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Why Solomon's Many Wives

Why did Solomon have 600 wives?

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Carla, Saul aka St. Paul was married, he was a member of Sanhedrin and you had to be married to be a member of Sanhedrin. So your comment of 2/25/11 on the applicability of Mat 22:30 is unfounded.
---Blogger9211 on 3/26/11


Francis, I do not believe you get what I'm trying to say here. God has an order of things, and anything out of that order is sin. That God permits David or anyone else to have concubines or other wives, does not mean God wants man to go against His own order. God permits sin to continue in the world, that is not what God wants. God hates sin, but permits sin to continue for a reason. He permitted the brothers of Joseph to sell him, though it was a wicked act by the brothers, God had a purpose for that wickedness of their brothers. All God did was to permit it to happen, He did not cause it to happen or did He love their wickedness. You are suggesting that because God permitted those things to happen He was giving His approval.
---Mark_V. on 3/27/11


---Mark_V. on 3/26/11

2 Samuel 12:8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom,
Not to clean house, and God promised him that if that was not enough he would have given him MORE,
God told david that adultery would blaspheme the name of God, but David had MANY wives and concubines and that did NOT blaspheme Gods name.
---francis on 3/26/11


Mark_V.:

Exactly. In exactly the same way, one could say "Polygamy is wrong, so even though my brother died childless, I cannot marry his widow because I am already married". Such a statement would place a traditional prohibition (not mentioned in the Bible, merely deduced from reading between the lines) ABOVE an explicit commandment.

Also, with ANY other kind of property, if somebody gives me your property, I am free to use it as I will. If it's land, I can build on it. If it's a car, I can drive it. If it's money, I can spend it. Why would you assume that wives (treated as property here) would be the sole exception to this rule? If so, such an assumption would again be reading something into the text that is not there.
---StrongAxe on 3/26/11


Marry many then francis, or are you afraid of the laws of men?
If it is good in the sight of God as you say, then manmade laws should not detain you from doing right in the sight of God.
Have many wives, francis.. Do what's right..
Do not take this false doctrine of monogamy.
Do not waver on your stance, preaching one thing and doing another, as the hypocrits...
Be a man, gird up your loins, get yourself some wives, if it is truly what God finds pleasing...
Don't back out now, no excuses...
---micha9344 on 3/26/11




---Mark_V. on 3/25/11
I AM NOT PROMOTING POLYGAMY BUT...

Nice post well thought out.
1: See strongaxe post, how is it that everything EXCLUDES wives?

2: The prophecy is given that one is his OWN HOUSE will take his wife and ..2 Samuel 16:22, and Absalom went in unto his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel.

3: the child born to david and bathsheba in adultery was taken, BUT the child born to david and bathsheba polygamous marriage is blessed.

God is willing to give david MORE WIVES instead of having him take another mans wife in adultery.
---francis on 3/26/11


Strongaxe, Scripture no where say's he married the wives of Saul. Only that they were given to David. They could have been used to clean house, help others, cook, etc, what we are told is that all Saul had was given to David, including his wives.
Jesus spoke of the order of God when He quoted from Genesis.

Concerning Corban, Jesus upbraids the Pharisees soundly for their practices. In the practice of corban a man could declare that all his money would go to the temple treasury when he died, and that, since his money belonged to God, he was therefore no longer responsible for maintaining his aging parents. Jesus argues that men were using this Pharisaic tradition to render God's Command (the fifth commandment) of no account.
---Mark_V. on 3/26/11


Mark_V.:

It may be reasonable to extrapolate, and interpret that a scripture that says "wives" actually means "everything that he owns".

However, if you interpret "wives" as meaning "everything he owns EXCLUDING WIVES", you are making scripture say the exact opposite of what it actually says.

This is the same kind of dangerous thinking that the Pharisees got into when they used the idea of Korban offerings to negate the duty to honor one's father and mother.
---StrongAxe on 3/25/11


Francis, very good passage you gave to try to convince others that God is all for polygamy, but the passage does not teach that any of the wives of Saul, became Davids wives. The phrase means nothing more than that God in His providence had given David, as King, everything that Saul had. There is no evidence that David ever married any of Saul's wives. It was a good Scripture that tries to support the view that God permits it. But just not true at all. I'm sure you will find more.
---Mark_V. on 3/25/11


//So, was it good for his countrymen? I would say yes.//

i mean long term verses short term.

if you wanna play, your children have to pay.
---aka on 3/25/11




von:

The Old Testament gave different roles (and different rights) to men and women. A woman was only permitted to have one husband (as in the example you cited), but a man was permitted to have more than one wife.

The whole levirate law was provided so that if a man died childless, he could still get an heir by his wife marrying his brother. Of course the whole thing would make no sense if the man was still alive.
---StrongAxe on 3/25/11


Francis,
I'm Tappin Out before I step in the ring to answer that verse you quoted. Anybody else is welcome to step in for me. LOL
Just when I thought I had every apologetic covered regarding my stance on this subject... you throw a HAY-MAKER!!!
---Legends on 3/25/11


It is biblically imposible to make a case that polygamy is a sin.
Most of the people near and dear to God were polygamist and were never ever admonished.
What makes it imposible to make a case againstit is this:
2 Samuel 12:8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah, and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

God himself gives to David His masters wifes to his bosom, and lets David know that should he want more power, teritory or WIVES God would have gladly given it to him.

Now God does not tempt anyone to sin, so why is he giving David all these wives?
---francis on 3/25/11


aka:

Solomon was one of the most powerful men of his day (not to mention the most powerful king of Judah). His country experienced a period of peace and prosperity that it had never had before that, nor ever since. This was due, in large part, to his ability to make peace with the kings of many surrounding nations - peace that was sealed by marrying their daughters.

So, was it good for his countrymen? I would say yes.

What happened to the tribes of Jacob? They split apart - NOT because of Solomon, but because of the obstinacy of his son who let the powers of kingship go to his head. Solomon was a good king, his son was not.
---StrongAxe on 3/25/11


in the bible:

1Co 10:23

"All things are [biblical]," but not all things are helpful.

"All things are [biblical]," but not all things build up.

1Co 10:24

Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.

was Solomon's many wives and concubines good for his countrymen? what happened to the temple? what happened to the tribes of Jacob?
---aka on 3/24/11


to strongaxe,youve mentioned that polygamy was required based on the verse in Leviticus that says that if the wife's husband dies the brother will have to marry her.i think this is alright because the husband already died.but if you do this while the husband is still alive that makes it a sin based on the 10 commandments.this would imply that polygamy isnt accepted by God's standard.
---von on 3/24/11


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Now pick sense out of non sense. It is only asked of Bishops to have only one wife?

Rom 12:4
For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
( as a bishop) for example
BUT....
Rom 12:5
So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

who did not have a wife, neither did Paul, therefore the demonstration of wives is (carnal) not spiritual.

OR

Mat 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
---Carla on 3/25/11


Strongaxe, I myself don't believe you are promoting polygamy but I do believe you are reading this subject as if God had not given an order of things. And He did. When He said,
"Therefore a man (not many man) shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife (not many wives) and they shall become one flesh"
What do you think the purpose of that passage is? That the two become as one flesh. That is the order of things from God. Anything that is oppose to that order is sin. Sin is missing the mark of God standard. God standards expresses His own righteousness and is the ultimate standard for our behavior. When we miss achieving this standard, we sin.
---Mark_V. on 3/25/11


You're making a good point, StrongAxe.

Many things, such as slavery and polygamy, were tolerated in Biblical times, though they would be condemned today.

And nowhere does the Bible say that either is good in itself.
---Cluny on 3/24/11


Carla:

I say time and time again that I am NOT promoting polygamy. I am just saying that those who insist the Bible is against it are reading something into the text that isn't there.

The Bible doesn't prohibit smoking marijuana either, but the moment it's legalized, I will be the first in line to "just say no".

Saying "something is allowed" is NOT the same as saying it is good - just as when others say "something is bad", they are not justified in saying it is forbidden.

And I question what you mean by "biblical standards". I am arguing based on what the Bible ACTUALLY says (and doesn't say), while others argue what they think it OUGHT to say - which is more biblical?
---StrongAxe on 3/24/11


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What makes me not waste my time on this subject is that strongaxe has an 'axe' to grind.

His arguments and that of others support the break down in biblical standards once again soon because it is not written the challenge will go out for women too!!!!.

Proof: 'HE ONLY HAS ONE WIFE'

If it were permitted don't try to guess who would be at the front of the que that should answer his question.

Even if you could have one wife, ur can hardly afford the one you have,
---Carla on 3/24/11


CraigA:

I realize that, like most people, I am a fallible human being. I don't presume to prophesy nor render divine judgments (as some here do). All I can do is point out what others with better authority (for example, Bible authors) have said, or have not said, on a particular subject. If someone disagrees with that, it's much more clear who is on the losing side than just a "he said/she said"-type argument.
---StrongAxe on 3/24/11


Its nice to see bloggers who can disagree without claiming the other doesnt have the Spirit of God or doesnt even know God.

Kudos to Strongaxe and Legends
---CraigA on 3/23/11


francis:

Exactly!

And note the Levirate law that you just quoted from Deuteronomy 25:5. Not only does this permit polygamy, it is one case that may actually REQUIRES it. If your brother dies childless, you are REQUIRED to marry his widow, and there is no mention of any kind of escape clause "oh I can't because I'm already married".

So, if one would refuse to marry on these grounds, one would use a tradition (i.e. the idea that polygamy is bad) to invalidate an explicit commandment (i.e "Thou Shalt Marry Thy Childless Brother's Widow"). Jesus was not pleased when the Pharisees used their own traditions to supercede commandments (Mark 7:6-13).
---StrongAxe on 3/23/11


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1: Exodus 21:4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.

2:Deuteronomy 25:5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.

3: 2 Samuel 12:8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah, and if [that had been] too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

IT IS NO SIN
---francis on 3/23/11


Mark_V.:

Thank you. Finally a sensible comment on this issue.
---StrongAxe on 3/23/11


Strongaxe, I believe too much is made of something not written in Scripture. What we have are the commands of God. How we should live and follow His commands. If anything is out of order, it is rebellion, no matter what it is. While it might not be a worse sin then others, it all depends what happens when someone has more the one. There is a reason why polygamy was not mentioned, because God through the Spirit would reveal that to us when we read the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 3/23/11


trey:

Yes. BISHOPS and DEACONS. If such laws were intended to apply to EVERYONE, surely Paul could have made it much easier on himself, and us, by saying so. But he didn't, and he must have had a good reason.

Matthew 19:5 mentions a wife, but does not say ONE wife - any more than "spare the rod and spoil the child" is a commandment to not have more than one child. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey, but that in no way implies that one may not have two donkeys.

Look at what you are saying - you say the Bible does not say you can have two wives. I agree - BUT IT DOES NOT SAY YOU CAN'T either. Any argument for EITHER side is an argument from silence - about what the Bible does NOT say, NOT about what it DOES say.
---StrongAxe on 3/23/11


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Strongaxe, here are a few scriptures for you to think upon:
1Ti3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach,
1Tim 3:12 - same goes for the deacons.
We've mentioned Gen 2:24.
Mt19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they two shall be one flesh?
1Co7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
Tit1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of rebellion or unruly.
Eph 5:31
All speak of one wife and one husband.
Solomon's problem was he did not follow Deu 17:17
---trey on 3/22/11


trey:

#1. "God made one man and one woman" proves nothing. One can never generalize from a single specific example. Otherwise, you could extrapolate ANY aspect of that situation to absurd conclusions (e.g. "Adam married a naked woman, so you should too").

#3. I have stated time and time again I do NOT advocate polygamy (unlike Joseph Smith). I merely show that the Bible never forbids it in general (and, in the case of the Levirate law, may actually require it.)

It is very different to say "polygamy is wrong" and "The Bible teaches polygamy is wrong". The first may be true, but the second is not. To insist it does puts words in the Bible's mouth that simply are not there - most unwise.
---StrongAxe on 3/22/11


strongaxe, #1: The point is God made one man and one woman.
#2: You are correct in the fact that it was him being unequally yoked that led him into idolatry.
#3: If you are try to prove that it is morally acceptable for a man to have multiple wives then I would place you in the same catagory as the heretic Joseph Smith.
---trey on 3/21/11


Carla:

You said:
Guess strongaxe
Is reading some other Bible !!!!!!


Oh? how so? Please explain how ANY passages you mentioned related to marriage - the topic at hand. And if any passages I quoted was wrong, please tell me which ones.


trey:

You cannot argue from one example and say "everything else must be done THIS way". Otherwise, by the same logic, if you marry any woman born (i.e. not created from a rib) you're doing it wrong.

Royal marriages were typically based on political alliances, not love and lust, even into modern times. The reason Solomon's wives got him into trouble was NOT because of the number, but becuase they swayed him into IDOLATRY (which is ALWAYS a no-no).
---StrongAxe on 3/21/11


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Guess strongaxe

Is reading some other Bible !!!!!!

Rev 17:2
With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Rev 18:3
For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Rev 18:9
And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
---Carla on 3/19/11


God did not make Adam and Eves. He made Adam, and from his rib made Eve.
When Eve was brought to Adam the scriptures state:
Ge2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. (Note: A Man - singular, his wife - singular.)
The Apostle Paul makes it clear:
Eph5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. (Note: two shall be one.)
Last of all:Eph5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it, (Christ is our example. He only has one wife!)

Solomon had 600 wives out of lust and covetousness and it lead to his destruction.
---trey on 3/18/11


Strongaxe, because the Bible does not mention that polygamy is sin, does not exempt it from been sin. The Bible does not mention many things that are sin. It mentions what we should do and how we should behave and how we should live. If we do not conform to what God says, it is sin. Marriage is between a man and one woman. Never between many other women. When God tells us how do something and we disobey it is rebellion against God. All rebellion is sin.
I accept that you believe its not, but I believe it is. Next, Never go against conscience, for the Spirit speaks to our conscience. Another reason it is sin, because God tells us to follow the laws of the land, in this case the law of the land is one man one woman. At least here in the states.
---Mark_V. on 3/18/11


Mark_V.:

1) Polygamy was never mentioned anywhere as a sin. It was prohibited to certain people, but NOT generally. To infer that it WAS a sin is to read something into the Bible that is not there
2) Jesus spoke positively about monogamy, but he NEVER spoke negatively about polygamy.
3) None of the prophets spoke negatively about it either.
4) There were some occasions where polygamy was REQUIRED BY LAW. In particular, if a man died without male heirs, his closest kinsman was required to marry his widow, to give him an heir. There was no exception permitted if the kinsmen was ALREADY married.

If it were a sin, surely SOMEBODY would have mentioned it being a sin AT LEAST ONCE?
---StrongAxe on 3/18/11


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Strongaxe, you are right, some sins were worse then others that is for sure. Probably Idolatry was the worse, and the most mentioned. Just about every time people ask Jesus about something, He would always take them to what God had said in the Old Testament. The people developed their own traditions, but they were not from God. God set an order of things, but man always tried to change what God had instructed them. Yes, Polygamy was done, but not by the order of God. It was still sin nevertheless, maybe not as sinful as Idolatry but still sin because it missed the mark of God's standards.
One man, one women, become one.
---Mark_V. on 3/18/11


Mark_V.:

Scripture condemns many things seldom because few people do them. Some thigns it condemns CONSTANTLY because they are common problems (idolatry, adultery, etc.). Polygamy was common (EVERY patriarch had multiple wives), yet the prophets that constantly screamed about this and that sin were curiously silent about polygamy.

Marrying foreign women (since they tempted one into idolatry) was often condemned - and Solomon WAS condemned for multiple wives for THIS reason, not because of numbers.

It's also curious Israel's two good kings were polygamous, while there is no mention of the evil ones being so. Should one deduce from this silence that monogamy is evil? Unlikely.
---StrongAxe on 3/18/11


Strongaxe, I believe that Legends is correct. Stop to think, just because something is not written in Scripture to be wrong, what is right is written. When the problem about divorce was brought up to Jesus, He took them to Gen.
"therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh"
The passage is pretty clear to me that God did not mean many wives, but one. Two becoming one. He did not say, man be joined to many wives, and if God wanted it that way, He would have told us. Of course after the world of that time got populated there were many women, and men took advantage of his power, and took as many as he wanted depending on his status, because of sin.
---Mark_V. on 3/18/11


Legends:

Thank you.
It has often been pointed out that polygamy is generally a bad idea. I never argue this point (since I tend to agree). All I do is to point out that those who believe that the Bible PROHIBITS polygamy in general are wrong, since nowhere does it do that.

It is a very different thing to say "XYZ is bad" from saying "The Bible says XYZ is bad", and unfortunately many do not make that distinction.
---StrongAxe on 3/17/11


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StrongAxe,
BTW, I've enjoyed this! I may not agree with you on all points. And you may not with me. But last time I checked, our absolute agreement on all points was not a requirement from God(like marriage to one woman is...LOL).
Seriously StrongAxe, you argue your point of view VERY well! I had to dig deep for the scriptures I used. I think they have a strong point against the practice of polygamy. Of course the strongest point may well be... Who'd want 2 or more wives? LOL
For me, I believe the scriptural reasons are evident that multiple wives disqualify one from becoming a ministry leader because polygamy itself causes you to be blamable NOT blameless. That's how I interpret Paul's instructions.
I May be wrong? I May not!
---Legends on 3/16/11


The word said from the beginning and so it was from the beginning.

Anyone one advocating three is bed is as sick as the suggestion.

Sodomite and orgies are for godless people. God said it was not to be so for the masses he allowed those to have wives according to the lusts of their hearts or through his will.

There is no such commandment, want to generalise well there are many things God said not to do yet we do them so why argue on the account of men having more than one wife, when you can read perfectly well scripture say a man of one wife.

A clear indication of Godly office, every man have his own wife not wives.

Preach the word not HERSAY!
---Carla on 3/16/11


Legends:

Not at all. Drunkeneness would NOT be allowed because Scripture condemns it time and time again without reference to leaders.

You said: Multiple wives carry BLAME! You say,"Nothing BLAMABLE about the practice."
Can you find any scripture that equates the two? I cannot.

1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1 mention several qualities of bishops and deacons. These are all DIFFERENT qualities, which is why they are all listed. Sobriety is not hospitality. Blamelessness is not monogamy. A bishop must possess ALL of these qualities. Note also that Paul THREE TIMES mentions "man of one wife". In ALL CASES it is with respect to bishops and deacons - NOT a general commandment to everyone.
---StrongAxe on 3/16/11


[Repeated examples of what IS allowed do not in any way define what is NOT allowed] StrongAxe on 3/11/11

StrongAxe, using your logic: Though Paul writes what IS allowed in leader's marriage, your logic also allows "whosoever will" to not be vigilant. Drunkeness would be allowed along with bad behavior and poor teaching skills.

1 Timothy3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach.


Also: 1 Timothy3:12
Let the deacons(table servers) be the husbands of one wife.

Titus 1:6
If any be BLAMELESS, the husband of one wife.
Multiple wives carry BLAME! You say,"Nothing BLAMABLE about the practice."
---Legends on 3/15/11


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Trav:
Do you also believe that there are races not descended from Adam? ---StrongAxe on 3/14/11

Generations of Noah were perfect. He & his own were the last of the Adamic line.
You infer (without meaning too) that after all the trouble gone too....GOD failed.
We've all been indoc'd schooled by foolish men and doctrines of girlie boys.
Shem to Terah the line to Israel. Abraham and Sarah were both through this line.

Sons of Noah are scattered thru russian,greek,celtic even philistines peoples. Find a lineage tree chart.
Deut 32:8 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set bounds of the people according to number of children of Israel.
---Trav on 3/15/11


Trav:

After the flood, the Bible describes how various descendants of Noah spread out in every direction. If you believe that the flood was not world wide, presumably you also believe that there are races that are not descended from Noah. Can you describe which ones these are? Do you also believe that there are races not descended from Adam?
---StrongAxe on 3/14/11


In the Great Condemnation aka FLOOD in Genesis6, 8 married humans were spared. That's 4 sets of 2!
4... The symbolic number for the entire earth.
If symbolic number for earth is 4, then 4 sets of 2 may mean, God's will regarding ALL EARTHLY marriage is one man/one wife NOT 600.
---Legends on 3/11/11

Flood wasn't world wide...what you referring to may have substance in Noah's linage.
Only numbers with symbolic meaning applied to Israels lineage...Adam, Noah,Abraham, Issac,Joseph, Jacob and Israel.

12 divisable by 4 is recurrant.
Revelation 21:12
And had a wall great and high, twelve gates, at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are names of the twelve tribes of children of Israel:
---Trav on 3/13/11


Legends:

Repeated examples of what IS allowed do not in any way define what is NOT allowed.

If a parent tells a child he can eat lettuce and tomatoes and celery, but neglects to mention turnips, this does not in any way condone NOR FORBID the eating of turnips.

It's true that there were four couples on the Ark, but that is hardly a representative sample of the human race. One might just as easily argue that (supposing Eve had dark hair), that because Adam married a dark haired woman, marrying a blonde is not allowed (or, if you suppose that she was blonde, that marrying dark haired woman is not allowed). Such extrapolations are, of course, absurd.
---StrongAxe on 3/11/11


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pt3
Witness of Genesis2:
v24 and they(TWO) shall be one flesh.
v25 And they(TWO) were both naked, the man and his wife.

Witness of Jesus in Mark 10:
v8 And they twain(TWO, not 3 and certainly not 600) shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain(TWO), but one flesh.
v9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

In the Great Condemnation aka FLOOD in Genesis6, 8 married humans were spared. That's 4 sets of 2!
4... The symbolic number for the entire earth. Ex: Compass has 4 points North/South/E/W. Scripture speaks of 4 winds of the earth.
If the symbolic number for earth is 4, then 4 sets of 2 may mean, God's will regarding ALL EARTHLY marriage is one man/one wife NOT 600.
---Legends on 3/11/11


pt4
Pre-Flood Gen6:11, The earth was corrupt before God/filled with violence.
COMPARE TO Gen4. First rich Gangsta Rapper named Lamech.
Gen4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives.
v23 Lamech said to his two wives, "A young man wounded me, and I killed him."
v24 "Anyone who tries to get even with me will be punished ten times more than anyone who tries to get even with Cain."
It was this INCREDIBLE HULKISH mindset that filled the earth and frankly is still in the earth today.
NO SELF-CONTROL OVER PASSIONS!
That's why in Gen6 you read about EVEN the sons of God taking all the wives they chose and the earth filled with violence. Polygamy and Murder equal HEDONISM... which is damnable corruption.
---Legends on 3/11/11


Legends:

Proverbs 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Does not implicitly forbid girls or multiple children.

Many passages say how one should treat one's wife, yet none say you should NOT have more than one. Only kings and bishops were told not to have multiple wives. Prophets were constantly condemning kings for sins - yet NONE condemned them for multiple wives (except Solomon - and that was because of idolatry). Surely if God had objected, he would have mentioned it at least once?

BTW, Genesis 6:2 mentions sons of God and daughters of men - no implication (nor denial) of polygamy here.
---StrongAxe on 3/11/11


God is real and shows examples of free will that was present in Adam and eve and will be there when the last man leaves this world...

There is no acceptance of multiple wives as the brother rightly quoted one man one woman, Solomon was a king The Book of Revelation tells you of their fornication and of their fate.

So don't run with the idea of more than one wife it shows your mind set. it was not so in the beginning nor will it be in the end... and if you take the bible in its right context one should know that God is not promoting more than one wife, his will, will be done, so you have your Samson's , David's and King Solomon's, real lives but weak when it came to women.
---Carla on 3/11/11


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PT1
(the Bible nowhere condemns it)
---StrongAxe on 3/10/11
1 Corinthians 7:2
"But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife(not WIVES), and each woman with her own husband"

Ephesians 5:28 "In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He(SINGULAR) who loves his wife(SINGULAR) loves himself"

1 Corinthians 7:4
"The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife."
Stongaxe: If I may add this in contextual association with the others... Ephesians 4:4
"There is ONE body"
---Legends on 3/11/11


pt2
Mark 10:5-7 "Jesus answered... from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
For this cause shall a man leave his father/mother, and cleave to his wife(not WIVES)

Genesis6 speaks of a GREAT condemnation:
v3 The LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man
v5: God saw that the wickedness of man was great...every imagination of the thoughts/was evil.
v6: it repented the LORD that He had made man/it grieved Him
v7: the LORD said, I will destroy man

Part of the WHY of God's wrath is mentioned in the closest preceding verse.
VERSE2: the sons of God(human men/not angels in my view) saw the daughters of men/and they took them WIVES of all which they chose.
---Legends on 3/11/11


If God wanted to lead us by example, and demanded that we be strictly mongamous, it was strange that 1) he never told us to do so 2) he never condemned those who weren't, and 3) none of the role models he gave us were, either.

(Note that I am not preaching polygamy here - I just keep pointing out that the Bible nowhere condemns it.)
---StrongAxe on 3/10/1

And Then God...well read it for yourself:
2 Samuel 12:8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah, and if [that had been] too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
---francis on 3/11/11


I know this sounds a bit chauvinistic but Ive noticed that in the Bible many men had multiple wives, but I have yet to see a woman that had multiple husbands.

Does anyone believe that God intended for marriage to be that way? Some denominations apparently do.
---CraigA on 3/6/11

I don't know, just speculating here.
Adam was made in GOD's image. Adam was first.
GOD's wife consisted of 13 nation names....multimillions of people. (Still)
Perhaps the answer lies in example. Adam...Moses...David...Solomon...as leaders of these 13 nation peoples, had extension permission in example??

I don't want two or more myself either.
Why complicate by multiplication. Those guys could afford em. Probably did need em.
---Trav on 3/11/11


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Legends:

While it's true that most of the patriarchs had failed marriages, it's also curious that virtually ALL of them were polygamous. Yet not ONE of them was condemned on that account. Except maybe Solomon - and he was not condemned because he had many wives per se, but rather because those wives turned him to other gods.

If God wanted to lead us by example, and demanded that we be strictly mongamous, it was strange that 1) he never told us to do so 2) he never condemned those who weren't, and 3) none of the role models he gave us were, either.

(Note that I am not preaching polygamy here - I just keep pointing out that the Bible nowhere condemns it.)
---StrongAxe on 3/10/11


Gotta side with Scott on this one. No successful multi-mate marriages in scripture.
PLUS... Let's also not forget that Jesus and His Apostles "blogged"(if you will allow) about this subject. Some may think Jesus spoke exclusively from a New Testament perspective. The New Testament was established in Jesus' shed blood. What He said about marriage was spoken under the Old Testament, BEFORE His blood was shed. Doesn't matter anyway because God's Word and will do not change. His WILL has never changed about anything... even after the New Covenant was ratified in His Son's blood!
I choose to believe Jesus' blog about God's original plan for marriage more than I believe those who oppose His views and give religious reasons to oppose.
---Legends on 3/10/11


Why did Solomon have 600 wives?

BECAUSE:
1: He had the money to support them
2: he had the military might to protect them.
---francis on 3/8/11


How could Soloman have so many wives and not considered to be an adulterer?
---tonne on 3/6/11

because it is not a sin to have more than one wife, and You cannot commit with your own wife.

See The story of David and Bathsheba.
God took the child conceived in adultery, but Solomon, the son born AFTER the amrriage of David and bathsheba was choosen by God
---francis on 3/8/11


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Scott:

If God had intended for marriage to always be one woman for one man, he could very easily have stipulated this in Leviticus, or any number of other places he laid down laws for Israel. He certainly laid down a lot of other laws that people might have found inconvenient, yet their inconvenience did not seem to bother him in the slightest. There were also prohibitions against many things that we today may think of as trivial and silly (for example, blending of fabrics). Yet there is a total lack of ANY kind of prohibition against polygyny. Why would that be, I wonder? Unless God did not himself think it was the horrible thing that so many people think he ought to?
---StrongAxe on 3/8/11


Oddly enough, polygyny (plural wives) was not for the delight of the man, but for the protection and support of women in a society that didn't have welfare, WIC, or the like.

Men were required to treat their wives equally: emotionally, materially, and sexually.
---Cluny on 3/7/11


CraigA-God did not intend marriage to be one man and many wives. In every OT man with many wives there is jealous between wives, man loves one more than other, extra wives allow man to not follow God, Ex Abraham - Sarah and Hagar, Solomon - built temples to foreign gods of wives, Jacob - Leaha and Rachael, David - Bathesba. Bible does not mention any successful multiple wives marriages.
---Scott on 3/7/11


I know this sounds a bit chauvinistic but Ive noticed that in the Bible many men had multiple wives, but I have yet to see a woman that had multiple husbands.

Im not saying I think having multiple wives is ok. Lord knows no man today can afford more than one wife anyway :P

Does anyone believe that God intended for marriage to be that way? Some denominations apparently do.
---CraigA on 3/6/11


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who said that it wasn't to God? the madonna effect (the need to put halos on everyone in the bible)is alive and well in mixed theology churches and hearts.

we want to see solomon as very wise, but as wise as he was, he was even more foolish. this makes him a great politician and not a great man of God.

tonne, looking at your other responses/questions, are you really searching for Truth?
---aka on 3/6/11


How could Soloman have so many wives and not considered to be an adulterer?
---tonne on 3/6/11


Cluny, I like your answer.
---Reba on 3/5/11


as jesus said, "from the beginning, it was not so"

the wisdom that was granted by the Lord in his early life became extreme foolishness to God and great wisdom of the world.

Solomon became a great politician and turned from being a great man of God.

1Ki 10:14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold,
---aka on 3/5/11


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Vanity!!! (Ecc. 1:2...)
---Leon on 3/5/11


as jesus said, "from the beginning, it was not so"

the wisdom that was granted by the Lord in his early life became extreme foolishness to God and great wisdom of the world.

Solomon became a great politician and turned from being a great man of God.

as jesus said, "from the beginning, it was not so"

the wisdom that was granted by the Lord in his early life became extreme foolishness to God and great wisdom of the world.

Solomon became a great politician and turned from being a great man of God.

1Ki 10:14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold, ...1Ki 10:15
---aka on 3/5/11


Because he should, it was sanctioned Jewish religious law, And showed his personal power and the wealth and might of Israel to other competing nations states within Israel's prorimity.
---Blogger9211 on 3/4/11


Partly because that was his weakness.

And partly because that's how international politics was played in this culture and time.

Kings, princes, and various potentates would wed each other's daughters or sisters to seal treaties.

Don't forget also that marriage was seldom about love in ancient times, but about property and familial alliances. Marriages in Biblical times were arranged. Thus the thrice-repeated Apostolic command "Husbands, love your wives," which sounds so obvious to us today, was so revolutionary to the immediate audience.
---Cluny on 3/4/11


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Why? Because even God's beloved is sinful making God's declaration "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10 - true.

In the sinful life of Solomon, God gets to demonstrate that salvation is by election as declared by Paul in Romans 9:11 - "For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth."

That is, salvation has nothing to do with man's work (afterall, his work is tainted with sin and evil the day he's born, on the account of Adam's sin) but God's work of grace.
---christan on 3/4/11


Guess he loved woman, he was an idiot, strangely was the wisest man on earth. He was a king, so he can have as many wives as he like, I might done the same thing, but we should only have one, which as a result led him astrayed.
---Richard on 3/4/11


So he could open the harem door and ask "Hey, anyone here doesn't have a head ache?"
---1st_cliff on 3/4/11


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