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Lazarus A Friend Of Jesus

Is it possible the Lazarus referred to in Luke 16:19-25 was Jesus' friend and the brother of Mary and Martha?

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The great gulf between Lazarus and the begger was fixed because, earlier, Lazarus would'nt cross over the great gulf in his mind that kept him from giving comfort/HELP to the helpless. HELP/comfort was part of the Abrahamic covenant. That's why Lazarus cried to father Abraham who was comforting the begger in his "bosom"(a place of high honor to sit. See John/Jesus at the Last Supper. John stuck close!)
The question should be: Are you and I who carry the HELPING NAME "Christians" just like this particular Lazarus? Or do we live up to our NAMESAKE and bridge whatever gap comes between us and the opportunity to be of HELP by rendering comfort?
Similarly, Job's friends stopped short of rendering him the HELP of comfort.
---Legends on 4/29/11


Name Lazarus from Hebrew: ('El`azar) GOD(is)HELPER, ex. "Eleazar"
The rich man Lazarus was identified in name by the HELPING aspect of God. Sadly, Lazarus did not live up to his NAME.
Jesus' use of the name and point is: The begger outside Lazarus' gate needed HELP before he died but got NO HELP from a person who was able to render it. Lazarus didn't cross the line to help the needy.
You reap what you sow! Therefore when Lazarus needed HELP in the form of water to cool his tongue, HELP was unavailable. The warning Lazarus asked for in behalf of his brothers wasn't going to HELP THEM even if a man rose from the dead. That HELP would only come to them if they believed the instructions to HELP OTHERS found in the Law/prophets.
---Legends on 4/26/11


No problem Trey! :) I readily forgive as I'm forgiven. May the Lord richly bless you as well.
---Leon on 3/24/11


Leon, After reading your last post it grieved my heart and I feel convicted concerning the attitude that I had taken with you. I would like to ask you as my brother in Christ to please forgive me.

I still do not "believe" it is the same Lazarus. But I ask that you not be offended that I don't see this the same as you do. I do not know any two preachers that agree on every verse of scripture.

May the Lord richly bless you.
---trey on 3/23/11


Trey: My position throughout this entire blog has been "Is it possible" based upon the information provided in the Bible. Personally, I think it is possible, but I haven't said conclusively they in fact were the same person because, like you & others, I don't know!

You & a few other bloggers have treated the question as if it were blaspheme. So, at this point I'm unable to satisfactorily answer your "why" question since I can't tell you what you don't want to hear.

Peace! :)
---Leon on 3/23/11




Leon, I am glad that you are rejoicing! I know that our God is Omnicient.
Let me ask you something: How many Johns, Bobs, Marks, Marys, Toms, do you know? Do you believe that there has only been one person named Lazarus? My name is Trey. That's some what unusual, but I've known several people named Trey. My belief is that it is unlikely that this is the same Lazarus as Mary and Martha's brother. You cannot prove it is the same Lazarus as much as I cannot prove that it is not the same. So why are we even speculating???
---trey on 3/22/11


"If this is the same Lazarus, Christ is for[e]telling of future events." Aaaaa yeeeaah!!! :)

Trey: Reference comments below, i.e., Cluny, 3/16 ~ me, 3/17 ~ Cluny, 3/17 ~ me (again) 3/17. When you get a grasp of the fact that Jesus knew past & future events of people's lives, you may then begin to understand what's this blog is about.
---Leon on 3/22/11


Donna66, the question whether it is the same Lazarus really has no spiritual purpose. The parable was the only parable where Jesus used a name. That is the reason many speculate that it was no imaginary tale, but an actual incident that really took place. Either way Christ employs it in the same fashion as all His parables, to teach a lesson. In this case for the benefit of the Pharisees.
---Mark_V. on 3/22/11


Leon, you bring up a good point. In looking at the parables spoken by Christ he never uses persons' names. If this is a parable, it is unique.
A parable is where the teacher "lays beside" or cast along side a simple comparison or likeness to a complex truth in order to explain the complex fact.
Another evidence that I don't believe that this is the same person is the fact that the Lazarus he raised is the brother of Martha and Mary and at the time of the parable he has not yet died. If this is the same Lazarus, Christ is fortelling of future events.
---trey on 3/21/11


Trey: I understand you don't believe the two aren't the same person. Fine! My original question simply asks Is it possible they were the same person. I think it's possible even though, conclusively, I don't know.

Are you saying Jesus operated by rules in that if He didn't use specific names it was a parable, but when he used a name we can automatically assume it a true story? A parable is a story thats an actual true occurance or is a truism applicable to everyday real life experiences.
---Leon on 3/20/11




Does this question have some spiritual significance that I've missed? There could be two men named Lazarus... or only one. Does it matter?
---Donna66 on 3/20/11


I do not believe the two named Lazarus are one in the same, about the only thing they have in common is their name.
I would also like to point out that I do not believe this is a parable. When Christ spoke in parables he never used specific names. This leads me to believe that this is a true event.
---trey on 3/18/11


Ecc 9:4-6 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished, neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
---jerry6593 on 3/18/11


Leon, I do recall what Jesus said, you know why? Because it is in Scripture. That is the point Leon. That is why it is true. Speculation is speculating something not found in Scripture that comes to our minds. That was what I meant, and no more. We are not told this beggar was a friend of Jesus during His ministry, but we can speculate he was loved by God because he went to heaven. We are told he was a beggar, with sores, and only received evil things in life, yet he made it to heaven and the rich man did not. Jesus parable was to the pharisees who were incline to see all such things as proof of divine disfavor. They viewed such a person as not only unclean, but also despised by God, but Jesus corrected them.
---Mark_V. on 3/18/11


Do not forget. JESUS also told Peter how he would die.

He said many false Christs would come claiming to be him. That many false prophets would come. Both of which have happened.
---Samuel on 3/17/11


--Can you actually show a place where Jesus foretold the future of an individual?
--Cluny

Yep

Peters denial of Christ
---CraigA on 3/17/11


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Clooney: Do you "recall to mind" (remember) when Jesus told Peter he would DENY him three times? Mk. 14:72

"Foretell". Hmmm! Yes, I made a careless mistake. Surely you can relate? Thanks for the correction. :)

I should've said, "call attention to past events in the lives of people". For example, the woman at the well regarding her five prior husbands. Jn. 4:16-19

Mark_V: Both Lazarus loved the Lord. The one in Lk. 16 didn't wind up in Abraham's bosom because he didn't! Peace... :)
---Leon on 3/17/11


\\Do you DENY Jesus could foretell past & future events in the lives of people?\\

Can you actually show a place where Jesus foretold the future of an individual?

BTW--by the very meaning of the words involved you can't "foretell past." See how fuzzily you are thinking?
---Cluny on 3/17/11


Leon, when I said your heart was hardened, it was to what this topic is about. Cluny is right again, you are speculating, it could be that, it could be that, maybe yes and maybe no. That is speculation. We could speculate about all sorts of things, but they are only speculations not Truth. What is written is that one was a beggar with sores who died, and the other was not a beggar, he was loved by the Lord. I like you have an open mind, that is good because you are not set in your ways on everything as others do even when they are wrong, but speculation leads to error so many times. We don't have to agree, because the topic is not an Essentials of the Christian faith. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 3/17/11


I do not believe the parable is exactly about the Lazrus who was the friend of JESUS. For the story has two points. One was that like today many relgious leaders taught the rich were blessed by GOD and the poor cursed. This story teaches that theology is wrong.

The Second point is that the Old Testament as we call it points to JESUS. That those who do not believe what the Bible says will not believe a person resurrected from the dead. Which was proven by the resurrection of Lazarus. So the story had a prophetic and second theological point.

Many want the story to be about hell. But that is not the true purpose of the story.
---Samuel on 3/17/11


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Cluny: Was Jesus telling the parable to Lazarus? Was Jesus in Bethany when he told the parable? Is it possible his friend Lazarus & sisters (Martha & Mary) never heard the parable? Do you DENY Jesus could foretell past & future events in the lives of people?
---Leon on 3/17/11


\\But, you & a few others zealously want to believe it isn't possible. Why do not want to believe that? :)\\

It is impossible, because it goes against the Biblical data.
---Cluny on 3/17/11


\\"I answered it from the Bible." Did you really Cluny? All the comments you made here are your personally held opinions of what the Bible says ~ not to be confused with what the Bible actually sa\\

What did I say that is not in the Bible?

Are you DENYING that the Bible says that Lazarus of Bethany had a home (was not a beggar), was alive when Jesus told his Parable (and not already dead), and was raised from the dead by Jesus about a week before the Passion (unlike the story) only to die later?

Are you DENYING that the Bible says any of these things?

Or do you think Lazarus is still alive?
---Cluny on 3/16/11


"I answered it from the Bible." Did you really Cluny? All the comments you made here are your personally held opinions of what the Bible says ~ not to be confused with what the Bible actually says.

My question: "Is it possible..." doesn't mean I want to believe it is. I simply find the prospect amusing. But, you & a few others zealously want to believe it isn't possible. Why do not want to believe that? :)
---Leon on 3/16/11


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\\No Cluny, there isn't any reason for you to believe they're the same since you've set your mind in concrete & firmly believe they aren't. :)\\

No, Leon, there isn't any reason for you to believe thy are not the same since you've set your mind in concrete & firmly believe they are.

You were the one who asked the question.

I answered it from the Bible.

You simply didn't like the answer you got.

Why do you want to believe they are the same?
---Cluny on 3/16/11


Mark_V: I've hardened my heart because I believe it's "possible" these two Lazarus are one and the same?!!! :] Weeeell, not true! I believe Jesus, knowing the future, "may've" used his dear friend Lazarus to "teach" a greater lesson. That's all I'm saying!

My belief in the possibility versus your ( & others) staunch disbelief only shows our distinctly different points of view. What any of us have said on the subject hasn't, thus far, been proven one way or the other. So, let's just say I believe what I believe ~ you & others believe what you believe & let's have no hardhearted feeling either way towards one another.

You're still stuck on Job Micha? :)
---Leon on 3/16/11


Leon, to me it is clear and have no reason to believe it was the same Lazarus, not one reason.
Cluny gave the reasons why very clearly. Second, Jesus was teaching a lesson, not on whether it was the same Lazarus or not. It was about two different individuals who died. The rich man and the beggar full of sores desiring to be fed. The other Lazarus was a friend of Jesus whom He loved. That Lazarus story has another meaning.
I believe when a person wants to believe it is the same person, no matter what information is given, they have hardened their hearts. This are two different Lazarus at two different times.
---Mark_V. on 3/16/11


No Cluny, there isn't any reason for you to believe they're the same since you've set your mind in concrete & firmly believe they aren't. :)

What say you Micha?
---Leon on 3/15/11


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"...not the same Lazarus in John 11."

What makes you so sure he's not Mark V?
---Leon on 3/15/11


\\Apology accepted Micha! :)
May I ask why you don't believe the Lazarus' aren't one & the same?
---Leon on 3/15/11\\

I've already pointed out why they were not.

The Lazarus of Jesus's story was a poor homeless beggar. Lazarus of Bethany lived in a house with his sisters.

The Lazarus of Jesus's story died. Lazarus of Bethany was still alive when Jesus told this story.

The Lazarus of the story died and stayed dead. Lazarus of Bethany died, was called back from the dead, and then re-died.

Is there any reason to believe they are the same?
---Cluny on 3/15/11


I have considered this before, but I guess it would be the beggar argument that leads me to my decision.
Plus, I do also consider that there must be others named Lazarus and that this account does not have a point in history set to it, so this Lazarus could be from any point in history before the resurrection of Christ.
I take it as I have taken Job, just because there is one of the same name doesn't mean they are the same.
I don't think the Bible has enough information to give a definitive answer for this post.
Your blogs do have me question my original thoughts on the matter though and urges me to search deeper into scripture.
Mixing possibility with fact only establishes a belief by which we must take through faith.
---micha9344 on 3/15/11


Apology accepted Micha! :)
May I ask why you don't believe the Lazarus' aren't one & the same?
---Leon on 3/15/11


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Micha, you are so right, it is so easy to change the subject when someone comes on the blog and ask other questions, then it turns to other subjects, because of answers some others give.

Concerning this Lazarus, in Luke 16:19-25, is not the same Lazarus in John 11. This beggar was the only character in any of Jesus parables ever given a name. Some speculate that this was no imaginary tale, but an actual incident that really took place. Either way Christ employ's it in the same fashion as all His parables, to teach a lesson, in these case for the benefit of the Pharisees.
---Mark_V. on 3/15/11


This blog started to drift off target on 3/6.
Since then Luke 16 or Lazarus has only been mentioned 6 times...4 by Leon
I did only see Leon trying even somewhat to get back on target including my posts which were just about current posts and not about the blog.
Leon did have some posts which did not involve the blog, but those were mixed in the ones where he posted about the blog.
I must admit to being critical of Leon's last post and trying to find fault, but only found attempts at guidance, and for this I must ask forgiveness of Leon.
If one would review the posts, he or she would find the one who seemed to misdirect the conversation the most.-Romans 16:17
As for the blog, I do not believe the Lazarus' to be the same.
---micha9344 on 3/14/11


Attention all Pride Piper bloggers! This blog is about Lazarus (Jesus' friend) & whether or not he's the same as the one in Abraham's bosom.

Those of you who have squatted on this blog with your petty (fruitless) bickering are invited to take your fight elsewhere. Thank you!!!
---Leon on 3/14/11


1Cliff, don't you read what you write? Here is what you had said and the reason I answered here,

"Paul, like the Pied Piper, led them off in one direction,while Jesus said Mat.24.4 Watch out that no one misleads you for many will come in my name saying "I am the Christ (anointed) and WILL deceive many" (with the immortal soul lie) nowhere in scripture does it say that!"

After speaking against Paul you gave Matt. 24:4 to prove your point that Paul was deceiving people, by saying he was the Christ. You were trying to proof that your interpretation was right and others wrong. Get it?
---Mark_V. on 3/14/11


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Mark V, Like so many here you miss the point altogether!
"Christ" does not mean Jesus it means "anointed" as in dedicated to God's service! "many will come in my name saying I am the Christ" --"The Anointed",(appointed) not saying "I am Jesus"!
It's bible "study" not bible reading!
---1st_cliff on 3/13/11


1Cliff, you are correct that it all comes down to interpretation. Your statement is prove of that when you spoke against Paul and gave a passage where Jesus said in Matthew 24:4:
"Watch out that no one misleads you for many will come in my name saying "I am the Christ (anointed) and WILL deceive many"
When did Paul ever say that he was the Christ? Nowhere in Scripture did Paul proclaim to be Jesus Christ to deceive others. That is a good example of miss applying a passage so that you can show the guilt of Paul. Then you say, "I'm not saying "I'm right and you're wrong,"
But you are suggesting it by giving the passage, that you are right concerning Paul actions, and everyone else is wrong.
---Mark_V. on 3/13/11


Of course, 1stcliff is right, but that would make Peter, Ananias, Mark, Barnabas, and all the other apostles and elders decieved based on many interlocking scriptures.
Nay, there is no rejection of Paul in the scriptures, only acceptance as a fellow apostle.
Maybe some should start ripping pages out of the Bible they don't agree with and see what's left over.
---micha9344 on 3/13/11


That's right Cliff, "interpretation"! It's not yours, mine (or anyone elses), but by the leading, teaching, "interpretative revelation" of God the Holy Spirit (the Comforter). (Jn. 14:15-17 & 26 ~ 15:26 ~ 16:7-11)

You focus on the activities/works of men alone. Subsequently, you're always leaving God out of the equation as if He has left the Bible to you to figure out on your own. As you've correctly indicated, you're not alone in this error...This is why Scripture doesn't properly add up for you & many others, & that's what it boils down to friend! :)

God leads ~ His sheep hear His voice & follow "Him", not some personal whim (vain imaginings)!
---Leon on 3/13/11


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Leon, What it boils down to is "interpretation!"
The reason there are so many different denominations is "interpretation"
Some interpret OSAS others not,both claim led by the same HS.Salvation Army doesn't baptize, some sprinkle, others immerse. My belief in "born again' differs from yours. (but of course yours is the right one, huh?)
I'm not saying "I'm right and you're wrong,"
God will judge both of us! I'm quite confident that Jesus paid the price for my salvation and yours!
---1st_cliff on 3/12/11


Cliff: With all due respect, if you had repented you'd now believe the Word of God (Jesus). (Jn. 1:1-34) But, it's quite apparent you don't believe.

When you say you were baptized, I can only assume you're talking about water baptism, not the baptism of the Holy Spirit. (Matt. 3:11-12, Mk. 1:8) Let's shed some light on the subject. Water baptism alone doesn't save one's soul Cliff. (Jn. 1:1-34) You must first repent of your sin & be born again! (Jn. 3)
---Leon on 3/12/11


Cluny, Re, transfiguration Unless Jesus was a ventriloquist, the voice came from the direction of heaven..Jesus was on the mountain...God "incarnate?"
The whole episode was a "vision" (vs.9)
Paul, like the Pied Piper, led them off in one direction,while Jesus said Mat.24.4 Watch out that no one misleads you for many will come in my name saying "I am the Christ (anointed) and WILL deceive many" (with the immortal soul lie) nowhere in scripture does it say that!
---1st_cliff on 3/11/11


Leon, With all due respect I repented and was baptized back in 1958.
Back in the day, the Israelites wanted a King they could see, not an invisible one!They got Saul!
Jesus said I'm sending you a "comforter" (invisible) They got Paul, a visible leader.He writes 1/2 the NT so is a "shoe-in" they all embraced him including Peter.
Does that make him a "Bona fide" apostle??
---1st_cliff on 3/11/11


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Cliff: Scripture cited by Micha & James L. (2 Pt. 3:15-16) requires your prompt attention, a very careful read, soul searching meditation & immediate action. I pray you'll start following God's "script" & stop trying to edit & fit it into your world view. Repent!

Please re-read, meditate upon & consider the truth Abraham spoke to the rich man about OT prophetic Scripture (Lk. 16:29-31). Therein is foundational truth applicable to NT Scripture as well regarding the writings of the apostles (including PAUL) & other disciples called (chosen by) the Lord Jesus Christ, i.e., LUKE, Jude & James.

"...without faith it is impossible to please God." Heb. 11:16
---Leon on 3/11/11


\\As I was re-reading the posts, I was reminded of some writings in the OT, but first, what reminded me:
'The last time God spoke out loud to people was at Jesus' baptism! His voice is frightningly loud,like thunder!'-1st_cliff on 3/10/11 \\

That's not true, if by "God", you mean the Father.

Don't forget the Transfiguration.

But since Jesus is God Incarnate, He spoke lots of times in the NT.
---Cluny on 3/10/11


As I was re-reading the posts, I was reminded of some writings in the OT, but first, what reminded me:
'The last time God spoke out loud to people was at Jesus' baptism! His voice is frightningly loud,like thunder!'-1st_cliff on 3/10/11
1Ki 19:11b-13 ...and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD, [but] the LORD [was] not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake, [but] the LORD [was] not in the earthquake: And after the earthquake a fire, [but] the LORD [was] not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice. And it was [so], when Elijah heard [it], that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, [there came] a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?
---micha9344 on 3/10/11


Cliff,
2Peter 3:15-16
just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Why would Peter refer to Paul's letters and The Rest Of Scripture? Why didn't Peter call out Paul as a fraud if he couldn't be trusted? Instead, he says some distort Paul's words to their own destruction.

Luke wrote about Peter, also. Do you know of a letter from Peter saying don't trust Luke?
---James_L on 3/10/11


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Did you miss the Mount of Tranfiguration 1stcliff?
Luk 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Of course, I did use Luke who also wrote Acts from eyewitness accounts.
And what about Ananias?
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Peter calls Paul beloved borther and equates his writing with other scripture (2Pet 3:15-16)
It's a conspiracy, I tell ya, those men with Saul, Saul, Luke, Ananias, Peter...all conspirators I tell ya..
But Peter does say that the unstable wrestle with Paul's epistles.
So 1stcliff is an example of the truth of the NT!
---micha9344 on 3/10/11


Leon, Since you seem to be saying you know and I don't perhaps you could enlighten me.... your basis for believing every word in the NT is "God breathed".(not counting Christ's direct words to eye witnesses,that's a given)
Why you believe that Paul is God's "delegated authority?" (No one saw Jesus or heard the conversation) Jesus does not "hide"!
The last time God spoke out loud to people was at Jesus' baptism! His voice is frightningly loud,like thunder!
---1st_cliff on 3/10/11


The reason the Bible doesn't add up (make sense) for you Cliff is because you have a propensity to leave God's active role in it ( & in your life) out. You have the audacity to think you can teach the teacher, i.e., the Holy Spirit.

No, there really isn't any point for you to study the Bible IF you're not willing to be teachable & are bent on second guessing, & casting scathing dispersion against God's delegated-authorities. 2 Tim 3:1-7

Repent bud!
---Leon on 3/10/11


Leon,So, is there really any point to "bible study"?
Just read the words and say uhuh,yep guess it must be so since it's written down and bound with leather covers and guild edges!
Blind people have 20/20 vision as soon as they die,and the deaf hear immediately at death...hmmm that's interesting.(despite the fact the scripture says " the dead know nothing") The problem must be me?
Study is only for self important egotists?
---1st_cliff on 3/10/11


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"...when I find a serious flaw?!"

Do you hear yourself Cliff? Such oozing, self important vanity! Who made you God's flaw finder? :) Obviously, you've never considered perhaps its you thats flawed. That's why you (like the rich man in the parable ~ Lk. 16) are spiritually blind & could be headed for a disasterous date with destiny unless you repent. I sincerely hope you do come to a change of heart real soon!
---Leon on 3/10/11


Leon, I really don't have a "hit list" but am I supposed to look the other way when I find a serious "flaw?! (turn a blind eye , they call that)
For example every denomination in Christendom have some form of "communion" citing both Paul and Luke stating that Jesus said "keep doing this in remembrance of me" while neither one was at the last supper and those that were never wrote this "commandment" Where did it come from??? (makes me suspicious)
---1st_cliff on 3/9/11


Cliff: The gist of your argument is you believe the Book of Luke isn't accurate because you think Luke probably wasn't the author & even if he was, as a non-Jew nor an apostle, you believe his writings aren't credible. Well, that's quite a straw man you've built, but its certainly not your first. :)

Let's see, you have serious misgivings regarding the "Apostle" Paul. You seem to believe the Apostle John may've been a mentally deficient old man when he wrote Revelation. Who's next on your Bible hit list?

Just because other Bible writers didn't comment on the parable (Lk. 16) far from means it isn't true. I think you're really hoping it isn't true, but you're facing really bad odds. :)
---Leon on 3/9/11


1stCliff-- 20 years past the event is very recent. I'm pushing 70, and I can recount in detail some events of 50 yrs ago, if they had great impact on my life. Wouldn't the words and acts of Jesus have great impact, even second hand?

Aka -- yes, history books today ARE propaganda. They used to be written objectively...deliberately so...without judging the behavior of historical figures. Facts were considered the important thing, not personal opinions. The whole philosophy of teaching history has changed. (I miss those days of educational objectivity)

For instance, the VERY idea of ASKING children IF Columbus "deserves" a holiday
( as occurs in some classrooms) would have been presumptuous and quite beside the point.
---Donna66 on 3/8/11


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michael e, The gospel of Luke was written 55-56 CE like 20 yrs. after Jesus' ascension,... from memory??? who knows??!
---1st_cliff on 3/8/11


//..."Historically true " is accurate//

i will bet you history books of today read differently than those of yesteryear.

Depends on the author and the agenda. Most history is "propagandish" as it depends on point-of-view and audience.

How do think an Egyptian Muslim reporter would write the history of the reporter who was attacked? We know that our historians have already tried to whitewash her story.
---aka on 3/8/11


do you think luke or any other writer, wrote from memory?
---michael_e on 3/8/11


Leon, Thanks for your input, my problem is that this particular story is a "heavy" to most of Christendom. They all seize upon this to prove life after death, yet no other bible writer either heard of the "parable" from Jesus or Luke got it from another source, since he was neither Jewish nor an apostle!
The book of Luke does not state the author!It is arrived at by deduction!

Cluny ,Define "spiritualy true" please!
---1st_cliff on 3/8/11


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Cliff: A lot of Luke's writings may've been gotten from the narrative preaching of the apostolic missionaries of his day. From such encounters, he likely heard & selected Jesus' story parables, & put greater emphasis on individual characters. These unique character features must've been gotten from eyewitnesses (e.g., Mary, the mother of Jesus, etc.) because (as you know) Luke wasn't personally at the events he described. In fact, he said that's what he did. (Lk. 1:2)

Luke traveled in Palestine during Paul's imprisonment at Caesarea. He could've easily interviewed countless eyewitnesses who saw & heard Jesus, & would've remembered Jesus' preaching & teachings.

Hope this helps your understanding.
---Leon on 3/8/11


\\Leon,/Cluny, While we're on the subject of Lk.16, where do you "suppose" Luke got this information since there's no evidence of him ever meeting Jesus and no other bible writer tells this "story"! \\

Luke 1 and Acts 1 answer your questions.

And tradition says that he was one of the two people who met the risen Jesus on the road to Emmaus.

\\"Spiritually true" is subject to conjecture, supposition imagination etc..\\

Are you saying that Jesus's words are not spiritually true?
---Cluny on 3/7/11


Leon,/Cluny, While we're on the subject of Lk.16, where do you "suppose" Luke got this information since there's no evidence of him ever meeting Jesus and no other bible writer tells this "story"!
"Spiritually true" is subject to conjecture, supposition imagination etc..
"Historically true " is accurate!
---1st_cliff on 3/7/11


Ms. Donna: Like I said to Cliff, suppose Jesus was describing future events in the life of his dear friend Lazarus? As we all know, in the course of time, our lives can change radically for better or worst based upon various life changing circumstances that can happen.
---Leon on 3/6/11


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Leon, I got to hand it to you , you have a vivid immagination and should be a good fiction writer!
---1st_cliff on 3/6/11


Lazarus the beggar could hardly have been the same Lazarus who was loved and cared for by his sisters, Martha and Mary.
---Donna66 on 3/5/11


\\Leon, The Lazarus of the "parable" Lk.16 was (at best) a fictitious character, while the other (resurrected one) was Martha's brother!\\

Just because it's a parable does not make it fictitious.

Parables are spiritually true, even if not historically (as we consider history today) true.
---Cluny on 3/5/11


Considering the name Lazarus means "God is my help", Jesus probably used the name to signify one who depends on God, to contrast against the rich man who was "joyously living in splendor" (verse 19) and apparently felt he had no need for God.
---James_L on 3/6/11


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"Trick question?...Were there two [Lazarus] in the bible?" ?!:)
I promise, no tricks Donna5535.

"...(at best) fictitious...Jesus' friend begging for scraps of bread??? not likely!" ???!
Fictitious to the best of your knowledge Cliff? Is it "likely" or possible Jesus' parable was a future look at his friend Lazarus' life long after His crucifixion?: Is it possible Lazarus fell on hard times, e.g., was persecuted for being a Believer in Jesus, lost his home, etc., & maybe his sisters had died?

I know Cliff, sounds like fiction to you. :) One interesting similarity between Jesus' friend Lazarus & the parabled one is they both were redeemed of the Lord.
---Leon on 3/5/11


"Is it possible the Lazarus referred to in Luke 16:19-25 was Jesus' friend and the brother of Mary and Martha?" No.
Lazarus, brother of Mary and Martha was not a beggar, the Lazarus in the parable was.
---joseph on 3/5/11


NO!!! The brother of Mary and Martha was not a beggar, the story of Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead in an actual story of an actual event which took place. The reason it is not a parable is because of the characters in the story being named. Parables never contain the actual name of the participant.s
---mima on 3/5/11


Not at all possible.

Though Jesus might have named the hero in this story after His friend.

The Lazarus in Jesus's story was poor and sick. If this were the historical Lazarus, why would Jesus have not healed him on one of His several trips to Bethany?

Likewise, the historical Lazarus had his own home. The Lazarus of Jesus's story was apparently homeless.
---Cluny on 3/5/11


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could be. We donot know.
---candice on 3/5/11


Leon, The Lazarus of the "parable" Lk.16 was (at best) a fictitious character, while the other (resurrected one) was Martha's brother!
Jesus' friend begging scraps of bread??? not likely!
---1st_cliff on 3/5/11


Is this a trick question? Are you asking if this is the same Lazareth that Jesus raised from the dead?

Were there two Lazareth's in the bible? The bible tells us that Jesus often ate and stayed with Lazareth, the brother of Mary & Martha.
---Donna5535 on 3/5/11




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