. A "sentence" consisting entirely of a nouns often falls into that category.

I try to avoid picking on someone's spelling and grammar except when it's material to the discussion - for example, if it makes it difficult to understand them (as in this case), or if they themselves insist their incorrect grammar is correct (as some on this site do).

Also, Moabites were also idol-worshipping pagans, hence forbidden to the Jews.
---StrongAxe on 3/14/11


No. I didn't understand the sentence because it wasn't even a sentence at all, since it had no verb.
---StrongAxe on 3/13/11

Oooou. Bloody well precise eh. Refuse to acknowledge over a verb. Which part did you not achieve without a verb...herb?

Had you done any homework, one word would have been sufficient. Moabite. Offspring of Lot. (See) Lot= relative of Abraham.
---Trav on 3/14/11


Trav....(we are ALL descended from Noah, yes?).
If you can find any verse that specifically condemns intermarriage on the grounds of racial (rather than religious) impurity, I would be glad to hear it.
---StrongAxe on 3/14/11


We are all not descended from Noah. There was no "Global" flood. There was an "Erets" flood.
8 words for different strangers in the O.T. A variety of ten words for types stranger, in New Covenant testament.
Exodus 12:43
The LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:
Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
See: Balaam's error,N.T./O.T.
---Trav on 3/14/11


Trav:

There are laws in the Old Testament that deal with how strangers are to be assimilated into Israel when they accept the God of Israel. In the New Testament, it says that in Christ there is no Jew nor Greek. Time and again, God shows that he accepts people of any race as long as they serve HIM. And time and time again, God condemns worship of other gods. Mixing of races is constantly being condemned BECAUSE it leads to worship of other gods, but NEVER because it renders blood impure (remember, we are ALL descended from Noah, yes?).

If you can find any verse that specifically condemns intermarriage on the grounds of racial (rather than religious) impurity, I would be glad to hear it.
---StrongAxe on 3/14/11


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Trav:

I said: Sometimes it is hard to understand your posts because of incomplete sentences like: Ruth,Moabitess tree branch stanger,Lot's heritage offspring

You said: You didn't understand the sentence because you didn't research

No. I didn't understand the sentence because it wasn't even a sentence at all, since it had no verb.
---StrongAxe on 3/13/11


Trav:
Ruth,Moabitess tree branch stanger,Lot's heritage offspring
How about Ruth?
But this was because of RELIGION, NOT because of race.
---StrongAxe on 3/11/11

You didn't understand the sentence because you didn't research.

Ruth was a moabite the lineage of Lot Abrahams nephew. A Branch of the heriditary tree.
It was about race. Noah was perfect in his Generations. Un mixed.
Israel was separated from the mixed multitudes. By force sometimes...choice other times.
Deuteronomy 10:15
Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.

You approve mixed up adulterated confusion. GOD doesn't.
---Trav on 3/13/11


StrongAxe it comes down to this very fact with all other intellectual points subtracted.... It was God who gave the rules for divorce. Either what Moses, Ezra and Paul said was by inspiration of the Holy Spirit or it wasn't. God made a mistake or He didnt. Since He cant error it leaves the only other choice.
People are satisfied with reading words without knowing their meaning. This changes the content of the thought. It's like, I made a home run. So what does that mean? Investigate whether I was playing baseball or not to add credit to the conclusion.
---Elder on 3/13/11


Elder:

What I meant was that I was merely quoting what was said. If one thus percieves a contradiction between the Bible and what I said, and I was just quoting the Bible, then one's perceptions of contradiction must go to the Bible itself, indepent of anything I personally have said. (When I was talking about Ezra, I was just giving my own opinion about WHY the apparent contradiction was not, in fact, a contradiction).
---StrongAxe on 3/13/11


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Strongaxe, you are fine. I have read you enough to know that. What you said was, "I was just mentioning what Jesus said about it. If what he said was at variance with Erza, then you will need to take that up with Ezra and Jesus, not with me."
That statement kinda says that Ezra didn't speak under inspiration or that Jesus was wrong.
I know you meant neither.
God Bless.
---Elder on 3/12/11


Elder:

Please enlighten me to what I said that was at variance with what Jesus said. I really WOULD like to know (If I am saying things like that, I want to correct my understanding).
---StrongAxe on 3/12/11


Strongaxe, No, what Jesus and Erza said is at variance with what you said, that's all.
---Elder on 3/11/11


Elder:

I was just mentioning what Jesus said about it. If what he said was at variance with Erza, then you will need to take that up with Ezra and Jesus, not with me.
---StrongAxe on 3/11/11


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"Jesus mentioned that fornication was the only legitimate grounds for divorce. If Israel committed spiritual adultery against God, it stands to reason that God could spiritually divorce Israel."
StrongAxe
Wait now, I commented about God hating divorce. Many people don't understand the word "hate" used here. People misunderstand what "fornication" and "divorce" is also.
You state that "fornication was the only legitimate grounds for divorce." Then you say that God told people to do an illegitimate thing in Ezra 10. That can't be so can it?
Someone's facts are surely falling short, that I agree with.
---Elder on 3/11/11


Trav:

Sometimes it is hard to understand your posts because of incomplete sentences like: Ruth,Moabitess tree branch stanger,Lot's heritage offspring

You said: There is not one case of approved miscegenation in scripture....for Israel
How about Ruth? She was accepted and approved because she followed the God of Israel rather than foreign gods.

Yes, Ezra and Nehemiah spoke against it, but again, this was a matter of religion - men who married foreign wives (who typically worshipped foreign gods) would usually get caught up in their wives' idolatrous religions - hence, intermarriage was forbidden as a matter of policy. But this was because of RELIGION, NOT because of race.
---StrongAxe on 3/11/11


Elder:
...constant warnings about intermarriage with foreign women.
This was alays about idolatry, not miscegenation.
Yet Ruth was the counterexample - she was a foreign woman.
---StrongAxe on 3/10/11

This is not accurate actually your facts fall short in research.
Ruth,Moabitess tree branch stanger,Lot's heritage offspring.
Israel was who GOD chose for a wife. Whether we like it or not.
It was about miscegenation, still is.
There is not one case of approved miscegenation in scripture....for Israel.
Nehemiah 13:3
Now it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they separated from Israel all the mixed multitude.


Balaams error is still a warning in the New Convenant testaments.
---Trav on 3/11/11


strongaxe, i totally agree.
---aka on 3/10/11


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Elder:

In the Old Testament, there are constant warnings about intermarriage with foreign women. However, the reason for these was "lest they turn your hearts toward strange gods". This was alays about idolatry, not miscegenation. Solomon was the textbook case in this. Yet Ruth was the counterexample - she was a foreign woman who nevertheless chose to worship the God of Israel, and there is only praise and not condemnation there.

aka:

Jesus mentioned that fornication was the only legitimate grounds for divorce. If Israel committed spiritual adultery against God, it stands to reason that God could spiritually divorce Israel.
---StrongAxe on 3/10/11


//(Malachi 2:16) God hates divorce//
If God divorced Israel,does this mean that God hates what God does?
---aka on 3/8/11

Northern House divorce. Israel could not come back until GOD's own law would be met. For Nth House of Israel to be free for remarriage (be redeemed) husband (GOD) would have to die.
Has that happened??
Jeremiah 3:8I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Romans 7:2
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth, but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from law of her husband.
---Trav on 3/10/11


Has anyone ever read Ezra chapter 10? How many even know it is in the Bible.
What did God tell these people to do with their strange wives/mates?
---Elder on 3/10/11


aka:

Malachi 2 is not just a comment on "divorce". It is a comment about "putting away" and "dealing treacherously" - that is, marrying a woman, promising to take care of her for life, but then, when you're tired of her, changing your mind and tossing her out on the street to fend for herself. Note that like many other "crimes" of the old testament, including the sin of Onan (i.e. refusing to fulfil the Levirate law), this is a matter of abrogation of covenant/contractual obligations.

While many modern divorces fit this model, many don't (couples drifting apart and agreeing to part amicably, a wife running off with another man (the wife is to blame, the husband is not), etc.
---StrongAxe on 3/9/11


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strongaxe, i was just being precocious for effect. it is amazing how a simple semtence is misinterpreted and misapplied in consideration of the verse itself, the context around it, and the whole gospel itself.

//(Malachi 2:16) God hates divorce//

this is oversimplification of what was said in totality. If God divorced Israel,, does this mean that God hates what God does?

The verse means since God hates the fact that divorce became necessary, but if a man does for whatever reason, deal with her in a Godly spirit and without treachery.
---aka on 3/8/11


aka:

The implication is that God doesn't generally allow divorce (except for fornication) - so if you divorce your wife and marry another, you're NOT "really" divorced, so marrying the second is committing bigamy.

That being true, remarrying the wife you divorced wouldn't be adultery, since you never "really" divorced her in the first place - you're just STILL married to her.
---StrongAxe on 3/7/11


It is not a question of who is right. The bible is always right,wihout question. Understanding what the scripts means is another thing. But we have to keep in mind (Malachi 2:16) God hates divorce. But if a spouse is caught in adultery, you can divorce. The better choice would be: how can I forgive the offending spouse. Also remember. Being single is not a death sentence. Perhaps you may want to consider, remaining single, after the divorce. But if you truly desire to remarry,ultimately this decision to marry will be between you, your potential spouse and God. Pray and ask God to show you His will. Not yours.Then follow his leading.
---Robyn on 3/7/11


Divorce is permitted in cases of adultery but its still adultery to marry another. There is no dichotomy here remembering what is permitted by God (because of our evil hearts) is still not approved by God.
---larry on 3/7/11


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Scripture: Mat 19:9

what if a woman who was put away for her fornication remarried a man who put away his wife for fornication?

what if a man gets divorced (not for fornication) and that man gets remarried to the mother of his children of whom he divorced?
---aka on 3/7/11


1 Cor 7:27-28 'Art thou bound to a wife? Seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? Seek not a wife. But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned..." Remarriage applies for victims of adultery/abandonment(1 Cor 7:15). Some thoughts: if you marry an abuser how could it possibly be God's will for you to stay married? It was most likely not God's will in the first place! What GOD hath joined together is the discerning key. People marry for wrong reasons. Couples should do all they can to save a marriage, but divorce under some circumstances can be God's way to correct us and bless a holy matrimony in the future. I know several people who, had they not gone through a divorce, would have never sought Christ.
---Sarahc on 3/6/11


mima you said:
"28-But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
There you have it are you guilty?
---mima on 3/5/11

Virtually everyone is guilty of that one at some time. But that is not justification for divorce.

The reason why people divorce is as Jesus said "hardness of heart". For hard hearted people ANY excuse is reason for divorce.

Hardness of heart is the problem.
---Haz27 on 3/5/11



Scripture:
Mat 19:9
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Rom 7:2
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth, but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.

Rom 7:3
So then if, while [her] husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
---Carla on 3/5/11


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Donna: I never claimed to be a Bible expert, as you seem to be. That is why I prefaced my answer with the phrase, "It is my understanding..."
---Trish9863 on 3/5/11


First I have yet to meet a divorced person who was at fault. Next let us consider whether or not you ,yes little oh you are guilty of adultery?
Let's look at Matthew5-28

28-But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
There you have it are you guilty?
---mima on 3/5/11


//God divorced Israel.--aka on 3/4/11//
Good point--Praise God forgiveness.

Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a [bill of divorce], yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

True Message-Forgiveness.
Because of the Death and Resurrection of Yeshua (Christ) repentance is made unto remission He is not Dead---He has Risen.
Beautiful LOVE STORY--

Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken Is 62:33-5
Jer31(all) Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.


---char on 3/5/11


What message are you preaching?

Luke 24:45-47 Then [opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures],
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to

[rise from the dead the third day]:
And that

[Repentance and Remission
of sins]

should be preached in

[His Name]

among

[all nations],

beginning at Jerusalem.

Praise God for His mercy and grace.
---char on 3/5/11


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Eloy:

Your argument about not wanting to attach a second limb because you might risk having to amputate (NOT "amputize") THAT one too does not follow. There is always a risk a limb (or a marriage) won't take, and that risk is the same whether it it the first, second, or tenth. Yet Jesus does not forbid a first marriage "in case that might end in divorce".


tonne:

Under Old Testament law, adultery was a married woman lying with another man (Dt 22:22). A married man lying with another woman was not adultery. A man could have as many wives and concubines as he wanted. If he lay with a virgin, he was required to marry her (Ex 22:16-17) but that a matter of civil law, not criminal nor religious law.
---StrongAxe on 3/5/11


//The Scripture is correct...if you are a Christian, you commit adultery if you remarry.//

God divorced Israel. If God remarries, which He prophesied, is He going to be guilty of adultery?

The scripture in total says that if you remarry you commit adultry unless you divorced for fornication.

God divorced Israel for spiritual fornication.

//How come Soloman had 600 wives and it wasn't viewed as adultry?//

who said that it wasn't? the madonna effect (the need to put halos on everyone in the bible)is alive and well in mixed theology churches and hearts.

we want to see solomon as very wise, but as wise as he was, he was even more foolish. this makes him a great politician and not a great man of God.
---aka on 3/4/11


One of the reasons that I RETURNED to the Catholic Church was their support FOR marriage. And NOT for divorces and remarriages.

I sense that Protestant, Independent, Charasmatic, etc. churches are very liberal in the area of marriage, divorce, and remarriage. Maybe even TOO liberal.

Jesus clearly stated in Matthew 19:9 that "adultery" ended a marriage and that the spouses could divorce.

However, Jesus did NOT say that you could remarry. That's another form of "adultery"! Jesus says so in Luke 16:18.

Divorcees should remain single.
---Sag on 3/4/11


Marriage where two people become one flesh and one body is intended to be a lifetime commitment. Too many people treat marriage as a short date. "What God has joined together let not a human destroy." If you were forced to amputize an unrighteous member of your body, then why would you ever merge again with another person which could likewise turn against you, and you be forced to divide again the merged member of your body?
---Eloy on 3/4/11


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It is my understanding that his adultery frees you from being accused of adulery, should you remarry. Trish9863 on 3/2/11

Trish, if what you're saying is true (and I do NOT believe it is) then that means his sin is what frees her from being accused of adultery -where did Jesus say that? That is a very misguided statement and that isn't the truth at all.
---Donna5535 on 3/4/11


Augie, you are correct. When Moses changed what God had ordained he did it because of the hardest of the people's hearts. It became a tradition of man to dump their wives for no good reason, so Moses gave them one reason only. God did not intent for it to be that way. And as far as to the question about many wives, it was permitted in the beginning. Many had many wives, slaves, and so many things not permitted now. With the exception of some Mormons, and I'm sure in some countries who have concubines. We should also take into consideration what someone said on another blog, that we are under the New Covenant. In Christ, and many things change since we are not under the Law. I agree with God though, from the beginning.
---Mark_V. on 3/4/11


Praise God for repentance unto remission.

Christ died and rose from the dead--A
[Complete] Action---no need to be repeated.
---char on 3/4/11


The Scripture is correct. I've seen some pastors but there own "spin" of this verse and say it doesn't apply if the person gets married before they become a Christian. But to me the Scripture is very clear at this point, if you are a Christian, you commit adultery if you remarry.
---wivv on 3/3/11


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I don't know what the other two bloggers are saying?
---Carla on 3/3/11

GOD's original plan was for marriage -- between one man, and one woman -- to be for life. However, sin corrupted that plan, just as it did everything else in the world.

GOD was deeply upset, yet HE choose to let sin continue. I believe that the purpose was to "Illustrate" -- to us -- the difference between GOD's ways and the WORLD's ways.

People are free to choose between: GOD's ways for marriage -- an original marriage for life, and the WORLD's ways for marriage or remarriages.

The same goes for every other choice we make. GOD's ways or the WORLD's. GOD permits it all and respects our choices.
---Augie on 3/3/11


How come Soloman had 600 wives and it wasn't viewed as adultry?
---tonne on 3/3/11


Maybe you should ask King Soloman I am sure he is an expert in that field.
---mona on 3/3/11


When God divorced Israel for spiritual fornication, did He not marry another people?

You bet He did. The church is now the bride of Christ.
---CraigA on 3/4/11


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Jesus did not agree with Moses command for divorce, because in Matt. 19:4-6 He explained what was binding from the beginning with God. But since Moses had given that permission Jesus went ahead and gave v, 8,9.
"Because of the hardness of your hearts" The phrase underscores the truth that divorce is only a last resort response to hard-hearted sexual immorality (v.9). Jesus includes this "exception clause" clearly permitting the innocent party in such a divorce to remarry without incurring the stigma of one who "commits adultery." Divorce was allow in cases of adultery Luke 16:18 and more is said in 1 Cor. 7:15.
---Mark_V. on 3/4/11


Donna and Carla are correct.
Scripture tells us that should your partner die THEN you are free to marry another.
Also scripture says that if an unbelieving partner leaves then you are no longer bound to them.
Apart from these there seems to be nothing.

Interesting that many churches support marrying divorcees without scriptural basis to do so.
Is it any wonder that so many Christians are divorcing and remarrying.
Churches encourage it by their unscriptural support for it.
Such churches follow worldly trends.

Augie is correct that remarriages are more challenging. Odds are against their success.

---Haz27 on 3/4/11


Donna is perfectly right!
people need to rightly divide the word of truth a workman unashamed stands approved by God. Because his word mirrors word for the word Scripture.

I don't know what the other two bloggers are saying? since none of this advice is Bible and if it is then pray show where a woman can remarry!

B,V,S. Bible verse scripture?

---Carla on 3/3/11


It is my understanding that his adultery frees you from being accused of adulery, should you remarry. It would be best to seek the counsel of your pastor, as your church may have other guidelines that we do not know of.
---Trish9863 on 3/2/11


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Matthew 19:9 says Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

I have been through a divorce. This passage permits you to remarry. Your Ex's sexually immorality ended your former marriage.

Just remember that remarriages are more challenging than original marriages.
---Augie on 3/3/11


Jesus is right and the Apostle Paul is right. Most people think that Jesus said, if you get divorced for reason of adultery, you can remarry - that's NOT what Jesus said. He said you can get divorced for reason of adultery, but he never said you can remarry if that's the reason you got divorced. Yet man seems to twist the word to fit his desires and not God's will.
The Apostle Paul said, "if she leaves her husband, she is to remain single." The only way you can remarry is if your husband dies.
---Donna5535 on 3/3/11


this is only referring to the adulterer, not the person whom got cheated on. they are free to remarry without the guilt,penilty.
---candice on 3/3/11


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