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Mark ... The record shows that I have never said those things of which you accuse me

Whilst I have disagreed with your doctrine I have never called it a lie.

I have never called God's Word a lie. (nor has Kathr)

I have never called you a liar for giving me your interpretation of God's Word

Please learn, for the sake of your own soul, and to calm the anger and hatred that you show to those who disagree with you, that disagreement is not an accusation of lying

But you have continually, and even now lie about me, because you give gross false testimony about what I have said.

You say Jesus spoke to me and I refused to hear ... what are you talking about? I heard Jesus and said "Yes"
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/1/11


Kathr, the Word of God is nonsense to you alright. You have proven that already. Every passage given to you, you change the meaning with your religious talk. You and Alan call the Truth of God a lie. You strip God of His Omnipotence, when you say, "God cannot". Jesus point concerning born again was that just as the wind cannot be controlled or understood by human beings but it's effects can be witnessed, so also it is with the Holy Spirit. He cannot be controlled or understood, but the proof of His work is apparent. Where the Spirit works, there is undeniable and unmistakable evidence, So where is yours?
---Mark_V. on 4/1/11


MarkV .. You really need to understand that disagreeing with someone is not calling them a liar.

You probably like hot weather, 'cos I believe you live in the South of the USA. I prefer cooler weather.

I reckon that if you said "What a nice day it is " and I responded by saying "It's too hot" ... you would say I had called you a liar.

I have disagreed with you about your theological views ... but have NEVER called them lies, or you a liar for beleiving them.

And I have never said of you those dreadful things you say about me.
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/1/11


Alan, do you get the impression MarkV believes himself to be the Word of God?

MarkV YOUR interpreation of a verse is not everyone elses. You are arrogant to believe YOU ALONE have the only true interpretation and have the audacidy of telling people they call God word a lie because they don't agree with you. Who do you think you are?.

I have never called the word of God a lie. You lie MarkV to accuse anyone of calling the Word of God a Lie because God has explained it to them differently than Calvin explained it to you.
---kathr4453 on 4/1/11


Alan, you have the guts to say what I say is offensive when you called me a liar for presenting you God. When you call me a liar, you deliberately called the Word of God I gave you a lie. You could not help yourself in joining Kathr who had already called the Word of God a lie. Jesus spoke to you and you refused to hear, God spoke and you again refused to hear, you did not debate, you called God's word a lie. You turned your back on His Word and stump on it. And make excuses all because you, insist that by your own free will, you did what was right, choose Christ. While others were not so smart as you and didn't. If that is not pride, I don't know pride. Maybe all sinners should go to the U.K. maybe there they can become smart like you.
---Mark_V. on 4/1/11




"Who were born, not of the will of the flesh, "nor of the will of man" but of God"
---Mark_V. on 4/1/11


Markv, have you noticed this verse does not say by GOD's WILL either.

So all this will, will will stuff is just nonsense!

You see, we weren't born again by the WILL of God, but by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ..He is the life giver...God did not WILL your new Birth...if He could no need for Jesus!

---kathr4453 on 4/1/11


Markv, I never said I was born Again by my will either. .My will had nothing to do with being born again. My conscience, where my will and heart reside had no power to born again myself either. To God be ALL the Glory for offering to man so great salvation....all through FAITH....

You confuse WILL with FAITH...

Will means one thing...faith means another.

Moses's will did not part the sea, God did. However Moses had to lift the rod IN FAITH when God parted the sea.

If God didn't want Moses to hold up the staff or rod, He never would have asked him to . But God asked Moses to lift the Rod, and Moses BY FAITH lifted the Rod and GOD PARTED THE SEA!
---kathr4453 on 4/1/11


MarkV You are getting more and more offensive!

"Alan and others believe in you" Are you saying I treat kathr like a god? You will know I disagree with her on various issues, and on the point of predestination I was discussing this with you long before she joined in

Many of you are fighting for your rights, your own wills. " Rubbish ... we are not fighting for rights, we have no need to ... God has already given us freewill.

"Reason is, you want the glory." What impertinence to ascribe base motives for our honestly held belief!.

Our perception of God is greater than yours, for our God is great enough to allow freewill ... yours has to hide behind dictatorship
---alan8566_of_uk on 4/1/11


Kathr, here is one of many reasons you are wrong, you give no credit whatsoever to God. You try again to strip Him of His Omnipotence. To a state lower then man, when you said:

"Now lets be perfectly clear here, The Holy Spirit does not make you alive to or in Christ just like that, against your will, or your faith."

Do you even hear yourself speak? Man's own faith and will is more powerful then God's. As I said before, you always speak for man. Alan and others believe in you, so they also follow you. God's word speaks against you,

"Who were born, not of the will of the flesh, "nor of the will of man" but of God"
---Mark_V. on 4/1/11


Nana: "Steveng,
Thanks for a well put entry, a definite truly (in Caps!)."

Give thanks only to God. What am i but a messenger and I thank God for choosing me to do his will.
---Steveng on 3/31/11




steveng. I don't believe proper grammar has anything to do with it.

The WORD of God sharper than a two edge sword is and THAT alone is what is ALIVE.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/11


God is working all around us, bringing life to many. We bring the gospel, because we don't know to whom God has already made ready to hear the gospel of their salvation. Many of you are fighting for your rights, your own wills. Reason is, you want the glory. But there is no glory for anyone of you. The glory goes to God.
"The God of Scripture can only be known by those to whom He makes Himself known. Nor is God known by the intellect. "God is Spirit" But fallen man is not spiritual, he is carnal. He is dead to all that is spiritual. Unless he is born again, supernaturally brought from death unto life, miraculously translated out of darkness into light, he cannot even see the things of God" John 2:5.
---Mark_V. on 3/31/11


Now lets be perfectly clear here, The Holy Spirit does not make you alive to or in Christ just like that, against your will, or your faith. There is no magic wand the Holy Spirit is waving around, EXCEPT Empowering the Word of God POINTING TO CHRIST...as the Gospel is preached. The Holy Spirit POINTS to Christ Crucified and Risen...and testifies to that fact.

However that in no way is what born Again means.
---kathr4453 on 3/30/11


Steveng,
Thanks for a well put entry, a definite truly (in Caps!).
---Nana on 3/30/11


kathr4453, why argue semantics. Mark V. may not know proper grammar as you do, but he may understand what he is talking about. Prepositions and infinitives are a special propblem with most people. Wasn't there another godly person who had speech problems?
---Steveng on 3/30/11


Craig, in answer to your question, no one knows to whom, when and at what time the Spirit brings life to a dead soul, and makes them alive to Christ.
---Mark_V. on 3/26/11

MarkV keeps using the term Alive To Christ, yet I cannot find any scripture stating alive TO Christ.
We are Alive TO GOD IN CHRIST...or Alive WITH CHRIST, or Alive IN CHRIST.

Being Born Again is becoming Alive from the DEAD...meaning when, You are crucified with Christ you die with Christ and HIS RISEN life makes you ALIVE IN CHRIST...

We are first Justified by His Blood, but SAVED/ Born Again by His RISEN LIFE in us..

Christ IN YOU, and You IN CHRIST....not to Christ.
---kathr4453 on 3/30/11


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You are TRULY saved when you have a genuine love (as in the verb form) for others because when you are helping others you are showing your love to God. When you sincerely feel the hurt others are experiencing and help them - even to give the shirt off your back or give the person your last dollar. When you cry out to God in prayer to help that person that you are unable.

Or ultimately, give your life for another as Jesus did for the world.
---Steveng on 3/28/11


"Mark, Romans 10 explains the order of salvation very clearly.

--Preacher shares the gospel
--Man believes the gospel
--Because the man believes, he calls upon the name of the Lord
--Man is saved"
---CraigA on 3/28/11

Reminds me of the parable of the sower in Luke 8.

Luke 8:15 "But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience."
---Nana on 3/28/11


Mark, Romans 10 explains the order of salvation very clearly.

--Preacher shares the gospel
--Man believes the gospel
--Because the man believes, he calls upon the name of the Lord
--Man is saved

It also makes it very clear that the way a man "hears" the gospel is by a preacher!

No preacher = no men calling upon the name of the Lord

That is not election. That is dispensation.

for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
---CraigA on 3/28/11


Craig, I'm not God so don't know to whom the Spirit will bring life to next. No one knows but God. What we do know is that after He does, a person comes alive to Christ. "who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, "nor of the will of man," but of God" that person has been given a new heart, and will be lead to the gospel of their salvation. When they do hear the Word they will believe by faith, will repent and will be indwell by the Spirit and sealed for all eternity. That through the work of the Spirit, "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water."
---Mark_V. on 3/28/11


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--Craig, in answer to your question, no one knows to whom, when and at what time the Spirit brings life to a dead soul-- MarkV

Mark, if you dont know an answer to a question that doesn't give you the right to claim noone else does either, unless of course you think noone could possibly have knowledge that you don't. I hope your heart is not so proud.

Seeing as how you are apparently NOT sure, how then can you judge other people who have an opinion on the matter?

The Bible clearly tells us WHEN we receive the Spirit. Men at the time of Jesus were still under the old covenant. We are not. We have a guarantee of that "Holy Spirit of promise" upon trusting in Jesus Christ. (Eph 1:13)
---CraigA on 3/26/11


Shira, good morning to you, and blessings from the Lord Jesus Christ on this Sunday. Next, you are so right. You will never convince me that every soul is elect. Because if they were, no one would be going to hell. And since all descendants of Adam are already heading there I have to agree with you. What they need is Christ to save them. Without the Spirit bringing light to them, they will continue their path, for man love darkness rather then the light. So you are right, you will never convince me otherwise. Why should I believe a lie, when God has given us the Truth? I will praise the Lord for having mercy on me a sinner, and thank Him for my life. Peace to you.
---Mark_V. on 3/27/11


Mark continues to be deceived so people...wipe the dust off your feet and keep going. You will never convince him that all people with a soul are the elect. It is so simple to read John 3:15. "Whosoever" means who so ever.
---shira3877 on 3/26/11


Craig, in answer to your question, no one knows to whom, when and at what time the Spirit brings life to a dead soul, and makes them alive to Christ. What we do know is that when it happens, the person begins to seek Christ. Scripture tells us those who are lost, do not seek God. But when the Spirit brings life to you, you will begin to seek God. Jesus explains the same thing when He spoke of rebirth to Nicodemus "Do not marvel that I said to you you must be born again. The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes, So is everyone who is born of the Spirit"
---Mark_V. on 3/26/11


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Craig, Part 2:
Rebirth is the beginning of a believers life. That's why it is called transformation. Once a person is alive to Christ, the Spirit will guide him to the gospel of his salvation. He will hear the gospel and will receive faith to believe, conviction of his rebellion, and he will do what Scripture says, "The word is near your heart, that is the word of faith.. that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." It is not by works of one self, but all the work of the Spirit which leads him to faith. From beginning to end.
---Mark_V. on 3/26/11


Mark, when is man "born of the Spirit"? Before or after hearing the gospel? We just agreed that #4 and #5 are in order. Im having a little difficulty understanding exactly what you believe. Please set me straight.

1. ?

2. Man hears the gospel

3. ?

4. Man places his trust in Jesus Christ.

5. Man receives the Holy Spirit and is sealed
---CraigA on 3/25/11


Samuel, a careful study on John 1:12-13 you will see who are the ones who receive Him and become children of God.
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God to those who believe in His name" This tells us that as many as receive Him God gave them right to become children of God. And who were those people?, "who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God"
Those individuals who were already born of God are the ones who receive Him and become children of God. The passage does not suggest that when they became children of God, they became born again. "Who were" means it had already happened.
---Mark_V. on 3/25/11


I agree when the HOLY SPIRIT enters a person they are Born Again. This is a miracle that requires the HOLY SPIRIT to do.

That person now loves GOD and loves their fellow people. It may take awhile but that love comes out in works of love for others.
---Samuel on 3/25/11


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K Im glad we are in agreement in that.

I think maybe we should take this step by step so theres no confusion as to what each of us believes.

--Only those who are born of the Spirit are spiritually minded. The lost are not. The carnal mind is spiritually dead.---Mark_V. on 3/25/11

At what exact moment do you believe a man becomes "born of the Spirit" (aka "born again")?

I think Ive made it clear that *I* believe its when the Holy Spirit enters the man.

How about you?
---CraigA on 3/25/11


Craig, with the first part we are in agreement. With the second part from Romans 8:2,9, we are not.
"For the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin" Only teaches that in Christ we are free from the condemnation of the law of sin. For we are under grace as believers.
Verse 9, "But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you."
Here is why, "For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace"
Only those who are born of the Spirit are spiritually minded. The lost are not. The carnal mind is spiritually dead.
---Mark_V. on 3/25/11


Man is taught by the Holy Spirit (dwelling WITH him).

Man places his faith in Jesus Christ (with the truth given to him by the Holy Spirit) and then the Spirit comes to live IN him, SEALING him and guaranteeing that God has done what he promised us in Christ(Eph 1:13,14).
Are we in agreement so far?

A man is not "born again"/"born of the Spirit" until he has died with Christ and risen with him. When does that new life begin? The moment the Spirit of the life of Christ enter him. (Romans 8:2,9)

Up until that point the man can harden his heart against what the Spirit is teaching him and the Holy Spirit himself testifies to that fact in Hebrews 3:8.

Irresistable Grace is false.
---CraigA on 3/24/11


Craig, Part 3:
The metaphor "Streams of living water" will come from each one who believes by faith after Pentecost. The passages do not teach that the Holy Spirit was not present with time (an interpretation that would contradict other passages) but rather that the Holy Spirit would not manifest Himself in this special way until Christ had been glorified. The Biblical evidence all through Scripture suggest that the Holy Spirit ministered in similar ways throughout the Old and New Testament, convicting people of sin, leading them to faith, guiding and empowering them, inspiring them to make verbal or written prophecies, giving them spiritual gifts, and regenerating and sanctifying them.
---Mark_V. on 3/24/11


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Craig, again I give you Scripture and you give nothing but opinions. Did you even read Eph. 2:4,5? No, as usual.
Who was guiding the apostles and teaching them? Christ. Who is Christ? God. Why do you not read Scripture?
"Jesus told His apostles at the Last Supper that they knew the Holy Spirit, because He was already dwelling with them" John 20:22>
Also John 14:17,
"The Holy Spirit was (already) among them"
Now do you reject the words of Jesus this time? Or just reject them because I write them down for you, and because it is me, you reject the real Truth?
---Mark_V. on 3/24/11


Craig Part 2: you said:

"A man can come to faith in Jesus Christ without the Spirit indwelling him."
That's what I have been trying to tell you. John 4:17 teaches that He was dwelling among the disciples then. The context gives us the most important clue concerning the meaning of the phrase. Verse 39 states that the event would not happen until Jesus was glorified. In the gospel of John Jesus glorification refers to His earthly work. The passage suggest that the Holy Spirit had not manifested Himself in a way that could be spoken of as streams of living water flowing from the hearts of believers, and would not manifest Himself in this way until Christ had finished His earthly ministry.
---Mark_V. on 3/24/11


Mark, the 12 disciples didnt even have the Holy Spirit. Jesus breathed upon them after his resurrection and gave them the Holy Spirit. (John 20:22). Yet strangely enough Simon Peter believed beforehand (Matt 16:7).
Jesus didnt waste his time telling them of certain things they couldnt yet understand because they didnt have the Spirit yet! (John 16:12,13).

This is exactly what 1 Cor 2:14 is talking about.

A man can come to faith in Jesus Christ without the Spirit indwelling him. He cannot know (believe) the things freely given to Him by God while he is "in Christ" until he is born of that Spirit, which NOW (because Christ is ascended) happens immediately upon trusting in Jesus Christ. (Eph 1:13)
---CraigA on 3/24/11


Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost,

Man is open to temptation all the days of his life. How he responds to it determine his very end.
No seal against temptation, Jesus was tempted.
"Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?"
Matthew 26:41 "Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak."


Galatians 3:2 "This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"

"Received ye..."
The ye is never overshadowed or possessed by the Spirit, ye better "Watch and pray..."
---Nana on 3/24/11


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Craig, why do you not understand? You said,
"The Holy Spirit does not need to indwell men to lead them to Jesus."
Listen again:
The Holy Spirit has to bring you alive to Christ first" (Eph. 2:4,5 ). When you were dead in trespasses an sins, separated from God. God made you alive by drawing you to Himself. No more separation. He gave you faith and granted you repentance, so that "you can" believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, because while lost Jesus said, "No one can" come to Me unless the Father draws him"
Once in the light, you will believe in the Lord and commit your life to Christ. When you do, God indwells you with the Holy Spirit and seals you forever.
---Mark_V. on 3/24/11


Mark, its perfectly clear to me given Eph 1:13 as to WHEN we receive the Spirit - after we believe and trust in Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit does not need to indwell men to lead them to Jesus. His presence IN the believer is the token of the covenant made and proves that we have been adopted as sons. That doesnt happen until AFTER faith.
---CraigA on 3/23/11


\\James L, at least be honest on what I say. Paul was teaching what true love is. If they didn't have it, they had nothing at all. So please stop saying I said that. You did. Why are you not honest with your answers?\\
---Mark_V. on 3/23/11

Mark V,
I think someone needs to start over. Maybe you, maybe me. Because you really have me confused. I quoted you as saying nobody needs to be trained how to love, and your reference of 1Cor 13. But the reason Paul wrote that is because they were not displaying that love. Paul was training them in the passage you referenced.


\\So please stop saying I said that. You did.\\

You need to clarify. saying you said what? I did what?
---James_L on 3/23/11


James L, at least be honest on what I say. Paul was teaching what true love is. If they didn't have it, they had nothing at all. So please stop saying I said that. You did. Why are you not honest with your answers?
Are you Craig? he seems to be doing the same thing, making up things. The indwelling and sealing of the Holy Spirit comes after we believe by Faith. But we are born again of the Spirit first in order that we can believe by faith. That has to be granted by the Father. First born of the Spirit when the Father draws us to Him and makes us alive to Christ, baptized into one body, second, faith is given through the Word of God which saves us, third, we are indwell and sealed by the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 3/23/11


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Just the other day Mark also said a person believes and then received the Spirit. I guess he has changed his mind again. Funny how the "Truth" keeps changing.
---CraigA on 3/23/11


Nana,
Thank you. And you have provided OUTSTANDING scripture references.


Mark V,
What I found funny is that you said when someone is born of the Holy Spirit they don't have to be trained how to love.

Then you quoted the scripture where Paul is training the Corinthians how to love.

Your own scripture reference contradicted your doctrine.

I didn't miss anything in chapter 13. It is a teaching. Or a training lesson on love.

One thing I don't get. You say genuine believers inevitably have good works, never need training in love and always endure to the end.

Where do you find room for sin in a believer? If I needed no training in love, I would be the perfect disciple.
---James_L on 3/22/11


James_L,

Good observations indeed!
When I was younger I pondered verses like this:
Proverbs 9:9 "Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning."
I asked myself, 'A wise man being instructed and a just man taught?'


Rom.12:10
Rom 15:14
Gal.5:13
Heb.3:13
1Pet.1:22

Love and wisdom must at all times be steered like a ship.
---Nana on 3/22/11


James L, what is funny is that you even answered this question with the kind of answer you gave.
You first say, it's funny they were trained what love really is, then you say genuine believers were trained how to love. That is what's funny. I hope answering you this time doesn't drag out like the last blog. You are right in one thing, the Corinthians were miss using the gifts as Chapter 12 and 14 indicate. But I'm surprise you missed the love that is spoken of in Chapter 13. God (Christ) who is Love. And if you do not have Him, as Scripture indicates, you have nothing at all.
You could have faith, you could have hope, but without Christ, your faith and hope are useless. He is the greatest gift of all. The love of Christ in you.
---Mark_V. on 3/22/11


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\\A true love for Christ. That kind of love you don't train anyone. 1 Cor. 13 clearly shows the kind of love God was referring to.\\
---Mark_V. on 3/18/11

Funny thing 1Cor 13 was even written at all. Paul was writing to Teach (ie train) the Corinthians what love is supposed to look like. That's because they were not displaying it. Imagine that. Genuine believers having to be trained how to love, right there in the scripture you referenced. Funny indeed.
---James_L on 3/21/11


ROMANS 8:16 The spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of GOD.
---RICHARDC on 3/21/11


God did not forge Cain's heart. He only showed Cain how to use it: Genesis 4:7: "If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?
and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."
Luke 8:15: "But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it,
and bring forth fruit with patience."

What happens to those who refuse to learn?:
Titus 3:10-11:
"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject,
Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."

"... is such..", not "was made such".
---Nana on 3/19/11


Samuel, I agree with you. Unless someone dies right after conversion. Like the thief on the cross. And even then grace through faith in Christ has saved him.
Also, no one has to train anyone to know how to love. If someone is born of the Spirit, God will reveal true love in his heart. A true love for Christ. That kind of love you don't train anyone. 1 Cor. 13 clearly shows the kind of love God was referring to. It is not in anyway the same kind of love we show each other before coming to Christ. It's a Godly love.
---Mark_V. on 3/18/11


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"You cannot love someone and do nothing for them."
---Samuel on 3/18/11

That is very easy to do by ignorance, neglect, omission...
Why do you think we are instructed to admonish one another? (Romans 15:14 and others)

John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments." Even Love needs to be trained and taught, even restrained.
How to love: John 13:34 "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."
John 15:17 "These things I command you, that ye love one another." Even love is a commandment!~
---Nana on 3/18/11


I Cor 15:1-4 That's Paul's Gospel, and our Gospel and we must believe that for our salvation. This is primary, it supersedes anything else in Christendom. Of course other things follow in their rightful place. We are to grow in grace.and in knowledge of the Word. Absolutely we're to be witnesses, and this is why we're left here, otherwise, God, the moment we're saved, would take us out of here.
---michael_e on 3/18/11


The only ones who can show up with no good works are those who died right after choosing to follow JESUS.

Those who follow JESUS love GOD and love their fellow humans. You cannot love someone and do nothing for them.
---Samuel on 3/18/11


The way the Lord Jesus Christ supports, helps, counsels, teaches me things, disciplines me, protects me, defends me, provides/arranges things relates with me convinces me that HE saved me.
---Adetunji on 3/18/11


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James L, yes, at the Bema Seat of Christ the believer will be suffering loss of rewards, since he/she was not perfect and failed many times to hit the mark of God's ultimate standards. That is why I said, "all come short of the glory of God"
---Mark_V. on 3/18/11


James L, you are correct on this one. I do apologize, I made a mistake, and fell short of the glory of God, I will try my best to not drag the blogs together again with a name. I had just finished answering you and it was still in my mind and it had nothing whatsoever to do with "Tulip." I don't know where that came from. But you are right. I was trying to show my surprise at what you said. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 3/14/11


\\If he has done nothing good, I don't know what he is doing at the Bema Seat of Christ\\
---Mark_V. on 3/13/11

suffering loss, Mark. that's what he's doing.

But please don't drag the blogs together. It takes away from the space for this topic. I don't see how you believe you finished answering, because you never started answering. Only philosophy, rhetoric, and TULIPs
---James_L on 3/13/11


Donna5535, I understand what you are saying when you say "obsession" I just finished answering James L on another blog, and cannot understand how he can say that a genuine Christian can show up at the Bema Seat of Christ where genuine believers go, with no good works in his life. Imagine someone who loves the Lord with all His heart and all he wants to do is please God, not having any good works. If he has done nothing good, I don't know what he is doing at the Bema Seat of Christ, because our whole life is an obsession.
---Mark_V. on 3/13/11


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Donna:

God bless you... and your pure and honest faith!
---Lutherist on 3/12/11


How to know your saved? Through faith...
When HIS Spirit comes down upon you and your filled to overflowing. You will have such joy, peace and love and are given a new heart and changed mind. There will be no doubt.
---duane on 3/12/11


Mark V and Lutherist, excellent responses also. I just got back to this board today and saw these two responses...THANK YOU SOO VERY MUCH to all of your for helping enlightening me. I believe "you shall know them by their fruit" and the fruit of the Spirit is Love, Peace, Joy, Kindness, Patience, Self-control, and what else? There are 9, right? I live by this: I pray and I obey (the word). Thus I grow. As my unsaved boss said to me a year ago, "I don't understand your obsession with God." I laughed and said, "let's just hope God sees it that way too!" He is my Magnificant Obsession, this is an excellent song by JoAnn McFatter that EVERYONE should hear at least once or twice before they leave this earth.
---Donna5535 on 3/12/11


After answering an altar call I never doubted my salvation was secure. Still I knew I wanted to do more for the Lord. In fact I asked the Lord to use me to win souls to his kingdom. And while talking and praying before the Lord I told him I know I'm not the best or perfect, but you once used a donkey to speak surely you can use me. The very next time I went witnessing I sensed that the Holy Spirit was going before me. And for the first time I was resting and operating in his power. My power is useless except as it is pluged-in to the Holy Spirit's power
---mima on 3/11/11


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Donna5535, The test for authentic assurance is twofold. On the one hand, we must examine our own hearts to see if we have true faith in Christ. We must see whether or not we have any genuine love for the biblical Christ. For we know such love for Him would be impossible without regeneration.
Second, we must examine the fruit of our faith. We do not need perfect fruit to have assurance, but there must be some evidence of the fruit of obedience for our profession of faith to be credible. If no fruit is present, then no faith in present. Where saving faith is found, fruit of that faith is also found.
Finally, we seek our assurance from the Word of God through which the Holy Spirit bears witness to our spirit that we are His children.
---Mark_V. on 3/10/11


Donna:

You can be absolutly certain of your salvation when you finally consider all of your own efforts to measure up to Christ, as dung and filthy rags... When you get to the point when you place all of your faith and trust in Christ's perfect metit and holiness to cover you sin and shame and protect you from judgment.

THEN... you will know!
---Lutherist on 3/10/11


aka, EXCELLENT RESPONSE, I love it. Wow, what a powerful revelation there you have young man! I love it.
---Donna5535 on 3/9/11


when the Lord embraces you, and says, "well done good and faithful servant."
---aka on 3/8/11


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"The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God," (Romans 8:16)

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

Isaiah 55:11 guarantees that God's word will accomplish in us all that God means by His word. So, included in our assurance of true salvation is how God has us succeeding at doing all that He commands, including doing "all things without complaining and disputing," in Philippians 2:14)
---Bill_willa6989 on 3/7/11


Donna,

Romans 5:9 is speaking of the resurrection. So that kind of "saved", none of us is yet. Read 5:18 it says that (physical) death came to all through Adam, but (physical) life will come to all through Christ. This is for everyone who has ever lived, born again or not.

Matthew 10:22 is speaking of our inheritance. Read to the end of the chapter, Jesus is speaking of rewards. 2Tim 2:12 says "if we endure, we will reign with Him." This particular "saved" hasn't happened yet, either. Same as Romans 10-11

Context, Donna. "Saved" has a much wider application than simply escaping hell.

For that salvation, Romans 4:21-25. Faith only, I have that
---James_L on 3/7/11


When I cried out to the Lord, and my Almighty Jesus heard me, he came down to me and he looked down into my eyes and he touched me and he changed me, and I have never ever been the same again. He has quickedned me from the death, hell and the grave. He cared when none did, I looked and there was none help for me. Destitute broken and lay alone dying, and his Spirit told me to pray and so I poured out my heart and my soul to him, my eyes ran down with water, and he had unspeakable mercy to me. My God in whom surrender, and love completely. Thank you Jesus, you alone are my Lord and my God, and you alone are worthy of all my praise and all my worship and all my devotion, now and for ever always. A-men Jesus.
---Eloy on 3/7/11


When I cried out to the Lord, and my Almighty Jesus heard me, he came down to me and he looked down into my eyes and he touched me and he changed me, and I have never ever been the same again. He has quickened me from death, hell and the grave. He cared when none did, I looked and there was none help for me. Destitute broken and lay alone dying, and his Spirit told me to pray and so I poured out my heart and my soul to him, my eyes ran down with water, and he had unspeakable mercy to me. My God in whom surrender, and love completely. Thank you Jesus, you alone are my Lord and my God, and you alone are worthy of all my praise and all my worship and all my devotion, now and for ever always. A-men Jesus.
---Eloy on 3/7/11


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By saved, I mean, saved from the wrath of God.

Matthew 10:22 - And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Romans 5:9 - Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
---Donna5535 on 3/7/11


Matthew 7:21

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven."
---Philomena on 3/6/11


Your life is changed, your stony heart is replaced with his heart of flesh: your life is evidenced to be replaced with Christ's life. Your rotten or barren earthly fruits are gone, and have been replaced by good and manifold heavenly fruits.
---Eloy on 3/5/11


Acts 2 v's 37 - 40, & he - she
Matt.24 v 13.
---Lawrence on 3/6/11


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I know I'm saved because I have a true love for Christ Jesus my Savior.
---Bob on 3/6/11


1. Do you have a hunger for Gods' Word? If not I doubt there's any true salvation because it follows like daylight following dark, when we become a child of God we hunger for His word.
2. Do you enjoy being with God's people? If not, then there's something wrong.
3. Do you enjoy prayer time, and taking your needs to the Lord? If not, I doubt if there's any relationship there."
---michael_e on 3/6/11


You are saved by grace through faith.
---mona on 3/6/11


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